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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 28 2016 15:57 GMT
#2081
I would like everyone to comment on it in some way honestly giving any critisim or anything of the like.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
March 28 2016 16:03 GMT
#2082
To answer Damdred:

When I read Rels there's some townie stuff actually. Sure he's inactive but I highly doubt that depends on his alignment as he can be a spammy and active mafia player. Reads more like he just does stuff on the run.

On March 26 2016 06:08 Rels wrote:
Caught up.
I don't want to lynch rsoultin.She's kinda underwhelming but she was also there talking about reads for a long time.
Tube on the other hand is a good lynch I think, I liked JAT and Kurumi's posts about him. Gonna filter him after that post to see if that changes my mind or not.
Still want to lynch ritoky too. For all the old reasons + he didn't do anything since. Like, it's really different from the town!ritoky I remember from two past games: I want to be a millionaire and ... nutcracker I think ? The one before outlaw. In those games, ritoky was challenging the thread with questions, and in nutcracker guiding the lynch towards someone scummy BUT while at the same time keeping the people he could read alive even if they were scummy. Like it showed a will to solve the game which is not there in this game; he did the plan and that is it.

Who I thnk is town in random order: Vivax, OWS, Kurumi, SL, Slam, JAT, Shape, Koshi, Tumble.
Who I'm OK lyncihng: tube, ritoky, Stutters, VA.
People I didn't list or I forgot are either null or slight lean one way or the other.



As for your points, I feel like I need to be advocatus diaboli as I dont feel its that strongly scum indicative:

On March 29 2016 00:27 Damdred wrote:
I built a case on Rels but before I submitted it I exit'd out and not sure if I believe it myself heres what I have and the thread can spit ball with me and see if I have anything worthwhile.

1) Rels is super different than normal, hes not involved in a lot of whats going on in the game. His activity is way down, his questioning and pressing people is a lot less than normal and hes not scum hunting almost at all.
2) His tone is way off, look at his eod post for d1. He was wrong he just says fuck and then fucks off it feels super contrived and fake to me. Usually rels when something like that is in the thread pressing people and coming up with reasonings and actually trying to proactivly help town but hes not doing that so much. Look at his post yesterday, he seems so upset that we lost a lynch bait player to him assuming a vig shot but shouldn't he be happy that we blocked both scum kp and almost gained a ml from it?
3) His questioning Ritoky really didn't lead anywhere, it seemed like it was his strongest read in the whole game the wagons were still super early when he came back he didn't press ritoky any more or even push his lynch. He decided to settle on what I consider for him to be a weaker read in tubesock he paints ritoky as his top scum read for most of his filter and focuses on him but quickly forgets it and goes with a easier wagon if you would.
4) His townreads on tumble is strange, and his townread on kurm is strange at the point as well. He barely has any active scum reads and doesn't seem to be hunting at all this game.

Its really strange and I think hes scum but maybe i'm making more out of it. Any ideas or things i'm wrong on is appreciated.


1) I dont think activity is alignment indicative in his case.
2) Idk, could be something but not what I would scumread people for, too activity centered. Tone wise I dont read much into it.
3) He said he would be ok lynching tubesock, I don't see much wrong with being OK with multiple targets. In this game you can compromise with others or you can be a lonely vote, why should he be a lonely vote?
4) Why is it strange? Isn't it just unexplained?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
March 28 2016 16:04 GMT
#2083
So I just realized I was suspicious of him cause he was different, just like KOshi and shape but I can't really see the scum stuff in his stuff.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
March 28 2016 16:06 GMT
#2084
On March 29 2016 00:46 Vivax wrote:
So I'm trying to think if this rsoultin claim is legit, The one invents one receives part is really odd, and I have no idea how much role information scum got from Palmar, but I know that I'd feel really bad lynching a role that might do some good if actually town. So I'm back to the fence now that I'm not so worked up any more.

Then I remember the flavour of this game. Some guys are expedition, Kurumi is a soldier, there's an engineer... WTF is a commissar doing in the game? It's like you are in the middle of the desert like in the OP pic with soldiers, engineers and some starving dudes of an expedition and suddenly a police chief shows up "HELLO IM THE COMMISSAR WELCOME TO THE DESERT MAY I HELP YOU CALL 911" ? Nah, it's kinda an odd thing to think about but makes the sandro claim look fake lol.

