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This was your own notes for keeping track of your reads?
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On January 27 2016 05:55 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 05:54 Tictock wrote:This was your own notes for keeping track of your reads? Yes.
Really? kus some of the wording is strange.
Slight townie feel from the argument with OWS at the end of drafting phase. I have fact-checked, but I don't remember scum!damdred ever raging in thread.
This isn't written like a note you leave for yourself, this is written for someone else to read it
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On January 27 2016 06:06 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:02 Tictock wrote:On January 27 2016 05:55 Keirathi wrote:On January 27 2016 05:54 Tictock wrote:This was your own notes for keeping track of your reads? Yes. Really? kus some of the wording is strange.
Slight townie feel from the argument with OWS at the end of drafting phase. I have fact-checked, but I don't remember scum!damdred ever raging in thread.
This isn't written like a note you leave for yourself, this is written for someone else to read it My intention was to post it at the end of night0, but I wasn't finished with it then and then quit updating it shortly after day1 started. Well, except for adding in an extra column for the claimed roles.
Humm ok that makes sense.
Don't really think scum would bother to fake something like this anyways, was just wondering.
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Super being RB'd just means mafia wanted to stop him from saving/killing anyone.
Implying that the RB happened to save me is silly kus he claimed who he would shoot at the last second.
Not like it helps prove I'm town, but it def doesn't confirm me as mafia.
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On January 27 2016 08:51 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 08:50 Tictock wrote:
Super being RB'd just means mafia wanted to stop him from saving/killing anyone.
Implying that the RB happened to save me is silly kus he claimed who he would shoot at the last second.
Not like it helps prove I'm town, but it def doesn't confirm me as mafia. Who do you think is the most likely to have blocked me, and why?
It guess GB, it's weird that he was pretty adamant about never claiming, then suddenly claimed last night.
Though tbh it's interesting that this is the 2nd time that you claim to shoot and it doesn't happen. I also get the benefit of knowing that you've only tried to kill town so far this game.
I disagree that Super and Rels are confirmed town, hell I'm still not sure I really trust Palmar.
Koshi and SL I'm fairly convinced are town. I'm also pretty convinced Disformation and Keir are town. That's where I'll make my start for looking over people today.
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On January 27 2016 09:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 09:05 Tictock wrote:On January 27 2016 08:51 Superbia wrote:On January 27 2016 08:50 Tictock wrote:
Super being RB'd just means mafia wanted to stop him from saving/killing anyone.
Implying that the RB happened to save me is silly kus he claimed who he would shoot at the last second.
Not like it helps prove I'm town, but it def doesn't confirm me as mafia. Who do you think is the most likely to have blocked me, and why? It guess GB, it's weird that he was pretty adamant about never claiming, then suddenly claimed last night. Though tbh it's interesting that this is the 2nd time that you claim to shoot and it doesn't happen. I also get the benefit of knowing that you've only tried to kill town so far this game. I disagree that Super and Rels are confirmed town, hell I'm still not sure I really trust Palmar. Koshi and SL I'm fairly convinced are town. I'm also pretty convinced Disformation and Keir are town. That's where I'll make my start for looking over people today. explain right now why you are more sure on SL than me.
SL tried to say I'm definitly mafia because FF said me and Kita were a team, but then started to mix things and and said that Kita was the one who was saying I was on a team with FF. If he was scum I don't think he'd flip the names around like that kus he'd actually know who is on his team.
You are pretty unlikely having cased Vivax and Kita early on, could still be that you are scum on the other team though. Like Koshi said scumhunting doesn't really confirm you town in this setup kus for all we know your only scumhunting for one team.
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On January 27 2016 09:15 Koshi wrote:
##vote tictock
Also waffled on the read on me somewhere. I was lock town from the start and then somewhere he posted an entire post how I "now" confirmed town to him.
Boring stuff. Keeping options open. Not solving the game.
