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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On February 04 2016 18:48 Palmar wrote: To be fair, if you did this and I am mafia, I would shoot you, every time. no one says palmar is mafia. palmar: gb and ritoky, you do the kills, i am only half paying attention. artanis starts spamming palmar is mafia. palmar: yeah we are changing those, kill artanis classic palmar. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On February 04 2016 18:44 boxerfred wrote: When he was scum with me, he went full "Hey guys, I'm new, this is how we play now, okay?". I feel like I have a decent chance of identifying his scum game. In the game I was scum with him he tried really hard to either fly under the radar or establish himself as town, he didn't push anyone too hard, so yeah. I'd put him on my "potential lurker watch" list while not scumreading him yet. What I called out was something similar to " fly under the radar", why is it not scum indicative here ? I don't feel he is "pushing anyone too hard" too ? Meta off one game (his first scum game too ?) is kinda irrelevant anyway. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On February 04 2016 18:47 ritoky wrote: you don't have time to read the thread, only time to skim a couple pages, but then you have enough time to type a multi-paragraph case on someone? mhmmmm. i don't even understand your post. why does anything you said make me mafia? especially considering you have 0 context for any of it. "ritoky interacts with a ton of people"? what does this even mean for a reason? i ask questions and push for reads and thus am mafia? likewat? I read the thread fully. Maybe the word I use is bad: "skim". I think it means that I've read the thread, however I didn't put too much emphasis on everything but instead concentrated on what feels important to me, which in this case would be the interaction between you and disformation. How do you not understand my post? here's a tl;dr: you make up reasons to call disfo's post shit. I have all context for it that I need Oo, the context of the interaction. Regarding the interaction with others: you don't push for reads, you ask random questions to seemingly push for reads imho. You do not follow up, only if you're forced to (as you were when someone asked why you call disfo's post shit). I don't think that's town indicative. Even now you don't reasonably argue why what I say is wrong, instead you say "I dont understand, you lie". The only real argument you say is the last one, and it's a weak one so far. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On February 04 2016 18:51 ritoky wrote: yes it should inform your read to some degree at least in terms of tone considering this is his first non-student game. So does darth being a noob makes this a little less scum indicative ? On February 04 2016 18:33 Rels wrote: I have a bad feeling about this post. Here are his first posts almost 2 hours before: So here is what darth did: 1 - enter the thread "I am there" 2 - shit post ----- 2 hours pass ------- 3 - enter the thread "I am there" I don't like this repetition. There is no excuse in the first posts, like "I'll be there in 2 hours I'm working right now". It also happens 20 minutes after being called out by disfo for being there and not doing anything. This might be indicative of scum wanting to enter the thread early just to show he's there while not doing anything; but after being called out for doing exactly that, coming back to show he's playing the game seriously. I think it's more likely that scum would enter the thread, do nothing, then enters the thread again when called out than a town. I think it's more likely that noob scum would enter the thread, do nothing, then enters the thread again when called out than a noob town. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On February 04 2016 18:55 Rels wrote: What I called out was something similar to " fly under the radar", why is it not scum indicative here ? I don't feel he is "pushing anyone too hard" too ? Meta off one game (his first scum game too ?) is kinda irrelevant anyway. Of course it's scum indicative but we have D1. How about letting the thread develop some more ours and then start to look into what darthfoley's doing? | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On February 04 2016 18:59 boxerfred wrote: Of course it's scum indicative but we have D1. How about letting the thread develop some more ours and then start to look into what darthfoley's doing? How is that not what I'm doing ? I'm calling out what I see and asking question, not advocating people to vote for him. I only talked more about him because you and ritoky answered my post. I don't understand why you are calling me out on that. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On February 04 2016 12:34 NocturneMage wrote: yo.... up a bit late but let's see what I can get out of the first few pages before I crash page 9/10 Zyrre - says he's town in the opening salve and then apparently bails. Don't know the guy, seems new to the forums. He could have gotten something of the rest of page 9 or at least something behind but didn't. For now a light scum lean. Contrast that with marvellosity who just checked in and I got a "whatever" vibe from him. Mind you it's late for both of them, so IDK. How did you know Zyrr bailed after page 10 ? How did you know marv bailed after page 10 ? Darth did the same thing than those two page 9. Why did you not talk about him ? On February 04 2016 12:34 NocturneMage wrote: Don't like VayneAuthority's post 238 asking Damdred's methodology. Why can't he just separate the pre-game whatever and judge what Damdred has actually done? Seems a bit forced there. Why ? