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On March 01 2016 11:50 Damdred wrote:Actually yes I was sort of waiting for FF to respond to me in serousness but hes not, and this is the reasoning behind why I asked FF his read on QOB. There are a couple of mindsets that you have as town in a game when someone comes after you, like qob is doing to FF. 1) This person is scum trying to discredit me or try to get a mislynch on me. 2) This person after careful consideration is town whos in a tunnel, but they are still town. Generally especially early in the game mindset one is really prominent especially when information isn't as readily available. Here is what FF said Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 08:53 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 01 2016 08:50 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 08:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
qob why are you being so arrogant? For a player of my stature im being quite humble. I mean, i have found scum, why would i not try to expose them? Please, this is Mafia 101 my friend. Except you have not found scum so your arrogance is misplaced FF instead of trying to figure out QOB alignment or even divulge his read on him automatically takes mindset two. It is hinted at strongly by the sentence structure and how he says it, he sees QOB as being misguided and scum can't be misguided for going after a towny, only a town can be misguided. So FF townreads QOB for going after his team in Sent and FF. I wanted FF to explain his townread, becuase my initial feelings is that FF is scum who slipped because he knows he deserves the pressure.
This is so cool!
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On March 01 2016 21:13 qob wrote:Dont tell me people actually think Team Anal Prolapse is town. I exposed the fuck out of them, end of story. Re-read and look at context if you're unsure. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 21:07 Rels wrote:On March 01 2016 09:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
So my thought process is this, just to clear up any confusion.
In my recent memory, I don't recall Ticktock to have ever played the relaxed jokey beginning. I just recalled him to have very serious posts right from the outset, that's been MY experience with him. So I mentioned being suspicious of him. To check my memory, I went back and checked the games on the TL Mafia Database, because unlike some people in this very game, I can't recall every game every person has been in on command. So I checked the most recent games in his history on the DB. Maybe they're old, and maybe the meta is outdated. Could be, as it's been a while since I've played with Ticktock. All I know is that the database corroborated my memory of Ticktock's towngame. It also a recent mafia game, which admittedly doesn't look much like this game. Others have come to bat saying that his mafia game looks different than this. This is all well and good. But I left my vote because I wanted to hear Ticktock say something more so I could decide if I ultimately DID think he was mafia, as I had originally suspected.
I think it's pretty hilarious that Rels is going off so hard about this. I can see Ticktock being suspicious if he's town, but Rels is just going off, and I think my suspicions have been reasonable. Wow you're so fixed on proving that your read is logical. Like, your goal as town is to find scum. Your reads evolve as you get new infos. Your read made sense before, then I showed it was a bad reason to make a read on TT. You should have re evaluated there. I kinda don't care that your read is logical beforehands. I could understand where you were coming from even if it felt stretched, so it was a little scummy maybe. But you not re evaluting, and now getting stuck on "MY READ MADE SENSE GOD DAMMIT" instead of looking for scums prove you're scum. I think my suspicions have been reasonable. This is the scummiest thing you've said. Even earlier in the day you were fixated on Viscera. I know its a bit hypocritical coming from me, who just shit on Sentinal for like 10 hours, but why not comment on marv vs. Koshi As for me, i talked to sandroba and i personally think Marv is mafia. Thats about it.
I'm not caught up, where I'm at marv did almost nothing and I agree with Koshi that if he continued like that he's very likely scum. But I saw he posted recently so I'll see that when I get there.
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On March 01 2016 21:15 marvellosity wrote:
people make assumptions like that all the time. i do it all the time.
It makes Damdred town. And it is a great point on FF. I mean, maybe it's wrong but it's weird FF assumed qob was misguided town.
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TT WOT on sandroba and qod feels super scummy. Like, it's impossible scum have so many posts that are super questionnable.
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On March 01 2016 19:47 marvellosity wrote:
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Everything Koshi writes here is wrong. *and he should know it is all wrong*. So why is he writing it?
Are you implying he's scum here ?
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On March 01 2016 21:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 21:42 Rels wrote:On March 01 2016 19:47 marvellosity wrote:
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Everything Koshi writes here is wrong. *and he should know it is all wrong*. So why is he writing it?
