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Wartrukk
Profile Joined February 2016
152 Posts
February 12 2016 06:00 GMT
#301
wait lol LS got modkilled, was the guy who was lying (and obviously LS) and ALSO VT

I didn't really care about this game before and now I REALLY don't care
GargamelxD
Profile Joined February 2016
59 Posts
February 12 2016 06:04 GMT
#302
On February 12 2016 15:00 Wartrukk wrote:
wait lol LS got modkilled, was the guy who was lying (and obviously LS) and ALSO VT

I didn't really care about this game before and now I REALLY don't care


hearing it from me was just as good as a modconfirmation, yams
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 12 2016 06:10 GMT
#303
On February 12 2016 14:59 Wartrukk wrote:
lol nice omgus this is funny.


... how can it be OMGUS if you never accused me of anything ...

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Whoa!
Wartrukk
Profile Joined February 2016
152 Posts
February 12 2016 06:20 GMT
#304
On February 12 2016 15:10 keanuisgod wrote:
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On February 12 2016 14:59 Wartrukk wrote:
lol nice omgus this is funny.


... how can it be OMGUS if you never accused me of anything ...

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wait what I thought saitama posted the other thing

oh well
Wartrukk
Profile Joined February 2016
152 Posts
February 12 2016 06:20 GMT
#305
yeah it was you, saitama is the probe
Mr Darcy
Profile Joined January 2016
73 Posts
February 12 2016 06:26 GMT
#306
Your thinking I scumread you for omgus is like your having thought that with nnn
I am a mafia smurf.
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 12 2016 06:33 GMT
#307
I could see saitama being scum only because he says so in his sig: "I am a mafia smurf"
Sigs don't lie ...
Whoa!
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-12 12:21:11
February 12 2016 12:20 GMT
#308
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 12 2016 12:22 GMT
#309
On February 12 2016 15:33 keanuisgod wrote:
I could see saitama being scum only because he says so in his sig: "I am a mafia smurf"
Sigs don't lie ...

Lol.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 12 2016 12:29 GMT
#310
On February 12 2016 10:03 keanuisgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2016 07:39 Wartrukk wrote:
Wow this wagon looks like trash


Show nested quote +
On February 12 2016 07:41 Wartrukk wrote:
Scumtama and lying LS on the same wagon on a lurker. Wowie


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On February 12 2016 07:53 Wartrukk wrote:
Deadline is now, isn't it? I'm voting saitama i have real reasons but am still busy.


It's really nice to come back to activity 1-2 hours before the lynch and shout how the "wagon looks like trash" isn't it?
It's also really nice to vote right at the last moment to someone who is OBVIOUSLY not getting lynched and making no effort to try to get him lynched

It also isn't suspicious at all to vote someone completely unrelated to the lynch and wait until the last second (when you KNOW your vote doesn't count and thus you can't be held accountable for anything) by just saying "I have real reasons but am still busy"


Anyways, we know Bhaal is town now, so please explain your read on him. These are your only posts about him

Show nested quote +
On February 11 2016 05:33 Wartrukk wrote:
Bhaal lom is still in my leanscum pile.


Show nested quote +
On February 12 2016 06:20 Wartrukk wrote:
Why did halo lamb get a free pass?

Halo lamb types a lot like LS, to contradict my early game and smurfhunt


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On February 12 2016 07:41 Wartrukk wrote:
Scumtama and lying LS on the same wagon on a lurker. Wowie


Why exactly was he in your "leanscum" pile? What does the "lying LS" thing have to do with anything? Did you even pay attention to my case on him and the later change of heart of many people in the thread about him?


