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Also yea Shapelog stop spamming and answer Alur's question. It's a good one.
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On January 28 2016 05:59 PepperMintTea wrote:@Tumblewood I'm having a hard time following this train of thought Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:
Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog
Trefl leans town and onegu is null then Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote:On January 27 2016 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
Tumblewood, can you explain why you're town reading Trfel? He has four one liners so far. Which of them makes him lean town for you? I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel. So now trefl is neutral but Onegu is likely town and then Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:
I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post.
First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog
Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread.
PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that.
Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped)
Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense.
TL;DR
I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me, Onegu and Trefl are both scum. I guess I have the hardest time understanding how you came to the conclusion about onegu. You thought he was towny early on based on the above. Then he made a good case about trefl. Yet despite that you have him as scum..alongside trefl. From my perspective, you have people who you read town for doing less towny things , than onegu has done yet you scumread him. it seems strange.
It doesn't make sense to make a read on early D1 and then never change it. As information has come out, I've been getting more and more of a feel on people. By the first little tier post, Trfel had done nothing scummy and neither had Onegu. They even looked a little town for helping to get things started. Darthfoley and MexicanAlien appeared scummy to me for the first few pages, but their play has been solid since. The big turning point for me was when Onegu posted that giant stream-of-consciousness post. That was the only big thing he'd posted all game, and most of it lacked his own opinions. The only part where he said anything definitive himself was his read on Trfel (which I agree with, hence Trfel leaning scum in my mind). Onegu and Trfel both look like classic examples of players who are very active but not saying much. Onegu was also really confrontational toward accusations, which seemed odd to me.
Could you explain to me what you find town about Onegu's play?
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It seems that I misinterpreted a few of Onegu's early posts towards Shapelog. I'm not so sure about him, I need to re-evaluate....
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I have a point that arguably supports the narrative presented in the posts above (By Darthfoley, noon and pepperminttea).
At this point a number of players are learning towards me being town. But there was a significant difference in how various players established their townreads on me.
Noteably Darthfoley, Pepperminttea and Shapelog gradually started townreading me over day 2, as they had some reasonable objections to my day 1 posts (or atleast Darth and pepper did).
Players who townread me in pretty much their very first posts are: Tumblewood (townlean on his list) + JesusIncarnate (he sort of townreads me in #413 by saying "i also like alur, there reads are pretty similar to mine.")
The first type of read seems more genuine to me.
Not sure how much weight we wanna place on this (since it could be that they just casually townread me), but it feels very mentionworthy.
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On January 28 2016 06:13 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 05:59 PepperMintTea wrote:@Tumblewood I'm having a hard time following this train of thought On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:
Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog
Trefl leans town and onegu is null then On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote:On January 27 2016 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
Tumblewood, can you explain why you're town reading Trfel? He has four one liners so far. Which of them makes him lean town for you? I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel. So now trefl is neutral but Onegu is likely town and then On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:
I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post.
First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog
Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread.
PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that.
Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped)
Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense.
TL;DR
I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me, Onegu and Trefl are both scum. I guess I have the hardest time understanding how you came to the conclusion about onegu. You thought he was towny early on based on the above. Then he made a good case about trefl. Yet despite that you have him as scum..alongside trefl. From my perspective, you have people who you read town for doing less towny things , than onegu has done yet you scumread him. it seems strange. It doesn't make sense to make a read on early D1 and then never change it. As information has come out, I've been getting more and more of a feel on people. By the first little tier post, Trfel had done nothing scummy and neither had Onegu. They even looked a little town for helping to get things started. Darthfoley and MexicanAlien appeared scummy to me for the first few pages, but their play has been solid since. The big turning point for me was when Onegu posted that giant stream-of-consciousness post. That was the only big thing he'd posted all game, and most of it lacked his own opinions. The only part where he said anything definitive himself was his read on Trfel (which I agree with, hence Trfel leaning scum in my mind). Onegu and Trfel both look like classic examples of players who are very active but not saying much. Onegu was also really confrontational toward accusations, which seemed odd to me. Could you explain to me what you find town about Onegu's play?
I think it would help me out more if you could go into some more detail about your town reads and how you established them.
I'm still figuring out Onegu, pending his answer.
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I'm gonna go play some dota or cs for a bit now I need to relax.
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Tumblewood, can you share why you are scumreading Shapelog at this point, please? I don't believe you've mentioned this in a while, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Vote count:
Onegu (4): Eden1892, Shapelog, nooniansoong, Trfel
PepperMintTea (0): nooniansoong, Shapelog
Not voting (9): PepperMintTea, Tumblewood, JesusIncarnate, Alur, Kuragari42, darthfoley, Ikidomari, Onegu, _MexicanAlien
Currently, Onegu is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Thursday, Jan 28 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
Voting is mandatory!
If there are errors, please let us know.
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On January 27 2016 19:30 PepperMintTea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 17:20 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I am starting to fully understand the townie reads on Shapelog. Good reasoning and critical thinking @Eden1892
Onegu has seemed slightly scummy, and he's definitely not a cooperative player.
