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on page 11, looking at the so-called lurker filters as well.
can someone help me with understanding saita's posts or does anyone else think they might be scummy?
first, I read the keanu case and saita's reactions to it on page 11.
first, like a few people said, honestly for day 1 play, I saw keanu's case as furthering discussion, which is a towny trait. nothing inherently scummy about presenting the ideas and wanting to get more information out of a player who has given him some doubt for his alignment. also was explicitly stated "best lead I've got."
I look at saita's subsequent posts discussing backdoors. If town discusses the case and decide it's not worth merit, that's great, you can always drop it. pushing a case beyond reasonable discussion I'd say is scummy but that's not what I saw happening here. his posts bottom of page 10/top page 11 made it look to me like he was trying to push that unreasonably. also why it is impossible for good towns to possibly be wrong on "bad towns"? it seems like he (saita) was completely excluding that possibility.
then in post 204 he's saying he cannot see a town motive for it yet he sees the reason (it could be town???)
I'm still struggling to find how saita is making that case sound like it's exclusively scummy when it's clear he's trying to at least get a reaction from his target that will clarify things. to me, saita just looks bad. am I missing something here?
post 204/206 seem to be addressing completely conflicting points - even suggesting that Keanu is town, he's suggesting he's wasting space or still questioning why he has to explicitly state that, as if doing so was scummy.
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On February 11 2016 05:33 Wartrukk wrote:Show nested quote +WartrukkOn February 10 2016 21:11 Wartrukk wrote:On February 10 2016 19:47 unholyflare wrote:On February 10 2016 10:40 Wartrukk wrote:
So saying you're going to out smurfs, I say I think that's scummy (I still do) and after you go about trying to out smurfs you come back to my post and say "Joke phase lol"
Yeah, I'm the one fabricating reads, right? I don't understand how you or anyone can believe this. If, somehow, we know the identities of all/most of the people in the game, it would be easier to scumhunt. I think you're pretty suspicious for this as it suggests you have something to hide. I'm checking the thread before I go to bed but one more time, we can't know the identities of anyone for sure it only creates wifom For some people we can be close to 100% sure of their identity. For instance, I am close to 100% sure that keanuisgod is shapelog. Even if you disagree, wouldn't the obvious identity of a smurf be helpful for some rough but effective metaing? ie if keanu aka shapelog has a huge filter, that doesn't necessarily point to him being town. On February 10 2016 11:50 Wartrukk wrote:
I'm going to take a break I think I'm tunneled on the smurf hunting idea too hard. I'm not taking back what I said as I still think there is a clear mafia motivation for it but I can't articulate them properly it seems I didn't realize you were actually tunneled on me for smurf hunting. Exactly how sure were you that I was scum? I guess if meta reads are all you are confident in making then a 99% smurf read is fine I just don't think it's 100% even if you truly believe you are the smurf detective. I used the word tunneled because I was tunneled on the idea that smurf huntingis super scummy and since you seemed, in my eyes, to be fighting me for no real reason. I'm over the smurf thing now. Bhaal lom is still in my leanscum pile, NNN is null because i admit he posted some stuff (like early game to saitama) that I was thinking. Vald is coming out of the gate strong andI think that's towny, especially if he replaced in on short notice. Saitama had a weird early game and I had him as leanscum last night but I haven't read too closely the 30 or so posts from last night.
another point that I feel needs some clarification - this sounds like mindmeld to me, which people from their perspective, view as towny, so why is he still null? just wondering.
also if you can further discuss saita, that might be great. he's the one active player I'm having difficulty understanding.
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On February 11 2016 12:49 Bhaal LoM wrote:
nnn is null because I dislike his smurf hunting over scum hunting but his content otherwsie was okay. War seems townie too I think he was attacking nnn hard on his smurf hunting stuff.
since you're in the thread atm, wanted to ask you on this post - did you not feel that his smurf hunting had a purpose and he was just posting to post?
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overall on the part of lynching lurkers, going to hunt for scum first, or discuss things that look questionable before falling back on a lurker, generally how I roll.
if I had to lynch any of the severely low content posters for uselessness right now, I'd say that 77Gold would "win" over unholyflare, if only for unholyflare making that one slight observation.
garg is okay to me.
