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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On January 21 2016 13:54 The Shining wrote: Phone posting. Kei I'll reply to you once I get home. I just double checked outlaw, tt is right. He apologized for the throw, said he failed hard but he didn't say he would tryhard next game. I guess I took the apology to imply that. GB have you ever rolled back to back scum games? Because I'm not toot familiar with your scum meta but I could see you being less invested in rolling scum in back to back large games. I also am not sure you've ever been so obvious about asking questions about the op. It's one of the only things you've done. I don't know what rolling back to back means :/ | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Can you point out a single game where I have been useless day1 as scum? | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On January 21 2016 14:01 GlowingBear wrote: I don't know what rolling back to back means :/ Having 2 games, one after the other, where you were scum. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On January 21 2016 14:04 The Shining wrote: Having 2 games, one after the other, where you were scum. I don't remember that happening. I think when I've played Game of Thrones Mafia? I'm not sure | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482863-game-of-thrones-mini-mafia?user=GlowingBear | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On January 21 2016 13:12 Keirathi wrote: @Shining: Ooh, thanks. A few follow up questions if you're sticking around for a bit - Fair enough. Even if I'm scum, the other scum team wouldn't know that. So why wouldn't they try to bump me off of [1,1]? And if I'm town (and a good town, at that), then if someone does bump me off of first pick, then they would have to put up with extra scrutiny from me, yes? I mean, the draft order is public and everyone was claiming their numbers. It would be trivial to figure out who bumped me down. The point of the Palmar thing didn't have anything to do with Damdred at all. It had everything to do with how Palmar's read suddenly changed because I got [1,1] and THEN he decided to read my filter and decide I was scum. He could have done that before the draft phase ended and countered my [1,1] pick but didn't. And anyways, they could be on different teams. Or I could be wrong. Or whatever. I'm not sure how disliking Damdred in general is a conflict with not liking Palmars read switch? I can tell you why I have him down as tentative town. First, this post - That kind of jokey/lighthearted response just immediately 'feels' townie. Weak +town points. But the big thing is that a lot of his setup talk was about getting town protective/investigative roles. And he took Watson, which is a pretty pro-town role. If he's mafia, would he actually come out and SAY he wasn't going to much effort in? [I don't know TT and haven't read any of his games. I dunno what his personality is like or anything] The bumping you down thing actually makes a lot of sense when you put it like that. What you're saying is whether you were town or scum, someone bumping you down would make them suspect and possibly scummy to you, right? But it's NAI because there are two scumteams. You could be town and bumped by a scumteam, or scum bumped by the opposing scumteam. And in both cases, it would bring a possible scum open to scrutiny. It doesn't make you scum or town because the safest scumplay, regardless of your alignment, is to just leave you there. It just felt weird that someone like you had a few people TRing you at the time was allowed to keep the 1,1 and I was trying to find a reason for that. For the next one, I'll have to go re-read Palmar and check how that happened but I will say if you're right, it looks kind of bad. But considering Palmar was 5th in pick order, and no one showed any intention of bumping him, it could make sense from either alignment that he wouldn't counter your 1,1 and drop himself lower down the list. And the conflict with the Damred read and Palmar's switch was that you scummed Damdred after making the Palmar point. I can't really explain it but mentioning Damdred and his list at that moment felt like you would've pointed out what you thought was scummy about Damdred right then, as well, if you were scumreading him instead of waiting until after and making a separate "lets talk about Damdred" post. I can understand where you're coming from with Disfo but I don't feel that it's enough to town him, probably because i've played with him before. I remember emoticons and joking around from him in Dark Tournament, where he was scum. But the point about him discussing protective and investigative roles does make him look better. And his insta-claim of one of the sanity checks(I think it was Holmes) doesn't seem like there was any thought behind it, just "I have this info, I'm going to share it with town." That's why I'm waffly. RE: TT Ehhh I'm not really sure but he HAS come out and said he's not going to put much effort into games before as town so it could be trying to replicate past town games. But it's a super weak meta point at best, and paranoia at worst. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On January 21 2016 14:14 GlowingBear wrote: Ok it seems I'm right, I saw it untie database http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482863-game-of-thrones-mini-mafia?user=GlowingBear I just checked the database, it also happened here: [M][T] Mission Mini Mafia Mafia Mission Mafia Survived Day 5 [N] TL Mafia LXVIII: Fanfic Crossover Edition Mafia Roleblocker Survived Day 3 And GoT was the 2nd of these two back to backs: [M][N] Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 2 [M][N] Game of Thrones Mini Mafia Mafia Godfather Lynched Day 3 You get a bonus point for ante'ing up some of this info, though. I'm gonna skim the filters of those 2nd games and see how many fucks you give(or don't give) on D1. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On January 21 2016 14:21 The Shining wrote: For the next one, I'll have to go re-read Palmar and check how that happened but I will say if you're right, it looks kind of bad. But considering Palmar was 5th in pick order, and no one showed any intention of bumping him, it could make sense from either alignment that he wouldn't counter your 1,1 and drop himself lower down the list. And the conflict with the Damred read and Palmar's switch was that you scummed Damdred after making the Palmar point. I can't really explain it but mentioning Damdred and his list at that moment felt like you would've pointed out what you thought was scummy about Damdred right then, as well, if you were scumreading him instead of waiting until after and making a separate "lets talk about Damdred" post. To clarify, I don't particularly think Palmar is scum. There are a few things (like this one) that keep me from saying he's like 100% town or anything, but for now it's reasonably likely that he's town. If he's not, it should be easy enough to deduce later. | ||
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geript
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geript
10024 Posts
I'm with Kita I think Palmar's not town. Like he's posting a lot which he can do as any alignment. But between who he's not reading town and the mix of parts of his plan not making sense and the plan not really being used as a method to scumhunt. It's just not sitting right with me. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Thankfully the planning phase is now over. This is a note to future Palmar so I can quote it in other games. Dear Palmar. Never, ever, again try to organize and plan TL Mafia towns. It will cause you unbearable pain and you will gain very little from it. So now, all I have to do is post who I think is mafia and who isn't. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Some times he sounds a bit fake tonally, but he did pick a sweet role for town, and he is actually putting in management work through getting the role list nailed down so meh. I liked his "trust issues" comment on me, and I didn't mind his early townread on TT. Then he had some tonally weird things like the lemon-tree comment about TT in his list, which unless that's some kind of an inside joke, it feels like a very weird thing to call people. I think the conclusion is I have no real interest in lynching him today. I want more hard reads from him though. If his filter had a few decently constructed reads in it I'd feel a lot more comfortable. I think he'd be a pretty good check. Also his reaction to the scumreads was maybe a bit over the top. Not sure if it's genuine to care so much about a few shitty "maybe scum" reads. Unless he thinks he has played townie enough to warrant a universal townread or something. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
unless he took the flowerdreamer role. Or w.e that role is called. I already forgot. I hope somebody an redirect me to him claiming that role after the night and hopefully somebody else can confirm. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
I think I'm going insane. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 21 2016 18:14 Koshi wrote: But I have no scumreads except for Cephiro. Kita is the hard one Vivax is the easy one | ||
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