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Bhaal LoM
Profile Joined January 2016
54 Posts
February 11 2016 20:52 GMT
#261
I here just been busy. Catching up now.
Bhaal LoM
Profile Joined January 2016
54 Posts
February 11 2016 21:01 GMT
#262
So nnn and keanuisgod coming around my alignment I also see that people are voting gold now. The wagon seem to be built up pretty fast o.o
Wartrukk
Profile Joined February 2016
152 Posts
February 11 2016 21:19 GMT
#263
On February 11 2016 23:24 Valdiano wrote:
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On February 11 2016 05:33 Wartrukk wrote:
Wartrukk
On February 10 2016 21:11 Wartrukk wrote:
On February 10 2016 19:47 unholyflare wrote:
On February 10 2016 10:40 Wartrukk wrote:
So saying you're going to out smurfs, I say I think that's scummy (I still do) and after you go about trying to out smurfs you come back to my post and say "Joke phase lol"

Yeah, I'm the one fabricating reads, right?

I don't understand how you or anyone can believe this. If, somehow, we know the identities of all/most of the people in the game, it would be easier to scumhunt. I think you're pretty suspicious for this as it suggests you have something to hide.

I'm checking the thread before I go to bed but one more time, we can't know the identities of anyone for sure it only creates wifom

For some people we can be close to 100% sure of their identity. For instance, I am close to 100% sure that keanuisgod is shapelog.
Even if you disagree, wouldn't the obvious identity of a smurf be helpful for some rough but effective metaing? ie if keanu aka shapelog has a huge filter, that doesn't necessarily point to him being town.

On February 10 2016 11:50 Wartrukk wrote:
I'm going to take a break I think I'm tunneled on the smurf hunting idea too hard. I'm not taking back what I said as I still think there is a clear mafia motivation for it but I can't articulate them properly it seems

I didn't realize you were actually tunneled on me for smurf hunting. Exactly how sure were you that I was scum?


I guess if meta reads are all you are confident in making then a 99% smurf read is fine I just don't think it's 100% even if you truly believe you are the smurf detective.

I used the word tunneled because I was tunneled on the idea that smurf huntingis super scummy and since you seemed, in my eyes, to be fighting me for no real reason.

I'm over the smurf thing now. Bhaal lom is still in my leanscum pile, NNN is null because i admit he posted some stuff (like early game to saitama) that I was thinking. Vald is coming out of the gate strong andI think that's towny, especially if he replaced in on short notice. Saitama had a weird early game and I had him as leanscum last night but I haven't read too closely the 30 or so posts from last night.


another point that I feel needs some clarification - this sounds like mindmeld to me, which people from their perspective, view as towny, so why is he still null? just wondering.

also if you can further discuss saita, that might be great. he's the one active player I'm having difficulty understanding.

You're honestly correct, we had a mindmeld on saitama's earlygame awkwardness but I was too stubborn to call it as such. nnn has been active in thread and looking towny since I last checked and read him pretty strongly as town now.

Saitama is looking scummy to me still but at the time of that post it was only due to his awkwardness early game. I've gone through his filter (thanks to this question) and noticed a few things. He says that he finds NNN and myself null and, when called out on the fact that he said we were doing towny things, backed it up saying there isn't enough to go on. Then, after a while says we're both leaning town. Maybe nnn did some stuff but I've been AFK for 24hrs or something, what did I do that made me townlean?
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On February 11 2016 02:58 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
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On February 11 2016 00:59 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On February 11 2016 00:28 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
On February 11 2016 00:00 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On February 10 2016 23:26 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
Unfortunately, it smacks a bit townie.

Also no I don't expect much alignment indication in the start of the game. Hence, so much stuff is NAI.



So is it correct to assume you have the same read on both Wartruck and myself: bad players who are leaning townie?

And your definition of omgus is what? And we are leaning town because of the omgusing itself or because we omgused in a townie way?

That assumption is not correct. You are players who have done a bad play that is more often town than scum in alignment indication.

My definition of omgus is reading a player as scum simply because they read you as scum.

Neither of you has progressed from null.


Nothing you said here makes sense.
That assumption is not correct. You are players who have done a bad play that is more often town than scum in alignment indication.
If we have done something that more often comes from town, then that should lead to a town lean. On the spectrum of scum to town, we should be on the town side of null.

