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On March 01 2016 23:13 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:01 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 22:57 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 22:46 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 22:36 Rels wrote:On March 01 2016 22:28 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 22:09 Rels wrote:
qob why do you think marv is scum ? My partner and my town reads suspect him. I personally havent been focusing on him too much. However after watching him vs. Koshi it was one sided and clear. Why do you partner scumread him ? Why was him vs Koshi one sided and clear ? What Koshi arguments do you think are good ? I will let my partner speak for themself. Koshi absolutely blew him the fuck out, it was hilarious tbh but i dont want to be a dickrider. Koshi made him stumble over himself. There was no one part i thought was good, i was clear to me that Koshi had the upperhand, in a sense. Do you think Koshi is scum Rels? Also where is Bannon? tell me exactly where i stumbled. or i might just policy vote you for talking gibberish. On March 01 2016 19:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 08:10 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 08:05 Tictock wrote:On March 01 2016 08:02 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 08:01 Koshi wrote:
Ok maybe VE is mafia after all. I'll reconsider. For the record. I still firmly believe he is most likely town. Mafia is still marv. I know you said it's hard to explain, but why is Marv mafia? Kus he said you'd do stuff if you are town? This is how I could explain it, it's not really good explained but that's kinda it: I think marv is mafia because he is hedging. The post I quoted for instance, he knows I am an easy misslynch atm, he knows Rels is pushing me, so when Sentinel says I am town, he just discredits me by saying "I am obvious town when I am town" which is perfect because when I am obvious town he can just decide to ignore me as mafia. And when I am not being obvious town he just planted this little seed in the head of a person who has me as town. Mafia type play. Normally marv uses that sentence in a totally other context. It is just bad here. He didn't help anybody writing that down. Just like he didn't help anybody writing down those 3 quotes from a game in which I was mafia. He is just planting seeds. Nowhere in marv his filter he has me as mafia. He is just suggesting it very shadowly. Which is very unlike marv. All this is wrong. To the bolded. I am so hedgey when I am town I make posts such as these: On February 06 2015 20:54 marvellosity wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.009.cd2.com/members/how_to/images13/7.jpg) Like, I literally post hedges. Koshi *is* obvious town when he is town. I ended up scumreading him last time we played together because he looked kinda townie but he wasn't "obvious" town. He was mafia. It was a correct heuristic. It will continue to be a correct heuristic. He didn't help anybody writing that down. Just like he didn't help anybody writing down those 3 quotes from a game in which I was mafia. He is just planting seeds. Bad. I play little games all the time as town. I love little games. I have incredibly fond memories of playing games with Palmar in Rock Band where I kept quoting things from previous games with "town or mafia?". Bet you can't find me doing this as mafia. I can provide examples as town. Koshi should know this. The point, which was obvious, was that Sentinel was making a poor meta read and I was correcting him on it. And Sentinel admitted himself, replying to my post, that it was incorrect. So I made him rescind his incorrect read. How is this bad? Everything Koshi writes here is wrong. *and he should know it is all wrong*. So why is he writing it? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/504019-team-melee-mini-mafia-vi-newbies-and-vets?user=marvellosity&page=2Clearly you were flustered. This is no gibberish, its just facts. You're scum, arent you? Sure, until you realized that Marv for the most part did not do anything rashed. Also I do not think Koshi had the upper hand if he had to call upon divine powers and one liners. Can you tell me why Spike is town? The only thing he did is discredit me together with marv. What is the townie mindset there? You do realize that guy is actively following the thread right? It is obvious mafia focussing on not getting lynched. Wouldn't town at least try to get a freaking scumread? You do realize that when he came into the thread before the last time he was completely 100% neutral towards me, even though I was already scumreading him and marv then. Next time he scumreads me and discredits me. While marv does the same not bothering to read the thread. 5 mins later marv read the thread and already flipped his read and had me as town. While Spike was still happy to call me mafia for dnu what reasons tbh. You got to know this spike got literally 0 reasons to call me mafia except the fact that I called them mafia. And he doesn't even know why that exactly makes me mafia. The reasons why marv called me mafia cannot be why spike called me mafia. He doesn't know the meta on marv and why everything I wrote was "bullshit" (it wasn't) So why is he calling me mafia? Because marv told him to discredit me because that is what mafia needs to do. It is quite obvious this Spike guy is really new to the game and is just doing what marv tells him to do but he does it rather badly because he doesn't understand what he should really do.
What Spike has done, Nothing major of the sort. Nor do i think he is town. Just because I talk about Marv. in semi bright lighting, does not mean anything about his partner. If I see something wrong with X, then I will investigate/question it.
Also, you seem paranoid. I do not personally think you are scum (or more so your team.) And I do not believe anyone else is scum reading you based off of what Spike has said. Because guess why? it is not good. The only reason people might be is because you so mind set on them being scum (basically tunneled) that you are ignoring reasoning. You can not find a actually flaw that can not be explain you your behavior is not helping.
I am going to filter dive in a while (college sucks) for your partners request. I tell you what I think about them then in detail.
