TL Mafia LXXIV: Storm Mafia 3 - Page 105

On March 26 2016 06:08 Rels wrote:
Caught up.
I don't want to lynch rsoultin.She's kinda underwhelming but she was also there talking about reads for a long time.
Tube on the other hand is a good lynch I think, I liked JAT and Kurumi's posts about him. Gonna filter him after that post to see if that changes my mind or not.
Still want to lynch ritoky too. For all the old reasons + he didn't do anything since. Like, it's really different from the town!ritoky I remember from two past games: I want to be a millionaire and ... nutcracker I think ? The one before outlaw. In those games, ritoky was challenging the thread with questions, and in nutcracker guiding the lynch towards someone scummy BUT while at the same time keeping the people he could read alive even if they were scummy. Like it showed a will to solve the game which is not there in this game; he did the plan and that is it.

Who I thnk is town in random order: Vivax, OWS, Kurumi, SL, Slam, JAT, Shape, Koshi, Tumble.
Who I'm OK lyncihng: tube, ritoky, Stutters, VA.
People I didn't list or I forgot are either null or slight lean one way or the other.

On March 29 2016 00:27 Damdred wrote:
I built a case on Rels but before I submitted it I exit'd out and not sure if I believe it myself heres what I have and the thread can spit ball with me and see if I have anything worthwhile.

1) Rels is super different than normal, hes not involved in a lot of whats going on in the game. His activity is way down, his questioning and pressing people is a lot less than normal and hes not scum hunting almost at all.
2) His tone is way off, look at his eod post for d1. He was wrong he just says fuck and then fucks off it feels super contrived and fake to me. Usually rels when something like that is in the thread pressing people and coming up with reasonings and actually trying to proactivly help town but hes not doing that so much. Look at his post yesterday, he seems so upset that we lost a lynch bait player to him assuming a vig shot but shouldn't he be happy that we blocked both scum kp and almost gained a ml from it?
3) His questioning Ritoky really didn't lead anywhere, it seemed like it was his strongest read in the whole game the wagons were still super early when he came back he didn't press ritoky any more or even push his lynch. He decided to settle on what I consider for him to be a weaker read in tubesock he paints ritoky as his top scum read for most of his filter and focuses on him but quickly forgets it and goes with a easier wagon if you would.
4) His townreads on tumble is strange, and his townread on kurm is strange at the point as well. He barely has any active scum reads and doesn't seem to be hunting at all this game.

Its really strange and I think hes scum but maybe i'm making more out of it. Any ideas or things i'm wrong on is appreciated.

On March 29 2016 00:46 Vivax wrote:
So I'm trying to think if this rsoultin claim is legit, The one invents one receives part is really odd, and I have no idea how much role information scum got from Palmar, but I know that I'd feel really bad lynching a role that might do some good if actually town. So I'm back to the fence now that I'm not so worked up any more.

Then I remember the flavour of this game. Some guys are expedition, Kurumi is a soldier, there's an engineer... WTF is a commissar doing in the game? It's like you are in the middle of the desert like in the OP pic with soldiers, engineers and some starving dudes of an expedition and suddenly a police chief shows up "HELLO IM THE COMMISSAR WELCOME TO THE DESERT MAY I HELP YOU CALL 911" ? Nah, it's kinda an odd thing to think about but makes the sandro claim look fake lol.

On March 29 2016 01:03 Vivax wrote:
To answer Damdred:

When I read Rels there's some townie stuff actually. Sure he's inactive but I highly doubt that depends on his alignment as he can be a spammy and active mafia player. Reads more like he just does stuff on the run.



As for your points, I feel like I need to be advocatus diaboli as I dont feel its that strongly scum indicative:



1) I dont think activity is alignment indicative in his case.
2) Idk, could be something but not what I would scumread people for, too activity centered. Tone wise I dont read much into it.
3) He said he would be ok lynching tubesock, I don't see much wrong with being OK with multiple targets. In this game you can compromise with others or you can be a lonely vote, why should he be a lonely vote?
4) Why is it strange? Isn't it just unexplained?

On March 29 2016 00:27 Damdred wrote:
I built a case on Rels but before I submitted it I exit'd out and not sure if I believe it myself heres what I have and the thread can spit ball with me and see if I have anything worthwhile.

1) Rels is super different than normal, hes not involved in a lot of whats going on in the game. His activity is way down, his questioning and pressing people is a lot less than normal and hes not scum hunting almost at all.
2) His tone is way off, look at his eod post for d1. He was wrong he just says fuck and then fucks off it feels super contrived and fake to me. Usually rels when something like that is in the thread pressing people and coming up with reasonings and actually trying to proactivly help town but hes not doing that so much. Look at his post yesterday, he seems so upset that we lost a lynch bait player to him assuming a vig shot but shouldn't he be happy that we blocked both scum kp and almost gained a ml from it?
3) His questioning Ritoky really didn't lead anywhere, it seemed like it was his strongest read in the whole game the wagons were still super early when he came back he didn't press ritoky any more or even push his lynch. He decided to settle on what I consider for him to be a weaker read in tubesock he paints ritoky as his top scum read for most of his filter and focuses on him but quickly forgets it and goes with a easier wagon if you would.
4) His townreads on tumble is strange, and his townread on kurm is strange at the point as well. He barely has any active scum reads and doesn't seem to be hunting at all this game.

