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On February 27 2016 08:35 Vivax wrote:
I feel super paranoid about this wagon, so you don't have to worry about me afk parking my vote on you, darth.
Thanks. At the end of the day, if you truly feel me most scummy, i won't hold it against you. I just urge against lazy voting in this cell particularly because of what it could mean for town if we go up 2:0. Town has never won one of these.
Willing to answer questions and whatnot until the deadline because i'm not damn mafia
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Also gonna look into why rels and LS are town reading each other so hard. One of them is fabricating their read. Guess Damdred was right about me being lynchbait 
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It's not fucking me. For people with more experience with town!Rels, I know this is not gonna hold completely true because of the theme to this game, but is he known for tunneling and clearing people based off of the type of stuff he's cleared LS? I'm gonna look into the way LS played in Star Wars once he replaced Onegu, but if I recall he was much more involved in clearing himself/finding scum. Will read his filter for that game
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Does anyone object to using the audience power on this cell? If so, why?
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On February 24 2016 22:46 Rels wrote:
My reads:
VA => aggressively posting his thoughts and scumreads
How are these similar reads? Unless I misunderstood Rels and he meant aggressive = dickish/obstinate when I thought he meant aggessively scumhunting. If that's the case then I've been completely misunderstanding Rels's initial read on VA
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The only reason I started defending myself is because cell 1 was basically decided and there was little productive discussion about it for the last 6-12 hours of the cell. The flow of the conversation naturally went to cell 2, given that cell 1 was a foregone conclusion.
Not sure what bad yet convenient reads I've made, unless you're literally talking about Breshke, which I've already talked about in depth.
I stand by my reasoning that it never made sense for mafia to do anything but buss Breshke
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I've asked multiple times if people have other questions for me but it always comes back to you're scum, defend yourself!
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Idk, considering I need Rels to confirm what he meant. I wanna know what meant Rels by aggressive. I can't answer that until Rels does
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On February 27 2016 23:24 nooniansoong wrote:
Ya Darth is scum. So much defense and very little thought put into who in his cell is scum.
Scum is demotivated because they can see that they are getting rolled and they can't defend their team or they will look terrible.
Lol try me, i'll post my reads for the other cells in a bit.
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Cell E (from most scum to least scum)
1. Vivax - His play has been very solid I think, organic reads and he's been a bit tinfoily which you guys say makes him town
2. Kush - I say scum lean. He already has 9 pages of filter which may be important to note b/c meta. I've seen a couple(?) scum games of his and he rarely puts in the type of effort he's show here. Filter page 5, calls LS out for "generic bs" but doesn't draw any conclusions; he's had both Rels and LS on his braglists, with barely ANYTHING about me being scum.
On February 25 2016 22:33 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Looking forward to rels/darth/LS, I've narrowed it down to rels vs LS.
Rels - pushing superficial cases.
LS - a meta black hole. I don't recall every experiencing scumLS and townLS always looks scummy to me. So just approaching his filter without meta, I think I like it.
Therefore I will probably be voting rels.
On February 27 2016 23:24 nooniansoong wrote:
Ya Darth is scum. So much defense and very little thought put into who in his cell is scum.
Scum is demotivated because they can see that they are getting rolled and they can't defend their team or they will look terrible.
It's funny he calls me demotivated, but earlier he said I was On February 25 2016 23:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 22:44 Rels wrote:
kush
Why is DF town ?
Why is Damdred scum ?
What superciality are you talking about and why does it make me scum ? I said those things mostly without being informed but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. 1 DF is town because ... he's making himself really available, engaging in conversation, talking about his reads a lot.
Don't think i've become less active or demotivated. Odd read progression, but covers his bases when I flip town-- which I will.
3. bumatlarge - Best bet for flipping scum right now. I think the biggest indication of this is that he has yet to take a firm stand on my cell. Just so you know, he's sort of implied every single cell C person is scummy in some way, but hasn't committed to his read on anyone. Take a look at his filter, it's pretty ass.
Cell B
OWS - Meh his filter has been very lackluster regarding cell C; hasn't committed to anything except the conventional wisdom from everyone that LS isn't mafia l0l. Pretty sure this cell is between Shapelog and OWS
Damdred - Towniest in this cell, which isn't saying that much but I am relatively confident in this read. His gameplay just seems like a town game where in regular rules he'd be n0 or n1 nk'd.
