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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 06 2016 23:38 GMT
#1621
##vote palmar

Do NOT FUCKING COUNTERCLAIM BLUE CLAIMS.
I had a good night of sleep.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 06 2016 23:38 GMT
#1622
Hm. maybe scum was thinking damdy was blue, cuz he was kinda underperforming?
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 06 2016 23:40 GMT
#1623
On February 07 2016 08:25 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2016 08:24 darthfoley wrote:
oh oops, i meant to say...

I thought he made a good point about how ritoky felt that the VA vs. NM argument was constructed, not that I felt that ritoky's argument was fake.

Okay, so do you take anything further from this?


My first thought, if it was mafia 2kp + Hux assassinate: why now?

There are a few reasons that i've considered-- i'm sure it's a combo of them. I think the obvious answer is to maximize the amount of guaranteed damage inflicted on N1. Mafia gets guaranteed 3kp N1 with Hux, but I think there could've definitely been strategy for using Hux later, even if it's 2kp N1, 1kp + Hux N2, N3 etc. Using Hux later could've implied a vigi shot/vigi fake claim, it could've indirectly framed someone, or just gotten the town to forget about the assassinate possibility.

Using Hux N1, however, has a few benefits. The 3 kp has forced town to already start thinking about end game scenarios:
how many mislynches town has, how blue roles will be affected going forward, etc. Basically the 3KP puts town on the defensive and much more passive in its play, because every mislynch digs town a deeper and deeper grave. I think a more hesitant town only benefits mafia. Every wagon will be over scrutinized, and people will get cold feed and wishy washy on reads.

Using Hux N1 can also make sure that whoever was making the most progress D1 is donezo, and town doesn't really have any idea who was the person on the right track. It basically makes town analyze 3 dead filters, instead of 2 down the road, making the whole situation more ambiguous.

watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
February 06 2016 23:44 GMT
#1624
GG
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 06 2016 23:44 GMT
#1625
I also want to point out how Kush was here right before EoN and then disappeared. Probably with a big smile on his face.
I had a good night of sleep.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 06 2016 23:49 GMT
#1626
On February 07 2016 08:30 disformation wrote:
Also now I am a bit paniky. Cause the VCA clearly indicates that scum kinda shot ppl that were willing to vote palmar. but that is a huge wifom argument.


JAT and Damdred voted for Palmar. If that's the case, why does ritoky die? Bluehunting good townies x2?
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 06 2016 23:50 GMT
#1627
it's annoying how this game dies past 7pm. damn europeans!
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 06 2016 23:52 GMT
#1628
On February 07 2016 08:50 darthfoley wrote:
it's annoying how this game dies past 7pm. damn europeans!

I am around. Just going to play dota. It's just waiting on Palmar tbh.
I had a good night of sleep.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 06 2016 23:52 GMT
#1629
On February 07 2016 08:49 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2016 08:30 disformation wrote:
Also now I am a bit paniky. Cause the VCA clearly indicates that scum kinda shot ppl that were willing to vote palmar. but that is a huge wifom argument.


JAT and Damdred voted for Palmar. If that's the case, why does ritoky die? Bluehunting good townies x2?

On February 07 2016 08:18 disformation wrote:
Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Damdred, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): marvellosity, justanothertownie, VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, boxerfred, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu
VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy
nooniansoong (0): Koshi, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Rels, boxerfred
NocturneMage (0),disformation disformation
ritoky (0): boxerfred, Chezinu,
Onegu (0):, nooniansoong
Disformation (0): Chezinu,Chezinu
MoosyDoosy (0): nooniansoong

all three were voting palmar. jat unvoted at the last second, but was clear that palmar would need to die.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 07 2016 00:05 GMT
#1630
oh right I'm silly. Misread the VC. I rescind my question.

Is it really as simple as

Palmar: kill these 3 good players who've been voting for me/on my ass. Is Palmar known for some Italian style vengeance? I just read ritoky's filter for Palmar mentions, and although he voted Palmar, he got on the wagon relatively late and did not seem particularly hardcore for it.

