On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote: I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!
Who are you agreeing with?
I am guessing it is the guy who voted 1st on you lol.
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote: Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).
Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.
On March 24 2016 08:00 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 07:59 Superbia wrote: I encourage everyone to follow my voting pattern this game. Starting with my first vote.
Beetlejuice
That really is not much of a troll response though. It sure is a difference in tone, but not really a troll response (at least IMO). It like he was saying dumbass but in a way that remembers Tim Burton.
What strikes you (or others) heavily as trolly here?
Explain your mindset behind this post.
- Why do you feel a need to defend gumshoe? You have him as null.
- If not defending, why did you make this post? What's the point behind it?
It's soft defending I won't lie.
In that post. I was trying to understand what made you see a troll response. I agreed with you that there is a difference, but i didn't find it quote on quote trolly. I was trying to understand your view on it.
I also made it because you want to discuss things and last game i played in (Noir) Town had a shitty atmosphere.
Do you think it being trolly or not is alignment indicative for anyone in any way?
Yes it does. Especially in your case since you are directly comparing the serious tone from Gumshow to this new "trollish" post. Unless this was a rhetorical question. I am bad at those. Why aren't you answering this clearly btw?
I didn't care for the troll part reply really. I disliked his early try-hard post so I pushed on it to see where it went. Made up the "troll" mind-set mismatch as being alignment indicative (it really is not) to give more juice to the push.
- Like SL for joining. (Good townies need to start placing down votes earlier so we can get more information when gum flips or gets checked at some point.) Actually did not get that much info from it.
- It feels kind of hard to evaluate gum's response, feels like pressuring him further will do nothing. Also I start to lose momentum when I pressure people too much because it feels like I'm being an asshole. He starts off leaning mafia for me this game.
- Dislike your soft-defense on gum. You did see through the part that was bullshit so slightly 'yay' for that, but based on the reads list you gave me you shouldn't have been questioning me like that. Rather: you should have had me at null/leaning-mafia and be evaluating me based on the "wait, that's not really trolling" or whatever part you feel is alignment indicative (this is what you're saying you're doing). But you had me as pretty much your towniest person at that point (lean-town, but whatever, pretty much everyone else was lower) even though you seemed to have doubt on my push.
So what was your town-read on me about?
Weird that you would make up something like that IMO. Can slightly understand it thou. Let me answer your question.
My town lean on you came you actually pushing the game forward. You are discussing things and pushing them, and even if i find fault in your push, at least your pushing something. Your creating a good town atmosphere, and granted somethings are off like that troll line, your still actually trying to find information. And while i disagree with some points (like the troll one) i noticed the difference as well, and understood what felt off in the 1st post. But it didn't feel right, so in a attempt to flesh out my read on gumshow and i bit on yours, i asked about it.
Meh. I really wanted to call you mafia.
Any new thoughts so far?
Sky and disinfomation has 10/10 times, regardless of my actual alignment.
I kinda like Ls a bit more, seems to be moving things along. Rik. reminds me of a groundhog. Pops up, says something, sees his shadow, and goes back underground. Really do not understand the point of finding out if people are VT's or not.
Good evening. I'll post my thoughts on stuff that seems relevant to me in chunks and will ignore replies to it until I'm done, which might as well take until tomorrow depending on my motivation. But it helps me to stay focused, I plan to be a saint this game.
On March 24 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote: Confirmed Town + Show Spoiler +
Koshi wrote this up before even getting his pm would be my guess, since there is no other happy koshi or serious koshi stuff he is a scumlean until he starts getting his posting fits again.
On March 24 2016 07:25 Damdred wrote: Into the breech once more says I.
Who wants to be my right hand man/woman to bring town their first storm victory!
Koshi is a interesting person so far, Ritoky less so which is sad
The random car pic was more interesting in my opinion, mostly cause it left me wondering whereas Koshi gave me something alignment indicative already. What's your take if you spell it out?
