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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 01:04 GMT
#34
/out
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 01:14 GMT
#39
Wait Damdres, did you think I was serious? Or was that unrelated?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 03:20 GMT
#50
On January 15 2016 12:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well you could have just PM'd the hosts HF since it seems like you were here 15min before the game start...
I am sorry, especially for Ace. I guess this is not a good idea after all.
Are you not planning on continuing the game?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 03:59 GMT
#51
Meh, here goes nothing.

AlotSomuch is town

On January 15 2016 09:09 AlotSomuch wrote:
Think you missed your chance there HoleyFlair
I don't feel like this is a post that is natural for mafia to make. In addition to taunting Holyflare, he intentionally messes with his name. Assuming for the moment that Holyflare is town, scum doesn't want to aggravate Holyflare unnecessarily, doing so in this case has no mafia motivation.

ritoky is mafia

Ritoky's play doesn't make much sense from a town perspective. He seems to be very disinterested in the game, instead of enjoying it, while implying that he's a bit involved. He's very willing to engage in banter, and answers questions about the game, but he doesn't do anything at all to further the game.
+ Show Spoiler [examples] +
On January 15 2016 09:18 ritoky wrote:
a former oregon coach is now the coach of the dumpster fire 49ers; finally i can consolihate. great day.
He completely ignored all of the thread at the time. I would have expected him as town to directly address Damdred.
On January 15 2016 09:59 Damdred wrote:
People having 0 respect for a game going on basically. Hf will swap but if you aren't oh the players list just not right.

Anyway rit what do you think of say hf? More than likely town?
On January 15 2016 10:04 ritoky wrote:
i nothing him.
On January 15 2016 11:02 ritoky wrote:
Let me tell you a story about something I encountered yesterday.

This is a story about a man and his pride.

Pride in this sense is being used for its negative meaning. Commonly pride can be used to refer to a sense of satisfaction or attachment to something, but not in this case. Rather we are using it in the sense of an inflated sense of self.

The serious thing about pride is that it can cause someone to make irrational decisions or decisions that have much larger consequences out of a misplaced sense of the situation.

This is where yesterday falls flat. As Aristotle taught us, pride can be both a virtue and a vice. As such marv rolled an alignment that he felt uncomfortable playing as, and rather than acquiesce to the powers at be he stood up for what he believed was right and what he had pride for: his town play. He refused to be forced to bend to the whims of an RNG machine for the amusement of others.

The hosts punished marv for being virtuous.

#FreeMarv
On January 15 2016 11:04 ritoky wrote:
Fellow believers, support me in:

The Free Virtuous Marv Petition:
1. ritoky




If you too feel that men and women should not be punished for being virtuous reach out to me for support.

Mocking Holyflare doesn't do anything to move the game forward, and isn't really funny, either. Ritoky doesn't try to actually get involved or talk to anyone.

The clincher is this post:
On January 15 2016 09:57 ritoky wrote:
wat the fuck is going on?
Which indicates a surprise of the state of the game. Ritoky doesn't seem to be enjoying the game, as his posts feel very uninspired and flat. Yet he doesn't do anything to further the game. This post:
On January 15 2016 10:04 ritoky wrote:
i nothing him.
suggests that ritoky is thinking about reads this game, but doesn't follow Damdred's lead to get the game started at all.

##vote ritoky
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 04:17 GMT
#53
On January 15 2016 13:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 12:20 Trfel wrote:
On January 15 2016 12:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well you could have just PM'd the hosts HF since it seems like you were here 15min before the game start...
I am sorry, especially for Ace. I guess this is not a good idea after all.
Are you not planning on continuing the game?

what's the point when Holyflare has basically confirmed his alignment?
Has he? I really wouldn't say that.

Holyflare is more than willing to make ridiculous lies as mafia.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 04:21 GMT
#55
On January 15 2016 13:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah so like he is telling the truth and he is town --> in which case the game is invalid.

Or he is mafia --> in which case we should 100% lynch him.

Soooo... in any way, the game is invalid.
I guess I have enough faith in humanity to think that Holyflare will allow the game to proceed normally and participate in an acceptable manner (even if not in his normal fashion).
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 04:25 GMT
#57
On January 15 2016 13:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Although i would be perfectly willing to play the game 9vs3 and remove HF. But then again now i think you, Trfel, are scum because of your argument on HF and the lack of thinking on the matter and that is out of game WIFOM case and that's also invalid.
It only shows that out-of-game WIFOM isn't always correct.

I'm more than happy to disprove you in time, tunnel me all you want.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 04:40 GMT
#59
Ace, raynpelikoneet, any thoughts on my scumread of ritoky?

Which I'm actually kind of serious about. Really.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 05:02 GMT
#62
On January 15 2016 13:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In other words i think you are trying to make something out of nothing because... because of Holyflare the whole first page of this game is nothing and can't possibly be alignment indicative.
And you think that this is mafia motivated because?

Anyway, I need to go to sleep. Good night.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 16:03 GMT
#114
On January 15 2016 14:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
umm.. because you call ritoky mafia for things that doesn't make him mafia?
If you were mafia and you saw absolutely nothing happening in the thread, what would you do?

If you were town and you saw absolutely nothing happening in the thread, what would you do?

