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Trfel
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I'm pretty confident of my scumread of Holyflare. I also think that ritoky could be mafia. Yeah, my reads changed a lot, didn't they. @NocturneMage: Why do you think that Holyflare is town? @geript: I felt that AlotSomuch's read here: On January 16 2016 01:40 AlotSomuch wrote: shows some critical thinking. Do you disagree?You first say that because I misspelled holeyflairs name, I'm probably town because why would mafia try to antagonize him? But I was misspelling everyone's name last game as well. Then when Ritokey is mocking Holeyflair's posts about the mods raping him and consent and such, you ignore what you said made me town and said it made Ritokey scum. That bugged me. The "what the fuck is going" on post was about 2 more people /out'ing if I remember right, which is an appropriate response the game seeming to be ending before it started...again. Next job, trying to figure out how explain my Holyflare read. If anyone wants to talk to me, now would be great? I'd like to head out soon, but this game is much more enjoyable when like, actually interacting with people? | ||
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On January 16 2016 10:31 Damdred wrote: I don't have a very good read on him right now. He does feel involved in the game and he's looking into different things, which makes me feel like he is town, but his scumread on AlotSomuch doesn't feel quite right to me yet (pending his answer to my question above), and because I'm not sure how he is reading into drunk posts (though I don't have much experience with drunkenness, so perhaps they're more useful than I thought?).Trfel do you think geript is town? | ||
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Holyflare is mafia because his posting has no direction. It's not focused, it's not trying to find mafia. Holyflare's posting is primarily motivated by survival instead of solving the game. Holyflare said that he didn't like ritoky's posts, and then dropped it. Then he said that Damdred was mafia for not interacting with him, and then dropped that as well. No explanation either time. Then he said that I (Trfel) was mafia for making a bad post. Then he said that raynpelikoneet was mafia for a logical flaw. The important part is how Holyflare goes about these progressions. He doesn't seem to care about his scumreads at all (throwing them away like candy wrappers), he's not encouraging people to lynch his scumreads. His argument with raynpelikoneet seems more focused on trying to argue and make himself look good, rather than getting raynpelikoneet lynched. Examples and further explanations can be provided if necessary. Holyflare, I'd really, really appreciate an answer, to this and also why you were suspicious of ritoky early on? | ||
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On January 16 2016 10:37 Damdred wrote: I'm a bit suspicious of NocturneMage, I feel like his posts are very conforming and don't progress the thread at all.Just depends I think. What about nm and rayn? Raynpelikoneet feels like town. His posting feels more genuine and directional, and it feels like he actually cares about the game. The way he approached his Holyflare townread felt very towny to me (not necessarily what he said, but the post right after it. Raynpelikoneet has been very influential in the game, in contrast to some of the other active posters; he's actually making stuff happen, which I don't think scum would want to do here. | ||
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On January 16 2016 10:44 Ace wrote: The thread is only nine pages, can't you read it?Im back. Voting ends tomorrow right? Besides Holyflare is mafia what else should I be aware of? rayne is still sane right? VE hasn't done any wild gambit yet? Palmer still doing town stuff (allegedly!)? Do you disagree about Palmar doing town stuff? And yes, the day ends tomorrow. | ||
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On January 17 2016 00:02 Damdred wrote: Damdred, do you think that Holyflare as town wouldn't care enough to not push his reads?When have I ever fear lynched you though hf? I'm prideful enough that I think I can catch you even if I dont, I don't see how your scum here. Your outburst was nai to a degree yes but yeah. I don't think you egg on your lynch as scum as wifom as that is. | ||
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On January 17 2016 00:37 Palmar wrote: For the first part, why? Still just because you want to?we're 100% lynching hf and shooting trfel I'm not really gonna read anything until they're both dead. | ||
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On January 17 2016 00:44 Holyflare wrote: I'm not sure. You're known for your extremely aggressive play as mafia. However, it feels like not pushing your reads makes more sense from mafia than from town to me right now.And you think I as mafia wouldn't want to push my reads? If there's something I'm not understanding, please enlighten me. I'm not good at mafia, but I'm trying to figure things out, and it would be great if you helped me here. | ||
