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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 14:29 GMT
#773
Okay, what is your narrative right now then?

On February 17 2016 23:16 GargamelxD wrote:
If his confidence into me being mafia and warty being town that literally came out of the blue and before he actually posted the case on me isn't an argument to you, then lynch me, but lose the game.


It is consistent with him rereading the thread. These posts show he's been rereading the whole thread and filters before singling you out as scum:

On February 16 2016 08:07 Iwasrobik wrote:
Will reread the game before posting again. See you all later


On February 16 2016 08:11 Iwasrobik wrote:
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On February 16 2016 08:07 keanuisgod wrote:
You still want that NL robik?

Yep probably unless I'm convinced one guy is scum


On February 17 2016 00:49 Iwasrobik wrote:
Kaenu did you reread the game ? I have too much work to do to do that right now, that will wait for tonight =X


On February 17 2016 06:55 Iwasrobik wrote:
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On February 11 2016 11:25 keanuisgod wrote:
I always found that "tunneling" mechanic weird, in a philosophical sense.
How can you push the lynch for someone, specially on D1, with so little knowledge? How can you be sure he's scum? How can you make your posts reflect this?
Should you convince yourself that you are sure he's scum, just so your posts reflect that and you can get the lynch more smoothly? Or do you keep the doubt (that he might be town) in your heart, and in the thread pretend you are really sure? If you post your doubts and concerns then people will jump at you and said lynch may not go through (or they may FOS you). However, if you "lie", then the lynch might go through without a hitch. But ... aren't you lying to yourself there? If the dude actually flips town, wouldn't you have wanted someone to confirm your concerns so you wouldn't have lynch a townie? How can you live with the guilt in that case? Even in the case the dude flips scum, how can you take this risk, every single game, where at some point he might flip town and you'll have to face this guilt eventually?
What is it that you ought to do?

Mafia is hard yo

LOL
I never properly read this and it is AWESOME ^^


On February 17 2016 07:24 Iwasrobik wrote:
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On February 12 2016 06:28 Bhaal LoM wrote:
On February 12 2016 06:20 Wartrukk wrote:
Why did halo lamb get a free pass?

Halo lamb types a lot like LS, to contradict my early game and smurfhunt

Who is LS? I never heard of him honestly. Like I said I haven't played since 2013. Is he a good or bad player?

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On February 12 2016 06:29 Bhaal LoM wrote:
BTW I don't even know what LS even means o.o

HAHAHAHAHA HOW COULD I MISS THAT ITS EVEN BETTER THAN THE FIRST ONE


His progression here makes perfect sense:
-Wants to NL since he's not sure who's scum out of Gargy/Warty (and me I guess)
-Says he will reread the thread to make up his mind, and that he will still NL unless he is sure someone is scum
-Actually rereads the thread, and the posts above prove that at least he's been reading jokes and stuff
-After rereading the thread, is sure Gargy is scum and thus doesn't want NL anymore. I suppose him wanting everybody to claim is part of that too

Could be done as scum too sure, but it's not something that is an "argument [for him being mafia] to me"
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 15:11 GMT
#775
On February 17 2016 23:16 GargamelxD wrote:
... then lynch me, but lose the game.


I can save tonight anyways, so I don't think we should be that concerned about this. If this is the case we'll still have 50/50 chance of getting to D4
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 15:35 GMT
#776
On February 17 2016 23:16 GargamelxD wrote:
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On February 17 2016 23:08 keanuisgod wrote:
On February 17 2016 22:29 GargamelxD wrote:
On February 17 2016 21:54 keanuisgod wrote:
So Gargy, what do you think about my points about Warty? Do you agree with them (apparently)?


No, not really, cause I just read this:.


What exactly about what I posted about Warty do you not agree with? I mentioned 4 points, please post what you disagree with them.