Shapelog - A lot of his play has been trash. This post is the most obvious cherrypick to imply i'm scum here he blames deleting half of my quote that HE quoted on him being tired. So bad. Also here he seems to really defend me, but doesn't draw a conclusion or actually defend me. Looks like he's trying to claim town cred when I flip town without doing anything to really push the other two players in my cell, which he should be doing if he thinks i'm town. Either Shape or OWS
Cell A
ritoky - I think he's probably the most town person in this game. If he's mafia i'm going to be hurt physically and emotionally. Good play from the beginning to now, including him continually talking about LS in a way most people haven't. Only thing that's weird is that he didn't use audience on this cell, citing him sheeping other people's opinions which I don't think is normal town!ritoky?
sicklucker - On February 26 2016 07:02 sicklucker wrote:
darth i wanna hear alot from you today. your in a weird spot because your vs two of my only townreads. But I dont acualy scum read you?. im voting you now but it could change
Posted this almost 2 days ago, and barely has any posts since. Doens't seem like he was ever going to not vote for me, and his inactivity with such a hard cell and potential 2:0 on the line is super sus imo.
Another weird ass post earlier - On February 26 2016 06:25 sicklucker wrote:
rels can be town I liked his line of questioning and im suspect of it too.My spot is so weird im not even sure if I should defend or even talk myself in thread because if my cell ever comes into play none of you will have a say in it anyway.
tl;dr Basically none of his posts have actually solved anything.
Kuragari - I just read through his last post and part of me wants to think he's town because he's come to the conclusion that I am not mafia which is correct. Parking his vote on LS and peacing is weird considering the flip is going to be here within the time he's gone, and he already admits that everyone is basically between 45-55 scum-town or vice versa. Seems like a safe vote and he'll get town cred he needs when i flip town, because he was getting scum read by quite a few people after cell 1.
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On February 28 2016 03:40 Damdred wrote:
Here's what's bothering me when I look through darths filter.
He's pretty indecisive between ls and Rels before Rels cases him. He then cases Rels back, and discards the notion of ls being scum and just centers on Rels. He even asks ls if he thinks Darth is scum and just tells him he's wrong.
I think my question is what made you lose any paranoia of ls darth? And why did it 100% have to be Rels from your perspective no matter what?
It's not that I lost paranoia of LS. It's just that I have found serious flaws in his case on me that I don't seem coming from town!Rels. Basically he's found ANYTHING i've done scummy which is why I asked if town!Rels is knowing for tunneling someone and never considering other shit-- don't think anyone ever answered that. If his town meta is known for that, I become a lot less sure on my scum!Rels read. I do find it very weird that LS is resigned to letting me and Rels beat each other up... this cell is fucking hard which is why I wanted to use audience. Really annoyed we didn't use it.
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it's hard to win a really hard cell 2 when 4/12 are still actively trying to fuck the town over
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Fact is Shapelog has consistently defended me without drawing conclusions recently, but he still hasn't voted on anyone
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On February 28 2016 05:14 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2016 04:09 darthfoley wrote:On February 28 2016 03:40 Damdred wrote:
Here's what's bothering me when I look through darths filter.
He's pretty indecisive between ls and Rels before Rels cases him. He then cases Rels back, and discards the notion of ls being scum and just centers on Rels. He even asks ls if he thinks Darth is scum and just tells him he's wrong.
I think my question is what made you lose any paranoia of ls darth? And why did it 100% have to be Rels from your perspective no matter what? It's not that I lost paranoia of LS. It's just that I have found serious flaws in his case on me that I don't seem coming from town!Rels. Basically he's found ANYTHING i've done scummy which is why I asked if town!Rels is knowing for tunneling someone and never considering other shit-- don't think anyone ever answered that. If his town meta is known for that, I become a lot less sure on my scum!Rels read. I do find it very weird that LS is resigned to letting me and Rels beat each other up... this cell is fucking hard which is why I wanted to use audience. Really annoyed we didn't use it. Rels is known for it to some degree yes. Before Rels case who were you going to try to vote/case?
I was leaning Rels because I know mafia is playing a very strong cell and I think Rels is much likelier to be playing a very smart mafia than LS. If LS is mafia I will never let people forget that he was cleared off of caps lock lol.
I can't believe people think my initial vote on VA is scum indicative and people voting on Breshke are town. Breshke puts "gonna be afk guys, bus me and i won't give info out" early in scum qt cycle, then mafia hops on. It makes super sense that mafia would throw the cell that 50/50 is used when their guy is AFK. Gives no info out, and people get a bit of town cred.
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Oh and I was leaning Rels because LS was really the first person to bring Breshke to attention. Seems a bit much for scum to pull off
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Vote Rels if you want town to be up 2:0 brethren
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then you magically feel better about losing a point for town.
Tbh I think Rels's case against me is quite bullshit and i've refuted all the points. The only valid point was regarding Rels's VA read vs. Ritoky's, BUT I misunderstood what Rels meant: he meant aggressive as = being an asshole; I thought he meant aggressive in the sense of scumhunting/pressing people on reads. I explained my POV multiple times and Rels NEVER clarified what he meant until i specifically asked him, because he knew it helped bolster his case against me. Then he explains by saying whatever he responds is "scum indicative" lol
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