On March 24 2016 07:53 gumshoe wrote: Maybe I've missed an evolution somewhere along the line but slam seems to be actually trying as opposed to just flaunting his usual semi troll trot. Which isn't a point I'm going to level against him cause wow that would just be bad, but is of note for better or worse. Damdred is of course fishing as one would expect of ether side, words like interesting are rather neutral. A call to arms is also fairly vague, clearly he has notions of how peeps react to something like that, or mabs he's willing to play it by ear. His post feels cautious and calculated few words as it may be. Which could be scummy depending on his meta ( never played with him ) seems intelligent regardless. Parabola sounds like he just doesn't wanna get anyone on his tail but still wants to appear to be a present and beloved member of town. Could be scums, could just be excited to play, maybe he's bieng light to try to attract heat for said lightness thereby kick starting stuff. Multiple personalities can be envisioned from the posts so far, but there is no real leaning towards good or evil. As one would expect a page in to a game.
TLDR As of yet, nothing worth acting on outside of concert with more proof. TLDR for TLDR stuff is stuff
I'm undecided on this post cause it strikes me as genuine for a guy who talks as much as gumshoe, but I dislike the fact that he seems to try so hard to just inflate the content by talking about everything even if he's undecided on it, or seems irrelevant, I'll put him at the scummy null side of things for now.
On March 24 2016 07:59 Superbia wrote: I encourage everyone to follow my voting pattern this game. Starting with my first vote.
Super cocky post, on top of it for gums post that deserves it. Town lean for the fact that super here really wants to be acknowledged and sees the gumshoe vote as something that he should get credit for, not really the sort of cockiness I expect from mafia. It's a given super is not the D1 lynch.
On March 24 2016 09:29 gumshoe wrote: Kurumi is mah top scum read atm. She joined mah wagon around when it was safe, and started prodding at an established weakness with hightened prejudice. Sounds kinda like a basket arrangment of lynch choices, makes me doubt my initial suspiciun of super.
If only if i was playing my old town playstyle Gumshow. I would be Pee-wee and you could be the cast from beetle juice Now it is this:
But yeah, i agree with you. She seems slightly tunneled on you for this early on in the game. Maybe she is trying to find info, but it is sus. here.
Might be scum motivations at play, let me look at it more closely either tonight or tomorrow morning.
On March 24 2016 08:31 LightningStrike wrote: Superbia don't you think it's a little early for a vote? Also I had decided to explore the TL Database and long a behold gumshoe is a vet O_o
mafia..
maybe..
50/50
After agreeing with super on gum for the slamtalk SL already strikes bridges to LS alignment in a way I find myself agreeing with. LS is being timid and for some reason thinks it's too early for voting and looks up something irrelevant on gumshoe.
Reminder: This isn't IML , no reason to think any vote could be too early.
Where's the explanation sicklucker?! I disagree that talking about Slam is an indicator of being scum (in this case) - the way gumshoe has talked about Slam is an indicator of being scum. Huge difference.
just voted for Kurumi, but yeah my primary problem is she is pursuing two reads that are fairly opposed without a hint of reservation regarding that conflict.
From a townie perspective those two reads would clash and be worthy of note in provided logic, but it hasnt even occured to Kurumi insofar. What seems more likely is she just doesnt want to draw atention to the Janus nature of her current logic, a setup that favours an outcome for scum wherein I and lick are both town. it feels like an opinion born of machinations rather then genuine perspective. Poisened at it's root with contradiction.
(ok now I'll go out.... ON A HIGH NOTE)
I opinion born of machinations rather then genuine perspective.
On March 24 2016 09:54 Superbia wrote: Town Slam Shapelog
Leaning town Sicklucker Lightningstrike Ritoky (slight)
Leaning mafia gumshoe
Something like that. Feel like I'm forgetting someone. Rest is null. Actually not 100% confident in my reads atm (90%) but might be because I'm tired.