My definition of omgus is reading a player as scum simply because they read you as scum.
You are misrepresenting the reasons behind our suspicions. Wartrukk suspected me for smurf hunting. I suspected Wartrukk for being suspicious of smurf hunting. How did Wartrukk OMGUS at all?
I can understand why you'd think I OMGUSed, but realize that if he was suspecting someone else for smurf hunting, my suspicion would have still been there. So the true reason behind that suspicion isn't OMGUS either.

Coming into the thread early and saying "I'm town" also comes from town more often than scum.

Do you seriously expect me to immediately give them a town lean? Please. I weigh my reads before I give them.

And I took it on someone's word that wartrukk was omgusing you- so lynch me for not reading.

Finally, you did specifically state at one time "you are scumreading me for X? Then you are scum" which is practically omgus.

I will find it later. On phone.

On February 11 2016 08:59 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
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On February 11 2016 08:16 keanuisgod wrote:
On February 11 2016 07:47 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
What, being a smurf and unable to fall back on some meta got everyone scared?

It's kind of good in that the thread is not being subjected to spam, but there comes a point where as scum I'd totally be lurking right now.


I think there's not much we can do now but try engaging in conversation with the current active players.

saita, what are your thoughts on: Warty and Bhaal?

I have to add on Warty, that on top of the "slight town" feeling I mentioned before, his "half-assed" semi-reads seem to mirror my half-assed semi-reads (except NNN I suppose), which in this abyss of content we call "thread" seems like a good sign (in the "it feels like a fellow townie" deal).


Bhaal has quit role playing. Looking forward to the future on that.

Wartrukk is still mostly null. I haven't formed strong reads yet.

I will say kush mountain and wartrukk are slight townleans after more thought put into this game. The motive behind their posting does not look destructive to me at this time.




It just feels like saitama is following thread sentiment. He calls out keanu for voting a scumread he's not confident in but once someone points out that voting is part of mafia saitama calls the subject of keanu's case (halo lamb) scummy.


Wartrukk
Profile Joined February 2016
152 Posts
February 11 2016 21:20 GMT
#264
Why did halo lamb get a free pass?

Halo lamb types a lot like LS, to contradict my early game and smurfhunt
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 11 2016 21:22 GMT
#265
I understand that Gold made some "shittier" posts than unholy, but if it were left up to me it'd be a 50/50 coin toss between them for today's lynch. I don't think I can judge someone's alignment based on 2/3 small posts in the "Joking phase" (this goes for both players).
In fact, Gold's inactivity seems consistent with his "I don't give a shit" character, while it seems stranger unholy would go AFK when he got into the game with guns blazing, making it seem he was interested in the game (or appeared to be so):

On February 10 2016 19:47 unholyflare wrote:
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On February 10 2016 10:40 Wartrukk wrote:
So saying you're going to out smurfs, I say I think that's scummy (I still do) and after you go about trying to out smurfs you come back to my post and say "Joke phase lol"

Yeah, I'm the one fabricating reads, right?

I don't understand how you or anyone can believe this. If, somehow, we know the identities of all/most of the people in the game, it would be easier to scumhunt. I think you're pretty suspicious for this as it suggests you have something to hide.



Other than those two, the more the day goes on the more Wartoks' inactivity starts to rub me the wrong (scummy) way. I believe saita and NNN to be town (saita for reasons started before, NNN for the initial read I had, and ... well the buddy buddy thing going on recently which gives me good vibes).

Valdi seems okay, I like the "I'm posting threads as I read the game" attitude (since scum are more likely to read the whole thread first before posting reads so they can plan their agenda).
Garga is 100% null and I can't be confident in lynching nor defending him in a D1 like this. I've already spoken about Bhaal.

So yeah, amazing D1 (/s).
See ya

PRE-EDIT: Oh, Warty posted. Whatever I already have this post typed up
Whoa!
Bhaal LoM
Profile Joined January 2016
54 Posts
February 11 2016 21:28 GMT
#266
On February 12 2016 06:20 Wartrukk wrote:
Why did halo lamb get a free pass?