Mission head quarters.
Commander: Alright a UFO has landed down on the this earth. the public will not be nofited of this, but the extraction must be swirf and quick. While there, we want you to gather evidence and try to unearth any and al---
Commissar: DA comrade! Tis plan does not have enough comminusiom in it! I suggest you let me lead a batch of the most firetested soldiers the Union has to offer!
Commander: You do realize that the USSR is no longer together right?
Commissar: Da, why do you think i am signing up for this mission?
Commander: Alright........... Anyways we also going to need engineers and scientist to analyze the craft. Mr. Tube will be in charge of forensics and Mr.Stutter will be chief engineer on this mission.
Mr Stutter: I can Try to understand the way the craft was bui-
Commissar: Are they each going to have weapons?
Commander:No.....
Commissar: Da, you must put me on this expatiation now comrade. Protection and all.
Commander: fuck you

So we are in the 1960s and the goverment is the USSR if Sand is actually a Commissar. Good to know.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 28 2016 16:12 GMT
#2085
On March 29 2016 01:03 Vivax wrote:
To answer Damdred:

When I read Rels there's some townie stuff actually. Sure he's inactive but I highly doubt that depends on his alignment as he can be a spammy and active mafia player. Reads more like he just does stuff on the run.

Show nested quote +
On March 26 2016 06:08 Rels wrote:
Caught up.
I don't want to lynch rsoultin.She's kinda underwhelming but she was also there talking about reads for a long time.
Tube on the other hand is a good lynch I think, I liked JAT and Kurumi's posts about him. Gonna filter him after that post to see if that changes my mind or not.
Still want to lynch ritoky too. For all the old reasons + he didn't do anything since. Like, it's really different from the town!ritoky I remember from two past games: I want to be a millionaire and ... nutcracker I think ? The one before outlaw. In those games, ritoky was challenging the thread with questions, and in nutcracker guiding the lynch towards someone scummy BUT while at the same time keeping the people he could read alive even if they were scummy. Like it showed a will to solve the game which is not there in this game; he did the plan and that is it.

Who I thnk is town in random order: Vivax, OWS, Kurumi, SL, Slam, JAT, Shape, Koshi, Tumble.
Who I'm OK lyncihng: tube, ritoky, Stutters, VA.
People I didn't list or I forgot are either null or slight lean one way or the other.



As for your points, I feel like I need to be advocatus diaboli as I dont feel its that strongly scum indicative:

Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 00:27 Damdred wrote:
I built a case on Rels but before I submitted it I exit'd out and not sure if I believe it myself heres what I have and the thread can spit ball with me and see if I have anything worthwhile.

1) Rels is super different than normal, hes not involved in a lot of whats going on in the game. His activity is way down, his questioning and pressing people is a lot less than normal and hes not scum hunting almost at all.
2) His tone is way off, look at his eod post for d1. He was wrong he just says fuck and then fucks off it feels super contrived and fake to me. Usually rels when something like that is in the thread pressing people and coming up with reasonings and actually trying to proactivly help town but hes not doing that so much. Look at his post yesterday, he seems so upset that we lost a lynch bait player to him assuming a vig shot but shouldn't he be happy that we blocked both scum kp and almost gained a ml from it?
3) His questioning Ritoky really didn't lead anywhere, it seemed like it was his strongest read in the whole game the wagons were still super early when he came back he didn't press ritoky any more or even push his lynch. He decided to settle on what I consider for him to be a weaker read in tubesock he paints ritoky as his top scum read for most of his filter and focuses on him but quickly forgets it and goes with a easier wagon if you would.
4) His townreads on tumble is strange, and his townread on kurm is strange at the point as well. He barely has any active scum reads and doesn't seem to be hunting at all this game.

Its really strange and I think hes scum but maybe i'm making more out of it. Any ideas or things i'm wrong on is appreciated.


1) I dont think activity is alignment indicative in his case.
2) Idk, could be something but not what I would scumread people for, too activity centered. Tone wise I dont read much into it.
3) He said he would be ok lynching tubesock, I don't see much wrong with being OK with multiple targets. In this game you can compromise with others or you can be a lonely vote, why should he be a lonely vote?
4) Why is it strange? Isn't it just unexplained?