Gargy, if you are town then from your POV robik should really be scum, so you really should find more incriminating stuff about him, not "dumbtell lies" or confusing shit.
Either that or you are NOT making it clear why you think Warty could still be scum, in a believable way at least (based on what was already said about Warty).


If his confidence into me being mafia and warty being town that literally came out of the blue and before he actually posted the case on me isn't an argument to you ...


Yeah this is OMGUS, robik's progression makes perfect sense.
This doesn't make much sense either: "his confidence into me being mafia came ... before he actually posted the case on me". Like ... isn't that a natural progression? You read someone, believe they are scum and then make the case. Wtf is the alternative? robik posting the case before being suspicious of Gargy?

then lynch me, but lose the game.


Fear-mongering.
I think I'm showing enough restraint and flexibility right now to be open to any kind of possibility, specially if Gargy is town and someone like robik is scum. I don't think it warrants this kind of response at all if Gargy is town

I already didn't care on D2 when I believed we were going to lose, so I won't care today either.


Your D2 didn't show that you "believed we were going to lose". If that was the case then even worse, since there was almost no indication of town losing on D2, specially if you thought someone like Warty was scum, which people were suspicious of too.
It just feels like retconning your motivations on D2 just to drop the bolded bit. This is also likely coming from scum, since why would town retcon their motivations like that (i.e lie or hide that kind of info)?

The bolded bit is just as bad. It's not like Warty's "lack of care" which is heavily documented and explained by him and consistent. Based on your activity and posts, YOU saying "I don't care today" is scummy as hell.

I will do stuff when Im arsed to, but asking me to just eat up your version of events and start posting cases on Robik is insanity. Don't worry however, I'm not done posting.


It just feels like you are lost and don't actually know if you should push Warty or robik. I don't get a sense of "town indecisiveness", like sometimes Warty shows (by switching between reads, complaining, etc). You OMGUS robik and make all intentions clear that you think he's scum "getting the easy ML", but then you inexplicably still leave Warty open as being scum here, like you are still suspicious of him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=38#757

I can't see this happening from a townie POV in this kind of MYLO.

Anyways yeah Gargy's scum

##Vote: Gargy

When I'm at lunch here I'll reread stuff carefully, but doubt I'll change my mind
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 16:17 GMT
#780
On February 18 2016 01:04 GargamelxD wrote:
Been in the situation before where you are the main suspect and supposed to be the one delivering cases on everyone else. No, fuck that, you have to do that too.


I just did ...
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 17:59 GMT
#785
On February 18 2016 02:06 GargamelxD wrote:
Oh deadline is today? In that case I advise you to no lynch cause I don't plan on putting in any more effort today. Otherwise it's your loss, don't say I didn't warn you :>


So what would NL accomplish? We're either exactly the same 3v1 MYLO on D4 or I die tonight and it's 2v1 LYLO (depending how I and scum WIFOM the medic save). Most likely I will have to be forced to prot myself and scum will be forced to shoot me extending this (and on N4 I won't be able to prot myself). Doubt scum will shoot robik/Warty/Gargy because it doesn't benefit him to reduce the number of townies just now.

Do you just somehow "promise" to put more effort if we NL? Why not put that effort now? What's stopping you?

Otherwise it's your loss, don't say I didn't warn you :>


More fear-mongering. What exactly is this supposed to accomplish? Make me feel guilty and lynch someone else just because "well, Gargy warned me and it felt ominous and I got scared"?

On February 18 2016 02:25 GargamelxD wrote:
So yeah at least I was right on warty yesterday, keanus argument is pretty but dead wrong. Warty went for the endgame cred instead of a risky play.


You should replace "instead" with "in spite". If he's scum then bussing his buddy at the last minute getting him lynched IS a risky play, specially since it apparently didn't give him any endgame cred until robik+me pointed it out. If we had been lazy Warty seems wouldn't have pointed it out and he would have gotten lynched.