When wartrukk came into the thread, the 77goldrom lynch was inevitable. Why does it matter who he voted?
Who he voted was obv not getting lynched, but 77 was just as obv getting lynched.
So youre pushing him on something he couldn't control.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 12 2016 12:33 GMT
#311
I think I know one memeber of the scumteam, which I will reveal later.
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 12 2016 12:57 GMT
#312
On February 12 2016 21:29 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2016 10:03 keanuisgod wrote:
On February 12 2016 07:39 Wartrukk wrote:
Wow this wagon looks like trash


On February 12 2016 07:41 Wartrukk wrote:
Scumtama and lying LS on the same wagon on a lurker. Wowie


On February 12 2016 07:53 Wartrukk wrote:
Deadline is now, isn't it? I'm voting saitama i have real reasons but am still busy.


It's really nice to come back to activity 1-2 hours before the lynch and shout how the "wagon looks like trash" isn't it?
It's also really nice to vote right at the last moment to someone who is OBVIOUSLY not getting lynched and making no effort to try to get him lynched

It also isn't suspicious at all to vote someone completely unrelated to the lynch and wait until the last second (when you KNOW your vote doesn't count and thus you can't be held accountable for anything) by just saying "I have real reasons but am still busy"


Anyways, we know Bhaal is town now, so please explain your read on him. These are your only posts about him

On February 11 2016 05:33 Wartrukk wrote:
Bhaal lom is still in my leanscum pile.


On February 12 2016 06:20 Wartrukk wrote:
Why did halo lamb get a free pass?

Halo lamb types a lot like LS, to contradict my early game and smurfhunt


On February 12 2016 07:41 Wartrukk wrote:
Scumtama and lying LS on the same wagon on a lurker. Wowie


Why exactly was he in your "leanscum" pile? What does the "lying LS" thing have to do with anything? Did you even pay attention to my case on him and the later change of heart of many people in the thread about him?


When wartrukk came into the thread, the 77goldrom lynch was inevitable. Why does it matter who he voted?
Who he voted was obv not getting lynched, but 77 was just as obv getting lynched.
So youre pushing him on something he couldn't control.


From what I remember Wartruk was posting and stuff when I left, and I think before saitama and Bhaal have made their votes (thus it'd be 4 votes on Gold by then).

Either way, him making sporadic posts here and there but not following up what town is doing (like ... lynching someone, and having a previous wagon on Bhaal too) is scummy to me. Wasting your vote, depending on the situation is scummy too ... and I believe this is one of those situations.
Whoa!
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 12 2016 13:26 GMT
#313
On February 12 2016 21:57 keanuisgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2016 21:29 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On February 12 2016 10:03 keanuisgod wrote:
On February 12 2016 07:39 Wartrukk wrote:
Wow this wagon looks like trash


On February 12 2016 07:41 Wartrukk wrote:
Scumtama and lying LS on the same wagon on a lurker. Wowie


On February 12 2016 07:53 Wartrukk wrote:
Deadline is now, isn't it? I'm voting saitama i have real reasons but am still busy.


It's really nice to come back to activity 1-2 hours before the lynch and shout how the "wagon looks like trash" isn't it?
It's also really nice to vote right at the last moment to someone who is OBVIOUSLY not getting lynched and making no effort to try to get him lynched

It also isn't suspicious at all to vote someone completely unrelated to the lynch and wait until the last second (when you KNOW your vote doesn't count and thus you can't be held accountable for anything) by just saying "I have real reasons but am still busy"


Anyways, we know Bhaal is town now, so please explain your read on him. These are your only posts about him

On February 11 2016 05:33 Wartrukk wrote:
Bhaal lom is still in my leanscum pile.


On February 12 2016 06:20 Wartrukk wrote:
Why did halo lamb get a free pass?

Halo lamb types a lot like LS, to contradict my early game and smurfhunt


On February 12 2016 07:41 Wartrukk wrote:
Scumtama and lying LS on the same wagon on a lurker. Wowie


Why exactly was he in your "leanscum" pile? What does the "lying LS" thing have to do with anything? Did you even pay attention to my case on him and the later change of heart of many people in the thread about him?


When wartrukk came into the thread, the 77goldrom lynch was inevitable. Why does it matter who he voted?
Who he voted was obv not getting lynched, but 77 was just as obv getting lynched.
So youre pushing him on something he couldn't control.


