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On March 01 2016 23:45 Koshi wrote:
has marv already said anything about the fefe wagon?
I do not beleive so, Let me check.
Check: Not until the posts on this page (35)
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On March 01 2016 05:48 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 05:44 TheCow wrote:
#243-244 appears to be an attempt to discredit the attack against Sentinel -- his partner. Leveraging the style of qob as well as his newness to sidestep the read. How is that mafia behavior when he knows his own alignment?
because FF is focusing on qob's newness and posting style rather than the content of the read.
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On March 01 2016 23:48 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:45 Koshi wrote:
has marv already said anything about the fefe wagon? I do not beleive so, Let me check. Check: Not until the posts on this page (35)
And you people think that is normal? He is here parrying everything said about him. But is not commenting on the obvious fucking lynch that will happen whenever this deadline is.
oh boy.
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On March 01 2016 23:50 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:48 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 23:45 Koshi wrote:
has marv already said anything about the fefe wagon? I do not beleive so, Let me check. Check: Not until the posts on this page (35) And you people think that is normal? He is here parrying everything said about him. But is not commenting on the obvious fucking lynch that will happen whenever this deadline is. oh boy.
it's precisely happened in my last 2 towngames that I've not given a comment on one of the main topics of conversation and some idiot scumread me for it. so nyer.
although i have dropped a little tidbit.
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On March 01 2016 23:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:50 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 23:48 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 23:45 Koshi wrote:
has marv already said anything about the fefe wagon? I do not beleive so, Let me check. Check: Not until the posts on this page (35) And you people think that is normal? He is here parrying everything said about him. But is not commenting on the obvious fucking lynch that will happen whenever this deadline is. oh boy. it's precisely happened in my last 2 towngames that I've not given a comment on one of the main topics of conversation and some idiot scumread me for it. so nyer. although i have dropped a little tidbit.
Nha. This is not true.
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On March 01 2016 23:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 23:50 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 23:48 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 23:45 Koshi wrote:
has marv already said anything about the fefe wagon? I do not beleive so, Let me check. Check: Not until the posts on this page (35) And you people think that is normal? He is here parrying everything said about him. But is not commenting on the obvious fucking lynch that will happen whenever this deadline is. oh boy. it's precisely happened in my last 2 towngames that I've not given a comment on one of the main topics of conversation and some idiot scumread me for it. so nyer. although i have dropped a little tidbit. Nha. This is not true.
On February 04 2016 20:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:50 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:50 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:49 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:47 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:45 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:44 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:42 Palmar wrote:
I'm out for a bit
make marv give opinions on things, make jat actually play *shakes head* pretty bad because you know i can never be drawn on things when i don't want to be and you know i'm always slow at the start. why you say these things this is only partly true. You tend to be slow at actually doing things (trying to lynch people), but you do poke an opinion here and there when you're town. no it's completely true, and i already said a couple of things. if i'm playing the game as mafia then i would also give an opinion or two on things in short, what you said is 100% pointless. do you genuinely believe that you would post similar or same opinions as mafia and as town? fake afk noted  just clicked on my last towngame in the database (Haunted) got pressure off GB because i didn't give a single comment on the only major important thing that had happened early game. i contend that townmarv doesn't even give opinions here and there if he doesn't want to 
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On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore.
I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote:
Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote:
Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote:
I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff.
Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Show nested quote +Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too.
Even if he didn't check the meta beforehand, it all feels very fabricated and unnatural to me. He seems too eager to disregard his earlier post an explain himself. Also look at this:
On March 01 2016 03:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:01 Damdred wrote:
I actually think its a good newbie tactic especially given they are paired up with someone to seem upset. Well especially if koshi is the other pair of mafia at least.
But thats to associative for me. I still think the anger is misplaced and not really going along to see where you are going made me go hm. Btw i take it koshi was scum in all those Yup, it's The Mafia Awakens if I'm not mistaken. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 03:00 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. What a foolish statement, i only speak facts, the sooner you realize this the sooner you'll save yourself from embarrassment. You're still doing it.
Now he really did check all the games and he counted the ones where Koshi was Mafia. He must know which game it was. Just feels a bit off to me, as if he's trying to overcompensate for his error. For your silly game, he went totally overboard. Stressed?
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like i just don't think this sentinel/FF thing is a gimme at all, and i kinda want to talk to sandroba about it.