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On February 04 2016 18:55 boxerfred wrote: I read the thread fully. Maybe the word I use is bad: "skim". I think it means that I've read the thread, however I didn't put too much emphasis on everything but instead concentrated on what feels important to me, which in this case would be the interaction between you and disformation. How do you not understand my post? here's a tl;dr: you make up reasons to call disfo's post shit. I have all context for it that I need Oo, the context of the interaction. Regarding the interaction with others: you don't push for reads, you ask random questions to seemingly push for reads imho. You do not follow up, only if you're forced to (as you were when someone asked why you call disfo's post shit). I don't think that's town indicative. Even now you don't reasonably argue why what I say is wrong, instead you say "I dont understand, you lie". The only real argument you say is the last one, and it's a weak one so far. because i think there is a problem in translation here is why i don't understand it. i called his post bad because it is bad. but bad does not necessitate mafia. it is a poor post regardless of alignment and i am undecided on his alignment partially because it was so bad. here's what his post did in an expanded version: 1) contrary to what a lot of coaches teach these days about keeping the thread updated on when you're leaving, what you're doing, etc; i find that shit to rub me the wrong way and just be a pile of "notice how much extra i care everyone". maybe that's residual shit from when BH owned me by faking he was moving, but it always reads scummy to me. 2) he then says "oh i almost forgot". this implies that the thought he had while in bed on his phone was so important that he had to post from a state of inconvenience in order to notify the thread of what it was. now this is crap already cuz the game is 5 hrs old, but i will entertain it. however he then addresses nocturnemage who hasn't posted at this point with his post......something super important but directed at a person with 0 posts. 3) firstly he is giving NM a free entry into the thread, when mafia often times find entries particularly difficult and you have players like me and like palmar in the game who are quite good at spotting bad entries (if palmar is town obv). secondly instead of making a point or joke about metas like he wants to instead he is trying to defer to someone else who historically doesn't like meta reads to shit on them for him. what point does this have? what does this serve? it gains us nothing and loses us information. if you want to make jokes about meta and shit on meta then just do it instead of trying to bring someone else in. 4) then the smiley at the end just so everyone knows it was all a joke.....sight. that said disfo's enthusiasm, tone, and filter length indicates he is town. but some of his posts are turds. so he is neutral, but i know myself; certain people and the way they play the more i read of their posts the more i am gonna wanna lynch them for the way they post/talk/act/type; regardless of its bearing on their alignment. the posts were bad, they were net negative posts regardless of his alignment, and he shouldn't post like that. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote: bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word. by he I mean ritoky the point is, he broke down every single thing ritoky said and I didn't get the impression any of it was just "meh" If ritoky is mafia because of the post he made it's because one of his reasons or something is bullshit. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On February 04 2016 18:58 Rels wrote: So does darth being a noob makes this a little less scum indicative ? I think it's more likely that scum would enter the thread, do nothing, then enters the thread again when called out than a town. I think it's more likely that noob scum would enter the thread, do nothing, then enters the thread again when called out than a noob town. keep pushing your read on him. i am particularly interested in it. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On February 04 2016 19:14 Palmar wrote: I also think my current vote is well placed and I invite more people to join the justice wagon. did you take my advice and vote on jat? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
indeed also he has not said anything smart yet, which might be alignment neutral for him, but he has also not said anything he himself believes to be smart, which might be scummy. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On February 04 2016 19:18 Palmar wrote: indeed also he has not said anything smart yet, which might be alignment neutral for him, but he has also not said anything he himself believes to be smart, which might be scummy. how did you read his restraint when i was poking him with a stick? indicative in any way? | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On February 04 2016 19:19 Palmar wrote: ritoky did you ever explain why you have a dumb reason to TR jat? nope not yet. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On February 04 2016 18:40 boxerfred wrote: And then, if you pull out a rather big reasoning, why do not go the road down until the end and call disfo out as scum? (1) You think people that puts"big reasonning" should be calling their targets scum. On February 04 2016 18:44 boxerfred wrote: When he was scum with me, he went full "Hey guys, I'm new, this is how we play now, okay?". I feel like I have a decent chance of identifying his scum game. In the game I was scum with him he tried really hard to either fly under the radar or establish himself as town, he didn't push anyone too hard, so yeah. I'd put him on my "potential lurker watch" list while not scumreading him yet. On February 04 2016 18:59 boxerfred wrote: Of course it's scum indicative but we have D1. How about letting the thread develop some more ours and then start to look into what darthfoley's doing? (2) I put some reasonning as to why darth could be scum, I'm not even calling him scum mind you; but you still think my read on him is too strong. Can you explain why you react differently to two situations that seems extremely similar ? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On February 04 2016 19:20 ritoky wrote: how did you read his restraint when i was poking him with a stick? indicative in any way? poking him with a stick? you mean when we were being mean to him because forever #11? He answered exactly as I would have expected him to answer, I think it was actually funny | ||
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