From what I remember Wartruk was posting and stuff when I left, and I think before saitama and Bhaal have made their votes (thus it'd be 4 votes on Gold by then).

Either way, him making sporadic posts here and there but not following up what town is doing (like ... lynching someone, and having a previous wagon on Bhaal too) is scummy to me. Wasting your vote, depending on the situation is scummy too ... and I believe this is one of those situations.


So you are calling him scummy for not pushing his lynch harder. That's all I see in this argument.
Because at the point in time when he said 'this wagon sucks" and threw his vote away, there was nothing he could do. It's not fair to criticize him for his actions at that point.
How could he have NOT wasted his vote??

His scumreads look fine to me. Bhaal was straight up lying about his real identity. He was acting like a newb who hadn't played since 2013. He was pretty clearly LS who is not a newb and has played many games since 2013. I see a lot of scum motivation behind pretending you're a newb when you're not.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 12 2016 13:50 GMT
#314
Look at NM's scum filter from newbie 18. Remind you of anyone?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500060-newbie-student-mafia-xviii?user=NocturneMage
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 12 2016 14:15 GMT
#315
On February 12 2016 22:26 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2016 21:57 keanuisgod wrote:
On February 12 2016 21:29 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On February 12 2016 10:03 keanuisgod wrote:
On February 12 2016 07:39 Wartrukk wrote:
Wow this wagon looks like trash


On February 12 2016 07:41 Wartrukk wrote:
Scumtama and lying LS on the same wagon on a lurker. Wowie


On February 12 2016 07:53 Wartrukk wrote:
Deadline is now, isn't it? I'm voting saitama i have real reasons but am still busy.


It's really nice to come back to activity 1-2 hours before the lynch and shout how the "wagon looks like trash" isn't it?
It's also really nice to vote right at the last moment to someone who is OBVIOUSLY not getting lynched and making no effort to try to get him lynched

It also isn't suspicious at all to vote someone completely unrelated to the lynch and wait until the last second (when you KNOW your vote doesn't count and thus you can't be held accountable for anything) by just saying "I have real reasons but am still busy"


Anyways, we know Bhaal is town now, so please explain your read on him. These are your only posts about him

On February 11 2016 05:33 Wartrukk wrote:
Bhaal lom is still in my leanscum pile.


On February 12 2016 06:20 Wartrukk wrote:
Why did halo lamb get a free pass?

Halo lamb types a lot like LS, to contradict my early game and smurfhunt


On February 12 2016 07:41 Wartrukk wrote:
Scumtama and lying LS on the same wagon on a lurker. Wowie


Why exactly was he in your "leanscum" pile? What does the "lying LS" thing have to do with anything? Did you even pay attention to my case on him and the later change of heart of many people in the thread about him?


When wartrukk came into the thread, the 77goldrom lynch was inevitable. Why does it matter who he voted?
Who he voted was obv not getting lynched, but 77 was just as obv getting lynched.
So youre pushing him on something he couldn't control.


From what I remember Wartruk was posting and stuff when I left, and I think before saitama and Bhaal have made their votes (thus it'd be 4 votes on Gold by then).

Either way, him making sporadic posts here and there but not following up what town is doing (like ... lynching someone, and having a previous wagon on Bhaal too) is scummy to me. Wasting your vote, depending on the situation is scummy too ... and I believe this is one of those situations.


So you are calling him scummy for not pushing his lynch harder. That's all I see in this argument.
Because at the point in time when he said 'this wagon sucks" and threw his vote away, there was nothing he could do. It's not fair to criticize him for his actions at that point.
How could he have NOT wasted his vote??

His scumreads look fine to me. Bhaal was straight up lying about his real identity. He was acting like a newb who hadn't played since 2013. He was pretty clearly LS who is not a newb and has played many games since 2013. I see a lot of scum motivation behind pretending you're a newb when you're not.