FF doesn't totally struggle to post as mafia. I rather think if he felt some responsibility as mafia he would try posting a bit more. I think as town he might just do whatever the fuck he wants and come back and do things when he feels like it.
so i'm not jumping on anything.
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On March 01 2016 23:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:53 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 23:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 23:50 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 23:48 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 23:45 Koshi wrote:
has marv already said anything about the fefe wagon? I do not beleive so, Let me check. Check: Not until the posts on this page (35) And you people think that is normal? He is here parrying everything said about him. But is not commenting on the obvious fucking lynch that will happen whenever this deadline is. oh boy. it's precisely happened in my last 2 towngames that I've not given a comment on one of the main topics of conversation and some idiot scumread me for it. so nyer. although i have dropped a little tidbit. Nha. This is not true. Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:53 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:50 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:50 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:49 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:47 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:45 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:44 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:42 Palmar wrote:
I'm out for a bit
make marv give opinions on things, make jat actually play *shakes head* pretty bad because you know i can never be drawn on things when i don't want to be and you know i'm always slow at the start. why you say these things this is only partly true. You tend to be slow at actually doing things (trying to lynch people), but you do poke an opinion here and there when you're town. no it's completely true, and i already said a couple of things. if i'm playing the game as mafia then i would also give an opinion or two on things in short, what you said is 100% pointless. do you genuinely believe that you would post similar or same opinions as mafia and as town? fake afk noted just clicked on my last towngame in the database (Haunted) got pressure off GB because i didn't give a single comment on the only major important thing that had happened early game. i contend that townmarv doesn't even give opinions here and there if he doesn't want to
THAT IS DIFFERENT
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On March 01 2016 23:56 marvellosity wrote:
like i just don't think this sentinel/FF thing is a gimme at all, and i kinda want to talk to sandroba about it.
FF doesn't totally struggle to post as mafia. I rather think if he felt some responsibility as mafia he would try posting a bit more. I think as town he might just do whatever the fuck he wants and come back and do things when he feels like it.
so i'm not jumping on anything.
THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO
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On March 01 2016 23:58 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:54 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 23:53 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 23:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 23:50 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 23:48 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 23:45 Koshi wrote:
has marv already said anything about the fefe wagon? I do not beleive so, Let me check. Check: Not until the posts on this page (35) And you people think that is normal? He is here parrying everything said about him. But is not commenting on the obvious fucking lynch that will happen whenever this deadline is. oh boy. it's precisely happened in my last 2 towngames that I've not given a comment on one of the main topics of conversation and some idiot scumread me for it. so nyer. although i have dropped a little tidbit. Nha. This is not true. On February 04 2016 20:53 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:50 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:50 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:49 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:47 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:45 Palmar wrote:On February 04 2016 20:44 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2016 20:42 Palmar wrote:
I'm out for a bit
make marv give opinions on things, make jat actually play *shakes head* pretty bad because you know i can never be drawn on things when i don't want to be and you know i'm always slow at the start. why you say these things this is only partly true. You tend to be slow at actually doing things (trying to lynch people), but you do poke an opinion here and there when you're town. no it's completely true, and i already said a couple of things. if i'm playing the game as mafia then i would also give an opinion or two on things in short, what you said is 100% pointless. do you genuinely believe that you would post similar or same opinions as mafia and as town? fake afk noted just clicked on my last towngame in the database (Haunted) got pressure off GB because i didn't give a single comment on the only major important thing that had happened early game. i contend that townmarv doesn't even give opinions here and there if he doesn't want to THAT IS DIFFERENT
nul points
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@marv FF has been rolling scum a lot lately. He expressed scum burnout before cell. In cell he got town but his cell was first so he got very little play time.
If he were to roll scum again I'd imagine he'd still be burned out.
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On March 01 2016 23:56 marvellosity wrote:
like i just don't think this sentinel/FF thing is a gimme at all, and i kinda want to talk to sandroba about it.
FF doesn't totally struggle to post as mafia. I rather think if he felt some responsibility as mafia he would try posting a bit more. I think as town he might just do whatever the fuck he wants and come back and do things when he feels like it.
so i'm not jumping on anything.
Would you vote for FF/Sentinel if they don't post more before the EOD?
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On March 01 2016 23:58 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:56 marvellosity wrote:
like i just don't think this sentinel/FF thing is a gimme at all, and i kinda want to talk to sandroba about it.