On February 18 2016 02:22 GargamelxD wrote:
Meh will have to settle down for Robik to be town, I'm pretty confident he is, I'm also pretty confident its rels


Why is robik suddenly town, but Warty "100% responsible for a scum lynch" is not?
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 18:34 GMT
#789
On February 18 2016 03:29 Rels wrote:
Did you finally read our filters before arriving to this conclusion ?


Oh no.

Modkill incoming
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 18:35 GMT
#790
Wait no, Rels smurfailed before game started
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 19:06 GMT
#793
I want to dig holes too! Count me in!
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 21:39 GMT
#796
Iwasrobik:

Confidence and overall play:
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CBA to get posts, but he starts right off the bat with confident reads and a "gonna catch them all" attitude, which does feel townie.
Said attitude is consistent since he came into the game in N1 until now. I haven't seen him go AFK, or stop giving a shit, etc. I haven't seen him change his behaviour so far.

He also feels no fear in calling people scum, being aggressive about it, etc. But all of that with justification and stuff.

Not only that, for being so active and contributing so much, it feels like it's done with moving town forward. It doesn't feel like he is trying to shit the thread and misdirect town, not at all. For instance his D2 was insanely focused and it netted us a scum Valdi. It just doesn't feel right him being scum and act "pro-town" this way.

It's not like he's posting to hide behind walls of texts and spam, his posts feel like they have meaning behind them.


Drunk Posting:
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He posted drunk the other day

On February 14 2016 08:09 Iwasrobik wrote:
Yo I'm super drunk so I'll pass out and wont come back before tomorrow. Some posts made me want to puke more than alcohol though during reading, by both warttuk on my reads that are suddenly bullshit and kaenu s attack on me


On February 14 2016 08:10 Iwasrobik wrote:
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On February 14 2016 08:06 keanuisgod wrote:
Ok.

My "narrative" regarding robik is this:
I'm thinking that robik (and scumteam by association) think the medic is between Gargy/Warty (whoever is townie between thme or both), so he HAS to go after me and leave those two be to be safe. I mean, you can't prop up the medic as your D3 mislynch since once he claims your plans are fucked.
So he HAS to make a shitty case on me and push me as "obvious scum" for it to work, i.e it's less risky for scum.
Valdi can be scumbuddy under the bus or just townie robik is latching on for D2 misslynch

But well, obviously this is a narrative that only works assuming he's scum

No wait this obviously is super bad but this post is 90% from a townie. Shapelog attacked me with narrative like that in a game I didn't have time to play, keanu is shape right ? I read that somewhere.


From what I've seen drunk posting comes from town like 80% of the time. He even makes a switch in his reads or whatever while drunk. Hard to fake as scum.
(Note: I also posted drunk in this thread. See if you can find it!)


Evolution of his keanu read:
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I feel his read on me evolved in a townie way, similar to how saitama viewed me on D1.
Initially he found me pretty scummy because of my "waffly" Bhaal case and not taking strong stances. But after interacting with me he finds himself thinking I may be town, and later is convinced
On February 15 2016 00:15 Iwasrobik wrote:
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On February 14 2016 03:47 keanuisgod wrote:
Anyways robik, I am not sure you believe your own case against me, it seems to me like you haven't even read my filter (though I'm biased since I now my alignment obs).

Your only points are:
- "Fluff" posts and "He's not trying to solve the game" attitude when it was like 2-4 hours into D1, conveniently ignoring anything else from late-D1 (where shit actually matters).
- The Bhaal case, which also had an illogical point (the last one). I can't really call you out on you thinking that about me because of the Bhaal case since you weren't there in the thread when it happened (though I guess you can still reread the thread carefully to figure things out). So I'll ignore that (other than the bad point you made). I advise you to reread that part of the thread carefully.
- Don't call too many people scum. I can see how you may think this might be "scummy" in isolation, but context is everything so I believe just reading the thread and my filter would dissipate any doubts regarding this point.