The point is what he HAS NOT done up until that point. He proved his activity throughout the day by making some (irregular) posts here and there. Yes, if THE ONLY thing he had done in the day is appear 15 minutes before the deadline, there would not be much to do. But he had like 24 hours instead (let's say, between where the "Joking" and "No Content" phase ended and when D1 ended).
If I disagree with a wagon, I have an alternative candidate, and I am active 2 hours before deadline I'd try to push said lynch throughout that time.

But well, whatever, agree to disagree, at least for the moment.
Whoa!
Mr Darcy
Profile Joined January 2016
73 Posts
February 12 2016 14:38 GMT
#316
Lol I just didn't clear this smurf with any mods.

Anyway. Onward with trying to think about inactivity plagued game...
I am a mafia smurf.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 12 2016 15:03 GMT
#317
Look at vlad's day 1.
He is tunneled on saitama but it never goes anwywhere. If he has a scumread, why not push that lynch? He never communicated why he doesn't want to push a saitama lynch.

Actually what he's doing looks like high level nitpicking. He is pointing little stuff wrong with what saitama is saying, but never actually connecting it to saitama being scum..
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 12 2016 17:38 GMT
#318
On February 12 2016 00:24 GargamelxD wrote:
im sure who valdiano is but might be a pro impostor, kinda doubt it though.

the player is town


I'm kind of interested in Garga's smurfhunting here though. You make a town read on Valdi based on smurhunting, and a seemingly strong one to boot.
Care to tell us who you think Valdiano is, and why that makes him town?
Whoa!
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 12 2016 17:53 GMT
#319
Valdi sure seems like a dude having trouble to "understand" saita and people

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 11 2016 01:02 Valdiano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2016 23:26 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
Unfortunately, it smacks a bit townie.

Also no I don't expect much alignment indication in the start of the game. Hence, so much stuff is NAI.



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On February 11 2016 00:28 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
On February 11 2016 00:00 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
So is it correct to assume you have the same read on both Wartruck and myself: bad players who are leaning townie?

And your definition of omgus is what? And we are leaning town because of the omgusing itself or because we omgused in a townie way?

That assumption is not correct. You are players who have done a bad play that is more often town than scum in alignment indication.

My definition of omgus is reading a player as scum simply because they read you as scum.

Neither of you has progressed from null.


this post is difficult to understand. if I understand it correctly this is a bad post.


On February 11 2016 01:14 Valdiano wrote:
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On February 10 2016 12:01 keanuisgod wrote:
Considering NNN's recent attempts at smurf-hunting it does seem like it won't produce many useful results, thus allowing scum to smurfhunt on their own in their QT, but confusing the heck out of town (and most likely NNN if he acts on said "smurf reads")


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On February 10 2016 13:56 keanuisgod wrote:
Right now 5 players (including you) haven't made posts of significance. I feel like it wouldn't be a stretch for 1 or both scum to be in that group.
Of the remaining three that were (somewhat) actively posting (NNN, Warty and saita), for now their conversations felt like regular D1 banter, though some things they did/said can be taken notice for later in the day (to see how they follow up with them). Being active right off the bat in D1 is a plus too, at least if that motivation/activity is followed up in the rest of the game (another thing to take notice of).

And then there's me, a poor little townie trying to make a living in this new smurf world.


so there's a few things I don't like about this reading your filter or that I don't understand. You are discussing the effects of nnn's scumhunting in this first quote but you are dismissing it as banter. what makes you think this presumably isn't alignment indicative?


On February 11 2016 23:19 Valdiano wrote:
on page 11, looking at the so-called lurker filters as well.

can someone help me with understanding saita's posts or does anyone else think they might be scummy?

first, I read the keanu case and saita's reactions to it on page 11.

first, like a few people said, honestly for day 1 play, I saw keanu's case as furthering discussion, which is a towny trait. nothing inherently scummy about presenting the ideas and wanting to get more information out of a player who has given him some doubt for his alignment. also was explicitly stated "best lead I've got."

