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On February 27 2016 09:55 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2016 09:54 Shapelog wrote:On February 27 2016 09:50 LightningStrike wrote:On February 27 2016 09:48 Shapelog wrote:On February 27 2016 09:47 LightningStrike wrote:On February 27 2016 09:44 Shapelog wrote:On February 27 2016 09:39 ritoky wrote:
i read rels' case against darth and his case for LS (self cases are stupid and no-one ever reads them) and still the only good point in the darth case is the one about how he declares me town leader and calls rels scum when the difference between our reads was minor at most. that could be scum indicative because of the uneven standard of judgment. but the rest of the case is a giant pile of meh to me.
his case for LS is literally still "he typed in caps, meta ez". i mean i don't mean to grossly oversimplify it, but that really is the core of it. which is such a horseshit read that even if it is true will never convince me in any game ever of anyone's alignment. especially if they know about it and can easily replicate it. You have read Rels intro reads right? where half is almost pure meta reads? Funny enough, If he meta me, I prob. be town on that listen b/c I do not think in Newbie XIX I had a big Null list.... Nope not as far I can read. Did I? I can not really remember. I only remember D4 and D5 really. Oh I thought you were asking me about Rel's Intro Reads list. I was saying nope about him using meta on that lol. On February 24 2016 22:46 Rels wrote:My reads: VA => aggressivly posting his thoughts and scumreads FF => kinda useless, don't know. Hope he's chosen by 50/50 if he's town. Breshke => his posts N0 are scum indicative. Questions that are useless or do not lead anywhere, only for the 3 hours that followed the game start. After that, only posted after his cell was chosen as the first to go. Will vote Breshke for now. DF => useless LS => no idea one way or another, it will become clear when he is up for lynch. Would like Damdred's read on him. Vivax =>has one weird post, but reading his filter has good posts on Shape + this post, where he says the opposite of waht he means (starts with OWS could be scum for that read progression, ends with I can undersatnd his read progression), which is town indicative kush => he cares => town. Only re evaluate if he tryharded and gives up from now on.bum => useless. OWS => sexy and aggressive like in PYP.Damdred => rsoultin "Damdred emo => Damdred town" + implication to solve the game.Shape => This post was super bad. Like, every explanation for his reads are either bad or obvious; AND THERE IS NO TOWNREAD. Every "townfeel" is balanced by something. In short, Shape is giving himself outs to scumread people. His unwilligness to townread Damdred is scummy. He also posted something about "Damdred wanting to waste the 50/50 on our group" several times, which is nonsense but in line with scum not wanting to deal with 50/50 in his group. ritoky => lots of question like in his last town game + using his meta to read people he can meta (me, DF, LS ...); as scum in outlaw he didn't do that. SL => bad feeling about him. Super, super different from his last town game where he was obvious town very early on. SL is hard to read though sometimes. kura => instant vote on ritoky, with shitty explanation. He didn't say "I don't care if mayor is scum" as his first explanation (which would be believable), he said "ritoky's odds of being scum are the same as everyone else", which implies that he cares that mayor is not scum; but he voted ritoky when he did not have a read on neither ritoky nor SL. At least 3 are just meta LS......I thought it was more, But i was wrong. moots my point, but still. You said 5 so I get the point 
Im Southern so Lets do a 3/5ths compromise.....
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On February 27 2016 09:58 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2016 09:55 LightningStrike wrote:On February 27 2016 09:54 Shapelog wrote:On February 27 2016 09:50 LightningStrike wrote:On February 27 2016 09:48 Shapelog wrote:On February 27 2016 09:47 LightningStrike wrote:On February 27 2016 09:44 Shapelog wrote:On February 27 2016 09:39 ritoky wrote:
i read rels' case against darth and his case for LS (self cases are stupid and no-one ever reads them) and still the only good point in the darth case is the one about how he declares me town leader and calls rels scum when the difference between our reads was minor at most. that could be scum indicative because of the uneven standard of judgment. but the rest of the case is a giant pile of meh to me.