1) But it just is not activity either its how he is approaching the game not really looking for scum while he is here to an extent.
3) Once again his strongest scum read was Ritoky he talks about him then forgets it. Doesn't really talk much about tube before he just throws him in the list as well after the list he goes hard after tube when rit could of still been the lynch techincally.
4) It is strange because it is unexplained, he generally ahs more substantial reasoning.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
March 28 2016 16:25 GMT
#2086
On March 29 2016 00:27 Damdred wrote:
I built a case on Rels but before I submitted it I exit'd out and not sure if I believe it myself heres what I have and the thread can spit ball with me and see if I have anything worthwhile.

1) Rels is super different than normal, hes not involved in a lot of whats going on in the game. His activity is way down, his questioning and pressing people is a lot less than normal and hes not scum hunting almost at all.
2) His tone is way off, look at his eod post for d1. He was wrong he just says fuck and then fucks off it feels super contrived and fake to me. Usually rels when something like that is in the thread pressing people and coming up with reasonings and actually trying to proactivly help town but hes not doing that so much. Look at his post yesterday, he seems so upset that we lost a lynch bait player to him assuming a vig shot but shouldn't he be happy that we blocked both scum kp and almost gained a ml from it?
3) His questioning Ritoky really didn't lead anywhere, it seemed like it was his strongest read in the whole game the wagons were still super early when he came back he didn't press ritoky any more or even push his lynch. He decided to settle on what I consider for him to be a weaker read in tubesock he paints ritoky as his top scum read for most of his filter and focuses on him but quickly forgets it and goes with a easier wagon if you would.
4) His townreads on tumble is strange, and his townread on kurm is strange at the point as well. He barely has any active scum reads and doesn't seem to be hunting at all this game.

Its really strange and I think hes scum but maybe i'm making more out of it. Any ideas or things i'm wrong on is appreciated.

1) I played 3 games with a TownRels. His activity was lacking (though idk how easter was on him, shouldn't really matter though i guess) this game. HIs scum hunting is down too.
2) He kinda did that (bold) with tubesock, but it could of just been him looking good for a lynch. Agree
3)+4) i agree with it.

Other points that idk if it is revelavent or not:
His tone on some of his D1 posts (before going after Tube) was lax and humorous.
This post feels off, really off...
On March 25 2016 06:57 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2016 06:13 Kurumi wrote:
On March 24 2016 23:42 Superbia wrote:
What's the average mafia count in a 21 player game? Assuming there is 3rd party and stuff too (I'm assuming there is).


The formula is usually Players/5 rounded down, so that'd be 4 Mafia this game, was there a third party in either of Storm Mafias?


On March 25 2016 00:02 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 24 2016 23:00 Kurumi wrote:
Back to Slam. If he were Mafia and that was a Mafia shot, all I'd see now should be "LYNCH KURUMI" and it is not the case. So it means the shot was not used as a means to incriminate me or cast doubt, or leverage it in any way. While I was not the only one voting gumshoe, I was the person pushing the hardest since the very first post of mine. Is there a chance that Slam was bluffing/trolling/whatever and Mafia decided to use that to kill Shoe and let the responsibility for the kill just land on Slam? There's no one on Slam either, yet... So it seems that this kill went through without any group agenda, leading me to believe that it was Town KP, be it Slam or anyone else. It just lacks follow-up, both ways (against me and against Slam) have not been taken by anyone. I think Slam is town.

I don't understand this paragraph at all. Why does mafia need to follow up on this? The logical/natural thing for them to do if slam is in fact mafia is to wait and see how well it goes/if he gets away with it before acting.


Well, I think that they'd use the momentum created by the shot to some end. I have not seen that in the thread, people are not really reading Slam as scum, people are not super focused on people who were pushing gumshoe, I think if Mafia shot gum, they'd want the discussion to be on those points, not any others like we have right now. That's just the world I am in.

On March 25 2016 01:24 Tubesock wrote:
Good morning.

Kurumi is my biggest scum read. Seems opportunistic with the Gumdrops push. Damdred was fishing (but not for roles) and it didn't seem Gums was saying Damdred was fishing for that, but Kurumi jumps his ass. Meanwhile Ritoky ACTUALLY fishes for roles yet all Kurumi says is "very vary of Ritoky". The rest of Kurumi's posts seem nitpicky.