The last point was the reason I was sure you were scum. Now I think you're town, but maybe try to take stronger stances in the future, as you didn't take one the whole game. For example, your votes were "fuck it I'm voting LS", "damnit I'm voting goldrom the only lynch potential" and "I'm bored I'm voting robik". Even now against me, you're unsure and it seems like you're asking others' opinion to scumread me. Being that indecisive is the easiest way to be manipulated in mafia; do stuff, attack people on things you think make them scum, make them react. That's what I did, and I think you're town now 'casue of your thinking about why I would attack you as scum was kinda smart.


This feels genuine. If he was scum I would have thought his agenda D2 was "Bus Valdi and tunnel keanu for a ML later in the game". But his playon late-D2 and progression of his read on me doesn't feel like something a scum would plan.


Natural "NL -> Lynch Garga" progression on N2/D3:
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On February 17 2016 23:29 keanuisgod wrote:
Okay, what is your narrative right now then?

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On February 17 2016 23:16 GargamelxD wrote:
If his confidence into me being mafia and warty being town that literally came out of the blue and before he actually posted the case on me isn't an argument to you, then lynch me, but lose the game.


It is consistent with him rereading the thread. These posts show he's been rereading the whole thread and filters before singling you out as scum:

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On February 16 2016 08:07 Iwasrobik wrote:
Will reread the game before posting again. See you all later


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On February 16 2016 08:11 Iwasrobik wrote:
On February 16 2016 08:07 keanuisgod wrote:
You still want that NL robik?

Yep probably unless I'm convinced one guy is scum


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On February 17 2016 00:49 Iwasrobik wrote:
Kaenu did you reread the game ? I have too much work to do to do that right now, that will wait for tonight =X


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On February 17 2016 06:55 Iwasrobik wrote:
On February 11 2016 11:25 keanuisgod wrote:
I always found that "tunneling" mechanic weird, in a philosophical sense.
How can you push the lynch for someone, specially on D1, with so little knowledge? How can you be sure he's scum? How can you make your posts reflect this?
Should you convince yourself that you are sure he's scum, just so your posts reflect that and you can get the lynch more smoothly? Or do you keep the doubt (that he might be town) in your heart, and in the thread pretend you are really sure? If you post your doubts and concerns then people will jump at you and said lynch may not go through (or they may FOS you). However, if you "lie", then the lynch might go through without a hitch. But ... aren't you lying to yourself there? If the dude actually flips town, wouldn't you have wanted someone to confirm your concerns so you wouldn't have lynch a townie? How can you live with the guilt in that case? Even in the case the dude flips scum, how can you take this risk, every single game, where at some point he might flip town and you'll have to face this guilt eventually?
What is it that you ought to do?

Mafia is hard yo

LOL
I never properly read this and it is AWESOME ^^


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On February 17 2016 07:24 Iwasrobik wrote:
On February 12 2016 06:28 Bhaal LoM wrote:
On February 12 2016 06:20 Wartrukk wrote:
Why did halo lamb get a free pass?

Halo lamb types a lot like LS, to contradict my early game and smurfhunt

Who is LS? I never heard of him honestly. Like I said I haven't played since 2013. Is he a good or bad player?

On February 12 2016 06:29 Bhaal LoM wrote:
BTW I don't even know what LS even means o.o

HAHAHAHAHA HOW COULD I MISS THAT ITS EVEN BETTER THAN THE FIRST ONE


His progression here makes perfect sense:
-Wants to NL since he's not sure who's scum out of Gargy/Warty (and me I guess)
-Says he will reread the thread to make up his mind, and that he will still NL unless he is sure someone is scum
-Actually rereads the thread, and the posts above prove that at least he's been reading jokes and stuff
-After rereading the thread, is sure Gargy is scum and thus doesn't want NL anymore. I suppose him wanting everybody to claim is part of that too

Could be done as scum too sure, but it's not something that is an "argument [for him being mafia] to me"


Also, I would have expected scum robik to just keep pounding on Warty. Remember EVERYBODY ALIVE on N1 (except himself) thought Warty was scum. NNN even died "being brought into the Warty wagon". robik was not suspected at this point, so him going through the whole "rereading" thing and then believing that Garga was scum instead feels like unnecessary effort for a scum robik.