his case for LS is literally still "he typed in caps, meta ez". i mean i don't mean to grossly oversimplify it, but that really is the core of it. which is such a horseshit read that even if it is true will never convince me in any game ever of anyone's alignment. especially if they know about it and can easily replicate it. You have read Rels intro reads right? where half is almost pure meta reads? Funny enough, If he meta me, I prob. be town on that listen b/c I do not think in Newbie XIX I had a big Null list.... Nope not as far I can read. Did I? I can not really remember. I only remember D4 and D5 really. Oh I thought you were asking me about Rel's Intro Reads list. I was saying nope about him using meta on that lol. On February 24 2016 22:46 Rels wrote:My reads: VA => aggressivly posting his thoughts and scumreads FF => kinda useless, don't know. Hope he's chosen by 50/50 if he's town. Breshke => his posts N0 are scum indicative. Questions that are useless or do not lead anywhere, only for the 3 hours that followed the game start. After that, only posted after his cell was chosen as the first to go. Will vote Breshke for now. DF => useless LS => no idea one way or another, it will become clear when he is up for lynch. Would like Damdred's read on him. Vivax =>has one weird post, but reading his filter has good posts on Shape + this post, where he says the opposite of waht he means (starts with OWS could be scum for that read progression, ends with I can undersatnd his read progression), which is town indicative kush => he cares => town. Only re evaluate if he tryharded and gives up from now on.bum => useless. OWS => sexy and aggressive like in PYP.Damdred => rsoultin "Damdred emo => Damdred town" + implication to solve the game.Shape => This post was super bad. Like, every explanation for his reads are either bad or obvious; AND THERE IS NO TOWNREAD. Every "townfeel" is balanced by something. In short, Shape is giving himself outs to scumread people. His unwilligness to townread Damdred is scummy. He also posted something about "Damdred wanting to waste the 50/50 on our group" several times, which is nonsense but in line with scum not wanting to deal with 50/50 in his group. ritoky => lots of question like in his last town game + using his meta to read people he can meta (me, DF, LS ...); as scum in outlaw he didn't do that. SL => bad feeling about him. Super, super different from his last town game where he was obvious town very early on. SL is hard to read though sometimes. kura => instant vote on ritoky, with shitty explanation. He didn't say "I don't care if mayor is scum" as his first explanation (which would be believable), he said "ritoky's odds of being scum are the same as everyone else", which implies that he cares that mayor is not scum; but he voted ritoky when he did not have a read on neither ritoky nor SL. At least 3 are just meta LS......I thought it was more, But i was wrong. moots my point, but still. You said 5 so I get the point Im Southern so Lets do a 3/5ths compromise.....
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On February 27 2016 09:54 LightningStrike wrote:
So ritoky since you are here comment on my reads that I had posted?
On February 26 2016 05:43 LightningStrike wrote:Warning Wall of Text: Okay here are my reads now: Cell A: Ritoky-Town: I liked his posts for the most part and he actually tried to stir discussion up. Sicklucker-Null: I lost my ability to read him after Linux  kur-Either Newbie Town or Scum: I like some of his posts but I also don't like some of them. I will need to prod him and sicklucker to see who the scum are in this Cell. Cell B: OWS-Town: It feels like town OWS here and I like some of his posts. Damdred-Town: Emotional Damdred is Town Damdred plus he tried to stir up discussion too. Shape-PoE Scum: Unfortunately you are my scum by PoE in that cell I know you just played a scum game recently(Will check it) but I just think OWS and Damdred are townier than you <3 though Cell C: Me-Towm: I know my alignment obviously lol. Rels-Town: Rels as scum was more into buddying people and plus angry Rels is town Rels too. I also liked most of his posts so far. Darth-Scum: PoE Scum probably a newbie scum. His content was kinda meh in my opinion. Cell D: FF-Town: Confirmed via 50-50 much more carefree than the last few games I had played with him. VA-Null Townlean: I honestly dislike his filter but it not as bad as Breshke in my mind. If I wrong on anyone in this cell it's VA I don't know how to read properly. Breshke-Scum: Never tried to defend himself after the 50-50 happened and never explained why VA was the scum. Cell E: kush-town: Tryhard kush is town kush plus his probing seems townie. Vivax-Town: Seems to be a little bit more tryhard plus he already had tried to do a tinfoil which he normally does as town.(Him and Shape should be best friends lol) Bum-scum: PoE Scum He misrepresented me hard about FF rage quitting when it was Sicklucker who told FF to stop posting. Plus his content been meh for a Vet player.
