1. I agree with Darth, I feel his read on Breshke at the time makes sense. Mainly because there was not a lot to go off of. And the votes count, while misleading, could just be a simple mistake on Darth's behalf. I do not understand how it would help scum to lie about VC when it is so easy to look at. 2. I can understand Darths defense and questioning about Rel's VA read. I do not think, however, Rels fabricated it in anyway to TR VA while bussing Breshke. Especially when FF or VA could of been pushed for lack of content Etc at that point. 3. Darth logics makes sense. 4. I agree with Rels, I personally feel like Darth is spending to much time defending himself. But What else is he going to do? Half the thread (if not all of it) is scum reading him. But He could be finding more holes etc. while proving his town stats. Darth did jump ahead however and answer 5 in his response to 4. (Meta reads help cause theses btw.) 5. He did read them. 6. I think Darth should I have a read at this point (maybe not on LS because not a whole lot for a newbie to go off of.) But it makes sense for Darth to point out scum things (just like I have been doing with my cell) 7. 2 ponts that are NAI are, guess what NAI! Darth could of cited the vote timing of rel btw....
Darth OMGUS on Rels: Really NAI, Scum Darth would be trying to ML Rels if he saw a opening. Town Darth Is prob. pissed at Rels. Rels not wanting to use the Obs power being Scummy:Could be tbh., It is a weak power. If we are going ot use it, Rik needs to use it now.
On February 27 2016 09:35 ritoky wrote: i know my read on LS is awful, but he literally has given 0 fucks toward finding scum, and once he spammed caps and got his freebie town reads he has pretty much checked out mentally.....meanwhile you got 2 guys making cases out their asses....but for some fucking reason neither even considers LS possible...just blows my fucking mind.
On February 27 2016 09:35 ritoky wrote: i know my read on LS is awful, but he literally has given 0 fucks toward finding scum, and once he spammed caps and got his freebie town reads he has pretty much checked out mentally.....meanwhile you got 2 guys making cases out their asses....but for some fucking reason neither even considers LS possible...just blows my fucking mind.
i read rels' case against darth and his case for LS (self cases are stupid and no-one ever reads them) and still the only good point in the darth case is the one about how he declares me town leader and calls rels scum when the difference between our reads was minor at most. that could be scum indicative because of the uneven standard of judgment. but the rest of the case is a giant pile of meh to me.
his case for LS is literally still "he typed in caps, meta ez". i mean i don't mean to grossly oversimplify it, but that really is the core of it. which is such a horseshit read that even if it is true will never convince me in any game ever of anyone's alignment. especially if they know about it and can easily replicate it.
Like I said Ritoky I had darth by PoE before their cases(I thought Rels was town by meta alone) and I not a good case maker myself(even though I did make cases on people that actually were scum but they were terrible cases) plus activity been low today so(shrugs).
On February 27 2016 09:39 ritoky wrote: i read rels' case against darth and his case for LS (self cases are stupid and no-one ever reads them) and still the only good point in the darth case is the one about how he declares me town leader and calls rels scum when the difference between our reads was minor at most. that could be scum indicative because of the uneven standard of judgment. but the rest of the case is a giant pile of meh to me.
his case for LS is literally still "he typed in caps, meta ez". i mean i don't mean to grossly oversimplify it, but that really is the core of it. which is such a horseshit read that even if it is true will never convince me in any game ever of anyone's alignment. especially if they know about it and can easily replicate it.
You have read Rels intro reads right? where half is almost pure meta reads? Funny enough, If he meta me, I prob. be town on that listen b/c I do not think in Newbie XIX I had a big Null list....
On February 27 2016 09:39 ritoky wrote: i read rels' case against darth and his case for LS (self cases are stupid and no-one ever reads them) and still the only good point in the darth case is the one about how he declares me town leader and calls rels scum when the difference between our reads was minor at most. that could be scum indicative because of the uneven standard of judgment. but the rest of the case is a giant pile of meh to me.
his case for LS is literally still "he typed in caps, meta ez". i mean i don't mean to grossly oversimplify it, but that really is the core of it. which is such a horseshit read that even if it is true will never convince me in any game ever of anyone's alignment. especially if they know about it and can easily replicate it.
You have read Rels intro reads right? where half is almost pure meta reads? Funny enough, If he meta me, I prob. be town on that listen b/c I do not think in Newbie XIX I had a big Null list....