Conclusion:
-Has natural progression on his reads, with explanations, "in-thread" reactions that show the evolution of his reads, etc
-Confident, active, cares about the game, etc
-Genuine evolution of his read on me, similar to saitama's
-Lots of content/scumhunting
-Genuine D3 in reading Garga as scum
-Bus on Valdi that doesn't make much sense if he's scum (when he could have easily shitted the thread going against me instead).

Very likely town
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 22:28 GMT
#798
First 2 only (got sobered up by the 3rd one).
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 22:31 GMT
#801
Gargy-poo:

Overall play:
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I'll accept that Garga's actual play is null to me. I can't get a town or scum feeling of the way he's posting, contrary to how I can get town feelings from Warty or robik.

His undescifrable posts, the way he posts, his vote on Gold, etc, they all are null to me, can't get any feel out of them.


Stance on Valdi:
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His stance on Valdi is very weird, basically NEVER mentioning him only saying he's HTS and town:
On February 12 2016 00:24 GargamelxD wrote:
im sure who valdiano is but might be a pro impostor, kinda doubt it though.

the player is town


On February 13 2016 23:07 GargamelxD wrote:
the nk does implicate wartrukk, saitama wasnt really the shining beacon of townieness to warrant being NKd, so i suppose it was cause of his reads..

valdiano is hts and town imo.


That's it, I don't think I found any other thoughts on Valdi regarding him. This would be null in itself, but it's so weird and null and Warty and robik feel town that it's pretty scummy.

He also only mentions Valdi in passing but only when "accusing" (or slightly being suspicious) of me:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=25#487
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=26#503

I can't make sense of how a town Gargy would just straight up claim Valdi was HTS and town, without offering any explanation or proof/justification for either. Like, Valdi is getting lynched, and Gargy is so sure he's town because of smurfhunting, surely it'd be important to mention it more in the thread and fight against the Valdi lynch?

The scummy thing is not only having a town read based on bullshit reasons, it's not just not mentioning Valdi again, it's not doing any of those when Valdi is the leading lynch on D2 and Gargy is active and posting. He preffered to spend time arguing with me about some stuff and Warty or whatever.


Undescifrable posts:
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Damn he has many of these:
On February 11 2016 16:50 GargamelxD wrote:
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On February 11 2016 16:32 saitamaofonepunch wrote:
On February 11 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote:
he could be SL maybe, either that or ls

either way i think goldrom is VA and i want to kill him with fire

##Vote 77Goldrom


[image loading]


expand on gargamel and rom are bad and then this post


On February 15 2016 04:51 GargamelxD wrote:
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It's not an incompatibility because between the posts, both the read flipped. When I ask him to explain I think he just changes the subject. I can't how what he says is relevant.


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On February 12 2016 07:39 Wartrukk wrote:
Wow this wagon looks like trash


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On February 12 2016 07:41 Wartrukk wrote:
Scumtama and lying LS on the same wagon on a lurker. Wowie




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On February 12 2016 08:00 Onegu wrote:
Night 1


77GoldROM as VT has been lynched.

unholyflare has been replaced by Iwasrobik

Night 1 ends in

Make sure you send any and all actions to all hosts as I may or may not still be in the hospital.



Get your facts straight what the fuck.

And that makes my argument strong again


On February 15 2016 08:31 GargamelxD wrote:
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On February 15 2016 08:30 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On February 15 2016 08:29 keanuisgod wrote:
I think you got that upside down


You were really against lynching valdi, and I'm not sure why.