Are you implying he's scum here ? i was, but i've given up on it based on the dickishness metric and i also read the thread which helps
OK that seemed weird to me 'cause Koshi is super townie.
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On March 01 2016 20:22 marvellosity wrote:
hey Rels, why is VE mafia for blatantly not making sense?
Isn't it a little... blatant?
Look it's you from the past. p:
He GTFO out of the thread as soon as being called out on that. His come back posts are a super scummy defense (BUT I SWEAR I WAS MAKING SENSE BEFORE) and useless stuff.
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On March 01 2016 20:48 Spikasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 20:29 Koshi wrote:
This is what happened at the Faerie House.
Spikasaur: OMG marv my darling, this brilliant player named Koshi from the Team Koshi is on to us. O Lord. What shall we do?
marvellosity: Darling don't worry your pretty head. Even though Koshi is a brilliant player, we got to discredit him. Just call him bad. Just type some random stuff. Just try not to scumclaim.
Spikasaur: Ok I will try.
*5 seconds later*
Spikasaur: Woops, I think I scumslipped.
marvellosity: It's ok my darling, I got this covered, I am going to call him mafia.
Spikasaur: But what should I do darling? I have done what you asked and popped in 10 pages to show activity. But this brilliant and extremely talented Koshi always asks me these hard questions though, I don't know how to answer them.
marvellosity: just type random things sweetie, and try to brush off that scumslip like it was nothing. Act dumb. I am going to read the game and call some obvious townies town to try to get them on my good side.
***To be continued*** Speaking with Marv, apparently you're always a cunt when you play as town, because you're too pussy to be one when mafia. I guess this could further that.
Town.
Marv gave this as a reason to townread Koshi later so it's 100% true htey communicated on that.
They have little reason to communicate on marv's reason to townread Koshi if they are scum.
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On March 01 2016 21:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 21:49 Rels wrote:On March 01 2016 20:22 marvellosity wrote:
hey Rels, why is VE mafia for blatantly not making sense?
Isn't it a little... blatant? Look it's you from the past. p: He GTFO out of the thread as soon as being called out on that. His come back posts are a super scummy defense (BUT I SWEAR I WAS MAKING SENSE BEFORE) and useless stuff. you don't know VE, do you?
Not really. I know he has a reputation of being silly but I think I've never played with him.
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How what I described town indicative for VE ? Here is a summary of scummy stuff:
- having a stretched meta reason to scumread TT (super slight 'cause it's a early D1 read)
- not re evaluating read when said meta reason is proven wrong
- leaving the thread when attacked
- over explaining how his read made sense so he should not be considered scum ever
- being generally usuless
Are all these things actually town indicative for him ?
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Why is sentinel scum ? I have 0 memories of anything he posted.
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On March 01 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:
VE is lockdown town. Jeezus.
Cause he refused to scumread TT right
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On March 01 2016 22:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 22:00 Rels wrote:
Why is sentinel scum ? I have 0 memories of anything he posted. Are you being mafia on purpose?
You're fucking annoying and you're ignored for the rest of the game.
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qob why do you think marv is scum ?
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On March 01 2016 21:32 Felkyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 02:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 01:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 01:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On to less interesting matters - finding out who's town and who isn't. From what we've seen I don't think Koshi/Felkyr are mafia. For the record I didn't see Koshi's post when posting my "1 lurker / 1 active" thing. But usually he has a lot more fun playing town than playing scum, and he doesn't seem serious at all here. let's play a game. First 3 posts of a random other game: On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
Goddamn. I sucked up to so many hosts in my career nobody rolls me mafia anymore.
I am just too friendly. On February 04 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
Maybe I should join a game with BH as host. On February 04 2016 09:05 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote:
Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me? Only if we pretend to be mafia town or mafia? "random" I was actually looking through a list of games where he claimed he was "totes town" and realized that the real culprit was the fact that Koshi isn't scum a lot to begin with. Out of the 45 games in the mafia database (last one being November 2015), he's been scum for 7 of them. And out of the last 19 games in that list, he was scum in 2 of them. So I guess I'm wrong. On March 01 2016 01:48 qob wrote:
Sentinel you can act as if you are not scared, but i can see through your lies.