On January 15 2016 16:52 Holyflare wrote:
Well initially I was annoyed and then I didn't like that ritoky and damdred didn't respond to anything meaningfully or even post responses and so I wanted to vote damdred for not even engaging me = mafia.

But then trfel came and posted that post which was ridiculous.

##vote trfel

And I would absolutely write everything i wrote as mafia so anyone even thinking it makes me an alignment is dumb or mafia (trfel).
Holyflare, if you didn't like ritoky and then I scumread ritoky, why was my post ridiculous?

Also, please explain what you mean by the last sentence? Because that's what I attempted to say (without the last part).

On January 15 2016 16:04 AlotSomuch wrote:
I don't know about Holey. Sure seemed willing to start talking play after wanting to /out. Meh. Assuming you'd die early so it's ok to sign up is awful regardless, and not alignment indicative, but ugh. Gross.
I'm buzzed.
Please explain how Holyflare showed that he was willing to start talking play?

Or do you mean play as in banter, not gameplay?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 16:25 GMT
#118
Eden1892 and sicklucker aren't in this game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 16:27 GMT
#119
On January 15 2016 16:04 AlotSomuch wrote:
I don't know about Holey. Sure seemed willing to start talking play after wanting to /out. Meh. Assuming you'd die early so it's ok to sign up is awful regardless, and not alignment indicative, but ugh. Gross.
I'm buzzed.
Bold emphasis mine.

Please explain how you reach the conclusion in this sentence?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 16:33 GMT
#122
Apologies. Your post had two sentences, saying two different things. And I misread both of them.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 16:35 GMT
#123
AlotSomuch,

Many people have said that my post here is very scummy. But no one has explained why.

Please explain to me why this post is scummy.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 16:45 GMT
#125
On January 16 2016 01:40 AlotSomuch wrote:
You first say that because I misspelled holeyflairs name, I'm probably town because why would mafia try to antagonize him?
But I was misspelling everyone's name last game as well. Then when Ritokey is mocking Holeyflair's posts about the mods raping him and consent and such, you ignore what you said made me town and said it made Ritokey scum. That bugged me. The "what the fuck is going" on post was about 2 more people /out'ing if I remember right, which is an appropriate response the game seeming to be ending before it started...again.
That read makes sense. Thanks for answering my question.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 17:17 GMT
#129
On January 16 2016 01:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: Trfel

So let's assume for now that ritoky is never getting lynched today. Let's further assume that you could only kill one of three people, and those three people are the MOST active people in the game so far. Which one would you lynch and why?
I don't know.

Raynpelikoneet, how confident are you in your scumread of Holyflare?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 17:38 GMT
#130
On second thought, maybe it's best to say this now.

Holyflare is mafia

Holyflare's play fits mafia motivation and doesn't have the same drive to solve the game that Holyflare shows as town.

No flow to his scumreads
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 15 2016 09:45 Holyflare wrote:
Well I'm town but now have 0 time so next time pm me that a new game was gonna start before rolling me into it!

ty, gg no re


##vote damdred


^ free mafia
On January 15 2016 16:52 Holyflare wrote:
Well initially I was annoyed and then I didn't like that ritoky and damdred didn't respond to anything meaningfully or even post responses and so I wanted to vote damdred for not even engaging me = mafia.

But then trfel came and posted that post which was ridiculous.

##vote trfel

And I would absolutely write everything i wrote as mafia so anyone even thinking it makes me an alignment is dumb or mafia (trfel).
On January 15 2016 17:29 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh you're 100% mafia then. The first post I was annoyed and then saw no reactions and made it into a plan. Quite evident by my posts and my vote on damdred but you're not even looking into that.

(to raynpelikoneet)
On January 15 2016 17:41 Holyflare wrote:
I mean thinking about it I don't actually dislike trfel all that much anymore. Rayn has easily become top mafioso.

It doesn't feel like Holyflare is interested in finding mafia. He seems to be portraying an attitude that is whatever is best for him at the moment, which feels like more playing to survive instead of genuine emotions.
On January 15 2016 22:48 Holyflare wrote:
Um no rayn you're dumb. I can tell you my plan whenever I feel like it, I don't have to do it in some guidelines that you lay out, especially when I was asleep and it was impossible.

This game is also dumb because artanis confirmed me as town so do what you want with that info. If I was mafia there would be no confusion and it just looks like a mafia rage quit tactic. Now I'm confirmed town.

Deal with it bro. You need to stop living in black and white details because I definitely haven't lied once this game.
This post is a key example of it. Holyflare is scumreading raynpelikoneet, but instead of caring that he caught mafia, he's telling raynpelikoneet why his scumhunting approach as a whole is incorrect.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 18:03 GMT
#132
On January 16 2016 02:50 Holyflare wrote:
You don't need to make a fake case to lynch me, just lynch me.
On a phone, so I can't really get quotes, but...

Holyflare, you said that you were suspicious of ritoky, and then said that my scumread of ritoky was garbage. Why were you suspicious of ritoky, and why was my read garbage?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 18:33 GMT
#134
Someone help me?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 15 2016 23:56 GMT
#167
I'll try to be back later tonight, however I doubt I'll be able to play a ton tomorrow.


Wow, I should get back to my trumpet playing. Good thing trumpet and mafia go well together.
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