Or you know, because your going after a guy who characterisically makes dumb posts day for making a dumb post day 1
-_-
also as for Kurumi how do you feel about her scum reading me and lick? How likely is it that we are scum together? If you made a similar accusation would you make note of that conflict?
On March 24 2016 08:18 Damdred wrote: Here's the thing super, I care about you but I don't care about what you have done up to that point.
Slam seems to care about something which I'm curious about.
Besides that gum can you expand more on your post maybe? You say a few words that seem to call me null but fail to inquire about me or really do anything but ramble a long time and do nothing. So wow me or the storm will be your resting point today.
And koshi won't complain in a palmar game lol.
Kinda leaning town for this post cause of the first sentence. It has a bit to do with association, but it's the fact that it's a pretty dickish thing to say to someone I think is town. It's a weak read however, Damdy is far from a firm spot in the readbook.
On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote: I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!
beetlejuice
On damdred, just went through most of his scum games, he never really goes looking for information this early on in said games / : in his town games he seems to actively hunt (when he manages to actually make it for day 1)
skimmed about 8 games to come to this conclusion (five scum 3 town)
Also theres a fair share of enthusiasm in his tone, something kinda hard to feign while actively fishing.
From the lens of what little I know about him now, he probs town.
The bolded is a bit suspicious to me cause it's like gummy is trying to tell us how much work he has done to reach his conclusion, which is something he would do to reach a favourable impression. There's also the possibility he wants to give it some sort of statistical reliability which is what he will claim when confronted with this but I believe it's not a townie thing to say, combined with his previous post.
On March 24 2016 08:23 LightningStrike wrote: I here I forgot this game had started.
On March 24 2016 07:53 gumshoe wrote: Maybe I've missed an evolution somewhere along the line but slam seems to be actually trying as opposed to just flaunting his usual semi troll trot. Which isn't a point I'm going to level against him cause wow that would just be bad, but is of note for better or worse. Damdred is of course fishing as one would expect of ether side, words like interesting are rather neutral. A call to arms is also fairly vague, clearly he has notions of how peeps react to something like that, or mabs he's willing to play it by ear. His post feels cautious and calculated few words as it may be. Which could be scummy depending on his meta ( never played with him ) seems intelligent regardless. Parabola sounds like he just doesn't wanna get anyone on his tail but still wants to appear to be a present and beloved member of town. Could be scums, could just be excited to play, maybe he's bieng light to try to attract heat for said lightness thereby kick starting stuff. Multiple personalities can be envisioned from the posts so far, but there is no real leaning towards good or evil. As one would expect a page in to a game.
TLDR As of yet, nothing worth acting on outside of concert with more proof. TLDR for TLDR stuff is stuff
I kinda dislike this post. He said Slam not acting liking like his normal semi troll trot yet said he never plays with him? Unless talking about pregame then how would he know how slam acts like?
LS said it was too early for a vote on gum before even reading his first post? Not cool.
On March 24 2016 09:54 Superbia wrote: Town Slam Shapelog
Leaning town Sicklucker Lightningstrike Ritoky (slight)
Leaning mafia gumshoe
Something like that. Feel like I'm forgetting someone. Rest is null. Actually not 100% confident in my reads atm (90%) but might be because I'm tired.
Or you know, because your going after a guy who characterisically makes dumb posts day for making a dumb post day 1
-_-
also as for Kurumi how do you feel about her scum reading me and lick? How likely is it that we are scum together? If you made a similar accusation would you make note of that conflict?
... I have said before that I am not actively pressuring you anymore because I feel like like nothing more will come from it. I have no idea why you're being so defensive. If you're town move past it.
I feel like you may have a point on kurumi if you're town, I will explore it when I've gotten some sleep.
On March 24 2016 08:31 LightningStrike wrote: Superbia don't you think it's a little early for a vote? Also I had decided to explore the TL Database and long a behold gumshoe is a vet O_o
mafia..
maybe..