Yea kus waffling and changing my mind shows no thought process at all...
There was a decent day or so i was really thinking you were mafia, was some of your interactions before EoD2 that made me go back to you being town.
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On January 27 2016 09:19 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 09:17 Tictock wrote:On January 27 2016 09:09 Palmar wrote:On January 27 2016 09:05 Tictock wrote:On January 27 2016 08:51 Superbia wrote:On January 27 2016 08:50 Tictock wrote:
Super being RB'd just means mafia wanted to stop him from saving/killing anyone.
Implying that the RB happened to save me is silly kus he claimed who he would shoot at the last second.
Not like it helps prove I'm town, but it def doesn't confirm me as mafia. Who do you think is the most likely to have blocked me, and why? It guess GB, it's weird that he was pretty adamant about never claiming, then suddenly claimed last night. Though tbh it's interesting that this is the 2nd time that you claim to shoot and it doesn't happen. I also get the benefit of knowing that you've only tried to kill town so far this game. I disagree that Super and Rels are confirmed town, hell I'm still not sure I really trust Palmar. Koshi and SL I'm fairly convinced are town. I'm also pretty convinced Disformation and Keir are town. That's where I'll make my start for looking over people today. explain right now why you are more sure on SL than me. SL tried to say I'm definitly mafia because FF said me and Kita were a team, but then started to mix things and and said that Kita was the one who was saying I was on a team with FF. If he was scum I don't think he'd flip the names around like that kus he'd actually know who is on his team.
You are pretty unlikely having cased Vivax and Kita early on, could still be that you are scum on the other team though. Like Koshi said scumhunting doesn't really confirm you town in this setup kus for all we know your only scumhunting for one team. Wait, how do you know Kita and Vivax were on the same team? My intuition would say they were on OPPOSITE teams, in which case Palmar has been pushing to lynch people from botht eams?
I said it could be the case, why do you think they were on different teams? I thought Palmar even made his big case about Kita's read on Vivax linking the two.
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On January 27 2016 09:22 Superbia wrote:
TT who did you think I was going to shoot in the night?
The fuck would I know, least until you posted that you were gunna shoot me.
I don't recall any of your posts last night before that one.
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Bah, few too many posts happening I think I'm missing stuff and all I'm doing is defending myself always.
Gunna step out, I'll be back later tonight.
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On January 27 2016 09:26 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 09:25 Tictock wrote:On January 27 2016 09:22 Superbia wrote:
TT who did you think I was going to shoot in the night? The fuck would I know, least until you posted that you were gunna shoot me. I don't recall any of your posts last night before that one. Can you elaborate a bit on copcake and glowingbear?
Honestly no.
Other than weak townreads based on meta (moreso on Cake than GB), they have both just been hanging out in the background.
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On January 27 2016 09:28 Koshi wrote:
Copcake,
not kidding.
I will not vote you if you shovel GB.
100% promise.
I don't have any issues with this initiative.
Seriously though, stepping out now for a bit.
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Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this.
I'm pretty sure these people are town:
13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler +Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.
D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him
15. The Shining (+ Show Spoiler +not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him
17. sicklucker (+ Show Spoiler +gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though
These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today
21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler +gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role.
22. Palmar (+ Show Spoiler +Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1
12. Superbia (+ Show Spoiler +Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different ( his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences. I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town.
5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?
Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.
Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here.
Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.
1. disformation (+ Show Spoiler + Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.
3. Rels (+ Show Spoiler +I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for
4. Onegu (+ Show Spoiler +honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.
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Eh my misgiving's about Superbia are probably being influenced by OMGUS.
Gunna yolo predict this game is
Koshi, Palmar, Onegu, FF (kus that would be sweet plays by them) vs Kita, Vivax, Dis, Rels (kus that would mean my D1 reads were pretty decent)
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On January 27 2016 14:11 Tictock wrote:
Eh my misgiving's about Superbia are probably being influenced by OMGUS.