Tumble and Shape are forgettable and blending.

I'm going to leave Koshi at null. I'm not liking his "play" but I did like his little outburst of emotion. Although, I find it hard to believe that can't be faked.

As far as town I think my strongest TR's are Superbia, Vivax just below Jat and Rels. Damdred with a town lean.

Ritoky probably is in fact VT.

Slam I think is probably town. I am having trouble seeing the point of breadcrumbing so much if he were mafia. Why not just shut up and blow someone up? I do want to hear his explanation.


Read my posts again(not skim!) so you can have a good town read on me, because my filter defends itself without any problems. Just because I have not coloured every of my reads or made a list of them doesn't mean they are not there.

Gumshoe's filter wasn't really that exciting besides him sharing my suspicions on both Koshi and sicklucker, he did not have time to bring anything new to the table sadly. His last couple of posts was finally something I expected out of him. He also looked like agreeing with me more and more. On the topic of sicklucker:
What was good in my post you quoted?
What are your scumreads and why?
I don't like that you just quoted my entire post and said it was good while not really pushing anyone or anything in the thread.

I am also let down by Alakaslam, he could've said that we have a way to kill two D1, basically a double lynch and we could just make him shoot the second person in line... Why the bloodlust Slam, why?! It's so anti-town the only reason I think you are Town is that noone is trying to capitalize on it...

For the last 20 minutes I've been looking for a post suggesting that scum's KP is up for them to decide whether to use it day or night, it felt like hardcore slip, but then I might've dreamt it...

WOW
This is the kind of stuff that ONLY TOWNIES THINK ABOUT
Never lynching


Idk I was kinda waiting on Rels but i am getting tried of waiting. Annoying how many people are hard lurking this game.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
March 28 2016 16:29 GMT
#2087
On March 29 2016 01:12 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 01:03 Vivax wrote:
To answer Damdred:

When I read Rels there's some townie stuff actually. Sure he's inactive but I highly doubt that depends on his alignment as he can be a spammy and active mafia player. Reads more like he just does stuff on the run.

On March 26 2016 06:08 Rels wrote:
Caught up.
I don't want to lynch rsoultin.She's kinda underwhelming but she was also there talking about reads for a long time.
Tube on the other hand is a good lynch I think, I liked JAT and Kurumi's posts about him. Gonna filter him after that post to see if that changes my mind or not.
Still want to lynch ritoky too. For all the old reasons + he didn't do anything since. Like, it's really different from the town!ritoky I remember from two past games: I want to be a millionaire and ... nutcracker I think ? The one before outlaw. In those games, ritoky was challenging the thread with questions, and in nutcracker guiding the lynch towards someone scummy BUT while at the same time keeping the people he could read alive even if they were scummy. Like it showed a will to solve the game which is not there in this game; he did the plan and that is it.

Who I thnk is town in random order: Vivax, OWS, Kurumi, SL, Slam, JAT, Shape, Koshi, Tumble.
Who I'm OK lyncihng: tube, ritoky, Stutters, VA.
People I didn't list or I forgot are either null or slight lean one way or the other.



As for your points, I feel like I need to be advocatus diaboli as I dont feel its that strongly scum indicative:

On March 29 2016 00:27 Damdred wrote:
I built a case on Rels but before I submitted it I exit'd out and not sure if I believe it myself heres what I have and the thread can spit ball with me and see if I have anything worthwhile.

1) Rels is super different than normal, hes not involved in a lot of whats going on in the game. His activity is way down, his questioning and pressing people is a lot less than normal and hes not scum hunting almost at all.
2) His tone is way off, look at his eod post for d1. He was wrong he just says fuck and then fucks off it feels super contrived and fake to me. Usually rels when something like that is in the thread pressing people and coming up with reasonings and actually trying to proactivly help town but hes not doing that so much. Look at his post yesterday, he seems so upset that we lost a lynch bait player to him assuming a vig shot but shouldn't he be happy that we blocked both scum kp and almost gained a ml from it?
3) His questioning Ritoky really didn't lead anywhere, it seemed like it was his strongest read in the whole game the wagons were still super early when he came back he didn't press ritoky any more or even push his lynch. He decided to settle on what I consider for him to be a weaker read in tubesock he paints ritoky as his top scum read for most of his filter and focuses on him but quickly forgets it and goes with a easier wagon if you would.
4) His townreads on tumble is strange, and his townread on kurm is strange at the point as well. He barely has any active scum reads and doesn't seem to be hunting at all this game.