50/50
After agreeing with super on gum for the slamtalk SL already strikes bridges to LS alignment in a way I find myself agreeing with. LS is being timid and for some reason thinks it's too early for voting and looks up something irrelevant on gumshoe.
Reminder: This isn't IML , no reason to think any vote could be too early.
Scumlean LS and townlean SL.
Don't like does not equal scum I was actually pressuring gun a tiny bit on it and was trying to get people to me about the post to see what other people thought outside of Superbia.
On March 24 2016 08:18 Damdred wrote: Here's the thing super, I care about you but I don't care about what you have done up to that point.
Slam seems to care about something which I'm curious about.
Besides that gum can you expand more on your post maybe? You say a few words that seem to call me null but fail to inquire about me or really do anything but ramble a long time and do nothing. So wow me or the storm will be your resting point today.
And koshi won't complain in a palmar game lol.
Kinda leaning town for this post cause of the first sentence. It has a bit to do with association, but it's the fact that it's a pretty dickish thing to say to someone I think is town. It's a weak read however, Damdy is far from a firm spot in the readbook.
On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote: I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!
beetlejuice
On damdred, just went through most of his scum games, he never really goes looking for information this early on in said games / : in his town games he seems to actively hunt (when he manages to actually make it for day 1)
skimmed about 8 games to come to this conclusion (five scum 3 town)
Also theres a fair share of enthusiasm in his tone, something kinda hard to feign while actively fishing.
From the lens of what little I know about him now, he probs town.
The bolded is a bit suspicious to me cause it's like gummy is trying to tell us how much work he has done to reach his conclusion, which is something he would do to reach a favourable impression. There's also the possibility he wants to give it some sort of statistical reliability which is what he will claim when confronted with this but I believe it's not a townie thing to say, combined with his previous post.
On March 24 2016 08:23 LightningStrike wrote: I here I forgot this game had started.
On March 24 2016 07:53 gumshoe wrote: Maybe I've missed an evolution somewhere along the line but slam seems to be actually trying as opposed to just flaunting his usual semi troll trot. Which isn't a point I'm going to level against him cause wow that would just be bad, but is of note for better or worse. Damdred is of course fishing as one would expect of ether side, words like interesting are rather neutral. A call to arms is also fairly vague, clearly he has notions of how peeps react to something like that, or mabs he's willing to play it by ear. His post feels cautious and calculated few words as it may be. Which could be scummy depending on his meta ( never played with him ) seems intelligent regardless. Parabola sounds like he just doesn't wanna get anyone on his tail but still wants to appear to be a present and beloved member of town. Could be scums, could just be excited to play, maybe he's bieng light to try to attract heat for said lightness thereby kick starting stuff. Multiple personalities can be envisioned from the posts so far, but there is no real leaning towards good or evil. As one would expect a page in to a game.
TLDR As of yet, nothing worth acting on outside of concert with more proof. TLDR for TLDR stuff is stuff
I kinda dislike this post. He said Slam not acting liking like his normal semi troll trot yet said he never plays with him? Unless talking about pregame then how would he know how slam acts like?
LS said it was too early for a vote on gum before even reading his first post? Not cool.
Wanting to lend credence to what one is saying is not scummy / : it is simply human. As for why I added that, in my first post about Damdred i mentioned I would need to lean on his meta to figure a read. So I did just that -_-
also I kinda knew that whatever I said you'd be after me this game / : hard to fault you for that but do try to keep personal vendettas at bay long enough to realize that I never put forth this much effort as scum. Period.
On March 24 2016 09:54 Superbia wrote: Town Slam Shapelog
Leaning town Sicklucker Lightningstrike Ritoky (slight)
Leaning mafia gumshoe
Something like that. Feel like I'm forgetting someone. Rest is null. Actually not 100% confident in my reads atm (90%) but might be because I'm tired.