Halo lamb types a lot like LS, to contradict my early game and smurfhunt

Who is LS? I never heard of him honestly. Like I said I haven't played since 2013. Is he a good or bad player?
Bhaal LoM
Profile Joined January 2016
54 Posts
February 11 2016 21:29 GMT
#267
BTW I don't even know what LS even means o.o
Wartrukk
Profile Joined February 2016
152 Posts
February 11 2016 21:29 GMT
#268
Well, he leaves out the word 'am' a lot in his sentences which you have done twice but I honestly don't care to give a bio
Mr Darcy
Profile Joined January 2016
73 Posts
February 11 2016 21:31 GMT
#269
On February 11 2016 23:19 Valdiano wrote:
on page 11, looking at the so-called lurker filters as well.

can someone help me with understanding saita's posts or does anyone else think they might be scummy?

first, I read the keanu case and saita's reactions to it on page 11.

first, like a few people said, honestly for day 1 play, I saw keanu's case as furthering discussion, which is a towny trait. nothing inherently scummy about presenting the ideas and wanting to get more information out of a player who has given him some doubt for his alignment. also was explicitly stated "best lead I've got."

I look at saita's subsequent posts discussing backdoors. If town discusses the case and decide it's not worth merit, that's great, you can always drop it. pushing a case beyond reasonable discussion I'd say is scummy but that's not what I saw happening here. his posts bottom of page 10/top page 11 made it look to me like he was trying to push that unreasonably. also why it is impossible for good towns to possibly be wrong on "bad towns"? it seems like he (saita) was completely excluding that possibility.

then in post 204 he's saying he cannot see a town motive for it yet he sees the reason (it could be town???)
I'm still struggling to find how saita is making that case sound like it's exclusively scummy when it's clear he's trying to at least get a reaction from his target that will clarify things. to me, saita just looks bad. am I missing something here?

post 204/206 seem to be addressing completely conflicting points - even suggesting that Keanu is town, he's suggesting he's wasting space or still questioning why he has to explicitly state that, as if doing so was scummy.

You can't tell when you have changed someone's mind?
I am a mafia smurf.
Mr Darcy
Profile Joined January 2016
73 Posts
February 11 2016 21:36 GMT
#270
You who are voting gold and yet still scumread:

Do you think I was bussing? What is my motive to bus?

So since I am very intuitive, and don't exhaustively explain everything I say that doesn't fit your tiny paradigms, I am scum.

since I get into lectures explaining what I said, I am scum.

Yeah, someone pushing me is scum or town is being bad and needs to think harder.
I am a mafia smurf.
Mr Darcy
Profile Joined January 2016
73 Posts
February 11 2016 21:38 GMT
#271
On February 12 2016 06:01 Bhaal LoM wrote:
So nnn and keanuisgod coming around my alignment I also see that people are voting gold now. The wagon seem to be built up pretty fast o.o

Well he still hasn't done anything but whine

What Is to be expected?
I am a mafia smurf.
Bhaal LoM
Profile Joined January 2016
54 Posts
February 11 2016 21:41 GMT
#272
On February 12 2016 06:38 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
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On February 12 2016 06:01 Bhaal LoM wrote:
So nnn and keanuisgod coming around my alignment I also see that people are voting gold now. The wagon seem to be built up pretty fast o.o

Well he still hasn't done anything but whine

What Is to be expected?

True but the rate it grew kind of concerns me a bit. When a wagon forms that fast it maybe is town that is being lynched but then again sometimes mafia get lynched that fast too(shrugs).
Mr Darcy
Profile Joined January 2016
73 Posts
February 11 2016 21:41 GMT
#273
On February 12 2016 01:58 keanuisgod wrote:
Hmmm. Damn

Notes on Bhaal:

1 - He had a bandwagon against him (3 votes, with 5 necessary to lynch). Yet he kept the same exact attitude and posting behavior. He didn't panic, didn't try to plead or act differently in an unnatural way (e.g instantly trying to FOS someone)
2 -
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On February 11 2016 12:46 Bhaal LoM wrote:
Man when I around no one is around jesus.....
Anyways like I said I think Sait is town and vald as town despite the fact Sait is voting me.

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On February 11 2016 12:49 Bhaal LoM wrote:
nnn is null because I dislike his smurf hunting over scum hunting but his content otherwsie was okay. War seems townie too I think he was attacking nnn hard on his smurf hunting stuff.