On February 27 2016 09:42 LightningStrike wrote: Like I said Ritoky I had darth by PoE before their cases(I thought Rels was town by meta alone) and I not a good case maker myself(even though I did make cases on people that actually were scum but they were terrible cases) plus activity been low today so(shrugs).
so what, find scum in other cells. give opinions earlier in the game about cell order and other cells. find things you think are suspicious. push for answers. like you're doing none of your super active normal shit. you're reminding me of rsoul as mafia, just do all your tells, make friends, make jokes, no1 will ever notice!
On February 27 2016 09:39 ritoky wrote: i read rels' case against darth and his case for LS (self cases are stupid and no-one ever reads them) and still the only good point in the darth case is the one about how he declares me town leader and calls rels scum when the difference between our reads was minor at most. that could be scum indicative because of the uneven standard of judgment. but the rest of the case is a giant pile of meh to me.
his case for LS is literally still "he typed in caps, meta ez". i mean i don't mean to grossly oversimplify it, but that really is the core of it. which is such a horseshit read that even if it is true will never convince me in any game ever of anyone's alignment. especially if they know about it and can easily replicate it.
You have read Rels intro reads right? where half is almost pure meta reads? Funny enough, If he meta me, I prob. be town on that listen b/c I do not think in Newbie XIX I had a big Null list....
Nope not as far I can read.
Did I? I can not really remember. I only remember D4 and D5 really.
On February 27 2016 09:42 LightningStrike wrote: Like I said Ritoky I had darth by PoE before their cases(I thought Rels was town by meta alone) and I not a good case maker myself(even though I did make cases on people that actually were scum but they were terrible cases) plus activity been low today so(shrugs).
so what, find scum in other cells. give opinions earlier in the game about cell order and other cells. find things you think are suspicious. push for answers. like you're doing none of your super active normal shit. you're reminding me of rsoul as mafia, just do all your tells, make friends, make jokes, no1 will ever notice!
I already gave my thoughts about the other Cells? Didn't help no one was really around this Cycle.
On February 27 2016 09:39 ritoky wrote: i read rels' case against darth and his case for LS (self cases are stupid and no-one ever reads them) and still the only good point in the darth case is the one about how he declares me town leader and calls rels scum when the difference between our reads was minor at most. that could be scum indicative because of the uneven standard of judgment. but the rest of the case is a giant pile of meh to me.
his case for LS is literally still "he typed in caps, meta ez". i mean i don't mean to grossly oversimplify it, but that really is the core of it. which is such a horseshit read that even if it is true will never convince me in any game ever of anyone's alignment. especially if they know about it and can easily replicate it.
You have read Rels intro reads right? where half is almost pure meta reads? Funny enough, If he meta me, I prob. be town on that listen b/c I do not think in Newbie XIX I had a big Null list....
Nope not as far I can read.
Did I? I can not really remember. I only remember D4 and D5 really.
Oh I thought you were asking me about Rel's Intro Reads list. I was saying nope about him using meta on that lol.
On February 27 2016 09:39 ritoky wrote: i read rels' case against darth and his case for LS (self cases are stupid and no-one ever reads them) and still the only good point in the darth case is the one about how he declares me town leader and calls rels scum when the difference between our reads was minor at most. that could be scum indicative because of the uneven standard of judgment. but the rest of the case is a giant pile of meh to me.
his case for LS is literally still "he typed in caps, meta ez". i mean i don't mean to grossly oversimplify it, but that really is the core of it. which is such a horseshit read that even if it is true will never convince me in any game ever of anyone's alignment. especially if they know about it and can easily replicate it.
You have read Rels intro reads right? where half is almost pure meta reads? Funny enough, If he meta me, I prob. be town on that listen b/c I do not think in Newbie XIX I had a big Null list....
Nope not as far I can read.
Did I? I can not really remember. I only remember D4 and D5 really.
Oh I thought you were asking me about Rel's Intro Reads list. I was saying nope about him using meta on that lol.
On February 24 2016 22:46 Rels wrote: My reads:
VA => aggressivly posting his thoughts and scumreads FF => kinda useless, don't know. Hope he's chosen by 50/50 if he's town. Breshke => his posts N0 are scum indicative. Questions that are useless or do not lead anywhere, only for the 3 hours that followed the game start. After that, only posted after his cell was chosen as the first to go. Will vote Breshke for now.
DF => useless LS => no idea one way or another, it will become clear when he is up for lynch. Would like Damdred's read on him.