Gunna yolo predict this game is
Koshi, Palmar, Onegu, FF (kus that would be sweet plays by them) vs Kita, Vivax, Dis, Rels (kus that would mean my D1 reads were pretty decent)
For now I'm gunna just assume this is god teir reads and vote Onegu to get rid of his role and keep the teams balanced.
##Vote: Onegu
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Humm I'n not sure why I'm assuming GB was town in all of that.
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On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe. To expound - You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together. And you vote Onegu? Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil. Doesn't sound very believable to me.
I gave reasons for why people are in the category they are, it's not really my read on people. As in, I've been saying that I'm not sure I trust Palmar and I think there is still a chance that he's mafia, but for the most part what he has been doing has been pro town.
Idk what to tell you about the rest, I often sit down to write posts and they evolve as they go. I made a list of everyone, took the people I felt were strongly likely to be town at top, then made the group of people I'm less sure about but have points in their favor. Who I ended up with was Rels, Dis and Onegu as I was trying to put together my thoughts on Onegu I started thinking about him using his ability that way and it sorta made sense and things clicked, so I ran with it.
Maybe it's silly to vote him kus I liked my own tinfoil, but until I do the work and read some filters I'll leave it in your guy's hands if you want to give Onegu the KP power to kill me, or lynch me, or shoot me again. Unlike Koshi I don't really care if I make it to endgame.
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Idk I think it's cool that some of you guys make graphs and charts and stuff to organize your thoughts and reads.
Me, I just kinda go with the flow which sometimes means I'm reacting more with my gut instincts on things and add in more thinking later.
It's probably why I get called a flower a lot and often do and say pretty little flower things.
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On January 27 2016 23:53 sicklucker wrote:
I can get on board with killing onegu. But I am not the same mafia alignment as him and he didnt kill me so there is some reason to acualy tr him now sadly..
That being said he seems super wling to kill me here which means he will just try to kill me tonight so im probably down. (i dont have to use my powers)
Uhh, so you are mafia just not with Onegu?
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On January 28 2016 00:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this. I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi ( + Show Spoiler +Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.
D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him ) 15. The Shining ( + Show Spoiler +not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him ) 17. sicklucker ( + Show Spoiler +gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though ) These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake ( + Show Spoiler +gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role. ) 22. Palmar ( + Show Spoiler +Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1 ) 12. Superbia ( + Show Spoiler +Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different ( his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences. I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town. ) 5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?
Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.
Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here. ) Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this. 1. disformation ( + Show Spoiler + Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads. ) 3. Rels ( + Show Spoiler +I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for ) 4. Onegu ( + Show Spoiler +honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down. ) Wow TT is scum. He makes a list of his reads, and is convinced the 3 people at the bottom are scum. We know he is that sure because of this sentence: Show nested quote +
Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.
"I've got two scums above", meaning the 3 below are 100% scums. So if he's town, he's abolutely sure Onegu disfo and me are scums. But reading the spoilers: Show nested quote +
1. disformation ( Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.)
3. Rels (I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for)
4. Onegu (honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.)
So for all of these reads he states variations of "I need to check his filter". This is not how townie operate: here TT is giving his reads BEFORE doing the filter dives that should conclude in his reads. He is preparing his reads progression without doing the work to back them up. In short, they are fabricated. Furthermore, where is GB in all this ? He's been the scummiest player for a long time and he doesn't appear in this post.
I already explained to Keir how I went about making this post. The spoilers are explanations as to why I placed people how I did.
GB got shoveled and is no longer with us, I also mentioned him in a later post, but it really doesn't matter.
This reaction overall feels pretty kneejerk without much real thought as to what my alignment is, but thats kinda NAI.
Rels you've played with me plenty, I'd think you'd be more used to how I rethink my reads and stuff throughout a game.
Also I've been meaning to ask you, did you give up making meta reads?
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