FF doesn't totally struggle to post as mafia. I rather think if he felt some responsibility as mafia he would try posting a bit more. I think as town he might just do whatever the fuck he wants and come back and do things when he feels like it.
so i'm not jumping on anything. THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO
AND I DO THINGS WHEN I FUCKING WANT TO DO THEM AS YOU KNOW
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On March 01 2016 23:13 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:01 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 22:57 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 22:46 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 22:36 Rels wrote:On March 01 2016 22:28 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 22:09 Rels wrote:
qob why do you think marv is scum ? My partner and my town reads suspect him. I personally havent been focusing on him too much. However after watching him vs. Koshi it was one sided and clear. Why do you partner scumread him ? Why was him vs Koshi one sided and clear ? What Koshi arguments do you think are good ? I will let my partner speak for themself. Koshi absolutely blew him the fuck out, it was hilarious tbh but i dont want to be a dickrider. Koshi made him stumble over himself. There was no one part i thought was good, i was clear to me that Koshi had the upperhand, in a sense. Do you think Koshi is scum Rels? Also where is Bannon? tell me exactly where i stumbled. or i might just policy vote you for talking gibberish. On March 01 2016 19:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 08:10 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 08:05 Tictock wrote:On March 01 2016 08:02 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 08:01 Koshi wrote:
Ok maybe VE is mafia after all. I'll reconsider. For the record. I still firmly believe he is most likely town. Mafia is still marv. I know you said it's hard to explain, but why is Marv mafia? Kus he said you'd do stuff if you are town? This is how I could explain it, it's not really good explained but that's kinda it: I think marv is mafia because he is hedging. The post I quoted for instance, he knows I am an easy misslynch atm, he knows Rels is pushing me, so when Sentinel says I am town, he just discredits me by saying "I am obvious town when I am town" which is perfect because when I am obvious town he can just decide to ignore me as mafia. And when I am not being obvious town he just planted this little seed in the head of a person who has me as town. Mafia type play. Normally marv uses that sentence in a totally other context. It is just bad here. He didn't help anybody writing that down. Just like he didn't help anybody writing down those 3 quotes from a game in which I was mafia. He is just planting seeds. Nowhere in marv his filter he has me as mafia. He is just suggesting it very shadowly. Which is very unlike marv. All this is wrong. To the bolded. I am so hedgey when I am town I make posts such as these: On February 06 2015 20:54 marvellosity wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.009.cd2.com/members/how_to/images13/7.jpg) Like, I literally post hedges. Koshi *is* obvious town when he is town. I ended up scumreading him last time we played together because he looked kinda townie but he wasn't "obvious" town. He was mafia. It was a correct heuristic. It will continue to be a correct heuristic. He didn't help anybody writing that down. Just like he didn't help anybody writing down those 3 quotes from a game in which I was mafia. He is just planting seeds. Bad. I play little games all the time as town. I love little games. I have incredibly fond memories of playing games with Palmar in Rock Band where I kept quoting things from previous games with "town or mafia?". Bet you can't find me doing this as mafia. I can provide examples as town. Koshi should know this. The point, which was obvious, was that Sentinel was making a poor meta read and I was correcting him on it. And Sentinel admitted himself, replying to my post, that it was incorrect. So I made him rescind his incorrect read. How is this bad? Everything Koshi writes here is wrong. *and he should know it is all wrong*. So why is he writing it? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/504019-team-melee-mini-mafia-vi-newbies-and-vets?user=marvellosity&page=2Clearly you were flustered. This is no gibberish, its just facts. You're scum, arent you? Sure, until you realized that Marv for the most part did not do anything rashed. Also I do not think Koshi had the upper hand if he had to call upon divine powers and one liners. Can you tell me why Spike is town? The only thing he did is discredit me together with marv. What is the townie mindset there? You do realize that guy is actively following the thread right? It is obvious mafia focussing on not getting lynched. Wouldn't town at least try to get a freaking scumread? You do realize that when he came into the thread before the last time he was completely 100% neutral towards me, even though I was already scumreading him and marv then. Next time he scumreads me and discredits me. While marv does the same not bothering to read the thread. 5 mins later marv read the thread and already flipped his read and had me as town. While Spike was still happy to call me mafia for dnu what reasons tbh. You got to know this spike got literally 0 reasons to call me mafia except the fact that I called them mafia. And he doesn't even know why that exactly makes me mafia. The reasons why marv called me mafia cannot be why spike called me mafia. He doesn't know the meta on marv and why everything I wrote was "bullshit" (it wasn't) So why is he calling me mafia? Because marv told him to discredit me because that is what mafia needs to do. It is quite obvious this Spike guy is really new to the game and is just doing what marv tells him to do but he does it rather badly because he doesn't understand what he should really do.