Its really strange and I think hes scum but maybe i'm making more out of it. Any ideas or things i'm wrong on is appreciated.


1) I dont think activity is alignment indicative in his case.
2) Idk, could be something but not what I would scumread people for, too activity centered. Tone wise I dont read much into it.
3) He said he would be ok lynching tubesock, I don't see much wrong with being OK with multiple targets. In this game you can compromise with others or you can be a lonely vote, why should he be a lonely vote?
4) Why is it strange? Isn't it just unexplained?


1) But it just is not activity either its how he is approaching the game not really looking for scum while he is here to an extent.
3) Once again his strongest scum read was Ritoky he talks about him then forgets it. Doesn't really talk much about tube before he just throws him in the list as well after the list he goes hard after tube when rit could of still been the lynch techincally.
4) It is strange because it is unexplained, he generally ahs more substantial reasoning.


Well he seems concerned about the ritoky stuff, he doesn't forget him but joins the tube killing wagon after explaining why hes scumreading ritoky, doesnt seem like hes not being pragmatic for a d1.

He doesnt forget ritoky he just is ok killing someone else as well? Its just not true that ritoky could have been the lynch, Rels was one of the last to vote and he didnt want to kill rso but he was ok lynching tube so its only natural he will vote tube. Imo more likely to just not do anything if hes mafia unless rsoultin is mafia, which I dont know for sure.

4) unexplained is not strange imo, its just unexplained and its not like you need an explanation for everything, just like sandro didnt need one to kill stutters.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
March 28 2016 16:30 GMT
#2088
On March 29 2016 01:06 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 00:46 Vivax wrote:
So I'm trying to think if this rsoultin claim is legit, The one invents one receives part is really odd, and I have no idea how much role information scum got from Palmar, but I know that I'd feel really bad lynching a role that might do some good if actually town. So I'm back to the fence now that I'm not so worked up any more.

Then I remember the flavour of this game. Some guys are expedition, Kurumi is a soldier, there's an engineer... WTF is a commissar doing in the game? It's like you are in the middle of the desert like in the OP pic with soldiers, engineers and some starving dudes of an expedition and suddenly a police chief shows up "HELLO IM THE COMMISSAR WELCOME TO THE DESERT MAY I HELP YOU CALL 911" ? Nah, it's kinda an odd thing to think about but makes the sandro claim look fake lol.

Mission head quarters.
Commander: Alright a UFO has landed down on the this earth. the public will not be nofited of this, but the extraction must be swirf and quick. While there, we want you to gather evidence and try to unearth any and al---
Commissar: DA comrade! Tis plan does not have enough comminusiom in it! I suggest you let me lead a batch of the most firetested soldiers the Union has to offer!
Commander: You do realize that the USSR is no longer together right?
Commissar: Da, why do you think i am signing up for this mission?
Commander: Alright........... Anyways we also going to need engineers and scientist to analyze the craft. Mr. Tube will be in charge of forensics and Mr.Stutter will be chief engineer on this mission.
Mr Stutter: I can Try to understand the way the craft was bui-
Commissar: Are they each going to have weapons?
Commander:No.....
Commissar: Da, you must put me on this expatiation now comrade. Protection and all.
Commander: fuck you

So we are in the 1960s and the goverment is the USSR if Sand is actually a Commissar. Good to know.


I chuckled but the situation is serious, why is one a soldier and the other one a russian officer or whatever a commissar is (in german its some sort of police chief).
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
March 28 2016 16:33 GMT
#2089
Just finished pg 98, not sure I like all of these responses from Rsoul, but they aren't terrible.

Heres the thing SL, her breadcrumbing looks legit. I definitly believe that she has the role she claims she does, the question is if Engi's would be opposing (of different alignments) or both town sided. Given the description of the role I'm inclined to believe that both Engi's would be town. Of course we only have Rsouls word about the nature of her role...

Besides her claim I'm not seeing much that really convinces me that Rsoul is town though.

