Noir Mini Mafia: Chapter 4

On March 08 2016 05:09 Shapelog wrote:
Just Realized that I am playing against masta slam.
Would be amazing if we both rolled scum together.

On March 08 2016 07:56 Hapahauli wrote:

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The Liquidia family was not a close-knit group. They were quite familiar with each other, and played forum mafia together online very frequently. But never had they seen each other in person before. However, they were all gathered on this remote island to mourn the passing of Marvellosity, a fellow forum member.

Half the Sky, took a large gulp out of her glass of water. She began to read:

"The Last Will and Testament of Marvellosity:

If all has gone according to plan, ten of my most hated TL Mafia members have been gathered on this remote island-"

"Most hated! What the fuck?" Geript interrupted. "That no good scumbag! I had to put up with his games for so many years, he better have left me something good-"

"Be quiet and let her finish." Barked Koshi, "I've had to put up with your nagging for all of a few minutes, and I already want to strangle you."

Half the Sky loudly cleared her throat. Both parties reduced themselves to an angry murmur before she continued.

"What... you gullible assholes thought I gathered you here on a remote island 100 miles from the nearest coastline because I cared about you? You thought you'd get a piece of my estate solely because of my gratitude? Please. You're trapped like rats, and you're all here for my post-mortem amusement."

The room fell silent. Tumblewood went white with terror.
shapelog started sobbing.
Everyone in the room had never met in person, but all of them knew of Marvellosity's cruel sense of humor intimately well.

"But my dear family, there is much opportunity to be had in my amusement! While I may be a bastard, I am no liar. Those of you who survive will inherit the millions of dollars in my estate! And god knows that most of you are up to your eyeballs in debt, so doesn't that sound like a fantastic opportunity?"

Kush broke the silence with a hearty laugh. "Oh god, does he know us well!" He chuckled, slamming his fist on the table, his voice slowly trailing off into a grumble...
Vivax grabbed the wine bottle in the middle of the table. He shakily poured himself an overflowing glass, which was finished within half a minute.
Yamato77 only stared at the tablecloth in front of him, deep in thought about the predicament he was in.

"We're going to play a game. A game of mafia. You all loved to argue with me about stupid things, so now you get to argue among-st yourselves for the highest of stakes. Two of you are actually not forum members, but assassins I hired. Kill them before the boat arrives, and those who survive will inherit my wealth. Fail, and you will meet your end on this very island.

Best of luck to you all! I'll see you all in hell!

P.S. There's a Night 0 Kill!"

"Alright," spoke up Rels, "If we work together, we can survive this."
Alakaslam quickly chimed in, "Agreed. But... what did he mean by 'Night 0 Kill'?"

While they pondered the question Half the Sky let out a deep groan. She clutched her stomach in agony. Her knees buckled, and her body slammed to the floor. The other nine members could only watch in horror as she retched and vomited blood, before becoming motionless on the floor minutes later.

"HIJOLE chinga- That's what he meant." Stammered Alakaslam. " I guess we better start."

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On March 08 2016 08:00 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


To which game are you referring?

On March 08 2016 08:04 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


So you are complaining about your scumplay, townplay, or both?

On March 08 2016 08:13 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
What does your science tell you so far, Shape?

On March 08 2016 08:14 Shapelog wrote:

24,000 theoretically with a mind that can read it all in a second.
But one of our fasts methods of reading, the Spritz method, can only read about 330-350 words per minute. Therefore the answer is roughly 350.

On March 08 2016 08:15 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


Shape can speak for himself, can't he?

On March 08 2016 08:17 Shapelog wrote:

A few things,
Vivax reported in yet has not done much. A course this is 15 mins into the game.
And I have a experiment about the Time kushs will live in this game compared to their ban time. At every vote count, I shall note how long this subject lasts until if one VC kills him. Then time the time it takes for his ban to run out.

It is a very scientific research i assure you.

On March 08 2016 16:18 geript wrote:

He might be town. Unlike Slam.

On March 08 2016 14:24 geript wrote:
Skimmed through. Stopped to eat. Shape's biggest explanation of a non-read is really fucking odd. I'll figure that shit out later. Slam isn't trolling. He's not trolling all wrong too. There's a distinct lack of Slam town fun. So just lynch him and after that idk.

