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Also this -
On February 04 2016 10:55 ritoky wrote:
also VA might be mafia cuz he posted 3x w/o calling someone mafia or town or voting on someone; which is outside his normal town meta.
On February 05 2016 01:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
Also Ritoky was mostly likely joking so the fact you took the bait on that is also lolz
FWIW, doesn't look a joking tone or a reaction test to me.
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Half an hour, let's see what else I can find catching up.
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Rels - re 567
(1) because he didn't actually state it, (1a) the answer to that is no, depending on how he'd had stated that I'd ask why he's townreading him for defensiveness but that would have been explained surely
(2) his stating it gives me more information about where he stands because we've used two different methods to come to two different conclusions in an isolated situation. and I say isolated because Damdred has had play outside of that exchange.
still reading up...
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Well you're wrong, but I'm at the stage where I am going to focus on other things. I'm still 15 pages behind.
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page 15/16 - boxerfred/ritoky
My read on ritoky doesn't change here - he's calling boxerfred out to figure out the motivations behind what he's saying.
Both players (posts 290/296) complain about the other's presentation of ideas, bf's point 4 makes sense re-reading the ritoky/disformation exchange but the rest he's trying to break down what he sees. His phrasing "constructing a whole lot of reasons over a four-line post" indicates to me the presentation of ideas could be colouring his read. My only beef with boxerfred is the last part - he's saying "lynch anyway" but the very next sentence says he's going to ignore him and trust someone else's read on him. That's a towny trait to defer to - why BF ignores it or doesn't see it right away - I'm also going to place it under the "bad" category rather than "mafia" since I would think mafia would be a bit more careful about that.
posts 303/309 fall into the resolution part of what I'd expect from town on town, continuing with posts between Rels/BF/ritoky.
When I've played with ritoky and he's been mafia he's been out to get people, I don't see that agenda here. Rels same deal, he's trying to flesh things out. BF is going on about (381/382/390) as to why he still feels ritoky is scum and it's definitely not out of bounds for town play given the perspectives he's put out. He's unafraid/stubborn, so I think he's town.
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I'm nearly out of time now, so I stopped at page 22. Skimming the rest of the way through, it looks like JAT appears town for his inquiries on Palmar/Koshi, bold tone about it as well.
Skimmed through Koshi's filter (lack of substance I think) and his progression on ritoky is basically WTF. Will elaborate in next post real quick.
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On February 04 2016 19:37 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 18:40 boxerfred wrote:
"I am gonna lynch you even if you're town"? "I am going to ignore your post because I just made up a bad reasoning on why they suck"?
This sentence I can agree with. Also for the amount of posts ritoky made I don't know about him yet. Which is odd.
On February 04 2016 20:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:02 ritoky wrote:On February 04 2016 20:01 Palmar wrote:
bf straight up ignoring me hurts a bit says the guy who "gives up after 50 words" But your posts are so boring :/
On February 04 2016 20:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 20:17 boxerfred wrote:On February 04 2016 20:07 Palmar wrote:
Also bf sort of doesn't really sound like mafia.
I find it weird that he would go after the entirety of ritoky's post, it's a massive stretch, but I guess there's not really much that has happened in the game, so maybe stretches are the best he's got. He's at least actually trying to do something.
I like that he actually is keeping the pressure on ritoky despite some pushback, this last post about ritoky just rehashing the information sounds like genuinely believes that he has something there. Could you then, instead of looking at me, look at ritoky and review my case? Just wait in the shadows bro. I don't think Ritoky is the lynch here.
So here's what is weird about Koshi. He's not elaborating initially on why he can't make a read on ritoky then he responds to ritoky that his posts are boring. (Generally that's a scummy trait - not to mention I disagree with Koshi's conclusion, because ritoky has been anything but boring, trying to push the discussion forward especially early this cycle.)
At this point he should be scumreading (or at best nullreading - but the basis is extremely unclear) ritoky.
In his filter and in this exchange (bf/ritoky) he tells ritoky's biggest pusher to "wait in the shadows"? And saying that ritoky "isn't the lynch"? where did that come from?
This is the opposite of what I'd expect from someone who isn't impressed with ritoky - if someone is scumreading someone you are ambiguous on, where is the thought process coming from at the very least to say "wait in the shadows" when he's townreading bf (post 394). Nor is he even making any effort to figure out ritoky's alignment.
It's just odd at best for someone who I understand is normally keen to solve the game or try. Like if I had to take that train of thought on ritoky alone I'd say it's hedging which is scummy. There's clearly evidence to the contrary, others have made reads on him both ways, including bf at latest.