Right now I'm thinking the lynch should be on one of Rsoul, Slam, or Kuru. Slam is kinda tempting simply because I fell like he's been getting some undeserved town reads that make no sense to me, plus the stuff I pointed out rgarding his shot.
I can take that responsibility.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
March 28 2016 16:34 GMT
#2090
On March 29 2016 01:30 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 01:06 Shapelog wrote:
On March 29 2016 00:46 Vivax wrote:
So I'm trying to think if this rsoultin claim is legit, The one invents one receives part is really odd, and I have no idea how much role information scum got from Palmar, but I know that I'd feel really bad lynching a role that might do some good if actually town. So I'm back to the fence now that I'm not so worked up any more.

Then I remember the flavour of this game. Some guys are expedition, Kurumi is a soldier, there's an engineer... WTF is a commissar doing in the game? It's like you are in the middle of the desert like in the OP pic with soldiers, engineers and some starving dudes of an expedition and suddenly a police chief shows up "HELLO IM THE COMMISSAR WELCOME TO THE DESERT MAY I HELP YOU CALL 911" ? Nah, it's kinda an odd thing to think about but makes the sandro claim look fake lol.

Mission head quarters.
Commander: Alright a UFO has landed down on the this earth. the public will not be nofited of this, but the extraction must be swirf and quick. While there, we want you to gather evidence and try to unearth any and al---
Commissar: DA comrade! Tis plan does not have enough comminusiom in it! I suggest you let me lead a batch of the most firetested soldiers the Union has to offer!
Commander: You do realize that the USSR is no longer together right?
Commissar: Da, why do you think i am signing up for this mission?
Commander: Alright........... Anyways we also going to need engineers and scientist to analyze the craft. Mr. Tube will be in charge of forensics and Mr.Stutter will be chief engineer on this mission.
Mr Stutter: I can Try to understand the way the craft was bui-
Commissar: Are they each going to have weapons?
Commander:No.....
Commissar: Da, you must put me on this expatiation now comrade. Protection and all.
Commander: fuck you

So we are in the 1960s and the goverment is the USSR if Sand is actually a Commissar. Good to know.


I chuckled but the situation is serious, why is one a soldier and the other one a russian officer or whatever a commissar is (in german its some sort of police chief).

Actually it is not really to inarticulate.
A USSR commissar was, according to webster, "a Communist party official assigned to a military unit to teach party principles and policies and to ensure party loyalty" His role involves a ML to shoot so it makes some sense in a weird way...
Idk about one being a soldier and one being a commissar though, unless we sent a unit to the UFO craft.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 28 2016 16:36 GMT
#2091
On March 29 2016 01:29 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 01:12 Damdred wrote:
On March 29 2016 01:03 Vivax wrote:
To answer Damdred:

When I read Rels there's some townie stuff actually. Sure he's inactive but I highly doubt that depends on his alignment as he can be a spammy and active mafia player. Reads more like he just does stuff on the run.

On March 26 2016 06:08 Rels wrote:
Caught up.
I don't want to lynch rsoultin.She's kinda underwhelming but she was also there talking about reads for a long time.
Tube on the other hand is a good lynch I think, I liked JAT and Kurumi's posts about him. Gonna filter him after that post to see if that changes my mind or not.
Still want to lynch ritoky too. For all the old reasons + he didn't do anything since. Like, it's really different from the town!ritoky I remember from two past games: I want to be a millionaire and ... nutcracker I think ? The one before outlaw. In those games, ritoky was challenging the thread with questions, and in nutcracker guiding the lynch towards someone scummy BUT while at the same time keeping the people he could read alive even if they were scummy. Like it showed a will to solve the game which is not there in this game; he did the plan and that is it.

Who I thnk is town in random order: Vivax, OWS, Kurumi, SL, Slam, JAT, Shape, Koshi, Tumble.
Who I'm OK lyncihng: tube, ritoky, Stutters, VA.
People I didn't list or I forgot are either null or slight lean one way or the other.



As for your points, I feel like I need to be advocatus diaboli as I dont feel its that strongly scum indicative:

On March 29 2016 00:27 Damdred wrote:
I built a case on Rels but before I submitted it I exit'd out and not sure if I believe it myself heres what I have and the thread can spit ball with me and see if I have anything worthwhile.