On March 08 2016 16:25 yamato77 wrote:
Also, I don't understand how geript wants to lynch slam for what he's posted, nor would I give Shapelog a pass for being a noob. Shapelog's posts aren't bad necessarily, but they don't give off a newb vibe. They seem comfortable.

Vivax is the much more notable poster in the first few pages IMO and it's odd that all geript has to say about it is that he's a dick. All of that said, I don't really have a scumread on geript, I just disagree with him, as I expected to.

Kush being overly aggressive is whatever. Mild townread.

Tumble's first post is creative at least. If he's a new player I wouldn't expect that sort of effort as mafia but that's a highly conditional read.

On March 08 2016 15:15 Tumblewood wrote:
I feel like Shape's been kinda backed into a corner by kush, or at least he feels that way. How it went down:
Kush flashed his badge at Shapelog. It read, "Private Investigator: Kush Mountains". "What do you know about the mafia?" he inquired.
Shape didn't have much to say; he'd only been there twenty minutes, and he'd only seen three other people in his time. He thought of the most informative thing he had to say, which was

It wasn't much, and they both knew it. Kush followed up with some leading questions.

Of course, there was no other way for Shape to answer but in the affirmative. They both knew that anyone could be a killer, and there was no sense in thinking someone good-willed from just one clue.
Basically, Shape made an observation on virtually the only (little) information he had, and kush drew the conclusion from it and coerced him into making his own conclusion, which was "that's not enough" and labeled backtracking. It's not concerning to me.

On March 08 2016 17:12 geript wrote:
So basically when Slam is town, he has no clue what he's doing. He tries to have fun while doing something. He tries to play for his fun and others. He tries to get in on jokes. When he breaks to make a serious point, his thoughts meander. It's like he's posting high and there's the roundabout thought hidden between the jokes. When he's mafia, he tries to mimic that shit entirely. But instead of getting the meandering around, it's broken up separately. He focuses mostly on doing on thing at a time instead of just letting him his thoughts lead him wherever his mind goes.

So therefore between him not trolling (aka playing to have fun) and not trolling wrong (consistency between points of posts), he's scum.

On March 08 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
geript would say Slam is not trolling in this game ? Or trolling wrong ?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?user=alakaslam
First game post is the one that says "Q PASA MAH WHALASSA MOMBASSA"

On March 09 2016 05:29 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


he has already said he isn't taking the smurf game into account because it's a smurf game.

On March 09 2016 02:01 Koshi wrote:

Because I explained how I would prefer to play this game and you feel like you can boss me around and tell me how I should play or get lynched. Therefore my answer is Fuck You.

On March 09 2016 02:02 geript wrote:

Slam smurfing is a bit different. It kinda depends on how interested he is in not being found out and how long that interest lasts.

On March 09 2016 02:07 Koshi wrote:
Sadly I already made something and I don't want to delete it because it is pure brilliance. And because I was a bit mean to Rels last game and his VE read when I entered the thread. Therefore I will correct his yamato read and explain it.

+ Show Spoiler +.
1) The geript read + how he involves alakaslam,shape and Vivax. It just doesn't do it for me. Why is geript mafia for wanting to lynch alakslam? Why is geript mafia for thinking shape is newb town? Why is geript mafia for saying Vivax is a dick? geript explained his Shape read pretty clearly. I don't understand where yamato his confusion comes from. I also don't understand why yamato adds his own opinion of Shape in his geript segment, but fails to explain why it makes geript mafia. The entire paragraph just doesn't make sense from town perspective who is figuring out geript. Because Yamato isn't figuring out geript at all, he is correcting/doubting things geript said and then implies geript is wrong and therefore mafia. Or at least that is how this entire segment feels like. Because he doesn't really conclude anything on geript in the end. It's an open ending that we can fill in.

2) I don't see the connection between his opening post about lynching Vivax and the follow up in the geript segment. It could be that yamato his opening post is stating/complaining about the fact Vivax is offtopic as fuck. He confronts Vivax about that later again but without trying to solve the game or do anything. It's so meek. What is this read? + Show Spoiler +

3) I get the feeling that the Kush read and the Tumble read are "correct" reads mafia gives. Simple structured reads based on TMI but throwaway. Mafia yamato knows these 2 are town and then finds a reason to call them town. It is the same for the Shape read within the geript read btw. These reads feel like coming from mafia. Or really good town being in the zone but then I wonder what the fuck the geript/vivax vomitting was all about.