He's the leading bandwagon and he can only muster town/null reads? Other than me/NNN he basically called every "active" people town, giving himself no outs in terms of dropping suspicion off him. He only ended up with scum between lurkers after pondering, which he did follow up later, but not much. As scum, he'd be actively trying NOT to put pressure off him, as the leading lynch. If not, at least he'd be showing some kind of panic or fear, which he didn't.

3 - If he is indeed "helpess town", I guess it makes sense. This D1 is slow in content and activity, we acknowledge that and he does too. Based on this and town reading some people, if he was town there wouldn't be much he could be doing to gain new reads, other than interacting in the thread posting his thought process and doubts, which is what he's been doing.

Bhaal came out better from this so far. Heart wins this battle then

#Unvote

I'm not ready to bandwagon on Gold yet. Unholy may have had the "nicer" posts, but that doesn't exempt him from being mafia trying to blend in, rather than mafia trying to shit the thread (which is what you guys are accusing Gold of).

Bhaal has seemed noob town, and I agree with this with one exception: Scum can totally keep their cool.

As it's leader, I am totally comfortable with the goldrom wagon.
I am a mafia smurf.
Mr Darcy
Profile Joined January 2016
73 Posts
February 11 2016 21:47 GMT
#274
On February 12 2016 06:41 Bhaal LoM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2016 06:38 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
On February 12 2016 06:01 Bhaal LoM wrote:
So nnn and keanuisgod coming around my alignment I also see that people are voting gold now. The wagon seem to be built up pretty fast o.o

Well he still hasn't done anything but whine

What Is to be expected?

True but the rate it grew kind of concerns me a bit. When a wagon forms that fast it maybe is town that is being lynched but then again sometimes mafia get lynched that fast too(shrugs).

This is true but a day 1 lynch is so highly unlikely to hit scum that some people advocate RNG right away.

In this case, I am now ready to lynch goldrom or unholy, and even gargame still since his other lurker vote was fast and lackluster. But one of the other two first.

I am not yet reading the active players, but I hate inactivity.
I am a mafia smurf.
Bhaal LoM
Profile Joined January 2016
54 Posts
February 11 2016 21:49 GMT
#275
On February 12 2016 06:47 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2016 06:41 Bhaal LoM wrote:
On February 12 2016 06:38 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
On February 12 2016 06:01 Bhaal LoM wrote:
So nnn and keanuisgod coming around my alignment I also see that people are voting gold now. The wagon seem to be built up pretty fast o.o

Well he still hasn't done anything but whine

What Is to be expected?

True but the rate it grew kind of concerns me a bit. When a wagon forms that fast it maybe is town that is being lynched but then again sometimes mafia get lynched that fast too(shrugs).

This is true but a day 1 lynch is so highly unlikely to hit scum that some people advocate RNG right away.

In this case, I am now ready to lynch goldrom or unholy, and even gargame still since his other lurker vote was fast and lackluster. But one of the other two first.

I am not yet reading the active players, but I hate inactivity.

I do hate inactivity myself too. I am voting gold for now so I don't get mod killed for not voting. If we get a different wagon going I would willing to check it out.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 11 2016 21:49 GMT
#276
On February 12 2016 06:20 Wartrukk wrote:
Why did halo lamb get a free pass?

Halo lamb types a lot like LS, to contradict my early game and smurfhunt

hmm.
There was a point in the game where LS posted by mistake and edited out his post. So one player in this game is LS. And due to the timing, it looks like it could be bhaal, saitama, or keanu.
But why would LS lie about not having played since 2013 and being a newb? The motivations behind that are surely scummy. I don't expect scum to make such a big lie after they smurfslip in the thread.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 11 2016 21:54 GMT
#277
On February 12 2016 06:41 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
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On February 12 2016 01:58 keanuisgod wrote:
Hmmm. Damn

Notes on Bhaal:

1 - He had a bandwagon against him (3 votes, with 5 necessary to lynch). Yet he kept the same exact attitude and posting behavior. He didn't panic, didn't try to plead or act differently in an unnatural way (e.g instantly trying to FOS someone)
2 -
On February 11 2016 12:46 Bhaal LoM wrote:
Man when I around no one is around jesus.....
Anyways like I said I think Sait is town and vald as town despite the fact Sait is voting me.