Blah de blah de blah my issue was at first that I thought it was really suspicious that someone start pressing and attacking someone based on no real evidence. Poking a stick out at someone relentlessly, I had assumed in naivety that would have been a very mafia thing to do. Since talking it out with marv, I've learned that you're just a cock when you have innocence as your backbone. My view of you is no longer and hasn't been scum for a while.
Also worth noting I'm not actually all that actively following thread. I try to but I've still got a life to lead outside.
On March 01 2016 23:16 Koshi wrote:
I already threw some bait towards spike 20 hours ago to see if they were solving the game or did anything at all. But he is not doing anything. Dnu. Pretty sure if he was town he would at least attempt to do something.
You did? I may have missed it.
On March 01 2016 23:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:16 Koshi wrote:
I already threw some bait towards spike 20 hours ago to see if they were solving the game or did anything at all. But he is not doing anything. Dnu. Pretty sure if he was town he would at least attempt to do something. and if he was mafia i could manufacture anything for him. maybe he's struggling and i'm a terrible teacher. your logic is poor. he seemed to agree with me that Cow/Damdred were suspicious but he couldn't articulate why very well except for using the phrase "inconsequential wank" about Damdred's filter.
Ah yeah, then I went for lunch and lost it in amongst a billion tabs, so probably closed it by accident.. So shoot me.
On March 01 2016 23:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:19 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 23:16 Koshi wrote:
I already threw some bait towards spike 20 hours ago to see if they were solving the game or did anything at all. But he is not doing anything. Dnu. Pretty sure if he was town he would at least attempt to do something. and if he was mafia i could manufacture anything for him. maybe he's struggling and i'm a terrible teacher. your logic is poor. he seemed to agree with me that Cow/Damdred were suspicious but he couldn't articulate why very well except for using the phrase "inconsequential wank" about Damdred's filter. Sure MAYBE. Nothing is 100% set in stone. But the guy did FUCKING NOTHING. I am calling you 2 mafia 24/7 and he comes in here and makes 2 neutral comments. Doesn't attempt to do anything. Then he reads another post of mine in which I call you mafia and FOR SOME FUCKING REASON WITHOUT READING ANYTHING YOUR FUCKING ADVICE TO HIM IS: DESTROY KOSHI, DESTROY AND DESCREDIT HIM. DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE YOU READ. DESTROY KOSHI. KILL KOSHI. DON'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. Come on marv. Come on. That is everything you got the poor guy to offer? I actually gave my full view on the game to my junior. I actually don't talk about the read on you in my QT. We discuss what the solution is if you are not mafia.
Marv and I really got off to a bad start, for which he's apologised and made right.
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@koshi try to empathize with a hypothetically town spikasaur. It's his first game. He did not find this game on his own and therefore had no natural interest in it like most newbs.
It makes sense that he doesn't have reads.
First mafia game, and also new to TL. I grew interest in this thing from shoulder watching on marv. I've been pretty used to just taking a back seat and observing more than playing. Marv was telling me to find inconsistent posts or things that seemed off, but I've been struggling.
On March 01 2016 23:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:28 Koshi wrote:
It took marv 5 minutes to read the thread and see I am town. Which is solving the game. Yet he taught his junior to make 85% of his filter to descredit me and not solve the game? yes, he thinks you're an arse for attacking us based on shitty reasons. imo very townie. my bf is the towniest of all townies. koshi2loser.
Absolutely fucking relentlessly. It's kinda annoying tbh...
Defend, defend, defend. Brb.
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On March 01 2016 23:58 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@marv FF has been rolling scum a lot lately. He expressed scum burnout before cell. In cell he got town but his cell was first so he got very little play time.
If he were to roll scum again I'd imagine he'd still be burned out.
ah. yeah, this is a point.
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Koshi, why are you finding kush suspicious, exactly?
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