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I think town yamato would have approached this entirely different, a town yamato would be able to express and structure himself a lot clearer in his first read post. Figure out players individually and not inappropriate mix in geript in every read. Yamato his reads just don't seem to be coming from a townie trying to solve the game. I feel it is a mafia giving reads through discrediting somebody else his reads. I can't explain it. Just doesn't look town.

##vote Yamato

some tinfoil:
I was wondering why yamato is so focussed on geript. It doesn't feel natural yamato starts his read post by reading geript giving reads on 3 other people. Discrediting geript? Scumbuddies? Tilting geript? I don't know. Might have something to do with Slam but maybe completely not.

On March 09 2016 04:28 Shapelog wrote:
I will admit though. the use of [i] format that much is quite sus. Making everything into a "quote" is like the scummest thing you can do.

On March 09 2016 05:23 yamato77 wrote:

I clearly said geript wasn't mafia for what I was pointing out you imbecile.

You wrote more about my reads than I did. You're reaching. This post is horrid.

On March 09 2016 05:54 Vivax wrote:
So I just uninstalled dota and feel like I became a god, fuck that game seriously. Lemme see what has been happening here

On March 09 2016 05:58 Shapelog wrote:


Cba to look into vivax. But has the time to call the reason why vivax is sus. of him (which he did not know because IIRC he posted b/4 vivax) Cancer. But also then Cba to answer what ever the fuck Vivax was f5ing for.

Weird.

On March 09 2016 05:58 Rels wrote:

Maybe scum. He has excuses to not post a lot like he does as town + I don't understand his case on you.

On March 09 2016 15:02 geript wrote:


I saw this in rereading and this is really, really fucking off. There's literally zero reason with Vivax's first post for me or anyone else to think that Vivax is happy about a Slam lynch. Hell, at best it's exceptionally limited and tacit approval of slam lynch.


This also is bullshit. Koshi is more than capable of posting everything he has as scum.


This is even more bullshit. There's not a single read or point or anything here.

Literally the only thing Vivax has done this whole game is dance outside of issues. He's posted a worthless reads post with no reasoning whatsoever. He prods people and gets them to focus on lots of little bullshit things which are irrelevant. He's asking questions of other people and somehow never gives a real opinion on anyone. It's working on 48 hours and literally all he's doing is leading people around by the nose.

If you guys aren't going to lynch SLam, then Vivax is clearly the next best option.

On March 09 2016 21:17 Vivax wrote:
ima talk things through with competent players when they're back, I think geript might not even be wrong about Slam, but if I think thta it's not cause of the stuff he posts which requires me to sheep geripts meta reads blindly which I was slightly willing to do before he started vomiting in my face, but cause Shape rightly pointed out that slam's PoE would have looked odd, besides that he wasn't pushing it at all.

Saitama was quite better than that.

On March 10 2016 03:06 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Alakaslam can you expand on your townread of tumble? Was it mainly that early assessment of me vs shape that you agreed with or is there something I'm not seeing?

On March 10 2016 03:17 Rels wrote:

I thought you townread Koshi ?

On March 10 2016 07:23 Koshi wrote:
Well. If Alakaslam is mafia a lot of what I am saying here is worth nothing tbh. But is he?

The case on Alakaslam is:
- The geript accusation of meta
- Alakaslam changed his read on me

Is there more?

On March 10 2016 07:24 Shapelog wrote:

I didn't call him scum kush, I was trying to figure out how much Slam actually had to do (reading and such) within his logic. when i looked at it, it was 3 people. Therefore I was a bit confused on how Slam said there was a lot to do or something along those lines. But I also figured that he was prob. joking a bit and factor that in.

If i thought it was heavily scum, or enough to call him scum based off of that, i would of said it.

On March 10 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote:
I'll say this thing. Everytime Alakaslam said to lynch him, he has been town. But I'll also add that most of the times he says: "lynch me for the good of the town, if you don't lynch me I will come back with a vengeance". Something like that.

On March 10 2016 07:28 Koshi wrote:

If you flip mafia I am just going to say I played devils advocate on purpose to find your scumbuddy.