1) Rels is super different than normal, hes not involved in a lot of whats going on in the game. His activity is way down, his questioning and pressing people is a lot less than normal and hes not scum hunting almost at all.
2) His tone is way off, look at his eod post for d1. He was wrong he just says fuck and then fucks off it feels super contrived and fake to me. Usually rels when something like that is in the thread pressing people and coming up with reasonings and actually trying to proactivly help town but hes not doing that so much. Look at his post yesterday, he seems so upset that we lost a lynch bait player to him assuming a vig shot but shouldn't he be happy that we blocked both scum kp and almost gained a ml from it?
3) His questioning Ritoky really didn't lead anywhere, it seemed like it was his strongest read in the whole game the wagons were still super early when he came back he didn't press ritoky any more or even push his lynch. He decided to settle on what I consider for him to be a weaker read in tubesock he paints ritoky as his top scum read for most of his filter and focuses on him but quickly forgets it and goes with a easier wagon if you would.
4) His townreads on tumble is strange, and his townread on kurm is strange at the point as well. He barely has any active scum reads and doesn't seem to be hunting at all this game.

Its really strange and I think hes scum but maybe i'm making more out of it. Any ideas or things i'm wrong on is appreciated.


1) I dont think activity is alignment indicative in his case.
2) Idk, could be something but not what I would scumread people for, too activity centered. Tone wise I dont read much into it.
3) He said he would be ok lynching tubesock, I don't see much wrong with being OK with multiple targets. In this game you can compromise with others or you can be a lonely vote, why should he be a lonely vote?
4) Why is it strange? Isn't it just unexplained?


1) But it just is not activity either its how he is approaching the game not really looking for scum while he is here to an extent.
3) Once again his strongest scum read was Ritoky he talks about him then forgets it. Doesn't really talk much about tube before he just throws him in the list as well after the list he goes hard after tube when rit could of still been the lynch techincally.
4) It is strange because it is unexplained, he generally ahs more substantial reasoning.


Well he seems concerned about the ritoky stuff, he doesn't forget him but joins the tube killing wagon after explaining why hes scumreading ritoky, doesnt seem like hes not being pragmatic for a d1.

He doesnt forget ritoky he just is ok killing someone else as well? Its just not true that ritoky could have been the lynch, Rels was one of the last to vote and he didnt want to kill rso but he was ok lynching tube so its only natural he will vote tube. Imo more likely to just not do anything if hes mafia unless rsoultin is mafia, which I dont know for sure.

4) unexplained is not strange imo, its just unexplained and its not like you need an explanation for everything, just like sandro didnt need one to kill stutters.


Totally didn't mention him again at any point besides that, 0 follow up past that. I forgot then his vote thats on me I thought it was much earlier than it was. And his only scum read since eod is Damdred

4) We knew why he had to kill stutters, becasue he was a total coinflip and needed to be removed from the game. Rels townreads... not so much especially when one is lynchable now.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 28 2016 16:42 GMT
#2092
Wagon of justice coming for me? I'll update my reads. 300 posts behind. I can't promise it won't be really close to deadline.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 28 2016 16:45 GMT
#2093
On March 28 2016 15:00 sicklucker wrote:
but if koshis like a third party that cant be killed by kp only lynched or needs to be hit with more then one kp to die. He would claim medic save because thats his only option.

So thats one way to explain the second medic theory

Pretty sure I have never claimed medic save.
I am also not 3rd party. But I guess that is where your mind goes when you know I am not mafia and I am not playing my town meta :D
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 28 2016 16:53 GMT
#2094
On March 28 2016 18:20 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2016 20:26 Kurumi wrote:
I shot Koshi and he is still alive, any takers? Sorry I have not posted since the last post, I had to get it posted and then rush to another place, since family time!


^ his next post

like seriously, what sorta town vig shoots, is actually around two minutes before flip, and decides to fuck off?

why not? makes sense for town to see what happens during night. Quite exciting.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 28 2016 16:57 GMT
#2095
On March 28 2016 21:40 Superbia wrote:
I agree with JAT.

There are a number of specific reasons why I think Koshi is scum, and it mostly has to do with his reactions to certain things in the game. But it mostly boils down to: he's playing way differently than his VT game I remember.