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On February 11 2016 23:15 Bhaal LoM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2016 23:09 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 11 2016 22:59 Bhaal LoM wrote:On February 11 2016 22:54 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 11 2016 22:49 Bhaal LoM wrote:On February 11 2016 22:46 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 11 2016 22:40 Bhaal LoM wrote:On February 11 2016 22:36 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Bhaal, And 77gold? You didn't check his filter either? Doesn't this quote from you imply that you compared all of the lurkers, garg(lurker that point in time), 77goldrom, and unholy? Like if any of the lurkers are scum prob is Gargame I did check gold's filter and I thought his content was meh. Are you going to do stuff on your own, or do you want to be directed with questions? I more a person who needs direction I will be honest with that :\ Do you still want to lynch gargamel after his recent activity? Who do you want to lynch and why? garg stuff from last night made him look better in my opinion. I don't want to lynch him atm unless something major comes up. On who to lynch: I don't know man to many lurkers >.< I normally hunt better when we got a lot of content(I was always a good late game player). So why not join garg in voting 77goldrom? At the very least it would get rid of a lurker. Because if he flips town then we got little to no info unless you talking about the people who voted for him. Also lurking is NAI for the most part anyways.
someone mentioned earlier in the thread that with overall low game activity lurking is quite viable for scum, I'm willing to bet there's probably one lurker out of the two as it is.
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On February 11 2016 23:27 Valdiano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2016 12:49 Bhaal LoM wrote:
nnn is null because I dislike his smurf hunting over scum hunting but his content otherwsie was okay. War seems townie too I think he was attacking nnn hard on his smurf hunting stuff. since you're in the thread atm, wanted to ask you on this post - did you not feel that his smurf hunting had a purpose and he was just posting to post?
I just didn't like smurf hunting in general in the thread which is why I didn't like it.
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On February 11 2016 23:38 Valdiano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2016 23:15 Bhaal LoM wrote:On February 11 2016 23:09 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 11 2016 22:59 Bhaal LoM wrote:On February 11 2016 22:54 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 11 2016 22:49 Bhaal LoM wrote:On February 11 2016 22:46 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On February 11 2016 22:40 Bhaal LoM wrote:On February 11 2016 22:36 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Bhaal, And 77gold? You didn't check his filter either? Doesn't this quote from you imply that you compared all of the lurkers, garg(lurker that point in time), 77goldrom, and unholy? Like if any of the lurkers are scum prob is Gargame I did check gold's filter and I thought his content was meh. Are you going to do stuff on your own, or do you want to be directed with questions? I more a person who needs direction I will be honest with that :\ Do you still want to lynch gargamel after his recent activity? Who do you want to lynch and why? garg stuff from last night made him look better in my opinion. I don't want to lynch him atm unless something major comes up. On who to lynch: I don't know man to many lurkers >.< I normally hunt better when we got a lot of content(I was always a good late game player). So why not join garg in voting 77goldrom? At the very least it would get rid of a lurker. Because if he flips town then we got little to no info unless you talking about the people who voted for him. Also lurking is NAI for the most part anyways. someone mentioned earlier in the thread that with overall low game activity lurking is quite viable for scum, I'm willing to bet there's probably one lurker out of the two as it is.
I think so too but if they flip town we wont have much info about their reads but maybe info about the people voting them.
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On February 11 2016 23:38 Bhaal LoM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2016 23:27 Valdiano wrote:On February 11 2016 12:49 Bhaal LoM wrote:
nnn is null because I dislike his smurf hunting over scum hunting but his content otherwsie was okay. War seems townie too I think he was attacking nnn hard on his smurf hunting stuff. since you're in the thread atm, wanted to ask you on this post - did you not feel that his smurf hunting had a purpose and he was just posting to post? I just didn't like smurf hunting in general in the thread which is why I didn't like it.
right, let me phrase it differently.
is this just a difference of opinion in scumhunting methods or do you actually believe what he is doing is scummy and can only come from scum?
also if you were to ignore the smurf stuff, would that change your read?
trying to make sure I understand where you are coming from here.
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On February 11 2016 23:41 Valdiano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2016 23:38 Bhaal LoM wrote:On February 11 2016 23:27 Valdiano wrote:On February 11 2016 12:49 Bhaal LoM wrote:
nnn is null because I dislike his smurf hunting over scum hunting but his content otherwsie was okay. War seems townie too I think he was attacking nnn hard on his smurf hunting stuff. since you're in the thread atm, wanted to ask you on this post - did you not feel that his smurf hunting had a purpose and he was just posting to post? I just didn't like smurf hunting in general in the thread which is why I didn't like it. right, let me phrase it differently. is this just a difference of opinion in scumhunting methods or do you actually believe what he is doing is scummy and can only come from scum? also if you were to ignore the smurf stuff, would that change your read? trying to make sure I understand where you are coming from here.
