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On February 04 2016 12:23 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 12:16 ritoky wrote:On February 04 2016 12:11 darthfoley wrote:On February 04 2016 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 04 2016 11:01 disformation wrote:phone post from bed. nearly forgot. @NocturneMage: care to remind me what you think of meta reads?  this post is terrible in so many ways. Why? 1) notifying that he is going out of his way to post from an inconvenient place -> notice me senpai 2) "almost forgot" -> something he must tell us! must be important 3) deferring to nocturnemage a) now confirmed not important b) if town is deferring to someone who's alignment he doesn't know for no reason 4) trying to discredit meta which CAN be a useful tool 5) smiley face cuz clearly "i'm joking gaiz" nothing about this post is good in any way. all of it is legit hot trash. still phone posting from bed cuz cant sleep: my post is amazing and you are bad. will explain after i got my answer. also nearly forgot:
your post is bad. you said "remind me" which means you already know the answer so you're not waiting for anything, you're just handing someone who hasn't posted a free entry excuse into the thread for no reason, and this post is just as bad.
i am gonna lynch this guy if i keep reading his posts regardless of how i feel about his alignment. i think i am just gonna not read his posts, and when i get a TR sheep their read on him.
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yo....
up a bit late but let's see what I can get out of the first few pages before I crash
page 9/10
Zyrre - says he's town in the opening salve and then apparently bails. Don't know the guy, seems new to the forums. He could have gotten something of the rest of page 9 or at least something behind but didn't. For now a light scum lean. Contrast that with marvellosity who just checked in and I got a "whatever" vibe from him. Mind you it's late for both of them, so IDK.
ritoky I'm feeling town from the way he's interrogating disformation.
The Damdred/disformation interaction appears based on meta - I will defer to something else to read them (I don't like using meta I'm not sure of).
Don't have good reads on either Palmar/Noon/DF pages 9/10.
Koshi's behaviour through page 11 can come from either alignment.
Don't like VayneAuthority's post 238 asking Damdred's methodology. Why can't he just separate the pre-game whatever and judge what Damdred has actually done? Seems a bit forced there.
No good read on JAT either. Latter is saying he wants to hang back on day 1. Reactive games are usually a scum tell for someone I don't know that well, but he's not new either it seems. Not sure if this is his normal meta.
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Nm why would you need to rely on someone else read on me when you generally have a decent read on me exactly?
Darths posts aren't that bad I think you guys should give him some space to react under no pressure since he is a newbie I believe
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Regarding the point about disformation noticing people making noted comments and then bailing, zyrre being one of them, my only issue with that post is his lack of differentiation between Zyrre and the others - there were some differences imo - but that's not an issue that ncessarily makes him scum. Noting that for Zyrre alone is a towny trait though.
Also I got the same impression as ritoky - what alignment indicative information is disformation getting from me in asking my opinion on meta reads? Does he mean MY meta reads on others or others' meta reads on people?
I think from a contextual standpoint I can guess why he's asking me this question but aside from trying to gauge whose meta to judge or trying to get me to compare someone playing now (which is bad this early in d1) - one of which I've already commented on - I don't see how that question "adds" to the game or how I see things presently.
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On February 04 2016 12:44 Damdred wrote:
Nm why would you need to rely on someone else read on me when you generally have a decent read on me exactly?
Darths posts aren't that bad I think you guys should give him some space to react under no pressure since he is a newbie I believe
I'm looking at the interactions between disformation and you - I was trying to answer for myself whether his read on you was scummy/trustworthy, not my read on you. You are looking okay I think so far.
I'm trying to take a closer look at disformation.
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On February 04 2016 12:34 NocturneMage wrote:
yo....
up a bit late but let's see what I can get out of the first few pages before I crash
page 9/10
Zyrre - says he's town in the opening salve and then apparently bails. Don't know the guy, seems new to the forums. He could have gotten something of the rest of page 9 or at least something behind but didn't. For now a light scum lean. Contrast that with marvellosity who just checked in and I got a "whatever" vibe from him. Mind you it's late for both of them, so IDK.
ritoky I'm feeling town from the way he's interrogating disformation.
The Damdred/disformation interaction appears based on meta - I will defer to something else to read them (I don't like using meta I'm not sure of).
Don't have good reads on either Palmar/Noon/DF pages 9/10.
Koshi's behaviour through page 11 can come from either alignment.
Don't like VayneAuthority's post 238 asking Damdred's methodology. Why can't he just separate the pre-game whatever and judge what Damdred has actually done? Seems a bit forced there.
No good read on JAT either. Latter is saying he wants to hang back on day 1. Reactive games are usually a scum tell for someone I don't know that well, but he's not new either it seems. Not sure if this is his normal meta.
Did you read the entire exchange or just cherry pick that? it was the least important part. For the record Damdred being super defensive and stream of conscious play = town
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On February 04 2016 12:12 ritoky wrote:
re darth: something about his reads seem off. too much explanation considering lack of content, stronger opinion on some1 like koshi or va than some1 like disfo, random zyrre ping but no credit to disfo or damdred for noticing same thing
@Damdred I'm not going to use my experience as a crutch this game, so i'm fine defending my reads
@Ritoky I think it's perfectly normal to be more comfortable reading people you've played with before. I only brought up the Zyrre thing because I have been scum read for doing a similar "woohoo, i'm town!" post early. Tbf I was town that game.