I look at saita's subsequent posts discussing backdoors. If town discusses the case and decide it's not worth merit, that's great, you can always drop it. pushing a case beyond reasonable discussion I'd say is scummy but that's not what I saw happening here. his posts bottom of page 10/top page 11 made it look to me like he was trying to push that unreasonably. also why it is impossible for good towns to possibly be wrong on "bad towns"? it seems like he (saita) was completely excluding that possibility.

then in post 204 he's saying he cannot see a town motive for it yet he sees the reason (it could be town???)
I'm still struggling to find how saita is making that case sound like it's exclusively scummy when it's clear he's trying to at least get a reaction from his target that will clarify things. to me, saita just looks bad. am I missing something here?

post 204/206 seem to be addressing completely conflicting points - even suggesting that Keanu is town, he's suggesting he's wasting space or still questioning why he has to explicitly state that, as if doing so was scummy.


On February 11 2016 23:24 Valdiano wrote:
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On February 11 2016 05:33 Wartrukk wrote:
Wartrukk
On February 10 2016 21:11 Wartrukk wrote:
On February 10 2016 19:47 unholyflare wrote:
On February 10 2016 10:40 Wartrukk wrote:
So saying you're going to out smurfs, I say I think that's scummy (I still do) and after you go about trying to out smurfs you come back to my post and say "Joke phase lol"

Yeah, I'm the one fabricating reads, right?

I don't understand how you or anyone can believe this. If, somehow, we know the identities of all/most of the people in the game, it would be easier to scumhunt. I think you're pretty suspicious for this as it suggests you have something to hide.

I'm checking the thread before I go to bed but one more time, we can't know the identities of anyone for sure it only creates wifom

For some people we can be close to 100% sure of their identity. For instance, I am close to 100% sure that keanuisgod is shapelog.
Even if you disagree, wouldn't the obvious identity of a smurf be helpful for some rough but effective metaing? ie if keanu aka shapelog has a huge filter, that doesn't necessarily point to him being town.

On February 10 2016 11:50 Wartrukk wrote:
I'm going to take a break I think I'm tunneled on the smurf hunting idea too hard. I'm not taking back what I said as I still think there is a clear mafia motivation for it but I can't articulate them properly it seems

I didn't realize you were actually tunneled on me for smurf hunting. Exactly how sure were you that I was scum?


I guess if meta reads are all you are confident in making then a 99% smurf read is fine I just don't think it's 100% even if you truly believe you are the smurf detective.

I used the word tunneled because I was tunneled on the idea that smurf huntingis super scummy and since you seemed, in my eyes, to be fighting me for no real reason.

I'm over the smurf thing now. Bhaal lom is still in my leanscum pile, NNN is null because i admit he posted some stuff (like early game to saitama) that I was thinking. Vald is coming out of the gate strong andI think that's towny, especially if he replaced in on short notice. Saitama had a weird early game and I had him as leanscum last night but I haven't read too closely the 30 or so posts from last night.


another point that I feel needs some clarification - this sounds like mindmeld to me, which people from their perspective, view as towny, so why is he still null? just wondering.

also if you can further discuss saita, that might be great. he's the one active player I'm having difficulty understanding.




On February 11 2016 01:06 Valdiano wrote:
doublechecked saita's filter to make sure I didn't miss anything from conversation but there's nothing alignment indicative from it that could have applied to that last post.

although I do get an impression of posting just to post, reading his filter.

there were opportunities I think in 1-2 posts where he could have taken a stance on nnn/war

going to say a scumlean for now.


Can you give us the evolution of your read on saitama? Throughout D1 you make comments about him, ask him questions, keep sayin you "can't understand him", but you drop the "going to say a scumlean for now" read in the middle, which feels out of place, since the rest of your posts seem to indicate you actually being null on him.

Whoa!
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 12 2016 18:02 GMT
#320
So shape aka keanu, so agree with my on valdi. Do you agree that he's probably nm in which case it matches a lot of how he played in newbie 18?
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