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On January 17 2016 00:47 Damdred wrote: Sorry, here's my thought process, where do you disagree?Basically it's nai because the same argument could be made either way tbh. Could hf do it as scum? Yes. Could he do it as tpwn? Possibly more 're than likely Hf to my knowledge likes to play as scum and town so yeah 1. Holyflare isn't pushing his reads 2. If town doesn't push their reads, then they are not trying to win the game / disinterested in the game 3. If scum doesn't push their reads, this doesn't necessarily matter because their goal is to survive (thus, as long as survival is accomplished, it's perfectly acceptable) | ||
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On January 17 2016 00:51 Damdred wrote: I don't push my reads very much any more. Most people on TL Mafia don't really push their reads. But this is Holyflare we're talking about, not me.Just answer this if you don't want to play a game and sort of trapped in it would you push your reads? Hf probably will be lynched today but idk I think he flips town | ||
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And meh, I'll look through Holyflare's filter again, but it still feels much more mafia-motivated. Maybe I need to read into emotions more and motivation less... or maybe the other way around. Bleh. | ||
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I'd rather not lynch DoYouHas or Cephiro today, they feel very much like coinflips. My thinking is that in a low activity, disinterested game like this, mafia doesn't need to be super involved with the thread and direct people, because town is going to be largely focused on town. So, mafia just wants to be in the background and mostly fit in, but look good enough to avoid suspicion and have the ability to start seriously pushing something if they need to. NocturneMage fits that description very well. The best example of this is how he was townreading Holyflare, but didn't care to explain it (or maybe gave one sentence that didn't really say anything, depending on how you interpret it), and was scumreadaing me (Trfel) and voted me. But he didn't seem to care at all that Holyflare was being lynched and he was the only person voting for me. I guess I'm not sure how to explain it, but to me NocturneMage doesn't feel like disinterested town, but like mafia trying to fit in. What do you think? | ||
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On January 17 2016 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: When I make reads, I generally assume that everyone else is town. This is because my reads suck and I only remember one time where I had multiple scumreads at once and at least two were actually scum. Second, I assumed (apparently incorrectly) that AlotSomuch was a smurf from TL mafia.I think you should probably first answer this: I am sorry but i don't really feel like answering you since i think you are scum unless you can reasonably explain this and i don't really feel like arguing with scum about their scumreads. | ||
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On January 17 2016 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I actually had a small town lean on Holyflare at the time. I just didn't think he was confirmed town.But your read is based mostly on Holyflare being town which you didn't think was the case at the time!! It is an associative reads which is terrible in the first place and even the association does not hold up in your mind (since basically the next post of yours is a case on Holyflare being mafia.......) | ||
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On January 17 2016 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you explain which posts made you think Holyflare is more likely to be town than mafia at that time? On January 15 2016 10:29 Holyflare wrote: Mostly this thing, I've seen Holyflare do things like this before as town (or third party playing like town) but never as mafia. Holyflare is generally a bit more to the point as mafia, from my experience. I started scumreading Holyflare based on what he did when he started playing the game a bit more seriously.Let me tell you a story about something I encounter in day to day work. This is a story about consent and the lack thereof. Consent is the permission for something to take place. Commonly consent is used in regards to a sexual nature and lack of consent leads to a charge called rape. The serious thing about consent is that it can be given or taken away at ANY time and equally importantly if you consent ONCE it does not mean you consent EVERY time. This is where the game falls flat. I consented to be in one game and theorised that because I am so good and have little time that I will either roll town and die n1 or roll mafia and have an afk excuse. Now, that game I consented to is gone and in this game the days don't align with me and I'm just not feeling the sexual arousal needed so you did not have my consent. The hosts have raped me. | ||
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On January 17 2016 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is not true at all, what gives you this idea?Actually judging from your case you started scumreading Holyflare when he made his vote on Damdred.... | ||
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