On March 10 2016 09:09 yamato77 wrote:
These posts seem quite incongruent.




How can you townread Rels for calling Slam scum (for a reason you find actually good) and then say that if Slam is scum it makes Rels MORE likely scum?

Really horrid reasoning there, I'd say.

On March 10 2016 09:23 yamato77 wrote:

Where did he decide you were town? In his filter he says he thinks you're mafia because he agrees with Rels' point, and says he's going to vote you. But then he doesn't? And makes that post? Questionable play.

On March 10 2016 09:28 Tumblewood wrote:
Here's how I felt circa 11:45 today:
I had a hunch that Vivax was the killer. It all lined up. Slam, his partner-in-crime? Well, it's hard to be sure, but it was a good place to start from.
Then I saw the vote tally. Three people shared my suspicion toward Slam, but it was hard to find anyone willing to vote against Vivax. I had to catch the twelve o'clock, and time was running out. We shouldn't waste another day without acting, and... Slam had just practically conceded to his own lynch.
Had the support been different, perhaps I would have put my tally under "Vivax", but I saw that going nowhere. I slipped my tally under "Slam" and hurried to the station.

On March 10 2016 09:42 Vivax wrote:
For the love of god just find a townie to sheep and stop posting reads yams.

Slam has been HIJOLE all game long, he gave up cause of overwhelming HIJOLE cause hes mafia, gerupt unvoted his #1 scumread after the scumread claimed scum.

If Rels wasn't enough to make you understand it's slam and gerupt, you should really quit this game

On March 10 2016 09:49 Vivax wrote:
after this dreadful day the mafia actually realized they can win

On March 10 2016 09:50 Alakaslam wrote:

To be sure.

On March 10 2016 10:02 Tumblewood wrote:

Yeah. I'm kinda hesitant because this is a weird situation for me (actually claiming scum? pls) but if Slam isn't, who is?

On March 10 2016 10:23 Shapelog wrote:

Don't underestimate me! I claimed Sk D1 every game I played in ToS and usually win because I promise town that i work with them and then back stab them. Or kill a town RB and Jailior and not get lynched because HIJOLE ^^
Anyways

Ok.....
Question, How can you value something you have, when you do not have it?

On March 09 2016 06:30 Vivax wrote:
yea fwiw slam doesn't look scummy to me, im really happy hes playing his "new style". He's capable of being a good townie as shown when he was saitama, so for now I don't feel like lynching him

On March 10 2016 09:42 Vivax wrote:
For the love of god just find a townie to sheep and stop posting reads yams.

Slam has been HIJOLE all game long, he gave up cause of overwhelming HIJOLE cause hes mafia, gerupt unvoted his #1 scumread after the scumread claimed scum.

If Rels wasn't enough to make you understand it's slam and gerupt, you should really quit this game

On March 10 2016 22:34 Koshi wrote:
Nha. I think Rels yesterday felt like he could be impulsive as scum but failed to do so in a townie way. There is really no change in his logic after both me and Shape explained it could be town geript.

Shape is without doubt town Kush. Look how he approached geript yesterday. You can see him analyze the geript unvote and see him think about it. The difference between Rels and Shape really is mafia vs town.

I think Rels thought town would be more outraged and decided to play outraged till he went to bed and re-asses in the morning if needed. But because I was pretty chill about it instantly he forgot to adapt his playstyle.

On March 10 2016 23:09 Rels wrote:
Vivax Slam is likely scum but geript is confirmed scum. There is no possibility town!geript ninja unvoted with no mention of being in the thread after what he's been saying all game. It is not possible.
##Vote geript

On March 10 2016 23:19 Vivax wrote:
m isnt as scummy as me.

then slam claims scum.

geript does the only possible thing to keep trying to win and unvotes slam.

ta-da

On March 10 2016 23:28 Rels wrote:
Slam did you set on who is the scumteam from your POV ?

On March 10 2016 23:38 Rels wrote:

Because geript is scum. See the post above. Then you can vote him.

On March 10 2016 23:44 Koshi wrote:
Slam can you please throw out some reads pls. Otherwise you are going to get lynched... Not by me but people are going to get suckered in by Vivax and Rels.

On March 10 2016 23:46 Koshi wrote:

Is it obvious though?

But let's say it is too obvious. At least 1 should be mafia right? How is it possible the other one is so blind then?