I just spent the entire end of the day ranting about how I felt it was exactly not the case


On February 13 2016 23:10 GargamelxD wrote:
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On February 12 2016 07:41 Wartrukk wrote:
Scumtama and lying LS on the same wagon on a lurker. Wowie


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On February 13 2016 09:06 Wartrukk wrote:
So on first read I hate gargamel and want him to be died. He quite obviously cares less about this game than I do and that's just fucked


incompatibility detected



Yeah, can't make sense of this, just felt necessary to post them lol. Again, just feels null in a weird way.


FOS on Warty:
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His FOS on Warty on D2 makes little sense.
Times he mentions him:

On February 13 2016 23:07 GargamelxD wrote:
the nk does implicate wartrukk, saitama wasnt really the shining beacon of townieness to warrant being NKd, so i suppose it was cause of his reads.


On February 14 2016 00:22 GargamelxD wrote:
Wartrukk also didnt comment on any of the reasons for why people went for the rom lynch.

why are you failing to notice this nnn? theres the feeling you are biased towards wartrukk


On February 14 2016 05:34 GargamelxD wrote:
im not sure yet about the other one but im pretty confident warty is mafia.


On February 15 2016 04:58 GargamelxD wrote:
There are numerous instances in wartys filter where he goes to read some filter and then never comes back with a finished read on them.

You just have to read his filter to believe, there is barely any read progression in it, he just reacts to stuff happening in a given moment



This was indeed mentioned before. He bases his D2 vote on Warty just on that last point above. After and before that he makes no mention of Warty (other than weird reasons or bad reasons like WIFOMing the N1 NK).

This is very weak for a D2 lynch on scum.


Time on D2 wasted arguing with me:
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=24#477
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=24#480
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=25#487
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=26#503

This is something I find weird too. He spends the majority of his D2 posts arguing with me, using very bad reasoning: "There's no reason for you to believe that either me or warty are doing something stupid unless you are confident we're both town".
He also keeps ignoring Valdi and making a stance on him, even though he mentions him in those posts when attacking me.

His attack on me isn't really scummy per se (at least I can't read it that way). What I find scummy is him basically only doing that (attack me) throughout mid-D2/late-D2, and not doing other things for the lynch, like taking a stance on Valdi, etc.


Lack of "care" and behavior this D3
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On February 18 2016 00:35 keanuisgod wrote:
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On February 17 2016 23:16 GargamelxD wrote:
On February 17 2016 23:08 keanuisgod wrote:
On February 17 2016 22:29 GargamelxD wrote:
On February 17 2016 21:54 keanuisgod wrote:
So Gargy, what do you think about my points about Warty? Do you agree with them (apparently)?


No, not really, cause I just read this:.


What exactly about what I posted about Warty do you not agree with? I mentioned 4 points, please post what you disagree with them.

Gargy, if you are town then from your POV robik should really be scum, so you really should find more incriminating stuff about him, not "dumbtell lies" or confusing shit.
Either that or you are NOT making it clear why you think Warty could still be scum, in a believable way at least (based on what was already said about Warty).


If his confidence into me being mafia and warty being town that literally came out of the blue and before he actually posted the case on me isn't an argument to you ...


Yeah this is OMGUS, robik's progression makes perfect sense.
This doesn't make much sense either: "his confidence into me being mafia came ... before he actually posted the case on me". Like ... isn't that a natural progression? You read someone, believe they are scum and then make the case. Wtf is the alternative? robik posting the case before being suspicious of Gargy?

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then lynch me, but lose the game.


Fear-mongering.
I think I'm showing enough restraint and flexibility right now to be open to any kind of possibility, specially if Gargy is town and someone like robik is scum. I don't think it warrants this kind of response at all if Gargy is town

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I already didn't care on D2 when I believed we were going to lose, so I won't care today either.


Your D2 didn't show that you "believed we were going to lose". If that was the case then even worse, since there was almost no indication of town losing on D2, specially if you thought someone like Warty was scum, which people were suspicious of too.
It just feels like retconning your motivations on D2 just to drop the bolded bit. This is also likely coming from scum, since why would town retcon their motivations like that (i.e lie or hide that kind of info)?