You can lie to yourself but don't lie to me. Sentinel calls Koshi town for being fun when he's town. He went through a list of 19 games to come to this conclusion, but never actually checked beforehand whether Koshi was town or scum in those games. Only when Marv calls him out he realizes Koshi can also be 'fun' in maffia games but he never bothered to look at those when he was actually making his meta read. Doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 09:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 08:37 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 29 2016 23:34 qob wrote:
I dont like Sentinel.
I know its a newbie game but he just said some obvious stuff.
Then he was trying to be "aggressive" and vote for someone who made a passive comment to them. Lmao what a joke.
They're trying to come off as someone who is aggressive and a proactive townie. I know people vote to get the day going and shit, but his response was awkward to me and his opening comment is no way to get a game going.
If they arent scum then pls improve. why do you keep saying you never scumread him for his jokevote when you clearly did, qob? please re-read, i will not repeat myself again Fecal. On March 01 2016 08:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 01 2016 07:35 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 07:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Still waiting on explanation of this never mafia on mafia. Who is mafia? Or town on town? lol, thats such a dumb quote. Suppose I'm scum. Who are the other 2 scum aside from me and FF, and why is everyone else less scummy than me and FF? Why are you attempting to get my attention off of you? I respect my teammates decision if you really want to know, but what is this pathetic attempt to get me to discuss something else besides your scumhood?And LOL, the reason your scummy is because of your response, ^^^^stuff above, and of course, your fake aggression and opening post which was down right embarrassing to see someone play that poorly. Alright, before I thought you were a little misguided but now I think you're actually hiding something. So if you want to be productive, you actually have to advance the discussion in the thread. So far, you've said nothing new about me, it's not doing anything to convince anyone who isn't convinced, and you're refusing to look for other scum (there's 2 teams in every setup) or justify your scumread(s) by pointing out who isn't. Not clarifying your points for FF doesn't help your case either. Besides that, he's trying to negate Qob's push on him but has done nothing valuable as town, although he's in tread often. His soft-pushing of people seems filter-filling as he never follows it up. Sentinel is only reactive but doesn't try to actually advance the thread himself.
OK these are good points on sentinel.
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Here is where I am:
Town
marv / spike
Koshi / Felkyr
sandro / qob
Maybe town
Damdred / TheCow (Damdred's reason to scumread FF is pretty smart, and his questionning had a purpose)
kush / shape (kush seemed somewhat involved to what was happening)
Maybe scum
VE / bum (VE has only 1 real read which is not evolvoing with thread; bum is useless)
TT / queen (TT reads on sandro / qob are super forced; queen is useless)
Sentinel / FF (see Felkyr point's for sentinel; FF is useless + damdred post on him)
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On March 01 2016 22:28 qob wrote:My partner and my town reads suspect him. I personally havent been focusing on him too much. However after watching him vs. Koshi it was one sided and clear.
Why do you partner scumread him ?
Why was him vs Koshi one sided and clear ? What Koshi arguments do you think are good ?
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On March 01 2016 22:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 22:26 Rels wrote:
Here is where I am:
Town
marv / spike
Koshi / Felkyr
sandro / qob
Maybe town
Damdred / TheCow (Damdred's reason to scumread FF is pretty smart, and his questionning had a purpose)
kush / shape (kush seemed somewhat involved to what was happening)
Maybe scum
VE / bum (VE has only 1 real read which is not evolvoing with thread; bum is useless)
TT / queen (TT reads on sandro / qob are super forced; queen is useless)
Sentinel / FF (see Felkyr point's for sentinel; FF is useless + damdred post on him) marv town? How the fuck?
Your message has not been delivered properly. Your recipient has probably put you in his ignore list.