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Like, if you would really try to learn Spike how to play the game as town you would have told him to check my filter and how much of a fucking cunt I am.
Not tell him to descredit everything I said without any context, without anything really.
You would tell him that if you were mafia and not really paying too much attention.
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Maybe I am tunneled. But in no world marv is town. If you think he is town you are aither mafia with TMI or should enter the lottery.
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On March 01 2016 23:21 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@marv, both cow and damdred have made decent deep thought posts.
I think you may be sheeping outdated sandroba feels.
Can I interest you in a sent lynch?
I agreed with everything sandroba wrote.
qob, who has played multiple games with TheCow, thinks his posting is suspicious. I think "decent deep thoughts" is really pushing it, especially for TheCow.
let me dig up the post from Felkyr because there was something wrong. although tbh I would agree that Sentinel in particular is playing very airy fairy.
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On March 01 2016 23:26 Koshi wrote:
Maybe I am tunneled. But in no world marv is town. If you think he is town you are aither mafia with TMI or should enter the lottery.
every time you post something like this i am town
thx koshi
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On March 01 2016 23:26 Koshi wrote:
Maybe I am tunneled. But in no world marv is town. If you think he is town you are aither mafia with TMI or should enter the lottery.
Did I say I think he was town? *raises eye*
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It took marv 5 minutes to read the thread and see I am town. Which is solving the game. Yet he taught his junior to make 85% of his filter to descredit me and not solve the game?
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@koshi try to empathize with a hypothetically town spikasaur. It's his first game. He did not find this game on his own and therefore had no natural interest in it like most newbs.
It makes sense that he doesn't have reads.
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On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore.
I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote:
Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote:
Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote:
I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff.
Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself.
The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point.
Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something.
i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote.
Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too.
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On March 01 2016 23:28 Koshi wrote:
It took marv 5 minutes to read the thread and see I am town. Which is solving the game. Yet he taught his junior to make 85% of his filter to descredit me and not solve the game?
yes, he thinks you're an arse for attacking us based on shitty reasons.
imo very townie. my bf is the towniest of all townies. koshi2loser.
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On March 01 2016 23:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore.
I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote:
Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote:
Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote:
I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff.
Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself. The first paragraph. I read the Sentinel post differently. That Sentinel had a certain impression of Koshi's play that he had WITHOUT checking the meta. And then after he checked the meta on my prodding he realised he was wrong. so i don't think this is the strongest point. Show nested quote +Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. i rather think this is the most suspicious thing that Sentinel wrote. Also he agreed with what Koshi wrote about me which was compeltely wrong which I showed which no-one can poke holes in even though people keep attacking the post i made. which is kinda suspicious too.
yeah i don't agree with Felkyr's point.
I think what sent was talking about was meta research he did for another game?
And if you think about it, why did he even bring that up? Ultimately it had no bearing on anyone's alignment. It was just like "yup here's my anecdote about trying to meta someone."
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On March 01 2016 23:10 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
##vote team anal prolapse
Weren't you on Marv/Rels or VE?
Why this town now?
Fucking fefe and sentinel are probably town and you are getting fucked in the ass by a scumteam marv/kush.
Like I said when I spend 5 mins reading this game btw.
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On March 01 2016 23:36 Koshi wrote:Weren't you on Marv/Rels or VE? Why this town now? Fucking fefe and sentinel are probably town and you are getting fucked in the ass by a scumteam marv/kush. Like I said when I spend 5 mins reading this game btw.
will you change your sig to a worshipful-marv post if you're 0/2? :>
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On March 01 2016 23:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
What the actual fuck is mafia on mafia supposed to mean. Answer my question.
Anyways, I have to kill an exam but I'll be back later in the day. If you aren't already, please continue sheeping me until that point. It improves the quality of my reads when I see people being wrong.
Koshi thinks Marv is scum. He also thought that the 'three-quote game' Marv played with you could never come from scum-scum interactions. Hence, you are not scum. However, I pointed out that those interactions can come from scum-scum so you can still be scum when Marv is scum.
That being said, I think FF/Sentinel is a good lynch. There are other newbies who are not doing well at all, but I think FF has been the most useless veteran so far. The combination of the two is just horrible. They need to post more before EOD.
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Felkyrs initital point is about sentinel his point about the ratio scumgames to towngames is a completely random fact and has literally nothing to do with the conclusion made there. I don't know what he wrote there but it kinda becomes something with checking meta.
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@koshi from where I stand:
marv/spik is town (no I dont want to get into a shitfest about it with you)
jurys out of rels and ve teams.
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On March 01 2016 23:41 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@koshi from where I stand:
marv/spik is town (no I dont want to get into a shitfest about it with you)
jurys out of rels and ve teams.
why? you love to call me mafia.
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On March 01 2016 23:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 23:41 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@koshi from where I stand:
marv/spik is town (no I dont want to get into a shitfest about it with you)
jurys out of rels and ve teams. why? you love to call me mafia.
I really don't. It only seems like that because I am paranoid about you. So I may still call you mafia later.
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has marv already said anything about the fefe wagon?
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