I think the most glaring is this:
Town gets shot during d1 -> Koshi "flips out" and gets townreads from it.
PR gets lynched d1 -> Koshi doesn't care.
PR gets shot n1 -> Koshi doesn't care.
Koshi is seemingly the target of KP -> Koshi doesn't care AND doesn't think he should've been a medic save.

Town koshi would've been typing with caps lock enabled during point 2-4.

Also his scum list is absolutely garbage.

Yeah I regret freaking out when I thought ritoky shot. I don't know why it happened.
I had a good night of sleep.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2016 16:58 GMT
#2096
here but not...working lunch into oral portion of exit exam, but i'll be back well before the lynch

-squints at koshi- are you agreeing or disagreeing by making my point for me? lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 28 2016 17:04 GMT
#2097
On March 29 2016 01:58 rsoultin wrote:
here but not...working lunch into oral portion of exit exam, but i'll be back well before the lynch

-squints at koshi- are you agreeing or disagreeing by making my point for me? lol ><

As town you can just be here to see the day post and then leave. I also think it is strange to not comment but some people just want to see the flips. Those people can be town.

Don't think kurumi is mafia tbh. Too much words before he shot me.
I had a good night of sleep.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2016 17:12 GMT
#2098
On March 29 2016 02:04 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 01:58 rsoultin wrote:
here but not...working lunch into oral portion of exit exam, but i'll be back well before the lynch

-squints at koshi- are you agreeing or disagreeing by making my point for me? lol ><

As town you can just be here to see the day post and then leave. I also think it is strange to not comment but some people just want to see the flips. Those people can be town.

Don't think kurumi is mafia tbh. Too much words before he shot me.


ye, well, my belief that sl actually would ever be shot by mafia is about

| | this wide ^^

i find it more strange that he didn't comment when the shot didn't go through and sandy claimed almost immediately -_- like if all the claims are why he claims later it just doesn't add up for me
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16343 Posts
March 28 2016 17:14 GMT
#2099
On March 29 2016 01:33 Tictock wrote:
Just finished pg 98, not sure I like all of these responses from Rsoul, but they aren't terrible.

Heres the thing SL, her breadcrumbing looks legit. I definitly believe that she has the role she claims she does, the question is if Engi's would be opposing (of different alignments) or both town sided. Given the description of the role I'm inclined to believe that both Engi's would be town. Of course we only have Rsouls word about the nature of her role...

Besides her claim I'm not seeing much that really convinces me that Rsoul is town though.

Right now I'm thinking the lynch should be on one of Rsoul, Slam, or Kuru. Slam is kinda tempting simply because I fell like he's been getting some undeserved town reads that make no sense to me, plus the stuff I pointed out rgarding his shot.

Noone is ever mafia because he receives undeserved townreads. What about Koshi?
On March 29 2016 01:42 Koshi wrote:
Wagon of justice coming for me?

Yes, it is.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 28 2016 17:19 GMT
#2100
Confirmed Town
+ Show Spoiler +
rsoultin (sitting here because now I am committed. If she is mafia she is mafia with Rels/Tumble etc which actually could be the case. But not with the people I thought earlier were mafia. (and still do))
Vivax

Likely Town
+ Show Spoiler +
justanothertownie (I hope everybody understand he should die soon)

Maybe town
+ Show Spoiler +
sandroba (if rsoultin is town this guy can be mafia)
Kurumi (oh I also forgot that point that Rels made)
ObiWanShinobi
Damdred
Tictock (still town, still underwhelming)

Not going to lynch Town
+ Show Spoiler +
Shapelog (dnu, less hyperactive, but ok-ish reads, maybe too good? dnu)
LightningStrike (I have problems with possible TMI)

Null
+ Show Spoiler +
VayneAuthority

Won't lynch right now Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +
Rels (Guess I'll put him here. Out of place swearing at somebody + no real Rels moment in which he finds mafia)

Maybe Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +
Alakaslam (I think he could have done WAY better with that shot. Missing kp also suggest mafia vigi. Svengali plays claiming shot into whining about getting flak?)
ritoky (this guy can do more than say rsoultin is mafia.)

Likely Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +
Tumblewood
sicklucker (mafia with a vest)

Confirmed Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +
Superbia

I had a good night of sleep.
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