There's still something sketchy about PepperMintTea in my mind though. Can you explain what Onegu did that makes him scummy? Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:On January 27 2016 17:23 Eden1892 wrote:
Ok I'll grant that you do say Trfel is scummy without much ambiguity near the end of the train of thought post. It's hard to count that for much when you apparently forgot that read in your response to me though.
And you named mex and tea reads just now but said nothing to that effect in the post. If anything you implied mex was scum. Your comments on tea and tumbleweed weren't clearly indicative of any opinion.
Do you care to explain these discrepancies? What are you talking about? You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum? @Onegu I'm rather curious how you have come to this conclusion, I think at one point you had me down as "scummy as hell". The scum read is based on nooniansong's scum read of me. I hope that has been cleared up for you. But outside of this you defended me twice. Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote:
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.
Do you have any scumreads?
I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.
Some people play the game by finding town reads and then doing POE from there this is NAI. The question is fine. On January 27 2016 09:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much. Bleh. Can be caused by being busy... I would be interested how having, one fairly weak scum accusation, and two reasons you stated are not good reasons. I have come out as scummy as hell. It seems inconsistent. Perhaps you have misunderstood something I wrote.
When people are scum reading scummy people for bad reasons I will point out they are bad reasons. I need to re read you to be honest. The fact that Noon is being dumb is making me trust he read less.
Much more interested in Trfel and Tumble now.
I will agree your point on Tumble is good.
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On January 28 2016 06:13 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 05:59 PepperMintTea wrote:@Tumblewood I'm having a hard time following this train of thought On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:
Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog
Trefl leans town and onegu is null then On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote:On January 27 2016 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
Tumblewood, can you explain why you're town reading Trfel? He has four one liners so far. Which of them makes him lean town for you? I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel. So now trefl is neutral but Onegu is likely town and then On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:
I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post.
First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog
Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread.
PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that.
Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped)
Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense.
TL;DR
I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me, Onegu and Trefl are both scum. I guess I have the hardest time understanding how you came to the conclusion about onegu. You thought he was towny early on based on the above. Then he made a good case about trefl. Yet despite that you have him as scum..alongside trefl. From my perspective, you have people who you read town for doing less towny things , than onegu has done yet you scumread him. it seems strange. It doesn't make sense to make a read on early D1 and then never change it. As information has come out, I've been getting more and more of a feel on people. By the first little tier post, Trfel had done nothing scummy and neither had Onegu. They even looked a little town for helping to get things started. Darthfoley and MexicanAlien appeared scummy to me for the first few pages, but their play has been solid since. The big turning point for me was when Onegu posted that giant stream-of-consciousness post. That was the only big thing he'd posted all game, and most of it lacked his own opinions. The only part where he said anything definitive himself was his read on Trfel (which I agree with, hence Trfel leaning scum in my mind). Onegu and Trfel both look like classic examples of players who are very active but not saying much. Onegu was also really confrontational toward accusations, which seemed odd to me. Could you explain to me what you find town about Onegu's play?
Why wouldnt I be confrontational?
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Onegu, when you said that Shapelog was being "weird" by bringing up meta on nooniansoong, what did you mean?
Did you mean that Shapelog was town, or mafia? If neither, why were you bringing it up?
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On January 28 2016 06:30 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 19:30 PepperMintTea wrote:On January 27 2016 17:20 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I am starting to fully understand the townie reads on Shapelog. Good reasoning and critical thinking @Eden1892
Onegu has seemed slightly scummy, and he's definitely not a cooperative player.
There's still something sketchy about PepperMintTea in my mind though. Can you explain what Onegu did that makes him scummy? On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:On January 27 2016 17:23 Eden1892 wrote:
Ok I'll grant that you do say Trfel is scummy without much ambiguity near the end of the train of thought post. It's hard to count that for much when you apparently forgot that read in your response to me though.
And you named mex and tea reads just now but said nothing to that effect in the post. If anything you implied mex was scum. Your comments on tea and tumbleweed weren't clearly indicative of any opinion.
Do you care to explain these discrepancies? What are you talking about? You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum? @Onegu I'm rather curious how you have come to this conclusion, I think at one point you had me down as "scummy as hell". The scum read is based on nooniansong's scum read of me. I hope that has been cleared up for you. But outside of this you defended me twice. On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote:
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.
Do you have any scumreads?
I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.
Some people play the game by finding town reads and then doing POE from there this is NAI. The question is fine. On January 27 2016 09:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much. Bleh. Can be caused by being busy... I would be interested how having, one fairly weak scum accusation, and two reasons you stated are not good reasons. I have come out as scummy as hell. It seems inconsistent. Perhaps you have misunderstood something I wrote. When people are scum reading scummy people for bad reasons I will point out they are bad reasons. I need to re read you to be honest. The fact that Noon is being dumb is making me trust he read less. Much more interested in Trfel and Tumble now. I will agree your point on Tumble is good.
Ok I can understand you pointing out bad reasons , can you tell me where "scummy as hell" came from , what are the very good reasons, you mentioned
On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:
You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum?