gladly
ritoky - easiest read to make in the game
SL - non-committal and non-helpful
kura - promises made about prodding and doing shit that never actually got done
OWS - "feels like town" much specific
damdred - more feelings
shape - poe scum, but hey let me promise to read his filter and never actually do anything substantive with it + let me spam 3 pages of my filter making useless joke posts with him. there's no better way to spend time!
rels - town cuz anger more tone/emotion, no proof
darth - poe
kush - town cuz tryhard...terrible read and is wrong
vivax - town cuz tryhard, slightly better than above
bum - poe
so all of your scum reads are poe, all of your town reads are meta or emotion, and every player you think is scum happens to be the players in this game who are people who would qualify as new players or LHF in their cell; plus the effort level in these reads is minimal.
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like i am probably just wrong and LS isn't mafia and damdred will come in here and bitch smack me into reality but i just don't see it....he's promising things and not delivering on them when he clearly has the time to do so, he is pretty much exclusively concerned with being town read and then could give 2 shits which is survivalist mindset aka scum, and his reads are just simplistic blahhhhhhh with no depth and targeting LHF.....
and him typing in capslock is supposed to overrule all of that shit that just isn't town behavior? i will never be able to properly read him if that's just how it is.
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the main problem i am having here is that my primary reason for scum reading rels is his take on his cell.
he had no reads early on but had a read on everyone else in the game, which felt strange to me because there's the other two should have a 50% chance of being scum to him so he should focus on them more (considering they were going to go in the first 3). then LS comes in and does caps and rels is like "bam lock town, never look back, darth is scum". which to me is and forever will be a horseshit read. from there he starts building a case on darth and basically makes anything and everything darth says = he is scum. which reads bad to me because there's no open-mindedness and it is over garbage.
but the more rels types the more i really do think he believes his read on LS is like god tier accurate and just right. which then kinda makes the rest of his play super sensible because he believes with probably 99% certainty he found scum and it's just a matter of convincing everyone.
but the thing with darth is that i just feel like he is town.....new players don't tend to make progressions like this as scum:
On February 25 2016 05:58 ritoky wrote:
i disagree with you though i think there's a very real chance darth is town. that post i quoted recently is pretty town. he basically says:
here are LS's reads -> oh wow they line up fairly close to mine -> wait a second, he thinks i am more mafia than rels -> shouldn't he think the opposite if he agrees with me and disagrees with rels? -> pressure him on this point.
that's a pretty town line of play.
esp when they were so bad in their previous iteration. the literal only thing holding me back from hard defending him and fighting people over thinking he is town is his read on me vs rels regarding VA.
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which leaves me at LS, who i think has taken an overwhelming town read that most of the game seems to understand but even after multiple games with him i cannot seem to grasp, and done piss all with it.
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now if you'll excuse me i have to go finish making my pollo en mole for a special occaision
damdred you need to bitch smack me if i am floating in space right now, or someone does cuz this is like a wall for me that i probably won't be able to get past myself.
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Certainly doesn't help that Rels is one of the best scum players on site
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ritoky are you good at reading ls?