Vivax =>has one weird post, but reading his filter has good posts on Shape + this post, where he says the opposite of waht he means (starts with OWS could be scum for that read progression, ends with I can undersatnd his read progression), which is town indicative kush => he cares => town. Only re evaluate if he tryharded and gives up from now on. bum => useless.
OWS => sexy and aggressive like in PYP. Damdred => rsoultin "Damdred emo => Damdred town" + implication to solve the game. Shape => This post was super bad. Like, every explanation for his reads are either bad or obvious; AND THERE IS NO TOWNREAD. Every "townfeel" is balanced by something. In short, Shape is giving himself outs to scumread people. His unwilligness to townread Damdred is scummy. He also posted something about "Damdred wanting to waste the 50/50 on our group" several times, which is nonsense but in line with scum not wanting to deal with 50/50 in his group.
ritoky => lots of question like in his last town game + using his meta to read people he can meta (me, DF, LS ...); as scum in outlaw he didn't do that. SL => bad feeling about him. Super, super different from his last town game where he was obvious town very early on. SL is hard to read though sometimes. kura => instant vote on ritoky, with shitty explanation. He didn't say "I don't care if mayor is scum" as his first explanation (which would be believable), he said "ritoky's odds of being scum are the same as everyone else", which implies that he cares that mayor is not scum; but he voted ritoky when he did not have a read on neither ritoky nor SL.
At least 3 are just meta LS......I thought it was more, But i was wrong. moots my point, but still.
On February 27 2016 09:39 ritoky wrote: i read rels' case against darth and his case for LS (self cases are stupid and no-one ever reads them) and still the only good point in the darth case is the one about how he declares me town leader and calls rels scum when the difference between our reads was minor at most. that could be scum indicative because of the uneven standard of judgment. but the rest of the case is a giant pile of meh to me.
his case for LS is literally still "he typed in caps, meta ez". i mean i don't mean to grossly oversimplify it, but that really is the core of it. which is such a horseshit read that even if it is true will never convince me in any game ever of anyone's alignment. especially if they know about it and can easily replicate it.
You have read Rels intro reads right? where half is almost pure meta reads? Funny enough, If he meta me, I prob. be town on that listen b/c I do not think in Newbie XIX I had a big Null list....
Nope not as far I can read.
Did I? I can not really remember. I only remember D4 and D5 really.
Oh I thought you were asking me about Rel's Intro Reads list. I was saying nope about him using meta on that lol.
VA => aggressivly posting his thoughts and scumreads FF => kinda useless, don't know. Hope he's chosen by 50/50 if he's town. Breshke => his posts N0 are scum indicative. Questions that are useless or do not lead anywhere, only for the 3 hours that followed the game start. After that, only posted after his cell was chosen as the first to go. Will vote Breshke for now.
DF => useless LS => no idea one way or another, it will become clear when he is up for lynch. Would like Damdred's read on him.
Vivax =>has one weird post, but reading his filter has good posts on Shape + this post, where he says the opposite of waht he means (starts with OWS could be scum for that read progression, ends with I can undersatnd his read progression), which is town indicative kush => he cares => town. Only re evaluate if he tryharded and gives up from now on. bum => useless.
OWS => sexy and aggressive like in PYP. Damdred => rsoultin "Damdred emo => Damdred town" + implication to solve the game. Shape => This post was super bad. Like, every explanation for his reads are either bad or obvious; AND THERE IS NO TOWNREAD. Every "townfeel" is balanced by something. In short, Shape is giving himself outs to scumread people. His unwilligness to townread Damdred is scummy. He also posted something about "Damdred wanting to waste the 50/50 on our group" several times, which is nonsense but in line with scum not wanting to deal with 50/50 in his group.
ritoky => lots of question like in his last town game + using his meta to read people he can meta (me, DF, LS ...); as scum in outlaw he didn't do that. SL => bad feeling about him. Super, super different from his last town game where he was obvious town very early on. SL is hard to read though sometimes. kura => instant vote on ritoky, with shitty explanation. He didn't say "I don't care if mayor is scum" as his first explanation (which would be believable), he said "ritoky's odds of being scum are the same as everyone else", which implies that he cares that mayor is not scum; but he voted ritoky when he did not have a read on neither ritoky nor SL.
At least 3 are just meta LS......I thought it was more, But i was wrong. moots my point, but still.
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