I feel regular scum hunting is better than smurf hunting and like ya there is a chance the smurf hunting can come from town but it just really dumb. At the time too he didn't have stuff outside of it. Wouldn't of changed my read.
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alright, placing my vote on Gold for now, afk.
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I think I'm reading Bhaal as newb town. He is being an open book with explaining how he got to his reads and why he exhibits a lack of initiative.
I don't think he's LS because he said the last time he played with 2013. Why would LS lie about that, especially after potentially outing himself with the smurf slip up?
I agree with Vald that saitama is not quite making sense with how he's approaching the game. His vote on bhaal after saying the case against him was scummy doesn't look very natural. Also, he's being very lecturey which leans scum.
But due to how active and vocal he's being, I think that he's probably a good lynch today.
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I do want to keep in mind in regards to Bhaal that pretending to be a newb is a viable scumstrat.
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im sure who valdiano is but might be a pro impostor, kinda doubt it though.
the player is town 
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Hmmm. Damn
Notes on Bhaal:
1 - He had a bandwagon against him (3 votes, with 5 necessary to lynch). Yet he kept the same exact attitude and posting behavior. He didn't panic, didn't try to plead or act differently in an unnatural way (e.g instantly trying to FOS someone)
2 - On February 11 2016 12:46 Bhaal LoM wrote:
Man when I around no one is around jesus.....
Anyways like I said I think Sait is town and vald as town despite the fact Sait is voting me.
On February 11 2016 12:49 Bhaal LoM wrote:
nnn is null because I dislike his smurf hunting over scum hunting but his content otherwsie was okay. War seems townie too I think he was attacking nnn hard on his smurf hunting stuff.
He's the leading bandwagon and he can only muster town/null reads? Other than me/NNN he basically called every "active" people town, giving himself no outs in terms of dropping suspicion off him. He only ended up with scum between lurkers after pondering, which he did follow up later, but not much. As scum, he'd be actively trying NOT to put pressure off him, as the leading lynch. If not, at least he'd be showing some kind of panic or fear, which he didn't.
3 - If he is indeed "helpess town", I guess it makes sense. This D1 is slow in content and activity, we acknowledge that and he does too. Based on this and town reading some people, if he was town there wouldn't be much he could be doing to gain new reads, other than interacting in the thread posting his thought process and doubts, which is what he's been doing.
Bhaal came out better from this so far. Heart wins this battle then
#Unvote
I'm not ready to bandwagon on Gold yet. Unholy may have had the "nicer" posts, but that doesn't exempt him from being mafia trying to blend in, rather than mafia trying to shit the thread (which is what you guys are accusing Gold of).
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On February 11 2016 23:53 Valdiano wrote:
alright, placing my vote on Gold for now, afk.
Thoughts on the (until some time ago) leading lynch, Bhaal?
Until now I've developed a town read on saita based on his interactions with me. From my POV, his FOS of me and subsequent town read on me felt natural, at least based on how I think he'd be reacting to my responses and such.
For instance, we know he's being kind of an ass in that "lecturing" manner from early D1, getting all up in your ass and shit. Him doing that with the "scumtell" from my case and calling me out felt natural in that sense. After explaning myself it made sense for him to back down too.
I'll have to check him again though now that you guys put the doubt out there.
On February 12 2016 00:03 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
But due to how active and vocal he's being, I think that he's probably a good lynch today.
"But due to how active and vocal he's being" would indicate you NOT thinking he's a probable lynch. I presume this is a typo then? Or do you think he should be today's lynch?
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...okay
Anyways, I'll mention that in 2 hours I'll leave and won't be back before deadline. Don't really want to lynch an inactive on D1, hopefully things pick up by then
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Vote Count
Bhaal LoM (1): keanuisgod, nnn_thekushmountains, saitamaofonepunch
77GoldROM (3): saitamaofonepunch, GargamelxD, nnn_thekushmountains, Valdiano
Wartrukk (0): nnn_thekushmountains
Not Voting (5): 77GoldROM, unholyflare, Bhall LoM, keanuisgod, Wartrukk
At this time, No one is slated to be lynched.
With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch
Day 1 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here
Only votes there will be counted.
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Yes, I meant he's saita is not a good lynch today.
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I'm not comfortable with Warty's lack of activity so far
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Also goddamit
##Vote: 77GoldROM
Only realistic lynch target at this very moment, and I'm leaving in 15 minutes
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EPT