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On February 27 2016 10:08 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2016 09:54 LightningStrike wrote:
So ritoky since you are here comment on my reads that I had posted? Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 05:43 LightningStrike wrote:Warning Wall of Text: Okay here are my reads now: Cell A: Ritoky-Town: I liked his posts for the most part and he actually tried to stir discussion up. Sicklucker-Null: I lost my ability to read him after Linux kur-Either Newbie Town or Scum: I like some of his posts but I also don't like some of them. I will need to prod him and sicklucker to see who the scum are in this Cell. Cell B: OWS-Town: It feels like town OWS here and I like some of his posts. Damdred-Town: Emotional Damdred is Town Damdred plus he tried to stir up discussion too. Shape-PoE Scum: Unfortunately you are my scum by PoE in that cell I know you just played a scum game recently(Will check it) but I just think OWS and Damdred are townier than you <3 though Cell C: Me-Towm: I know my alignment obviously lol. Rels-Town: Rels as scum was more into buddying people and plus angry Rels is town Rels too. I also liked most of his posts so far. Darth-Scum: PoE Scum probably a newbie scum. His content was kinda meh in my opinion. Cell D: FF-Town: Confirmed via 50-50 much more carefree than the last few games I had played with him. VA-Null Townlean: I honestly dislike his filter but it not as bad as Breshke in my mind. If I wrong on anyone in this cell it's VA I don't know how to read properly. Breshke-Scum: Never tried to defend himself after the 50-50 happened and never explained why VA was the scum. Cell E: kush-town: Tryhard kush is town kush plus his probing seems townie. Vivax-Town: Seems to be a little bit more tryhard plus he already had tried to do a tinfoil which he normally does as town.(Him and Shape should be best friends lol) Bum-scum: PoE Scum He misrepresented me hard about FF rage quitting when it was Sicklucker who told FF to stop posting. Plus his content been meh for a Vet player. gladly ritoky - easiest read to make in the game SL - non-committal and non-helpful kura - promises made about prodding and doing shit that never actually got done OWS - "feels like town" much specific damdred - more feelings shape - poe scum, but hey let me promise to read his filter and never actually do anything substantive with it + let me spam 3 pages of my filter making useless joke posts with him. there's no better way to spend time! rels - town cuz anger more tone/emotion, no proof darth - poe kush - town cuz tryhard...terrible read and is wrong vivax - town cuz tryhard, slightly better than above bum - poe so all of your scum reads are poe, all of your town reads are meta or emotion, and every player you think is scum happens to be the players in this game who are people who would qualify as new players or LHF in their cell; plus the effort level in these reads is minimal.
True they are for the most part PoE. Also about emotional Rels: In Nutcracker when he was town he actually had a shit fight with town Shape being angry and shit vs Shape and also had another shit fight with TT later hence how I got that meta read on him.
The read his filter about about his only scum game on TL(shit man this filter to fucking long I really hope Shape spam less the next time he rolls scum >.<) The sicklucker read: I will admit I actually did lose my ability to read him properly after Linux and after that game I had lost most of my meta tells on him being town :\
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On February 27 2016 10:08 ritoky wrote:
shape - poe scum, but hey let me promise to read his filter and never actually do anything substantive with it + let me spam 3 pages of my filter making useless joke posts with him. there's no better way to spend time!
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On February 27 2016 10:44 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
ritoky are you good at reading ls?
Nope he never actually able to read me by himself he needs Damdred and girls to read me(he keeps saying girls have good ways to read me even thoguh I fooled HTS and rsoultin in JOAT).
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Fight Me bro!!!! You were my Original Tinfoilee.
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On February 27 2016 10:52 Shapelog wrote:
Fight Me bro!!!! You were my Original Tinfoilee.
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What the hell man the gif I just posted isn't working -.-(it was suppose to be the who me gif)
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girls are the secret weapon powerful enough to defeat scum ls.
ritoky, without girls we are useless.
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On February 27 2016 10:55 Shapelog wrote:
I can be a girl.....
In bed.
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But seriously though Damdred does read me pretty well. The only time he called me scum when I was town when he was town was Dark Tournament but that was it.
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EPT
