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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
February 07 2016 00:39 GMT
#1641
marv, talk to me about boxerfred.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
February 07 2016 00:40 GMT
#1642
NM, spit some hot fire for me.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
February 07 2016 00:40 GMT
#1643
disfo, give me a beat.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 07 2016 00:41 GMT
#1644
On February 07 2016 09:05 darthfoley wrote:
oh right I'm silly. Misread the VC. I rescind my question.

Is it really as simple as

Palmar: kill these 3 good players who've been voting for me/on my ass. Is Palmar known for some Italian style vengeance? I just read ritoky's filter for Palmar mentions, and although he voted Palmar, he got on the wagon relatively late and did not seem particularly hardcore for it.

Meh this all seems too clean. Maybe it is


Just saw this. The answer to this is yes. In Outlaw, he was mafia, and 5 people that called him mafia, myself included, in that game, all died, IIRC, 2 on night 1, 2 on night 2 and I died night 4.

I replaced into that game night 2 and didn't really get my shit together until day 4, which is why I didn't die early on.

Now I'm off.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 07 2016 00:41 GMT
#1645
On February 07 2016 09:36 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2016 09:27 NocturneMage wrote:
On February 07 2016 09:16 disformation wrote:
On February 07 2016 09:09 darthfoley wrote:
I remember reading that someone has the best read on Palmar. I think it was either marv or JAT. I can't find the quote though

IIRC and it's marv, wouldn't the marv kill make more sense from mafia!Palmar, especially because marv ended up voting Zyrre EoD because it was the higher % play?

Yeah, I think that was marv.

Might not have shot him for the WIFOM? Hmmmm...
Scum might have accepted losing Palmar and tried to shoot ppl that were more dangerous for their other mates?

Really getting into wifom land here though.

Will try to work on a few tinfoils for both cases (town!Palmar and scum!Palmar) tomorrow, if the day is as dead as I fear it to be.


meh....it could be wifom (what other choice do they have), it could be not, it could be a medic dodge, who knows.

GGs JAT/ritoky/Damdred.

My vote is on Palmar, and is staying on Palmar all cycle.

Good night.

maybe it is a lemon-tree?


I don't know what you mean by this.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 07 2016 00:42 GMT
#1646
On February 07 2016 09:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:
NM, spit some hot fire for me.


It's late here. Tell me what you want to discuss and I'll touch on it in the morning.

Silly Americans wanting us to play all night.

Oh wait a minute now xD
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
February 07 2016 00:44 GMT
#1647
On February 07 2016 08:44 Koshi wrote:
I also want to point out how Kush was here right before EoN and then disappeared. Probably with a big smile on his face.

um End of Night? Why should that matter?
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 07 2016 00:46 GMT
#1648
On February 07 2016 09:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2016 09:09 darthfoley wrote:
I remember reading that someone has the best read on Palmar. I think it was either marv or JAT. I can't find the quote though

IIRC and it's marv, wouldn't the marv kill make more sense from mafia!Palmar, especially because marv ended up voting Zyrre EoD because it was the higher % play?


unless you are implying marv is mafia here I don't really understand what you are getting at. Are you rambling or is there something to this


I think it was rather clear what I'm getting at. People have said that 3 people killed made sense from mafia!Palmar pov. My point is that marv would make more sense than ritoky, for example, if those were the reasons.

With 4 mafia and so much heat already on Palmar, I doubt the NKs would simply revolve around scum!Palmar targets because he's likely to get lynched D2, and the other 3 need to start preparing for post scum!Palmar/town!Palmar lynch. I think this is supported by the Hux shot

I find the ritoky and damdred kills particularly odd because ritoky foreshadowed low activity (relatively ez to drive a mislynch on inactive good player) and damdred said stuff like

On February 06 2016 07:49 Damdred wrote:
It's a bit of a lot of people have been towny with very few scummy atm to me


Wouldn't mafia want to keep a guy who's townreading every in the game? Meh
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 07 2016 00:51 GMT
#1649
On February 07 2016 09:46 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2016 09:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
On February 07 2016 09:09 darthfoley wrote:
I remember reading that someone has the best read on Palmar. I think it was either marv or JAT. I can't find the quote though

IIRC and it's marv, wouldn't the marv kill make more sense from mafia!Palmar, especially because marv ended up voting Zyrre EoD because it was the higher % play?


unless you are implying marv is mafia here I don't really understand what you are getting at. Are you rambling or is there something to this


I think it was rather clear what I'm getting at. People have said that 3 people killed made sense from mafia!Palmar pov. My point is that marv would make more sense than ritoky, for example, if those were the reasons.