I am curious what these very good points are
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I'll just do this before I start my game, I think he's a better option than Onegu atm.
##Vote: Kuragari42
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I'm more than fine with that so far.
##Vote: Kuragari42
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No, no, no.....
##unvote
##vote Tumblewood
Was going to wait for him to respond, but meh  Kinda embarrassing to have a bunch of newbies catch scum and not me, but it is what it is XD
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On January 28 2016 06:32 Trfel wrote:
Onegu, when you said that Shapelog was being "weird" by bringing up meta on nooniansoong, what did you mean?
Did you mean that Shapelog was town, or mafia? If neither, why were you bringing it up?
I wasnt sure what to make of it to be honest. It was wierd. Thinking more on it seems to come from scum more than town mindset though.
Why the hell are you still asking questions. Do you think the more questions you ask the less I am going to scum read you.
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On January 28 2016 06:34 PepperMintTea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 06:30 Onegu wrote:On January 27 2016 19:30 PepperMintTea wrote:On January 27 2016 17:20 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I am starting to fully understand the townie reads on Shapelog. Good reasoning and critical thinking @Eden1892
Onegu has seemed slightly scummy, and he's definitely not a cooperative player.
There's still something sketchy about PepperMintTea in my mind though. Can you explain what Onegu did that makes him scummy? On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:On January 27 2016 17:23 Eden1892 wrote:
Ok I'll grant that you do say Trfel is scummy without much ambiguity near the end of the train of thought post. It's hard to count that for much when you apparently forgot that read in your response to me though.
And you named mex and tea reads just now but said nothing to that effect in the post. If anything you implied mex was scum. Your comments on tea and tumbleweed weren't clearly indicative of any opinion.
Do you care to explain these discrepancies? What are you talking about? You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum? @Onegu I'm rather curious how you have come to this conclusion, I think at one point you had me down as "scummy as hell". The scum read is based on nooniansong's scum read of me. I hope that has been cleared up for you. But outside of this you defended me twice. On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote:
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.
Do you have any scumreads?
I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.
Some people play the game by finding town reads and then doing POE from there this is NAI. The question is fine. On January 27 2016 09:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much. Bleh. Can be caused by being busy... I would be interested how having, one fairly weak scum accusation, and two reasons you stated are not good reasons. I have come out as scummy as hell. It seems inconsistent. Perhaps you have misunderstood something I wrote. When people are scum reading scummy people for bad reasons I will point out they are bad reasons. I need to re read you to be honest. The fact that Noon is being dumb is making me trust he read less. Much more interested in Trfel and Tumble now. I will agree your point on Tumble is good. Ok I can understand you pointing out bad reasons , can you tell me where "scummy as hell" came from , what are the very good reasons, you mentioned Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:
You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum? I am curious what these very good points are
It was the whole stream of thoughts thing and you scum reading shape for it. I need to read your post on that.
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I'm fairly confident we'll get scum with either Tumblewood or Kuragari.
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On January 28 2016 06:54 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 06:34 PepperMintTea wrote:On January 28 2016 06:30 Onegu wrote:On January 27 2016 19:30 PepperMintTea wrote:On January 27 2016 17:20 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I am starting to fully understand the townie reads on Shapelog. Good reasoning and critical thinking @Eden1892
Onegu has seemed slightly scummy, and he's definitely not a cooperative player.
There's still something sketchy about PepperMintTea in my mind though. Can you explain what Onegu did that makes him scummy? On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:On January 27 2016 17:23 Eden1892 wrote:
Ok I'll grant that you do say Trfel is scummy without much ambiguity near the end of the train of thought post. It's hard to count that for much when you apparently forgot that read in your response to me though.
And you named mex and tea reads just now but said nothing to that effect in the post. If anything you implied mex was scum. Your comments on tea and tumbleweed weren't clearly indicative of any opinion.
Do you care to explain these discrepancies? What are you talking about? You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum? @Onegu I'm rather curious how you have come to this conclusion, I think at one point you had me down as "scummy as hell". The scum read is based on nooniansong's scum read of me. I hope that has been cleared up for you. But outside of this you defended me twice. On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote:
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.
Do you have any scumreads?
I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.
Some people play the game by finding town reads and then doing POE from there this is NAI. The question is fine. On January 27 2016 09:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much. Bleh. Can be caused by being busy... I would be interested how having, one fairly weak scum accusation, and two reasons you stated are not good reasons. I have come out as scummy as hell. It seems inconsistent. Perhaps you have misunderstood something I wrote. When people are scum reading scummy people for bad reasons I will point out they are bad reasons. I need to re read you to be honest. The fact that Noon is being dumb is making me trust he read less. Much more interested in Trfel and Tumble now. I will agree your point on Tumble is good. Ok I can understand you pointing out bad reasons , can you tell me where "scummy as hell" came from , what are the very good reasons, you mentioned On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:
You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum? I am curious what these very good points are It was the whole stream of thoughts thing and you scum reading shape for it. I need to read your post on that.
right
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honestly onegu that is a really weak answer
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