Meh this all seems too clean. Maybe it is
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 07 2016 00:09 GMT
#1631
I remember reading that someone has the best read on Palmar. I think it was either marv or JAT. I can't find the quote though

IIRC and it's marv, wouldn't the marv kill make more sense from mafia!Palmar, especially because marv ended up voting Zyrre EoD because it was the higher % play?
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 07 2016 00:15 GMT
#1632
On February 07 2016 09:09 darthfoley wrote:
I remember reading that someone has the best read on Palmar. I think it was either marv or JAT. I can't find the quote though

IIRC and it's marv, wouldn't the marv kill make more sense from mafia!Palmar, especially because marv ended up voting Zyrre EoD because it was the higher % play?


unless you are implying marv is mafia here I don't really understand what you are getting at. Are you rambling or is there something to this
I come in for the scraps
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 07 2016 00:16 GMT
#1633
On February 07 2016 09:09 darthfoley wrote:
I remember reading that someone has the best read on Palmar. I think it was either marv or JAT. I can't find the quote though

IIRC and it's marv, wouldn't the marv kill make more sense from mafia!Palmar, especially because marv ended up voting Zyrre EoD because it was the higher % play?

Yeah, I think that was marv.

Might not have shot him for the WIFOM? Hmmmm...
Scum might have accepted losing Palmar and tried to shoot ppl that were more dangerous for their other mates?

Really getting into wifom land here though.

Will try to work on a few tinfoils for both cases (town!Palmar and scum!Palmar) tomorrow, if the day is as dead as I fear it to be.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 07 2016 00:16 GMT
#1634
gg

“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
February 07 2016 00:27 GMT
#1635
On February 07 2016 09:16 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2016 09:09 darthfoley wrote:
I remember reading that someone has the best read on Palmar. I think it was either marv or JAT. I can't find the quote though

IIRC and it's marv, wouldn't the marv kill make more sense from mafia!Palmar, especially because marv ended up voting Zyrre EoD because it was the higher % play?

Yeah, I think that was marv.

Might not have shot him for the WIFOM? Hmmmm...
Scum might have accepted losing Palmar and tried to shoot ppl that were more dangerous for their other mates?

Really getting into wifom land here though.

Will try to work on a few tinfoils for both cases (town!Palmar and scum!Palmar) tomorrow, if the day is as dead as I fear it to be.


meh....it could be wifom (what other choice do they have), it could be not, it could be a medic dodge, who knows.

GGs JAT/ritoky/Damdred.

My vote is on Palmar, and is staying on Palmar all cycle.

Good night.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
February 07 2016 00:36 GMT
#1636
wow this game became 40% less fun to play in
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
February 07 2016 00:36 GMT
#1637
On February 07 2016 08:44 Damdred wrote:
GG

"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 07 2016 00:36 GMT
#1638
On February 07 2016 09:27 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2016 09:16 disformation wrote:
On February 07 2016 09:09 darthfoley wrote:
I remember reading that someone has the best read on Palmar. I think it was either marv or JAT. I can't find the quote though

IIRC and it's marv, wouldn't the marv kill make more sense from mafia!Palmar, especially because marv ended up voting Zyrre EoD because it was the higher % play?

Yeah, I think that was marv.

Might not have shot him for the WIFOM? Hmmmm...
Scum might have accepted losing Palmar and tried to shoot ppl that were more dangerous for their other mates?

Really getting into wifom land here though.

Will try to work on a few tinfoils for both cases (town!Palmar and scum!Palmar) tomorrow, if the day is as dead as I fear it to be.


meh....it could be wifom (what other choice do they have), it could be not, it could be a medic dodge, who knows.

GGs JAT/ritoky/Damdred.

My vote is on Palmar, and is staying on Palmar all cycle.

Good night.

maybe it is a lemon-tree?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
February 07 2016 00:37 GMT
#1639
Yeah, I wanted damdy to carry me again. That worked great in my past town games.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
February 07 2016 00:38 GMT
#1640
##Vote: Palmar
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
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