Or you know, because your going after a guy who characterisically makes dumb posts day for making a dumb post day 1
-_-
also as for Kurumi how do you feel about her scum reading me and lick? How likely is it that we are scum together? If you made a similar accusation would you make note of that conflict?
... I have said before that I am not actively pressuring you anymore because I feel like like nothing more will come from it. I have no idea why you're being so defensive. If you're town move past it.
I feel like you may have a point on kurumi if you're town, I will explore it when I've gotten some sleep.
On March 24 2016 08:18 Damdred wrote: Here's the thing super, I care about you but I don't care about what you have done up to that point.
Slam seems to care about something which I'm curious about.
Besides that gum can you expand more on your post maybe? You say a few words that seem to call me null but fail to inquire about me or really do anything but ramble a long time and do nothing. So wow me or the storm will be your resting point today.
And koshi won't complain in a palmar game lol.
Kinda leaning town for this post cause of the first sentence. It has a bit to do with association, but it's the fact that it's a pretty dickish thing to say to someone I think is town. It's a weak read however, Damdy is far from a firm spot in the readbook.
On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote: I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!
beetlejuice
On damdred, just went through most of his scum games, he never really goes looking for information this early on in said games / : in his town games he seems to actively hunt (when he manages to actually make it for day 1)
skimmed about 8 games to come to this conclusion (five scum 3 town)
Also theres a fair share of enthusiasm in his tone, something kinda hard to feign while actively fishing.
From the lens of what little I know about him now, he probs town.
The bolded is a bit suspicious to me cause it's like gummy is trying to tell us how much work he has done to reach his conclusion, which is something he would do to reach a favourable impression. There's also the possibility he wants to give it some sort of statistical reliability which is what he will claim when confronted with this but I believe it's not a townie thing to say, combined with his previous post.
On March 24 2016 08:23 LightningStrike wrote: I here I forgot this game had started.
On March 24 2016 07:53 gumshoe wrote: Maybe I've missed an evolution somewhere along the line but slam seems to be actually trying as opposed to just flaunting his usual semi troll trot. Which isn't a point I'm going to level against him cause wow that would just be bad, but is of note for better or worse. Damdred is of course fishing as one would expect of ether side, words like interesting are rather neutral. A call to arms is also fairly vague, clearly he has notions of how peeps react to something like that, or mabs he's willing to play it by ear. His post feels cautious and calculated few words as it may be. Which could be scummy depending on his meta ( never played with him ) seems intelligent regardless. Parabola sounds like he just doesn't wanna get anyone on his tail but still wants to appear to be a present and beloved member of town. Could be scums, could just be excited to play, maybe he's bieng light to try to attract heat for said lightness thereby kick starting stuff. Multiple personalities can be envisioned from the posts so far, but there is no real leaning towards good or evil. As one would expect a page in to a game.
TLDR As of yet, nothing worth acting on outside of concert with more proof. TLDR for TLDR stuff is stuff
I kinda dislike this post. He said Slam not acting liking like his normal semi troll trot yet said he never plays with him? Unless talking about pregame then how would he know how slam acts like?
LS said it was too early for a vote on gum before even reading his first post? Not cool.
Vivax I did read gun's post hence why I replied to it. I assumed that he had played with Slam when he talked about him but then I thought he said he never played with him it just my bad reading comprehension kicking me in the ass -_-
I didn't see the "skimmed about 8 games" post until Vivax brought it up, but that's a hell of a lot of effort to put into a read two hours into the game. He could have spent no more than three minutes on each of those games, because his previous post was just 22 minutes earlier. If the claim is true, though (meaning some very short skims), then there's nothing scummy about it.
Also about gun and why I decided to check his background: He did a self meta on the fact he doesn't do that type of opening as scum and I thought he was a newbie with very little game hence why I checked it up on how many games he had played.
EPT