Its really strange and I think hes scum but maybe i'm making more out of it. Any ideas or things i'm wrong on is appreciated.

On March 25 2016 06:57 Rels wrote:

WOW
This is the kind of stuff that ONLY TOWNIES THINK ABOUT
Never lynching

On March 29 2016 01:12 Damdred wrote:


1) But it just is not activity either its how he is approaching the game not really looking for scum while he is here to an extent.
3) Once again his strongest scum read was Ritoky he talks about him then forgets it. Doesn't really talk much about tube before he just throws him in the list as well after the list he goes hard after tube when rit could of still been the lynch techincally.
4) It is strange because it is unexplained, he generally ahs more substantial reasoning.

On March 29 2016 01:06 Shapelog wrote:

Mission head quarters.
Commander: Alright a UFO has landed down on the this earth. the public will not be nofited of this, but the extraction must be swirf and quick. While there, we want you to gather evidence and try to unearth any and al---
Commissar: DA comrade! Tis plan does not have enough comminusiom in it! I suggest you let me lead a batch of the most firetested soldiers the Union has to offer!
Commander: You do realize that the USSR is no longer together right?
Commissar: Da, why do you think i am signing up for this mission?
Commander: Alright........... Anyways we also going to need engineers and scientist to analyze the craft. Mr. Tube will be in charge of forensics and Mr.Stutter will be chief engineer on this mission.
Mr Stutter: I can Try to understand the way the craft was bui-
Commissar: Are they each going to have weapons?
Commander:No.....
Commissar: Da, you must put me on this expatiation now comrade. Protection and all.
Commander: fuck you

So we are in the 1960s and the goverment is the USSR if Sand is actually a Commissar. Good to know.

On March 29 2016 01:30 Vivax wrote:


I chuckled but the situation is serious, why is one a soldier and the other one a russian officer or whatever a commissar is (in german its some sort of police chief).

On March 29 2016 01:29 Vivax wrote:


Well he seems concerned about the ritoky stuff, he doesn't forget him but joins the tube killing wagon after explaining why hes scumreading ritoky, doesnt seem like hes not being pragmatic for a d1.

He doesnt forget ritoky he just is ok killing someone else as well? Its just not true that ritoky could have been the lynch, Rels was one of the last to vote and he didnt want to kill rso but he was ok lynching tube so its only natural he will vote tube. Imo more likely to just not do anything if hes mafia unless rsoultin is mafia, which I dont know for sure.

4) unexplained is not strange imo, its just unexplained and its not like you need an explanation for everything, just like sandro didnt need one to kill stutters.

On March 28 2016 15:00 sicklucker wrote:
but if koshis like a third party that cant be killed by kp only lynched or needs to be hit with more then one kp to die. He would claim medic save because thats his only option.

So thats one way to explain the second medic theory

On March 28 2016 18:20 rsoultin wrote:


^ his next post

like seriously, what sorta town vig shoots, is actually around two minutes before flip, and decides to fuck off?

On March 28 2016 21:40 Superbia wrote:
I agree with JAT.

There are a number of specific reasons why I think Koshi is scum, and it mostly has to do with his reactions to certain things in the game. But it mostly boils down to: he's playing way differently than his VT game I remember.

I think the most glaring is this:
Town gets shot during d1 -> Koshi "flips out" and gets townreads from it.
PR gets lynched d1 -> Koshi doesn't care.
PR gets shot n1 -> Koshi doesn't care.
Koshi is seemingly the target of KP -> Koshi doesn't care AND doesn't think he should've been a medic save.

Town koshi would've been typing with caps lock enabled during point 2-4.

Also his scum list is absolutely garbage.

On March 29 2016 01:58 rsoultin wrote:
here but not...working lunch into oral portion of exit exam, but i'll be back well before the lynch

-squints at koshi- are you agreeing or disagreeing by making my point for me? lol ><

On March 29 2016 02:04 Koshi wrote:

As town you can just be here to see the day post and then leave. I also think it is strange to not comment but some people just want to see the flips. Those people can be town.

Don't think kurumi is mafia tbh. Too much words before he shot me.

On March 29 2016 01:33 Tictock wrote:
Just finished pg 98, not sure I like all of these responses from Rsoul, but they aren't terrible.

Heres the thing SL, her breadcrumbing looks legit. I definitly believe that she has the role she claims she does, the question is if Engi's would be opposing (of different alignments) or both town sided. Given the description of the role I'm inclined to believe that both Engi's would be town. Of course we only have Rsouls word about the nature of her role...

Besides her claim I'm not seeing much that really convinces me that Rsoul is town though.

Right now I'm thinking the lynch should be on one of Rsoul, Slam, or Kuru. Slam is kinda tempting simply because I fell like he's been getting some undeserved town reads that make no sense to me, plus the stuff I pointed out rgarding his shot.

On March 29 2016 01:42 Koshi wrote:
Wagon of justice coming for me?