With 4 mafia and so much heat already on Palmar, I doubt the NKs would simply revolve around scum!Palmar targets because he's likely to get lynched D2, and the other 3 need to start preparing for post scum!Palmar/town!Palmar lynch. I think this is supported by the Hux shot

I find the ritoky and damdred kills particularly odd because ritoky foreshadowed low activity (relatively ez to drive a mislynch on inactive good player) and damdred said stuff like

Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 07:49 Damdred wrote:
It's a bit of a lot of people have been towny with very few scummy atm to me


Wouldn't mafia want to keep a guy who's townreading every in the game? Meh


I think you are really just over analyzing and looking for stuff that isnt there. Ritoky and damdred are both capable players that voted Palmar, That is pretty much the only angle ive found.

The most confusing kill to me is actually JAT if palmar is indeed mafia. He switched last second WITH palmar and that definitely could be construed as scummy.
I come in for the scraps
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 07 2016 00:52 GMT
#1650
On February 07 2016 09:41 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2016 09:36 disformation wrote:
On February 07 2016 09:27 NocturneMage wrote:
On February 07 2016 09:16 disformation wrote:
On February 07 2016 09:09 darthfoley wrote:
I remember reading that someone has the best read on Palmar. I think it was either marv or JAT. I can't find the quote though

IIRC and it's marv, wouldn't the marv kill make more sense from mafia!Palmar, especially because marv ended up voting Zyrre EoD because it was the higher % play?

Yeah, I think that was marv.

Might not have shot him for the WIFOM? Hmmmm...
Scum might have accepted losing Palmar and tried to shoot ppl that were more dangerous for their other mates?

Really getting into wifom land here though.

Will try to work on a few tinfoils for both cases (town!Palmar and scum!Palmar) tomorrow, if the day is as dead as I fear it to be.


meh....it could be wifom (what other choice do they have), it could be not, it could be a medic dodge, who knows.

GGs JAT/ritoky/Damdred.

My vote is on Palmar, and is staying on Palmar all cycle.

Good night.

maybe it is a lemon-tree?


I don't know what you mean by this.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

On February 07 2016 09:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:
disfo, give me a beat.

+ Show Spoiler +
throwing in a complete rap battle to the beat. rejoice in my generosity.



actually scum didn't kill the two most vocal ppl on the palmar train. NM and Marv. Oh wifom, oh wifom.

Well. Here is the thing: we have between 0-1 scums.
Who are the other 3-4?
Filter reading time tomorrow evening.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
February 07 2016 01:15 GMT
#1651
Weird kills. Shame Palmar didn't die. :X I'm 99% gonna vote him but I want to reread the game before. I'll do that tomorrow, going to sleep now!
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 07 2016 01:39 GMT
#1652
Vote Count - Day 2


Palmar (6): marvellosity, disformation, Koshi, VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, MoosyDoosy,

Not voted (7): Palmar, Rels, darthfoley, Onegu, Chezinu, boxerfred, nooniansoong

At this time, Palmar is slated to be lynched.
Day 2 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 07 2016 01:45 GMT
#1653
On February 07 2016 10:39 Half the Sky wrote:
Vote Count - Day 2


Palmar (6): marvellosity, disformation, Koshi, VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, MoosyDoosy,

Not voted (7): Palmar, Rels, darthfoley, Onegu, Chezinu, boxerfred, nooniansoong

At this time, Palmar is slated to be lynched.
Day 2 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.

random thought of the night: ppl voting for palmar: town
4 of the non voters: scum

cause nearly all the no voters were also like the ppl not voting palmar d1.
lets see if they put in some time to find alt wagons or join in voting palmar for whatever reasons.

not 100% serious.
not 100% not serious.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 07 2016 01:47 GMT
#1654
It is actually possible lol
I had a good night of sleep.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 07 2016 02:52 GMT
#1655
I thought people have already said that disformation?
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
February 07 2016 03:48 GMT
#1656
On February 07 2016 10:47 Koshi wrote:
It is actually possible lol

Koshi can u answer me in curious..
Why does me disappearing after eon with a smile on my face matter?
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
February 07 2016 05:08 GMT
#1657
On September 06 2012 01:26 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 01:10 Chezinu wrote:
Oh and I was telling the truth about my tactics. As you can see, MAFIA NEVER DEFENDS ME!!! Even this game tali and marv went against me at some point.


you'll never believe me if i defend you in future

So, marv you defending me this game?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
February 07 2016 05:23 GMT
#1658
On February 05 2016 22:27 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 22:24 boxerfred wrote:
Also I don't count Kush among the lurkers/inactives, amirite?