You tell me that I have too much explanation for lack of content, while also giving disformation a hard time for stating reads without explanation. Hopefully i'll find your happy medium soon
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still bed still phone still bad:
mage i dont really dig your list. too much inconclusive stuff i am not sure why you bothered to add it.
not answering my question makes me like you even less. but fine if you need some help with that ill dig some stuff up when i am not in bed and at my pc.
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nocturnemage probably scum, that post is str8 up garbage. i have to check his past games I guess
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On February 04 2016 12:55 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 12:12 ritoky wrote:
re darth: something about his reads seem off. too much explanation considering lack of content, stronger opinion on some1 like koshi or va than some1 like disfo, random zyrre ping but no credit to disfo or damdred for noticing same thing @Damdred I'm not going to use my experience as a crutch this game, so i'm fine defending my reads @Ritoky I think it's perfectly normal to be more comfortable reading people you've played with before. I only brought up the Zyrre thing because I have been scum read for doing a similar "woohoo, i'm town!" post early. Tbf I was town that game. You tell me that I have too much explanation for lack of content, while also giving disformation a hard time for stating reads without explanation. Hopefully i'll find your happy medium soon
either you're much improved or town; just wanted early pressure to see how you react. you were much more feeble under pressure in your previous mafia game.
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On February 04 2016 13:00 disformation wrote:
still bed still phone still bad:
mage i dont really dig your list. too much inconclusive stuff i am not sure why you bothered to add it.
not answering my question makes me like you even less. but fine if you need some help with that ill dig some stuff up when i am not in bed and at my pc.
Yes there was a reason I didn't answer it.
On February 04 2016 12:48 NocturneMage wrote:
Regarding the point about disformation noticing people making noted comments and then bailing, zyrre being one of them, my only issue with that post is his lack of differentiation between Zyrre and the others - there were some differences imo - but that's not an issue that ncessarily makes him scum. Noting that for Zyrre alone is a towny trait though.
Also I got the same impression as ritoky - what alignment indicative information is disformation getting from me in asking my opinion on meta reads? Does he mean MY meta reads on others or others' meta reads on people?
I think from a contextual standpoint I can guess why he's asking me this question but aside from trying to gauge whose meta to judge or trying to get me to compare someone playing now (which is bad this early in d1) - one of which I've already commented on - I don't see how that question "adds" to the game or how I see things presently.
If you mean MY meta reads, I try and stick to people that I play a bit more often with. And even then I'm under the 10 or wahtever game threshold to really make that a great read, so I generally defer to other shit.
If you mean others' meta reads on people I don't really trust them, and I use interactions or other ways of evaluating people.
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On February 04 2016 13:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
nocturnemage probably scum, that post is str8 up garbage. i have to check his past games I guess
No because you are scumreading me for something that don't make me mafia. Your side of the exchange was a grand total of two posts, the second of which was meta - under normal circumstances defensiveness is usually a scummy trait. You not saying it explicitly then was odd to me (no conclusion from the reaction test or his response to it).
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On February 04 2016 13:06 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 12:55 darthfoley wrote:On February 04 2016 12:12 ritoky wrote:
re darth: something about his reads seem off. too much explanation considering lack of content, stronger opinion on some1 like koshi or va than some1 like disfo, random zyrre ping but no credit to disfo or damdred for noticing same thing @Damdred I'm not going to use my experience as a crutch this game, so i'm fine defending my reads @Ritoky I think it's perfectly normal to be more comfortable reading people you've played with before. I only brought up the Zyrre thing because I have been scum read for doing a similar "woohoo, i'm town!" post early. Tbf I was town that game. You tell me that I have too much explanation for lack of content, while also giving disformation a hard time for stating reads without explanation. Hopefully i'll find your happy medium soon either you're much improved or town; just wanted early pressure to see how you react. you were much more feeble under pressure in your previous mafia game.
Fair enough. I like the way you've played so far.
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On February 04 2016 13:11 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 13:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
nocturnemage probably scum, that post is str8 up garbage. i have to check his past games I guess No because you are scumreading me for something that don't make me mafia. Your side of the exchange was a grand total of two posts, the second of which was meta - under normal circumstances defensiveness is usually a scummy trait. You not saying it explicitly then was odd to me (no conclusion from the reaction test or his response to it).
i don't even understand what you are trying to say here. please try again.
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On February 04 2016 13:00 disformation wrote:
still bed still phone still bad:
mage i dont really dig your list. too much inconclusive stuff i am not sure why you bothered to add it.
not answering my question makes me like you even less. but fine if you need some help with that ill dig some stuff up when i am not in bed and at my pc.
Here's a hint - contrast my null reads with some of the other reads on some of those same people.
As in, I cannot see what is so town. Palmar was aggressive IIRC as scum in Outlaw and somewhere in this thread there was a townread on him for aggressive tone. To me that isn't alignment indicative.
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On February 04 2016 13:13 Chezinu wrote:
Red 3 standing by.
rip biggs
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On February 04 2016 13:11 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 13:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
nocturnemage probably scum, that post is str8 up garbage. i have to check his past games I guess No because you are scumreading me for something that don't make me mafia. Your side of the exchange was a grand total of two posts, the second of which was meta - under normal circumstances defensiveness is usually a scummy trait. You not saying it explicitly then was odd to me (no conclusion from the reaction test or his response to it).
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well jokes aside I will give you space for now, apparently you are good as town so no reason to day 1 lynch you
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I'll be threading the Stone Needle.
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