The bolded bit is just as bad. It's not like Warty's "lack of care" which is heavily documented and explained by him and consistent. Based on your activity and posts, YOU saying "I don't care today" is scummy as hell.

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I will do stuff when Im arsed to, but asking me to just eat up your version of events and start posting cases on Robik is insanity. Don't worry however, I'm not done posting.


It just feels like you are lost and don't actually know if you should push Warty or robik. I don't get a sense of "town indecisiveness", like sometimes Warty shows (by switching between reads, complaining, etc). You OMGUS robik and make all intentions clear that you think he's scum "getting the easy ML", but then you inexplicably still leave Warty open as being scum here, like you are still suspicious of him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=38#757

I can't see this happening from a townie POV in this kind of MYLO.

Anyways yeah Gargy's scum

##Vote: Gargy

When I'm at lunch here I'll reread stuff carefully, but doubt I'll change my mind



robik's case on Gargy:
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502905-new-smurf-mini-mafia?page=36#715

I said what Valdi said of people was basically null to me.
However, I agree with Gargy not caring about the lynch on D2 (he had his vote wasted on Warty and only spent time attacking me for chainsaw defending him).
I also agree with the read on Vlad thingy, and the lack of activity, which seems like "strategic AFK". He has no explanations for big gaps of activity, other than "This shouldn't be alignment-indicative". And he's been absent from important parts of the day, like the D2 lynch on Valdi.


Conclusion:
-Based on many things, Gargy would just be straight null to me.
-His read on Valdi and his stance on him on D2 is too weird and weak to come from a townie
-Unexplained and "strategic" inactivity
-Very scummy behavior on this D3
-Very little interest in the lynch and the game from D2 onwards

Likely scum.

Based on my read of Gargy ALONE it's more null than scum though. But I'm confident he's scum at the very least because I read robik and Warty as town MUCH MUCH MORE (relatively to Gargy).
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 22:39 GMT
#802
So yeah, I'm confident in lynching Garga today.

Or rather, I am NOT comfortable in lynching Warty nor robik at any time in the game from now on (assuming even if we NL nothing interesting will happen). Thus I'm confident in lynching Garga instead. This read is reinforced with the way Garga acted this D3 (which is the scummiest out of all 3 remaining players so far, specially with the halfassed "Yeah I don't care, if you lynch me remember I told you so", etc), and the bits mentioned in robik's case, like his Valdi read, the way he approached the game, inactivity, etc.

I don't think I'm getting back before deadline, so ... let's do this!!!

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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 22:46 GMT
#804
I havent even tried smurfhunting this game. After game is over youll see why
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 17 2016 23:35 GMT
#817
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 04:15 GMT
#818
Let's soften up this moody ambience with some bad jokes!

Why did the townie cross the road? To get to the voting thread!
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 04:16 GMT
#819
What's the deal with smurfs, really? We decided to call these type of accounts after blue cartoons, when in fact many of the players here are actually Vanilla Townies! Make up your mind! Are you green or blue?
Every time we misslynch a townie I can only picture green smurfs in my mind, and I can't make it go away! I propose we call these accounts "shreks" instead
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 04:16 GMT
#820
Two Roleblockers walk into a bar. As they leave, one holds the door open for the other one "Please, you go out first". "No, I insist, you go out". "Thanks, but please you go out" ...
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 04:16 GMT
#821
Pretty fitting that I have to WIFOM this night. I really need a drink!
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 04:18 GMT
#822
I think I may have found the root of the problem of town's constant misslynches: robik, Warty, have you taken a colorblind test lately?
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 04:21 GMT
#823
I was watching The Walking Dead the other day, and there was this really nice and cozy town that reminded me exactly of the town of this game!
What was its name again? Hmmm, oh yeah, Woodbury
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