Well, Kush is posting and not contributing. Basically the same as chezinu according to your logic. Same goes for moosy.
The only hardcore lurker is Onegu.


On February 05 2016 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 22:49 boxerfred wrote:
stopping on page 42 since chez and md's shit makes me want to puke. Don't want to play this game now.

A little over the top, don't you think?


On February 05 2016 23:21 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 23:15 boxerfred wrote:
I should elaborate. Just had a cigarette, calmed down a bit.


Basically, the way Chezinu and Moosy approach this game pisses me off. Given that nooniansong also seems to not give a fuck makes me re-think if I really want to put in the (little) time I already have in those games. I signed up for this game to have fun and participate a lot. Contrary to my latest games, I've fully read the thread despite rolling town which I normally do not like that much. I tend to not put any effort into the game if I am town, instead I go really low and don't watch the thread too closely. I do not have a problem with low activity players but I do have a problem with people that just screw up the thread. I can't believe that all four of Onegu, Chezinu, MoosyDoosy and nooniansong are mafia. However, Chezinu's and MD's posting styles make it really hard for me to stay calm and analyze shit. My case on ritoky might've not been the best one, but it was solid. The kind of one-liner conversation that we mainly had in the last 25 pages is something that I think does not bring town on a good way to find scum.

So, to stay constructive, I'd even refrain from my ritoky case now and leave it standing. People can bring that up later in the game. I strongly recommend to lynch between Chezinu, nooniansong, MoosyDoosy and Onegu, and I'd actually add Koshi to that list since I have the impression that he doesn't do much for town.

Among those four (five) players, nooniansong is the obvious lynch target. Bad defence, no contribution for town. Same goes for Moosy and Chez, those guys even derail the thread into plain bullshit. Onegue, while being sick (which I believe), is someone who I can hardly read anyways. MoosyDoosy has his dumbtell of 3 vs. 4 mafia going for him, can't see this guy actually pulling this play as scum. So there's Chezinu and nooniansong left. Well, nooniansong should IMHO, if he's town, indeed replace the fuck out of this game, while I don't feel that Chez will be usefull anytime soon.

Given that I agree on ritoky's/disformation's idea of one scum between NocturneMage and VayneAuthority, I feel like we should lynch one of them and shoot the other one at night. NM vs. Vayne didn't feel like town on town. Especially NM felt forced, his arguments weren't too good. However I liked his later explanations of them.

So. I'd say we lynch nooniansong. He's the "most likely to be mafia" player of all in my eyes. Chez is not worth a vig shot (yet), I'd rather use the vig shot to kill NM or Vayne. I'd prefer to lynch NM and shoot Vayne or the other way around.

Oh yeah, and I still haven't read 42+.

I don't understand. Why is chez not worth a vig shot exactly? Why should we lynch NM?


On February 05 2016 08:09 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 08:08 Chezinu wrote:
On February 05 2016 08:06 ritoky wrote:
my town is something like: ritoky, rels, jat, disfo, darth
maybe town is like: damdred, marv, koshi, kush
fuck you is: boxerfred

and i think there's probably a mafia between VA and NM.

You think Chez is town.


I think chez is town

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



I really think Chez is town now.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 07 2016 11:32 GMT
#1659
Still not mafia, still busy
Computer says mafia
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 07 2016 12:11 GMT
#1660
The kills revolved around people that are imho capable of leading town. Damdred is a great player, jat and ritoky have some reputation too. Now the thing is that all of them were voting palmar, too. I am trying to figure out why they died. Given that at least the Damdred kill was based on mafia being afraid of him, id say that marv scum. He should have the highest town reputation in here. That only counts under the premise that no vig shot was involved .it a vig shot was involved ,it was a bad shot. I dont think vig wouldever shoote outside of palmar or nooniansong so i think we have had three scum shots. Given that marv feels off to me, i can see him being scum. We desperately needed a noon or palmar flip imho to be able to analyze d1 votes. So question is do we lynch palmar now for the late information or Do we guess ob another scum member? Chez, md and onegu remain unreadable to me so i feel like the game remains volatile. We need to look into ritokys reads, especoally in regard to disfomration. Ritokys initial case on hin should be reciewed again given that he flipped town. Also jats reads gain importance now.
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