On March 10 2016 23:49 Koshi wrote:

I guess. But there are enough waves in this thread to disturb the pocketing. I think enough of us already said that Vivax is mafia. So why does Rels keep ignoring it without giving reasoning? Vivax is an undisputed townread because he pushes the game forward, yet other way more obvious townies (Koshi, Shape) always get revisited.

On March 10 2016 23:50 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:


Saitama gaves reads as I recall.
How am I supposed to read you without reads? Help me.

It looks like you just come in every now and then and leave NAI comments on things.

On March 10 2016 23:50 Vivax wrote:
koshi must have started biking or got mugged cause at some point in the past year he seems to have taken heavy hits to the head

On March 10 2016 23:57 Vivax wrote:


btw explain the story, I could use something worth reading at this point

On March 11 2016 00:04 Koshi wrote:

Maybe to me? Ofc it is to me. I had a post with 6 quotes in which he just flames me. He had before that 2 more of those.

I only called him mafia. Nothing else.

It's a fucking disgrace to play like that. If that is town Vivax. Well fuck him then. He should be fucking shot in the face.

On March 10 2016 23:58 Rels wrote:

Why geript and yamato town ?

On March 11 2016 00:26 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

Why does geript being better at scum make him less likely to be scum?

On March 11 2016 00:29 Rels wrote:
Slam if you're town and not the lynch I expect a saitama-like N1.

On March 11 2016 00:31 Koshi wrote:
D2 is already filled lynching you.

On March 11 2016 04:23 geript wrote:

Let's talk about my unflipped associations more. Vote count was like 5-2-1-1. Pretend Slam is Mafia, you basically have to imagine scum team is like Slam/Tumble--basically a team that has no thread pull whatsoever. Maybe Slam/Vivax but that's not a highly likely pair on how they've been so happy to vote for each other. On of the big advantages of having less time to devote to Mafia, is spending less time playing Mafia so I can be more objective. In a mini-mini like this, votes and pushes count for more. You can make actual team theories usefully. Plus, I wasn't even making associations. I was the only person happy with that lynch. It's odd that despite the case being around for 40 hours or so, it catches on with ~6 hours til lynch. Especially since 60% of the people had fought for other lynches, lynches who they're voting with on a tacit lynch. Look at the facts. My godread is more likely to be wrong than right given the circumstances.

Oh and in regards to needing to lynch, let's put that post in perspective. At the time ~30 hours into the game 4 people are voting for 4 different people with no clear consensus and no move towards one. That's no good for town.

On March 11 2016 04:26 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:

Forget it bro, it's TLMafia.

On March 11 2016 04:34 geript wrote:

Who are you looking at next after Vivax flips?

On March 11 2016 06:43 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
you're either on the above average or below average side of it. so it's a totally valid insult.

On March 12 2016 11:05 Shapelog wrote:
Serious, I question this. How did,









Get Town read?
and IIRC I did not really give out a single read D1
H o w t h e f u c k ?

On March 12 2016 14:59 Tumblewood wrote:
You've listed them as preferred lynches. Why is that?

On March 12 2016 15:52 Alakaslam wrote:

Question directed at whom?

On March 13 2016 05:12 yamato77 wrote:
I'd say I'm much less confident in my Slam townread knowing that kush is mafia and that he didn't follow through on his promise to vote him.

On March 13 2016 09:03 Koshi wrote:

Why?

On March 13 2016 13:21 Tumblewood wrote:

Could you say a little more? The meta isn't exactly clear.

On March 14 2016 21:36 Shapelog wrote:
Slam, Can you still answer the question of what I am doing different?
Slam, if you are town, then don't just lay about doing nothing. You are most likely going to get lynched, and actually explaining in depth would be helpful after your death as town.

A course, if your scum, please continue.

On March 14 2016 23:32 Rels wrote:
Slam if you're blue claim now or rescind your right to do it forever.

On March 15 2016 05:18 Shapelog wrote:

OMFG for what is holy in your eyes fucking explain your reads and shit, do something.
Jeez, and people are mad that I am trying to keep the game interesting with poems...

On March 09 2016 05:30 Alakaslam wrote:

##Geript

He knows better

On March 22 2016 08:28 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
The rest of the town sucked terribly.