On February 11 2016 12:49 Bhaal LoM wrote:
nnn is null because I dislike his smurf hunting over scum hunting but his content otherwsie was okay. War seems townie too I think he was attacking nnn hard on his smurf hunting stuff.


He's the leading bandwagon and he can only muster town/null reads? Other than me/NNN he basically called every "active" people town, giving himself no outs in terms of dropping suspicion off him. He only ended up with scum between lurkers after pondering, which he did follow up later, but not much. As scum, he'd be actively trying NOT to put pressure off him, as the leading lynch. If not, at least he'd be showing some kind of panic or fear, which he didn't.

3 - If he is indeed "helpess town", I guess it makes sense. This D1 is slow in content and activity, we acknowledge that and he does too. Based on this and town reading some people, if he was town there wouldn't be much he could be doing to gain new reads, other than interacting in the thread posting his thought process and doubts, which is what he's been doing.

Bhaal came out better from this so far. Heart wins this battle then

#Unvote

I'm not ready to bandwagon on Gold yet. Unholy may have had the "nicer" posts, but that doesn't exempt him from being mafia trying to blend in, rather than mafia trying to shit the thread (which is what you guys are accusing Gold of).

Bhaal has seemed noob town, and I agree with this with one exception: Scum can totally keep their cool.

As it's leader, I am totally comfortable with the goldrom wagon.


As whats leader?
Bhaal LoM
Profile Joined January 2016
54 Posts
February 11 2016 21:55 GMT
#278
On February 12 2016 06:41 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2016 01:58 keanuisgod wrote:
Hmmm. Damn

Notes on Bhaal:

1 - He had a bandwagon against him (3 votes, with 5 necessary to lynch). Yet he kept the same exact attitude and posting behavior. He didn't panic, didn't try to plead or act differently in an unnatural way (e.g instantly trying to FOS someone)
2 -
On February 11 2016 12:46 Bhaal LoM wrote:
Man when I around no one is around jesus.....
Anyways like I said I think Sait is town and vald as town despite the fact Sait is voting me.

On February 11 2016 12:49 Bhaal LoM wrote:
nnn is null because I dislike his smurf hunting over scum hunting but his content otherwsie was okay. War seems townie too I think he was attacking nnn hard on his smurf hunting stuff.


He's the leading bandwagon and he can only muster town/null reads? Other than me/NNN he basically called every "active" people town, giving himself no outs in terms of dropping suspicion off him. He only ended up with scum between lurkers after pondering, which he did follow up later, but not much. As scum, he'd be actively trying NOT to put pressure off him, as the leading lynch. If not, at least he'd be showing some kind of panic or fear, which he didn't.

3 - If he is indeed "helpess town", I guess it makes sense. This D1 is slow in content and activity, we acknowledge that and he does too. Based on this and town reading some people, if he was town there wouldn't be much he could be doing to gain new reads, other than interacting in the thread posting his thought process and doubts, which is what he's been doing.

Bhaal came out better from this so far. Heart wins this battle then

#Unvote

I'm not ready to bandwagon on Gold yet. Unholy may have had the "nicer" posts, but that doesn't exempt him from being mafia trying to blend in, rather than mafia trying to shit the thread (which is what you guys are accusing Gold of).

Bhaal has seemed noob town, and I agree with this with one exception: Scum can totally keep their cool.

As it's leader, I am totally comfortable with the goldrom wagon.

Honestly you only voted just now and I think it was one of hte lurkers who actually started his vote on him.
Bhaal LoM
Profile Joined January 2016
54 Posts
February 11 2016 21:56 GMT
#279
This was the guy who put his vote on Gold first:
On February 11 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote:
he could be SL maybe, either that or ls

either way i think goldrom is VA and i want to kill him with fire

##Vote 77Goldrom

Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-11 22:17:05
February 11 2016 22:15 GMT
#280
Vote Count


Bhaal LoM (0): keanuisgod, nnn_thekushmountains, saitamaofonepunch
77GoldROM (6): saitamaofonepunch, GargamelxD, nnn_thekushmountains, Valdiano, keanuisgod, saitamaofonepunch, Bhall LoM
Wartrukk (0): nnn_thekushmountains


Not Voting (3): 77GoldROM, unholyflare, Wartrukk

At this time, 77GoldROM is slated to be lynched.

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch


Day 1 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here
Only votes there will be counted.

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