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I really need to take off. I'll try and tag up sometime late tonight.
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I am here. 3am here and everyone in the house is asleep. Finally I have a few hours to play this game proper.
Just started reading and catching up again, I want to talk about Koshi, and I see DF's beat me to the punch.
When I saw his response to me, he scumread it for being long winded. I saw no specifics from him, I would have expected more considering bf went on about ritoky and he townread bf (quote, I forget the post reference but offhand "bf is town bro" or something) and I mean he went on.
As for long winded, it was a progression. How did he get from point A to point B was what I was asking.
I felt it was important to ask that because I get information from that and furthermore he didn't answer the question either.
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On February 05 2016 02:57 Koshi wrote:
ritoky is Damdred mafia?
On February 05 2016 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Damdred his posts have been really bad. Holy mozes.
This also has me scratching my head. I read his filter and this is not the impression I'm getting at all.
Looking for further interactions with him:
On February 05 2016 08:09 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 07:59 Damdred wrote:
Honestly rit it is a bit of policy concerning one. He hasn't done anything to be town read as of yet and yeah.
As for va I think he's town, the meta he used he has done before and it's somewhat true but I am aware of it. Either way I do think va is town. My biggest problem as well. Normally you can just read it in the tone of his posts.
On February 05 2016 08:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 08:05 Damdred wrote:
That zyrre post is so bad for so many reasons It actually isn't. I can see him believe that. I can believe it.
I read for context too and I can't understand these after he's clearly saying his posts are bad. Is (from Koshi's perspective) Damdred bad or mafia?
The last quote is a stretch but he's not even using that to find out Damdred's alignment.
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EBWOP: I read Damdred's filter and this is not the impression I'm getting at all.
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Reading more filters....
On February 05 2016 01:59 darthfoley wrote:
@Rels, and a tiny bit of Koshi shade
I think you're reading too much into a few cheeky posts at the beginning of the game. Nothing was really going on by that point, so I didn't feel the need to be super serious. I'm just not understanding why you aren't holding others to this similar standard of scum indicativeness; Zyrre, who made the "woo i'm town" post hasn't posted since and only NM seems to notice. He's also EU time which makes it even more sus imo. Not sure why other people can post shit memes and make jokes, but when I say "roger Gold leader" in a Star Wars themed game early D1, you scum read me for it. I literally said "i am here guyzzz"... like why would I ever be so literal in my phrasing if I were mafia?
This whole poke on me seems a little overzealous to me. I understand probing, but this is pointless. When I say that I'll be back in some hours, but still make a post, I simply don't have the time to make in depth posts or filter dive, but I have enough time (~5 minutes) to defend myself from rather toothless accusations.
@Koshi I appreciate your compliment. I hope I will continue to impress later, when I have time to actually analyze interactions in a meaningful way. Put me in, coach.
On February 05 2016 05:33 darthfoley wrote:
Idk I find it perhaps a little suspect that bf (kinda), ritoky and damdred have all defended me already, using variations of the experience card to help me. I especially find it ironic, because if I were to use the defense, I would be immediately scum read. I think i'm a fairly obvious pocket opportunity for experienced mafia, so i'm particularly wary when a bunch of vets start defending me off the bat from rather average pokes by Rels. It just seems off.
Darth, do you have an actual read on Rels?
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On February 05 2016 11:35 justanothertownie wrote:
I think atm you are doing what HTS does when she is mafia, NM - directionless rambling. Are you going to call Koshi mafia or what? If so please make a case with a few short bullet points as to why.
No questions, no summarizing of what Koshi did just your read on Koshi with the specific reason for it as short as possible. Because from your posts I can't distinguish between the things which you think are scummy and things which don't match your expectations of how Koshi should play.
If you have more scumreads do the same for them.
Good night.
Fair question, I am going through filters and coming up with a town circle/do not lynch list today. And the reason I haven't put my vote on Koshi yet is because I've been out of thread for awhile - I want to make sure I am not missing someone that I think will be a better lynch.
If I had to put my vote on someone now, gun to my head, it'd be Koshi.
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(FYI, I am still here. I am reading filters, and I am reading filters from other games for both Palmar and Koshi. I expect to be here for another 2h from the time of this post until about 6am. So if anyone is around, please talk.)
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On February 05 2016 13:44 ritoky wrote:
NM i am interested in your read on JAT, you should totally give one. GO!
Typing up a long post where my head is now, but to answer you, I think he's town.
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Moosy can I ask you a question or does it have to wait until the game ends?
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kk never played this before, carry on.
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