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On March 01 2016 22:46 qob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 22:36 Rels wrote:On March 01 2016 22:28 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 22:09 Rels wrote:
qob why do you think marv is scum ? My partner and my town reads suspect him. I personally havent been focusing on him too much. However after watching him vs. Koshi it was one sided and clear. Why do you partner scumread him ? Why was him vs Koshi one sided and clear ? What Koshi arguments do you think are good ? I will let my partner speak for themself. Koshi absolutely blew him the fuck out, it was hilarious tbh but i dont want to be a dickrider. Koshi made him stumble over himself. There was no one part i thought was good, i was clear to me that Koshi had the upperhand, in a sense. Do you think Koshi is scum Rels? Also where is Bannon?
Examples ?
No I don't think Koshi is scum. Bannon has posted in the QT 3 hours ago, I have no idea where he is now.
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On March 01 2016 22:57 qob wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 22:46 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 22:36 Rels wrote:On March 01 2016 22:28 qob wrote:On March 01 2016 22:09 Rels wrote:
qob why do you think marv is scum ? My partner and my town reads suspect him. I personally havent been focusing on him too much. However after watching him vs. Koshi it was one sided and clear. Why do you partner scumread him ? Why was him vs Koshi one sided and clear ? What Koshi arguments do you think are good ? I will let my partner speak for themself. Koshi absolutely blew him the fuck out, it was hilarious tbh but i dont want to be a dickrider. Koshi made him stumble over himself. There was no one part i thought was good, i was clear to me that Koshi had the upperhand, in a sense. Do you think Koshi is scum Rels? Also where is Bannon? tell me exactly where i stumbled. or i might just policy vote you for talking gibberish. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 19:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 01 2016 08:10 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 08:05 Tictock wrote:On March 01 2016 08:02 Koshi wrote:On March 01 2016 08:01 Koshi wrote:
Ok maybe VE is mafia after all. I'll reconsider. For the record. I still firmly believe he is most likely town. Mafia is still marv. I know you said it's hard to explain, but why is Marv mafia? Kus he said you'd do stuff if you are town? This is how I could explain it, it's not really good explained but that's kinda it: I think marv is mafia because he is hedging. The post I quoted for instance, he knows I am an easy misslynch atm, he knows Rels is pushing me, so when Sentinel says I am town, he just discredits me by saying "I am obvious town when I am town" which is perfect because when I am obvious town he can just decide to ignore me as mafia. And when I am not being obvious town he just planted this little seed in the head of a person who has me as town. Mafia type play. Normally marv uses that sentence in a totally other context. It is just bad here. He didn't help anybody writing that down. Just like he didn't help anybody writing down those 3 quotes from a game in which I was mafia. He is just planting seeds. Nowhere in marv his filter he has me as mafia. He is just suggesting it very shadowly. Which is very unlike marv. All this is wrong. To the bolded. I am so hedgey when I am town I make posts such as these: On February 06 2015 20:54 marvellosity wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.009.cd2.com/members/how_to/images13/7.jpg) Like, I literally post hedges. Koshi *is* obvious town when he is town. I ended up scumreading him last time we played together because he looked kinda townie but he wasn't "obvious" town. He was mafia. It was a correct heuristic. It will continue to be a correct heuristic. He didn't help anybody writing that down. Just like he didn't help anybody writing down those 3 quotes from a game in which I was mafia. He is just planting seeds. Bad. I play little games all the time as town. I love little games. I have incredibly fond memories of playing games with Palmar in Rock Band where I kept quoting things from previous games with "town or mafia?". Bet you can't find me doing this as mafia. I can provide examples as town. Koshi should know this. The point, which was obvious, was that Sentinel was making a poor meta read and I was correcting him on it. And Sentinel admitted himself, replying to my post, that it was incorrect. So I made him rescind his incorrect read. How is this bad? Everything Koshi writes here is wrong. *and he should know it is all wrong*. So why is he writing it? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/504019-team-melee-mini-mafia-vi-newbies-and-vets?user=marvellosity&page=2Clearly you were flustered. This is no gibberish, its just facts. You're scum, arent you?
So marv defended every point Koshi made. What points do you think were badly defended ? 'cause I agree with marv that Koshi's reasons were bad. Like, marv could have been scum if he was not implicated in the game; it has nothing to do with hedging or calling Koshi an obvious-townie-when-he-is-town.
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