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On January 19 2016 09:08 Tictock wrote:
Yay I think I have 2 town reads.
and we haven't even started the game proper
FYI I'm probably never saying what I pick. It may or may not be a number I throw out, and I'm not above tanking somebody's spot just kus.
Reads? Care to share who/why? 
On January 19 2016 09:27 Superbia wrote:
I already have this game 10% solved.
Does that mean you have the alignment of 2.2 ppl figured out or that you have found 0.8 scum?
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On January 19 2016 09:43 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2016 09:30 disformation wrote:On January 19 2016 09:08 Tictock wrote:
Yay I think I have 2 town reads.
and we haven't even started the game proper
FYI I'm probably never saying what I pick. It may or may not be a number I throw out, and I'm not above tanking somebody's spot just kus. Reads? Care to share who/why? Thinking Koshi and Superbia town. Kinda based on meta as well as their mindset. I could see mafia claiming to go for dreamflower though, it's an obviusly pro-town role and might give them some easy cred. For whatever reason I believe Super is seriously going for it though, which is a risky move for mafia.
Well, that are both the ppl I made notes of so far. xD
Superbia going for Dreamflower smells a bit of wine to me though, but that could have different reasons. Also felt kinda genuine to me. Would lean town.
Second thing I noted was koshi dumbtelling and his reaction on being called out on that. Would town lean as well.
On January 19 2016 09:45 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2016 09:39 kitaman27 wrote:
Setup speculation time (first person to wine about this gets mafia points!)
What will I be spending my mafia points on? Kus I kinda don't like this post...
Can you narrow down what you don't like about this post?
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On January 19 2016 10:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm going to pick 3, 1.
Nobody else is allowed to pick my numbers.
NOBODY.
On January 19 2016 09:29 Koshi wrote:
[3,1] is Koshi. I will hunt the person responsible down if I get Mysterious Challenger. That card is OP as shit, I hate it.
*cough cough*
I think kita picked 4,1.
Next free should be 5,1?
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On January 19 2016 11:00 CopCake wrote:
Sup
soooo where do I pick powers?
From the OP:
After the 24 hours, the pick order list will be revealed (I will Not include what numbers everyone chose), and all players will have 24 hours to select a role from the below list. Selections must, again, be messaged to me and Half the Sky.
But the pick phase only begins at Wednesday, Jan 20 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
Currently we are determining the pick order list. As explained here:
On January 13 2016 05:45 GreYMisT wrote:Pick OrderThe game will begin after alignments have been sent out. At that point all players are free to communicate in the thread and in their mafia chat. During the next 24 hours all players must submit to both hosts a set of 2 numbers between 1 and 20, presented as [1],[12] (for example). Once collected, these numbers will determine your pick order. The first number is your “true” pick order number, while the second is your tiebreaker number in case someone else picks the same first number as you. The player with the first number closest to 1 will be highest in the pick order. However, if more than 1 player picks the same first number, all of those players will be moved to the back of the pick order. This will continue until all players have been assigned a pick order. This same process will be repeated for each player’s second number, in order to determine ordering within each group of tied first numbers. An example of how this might play out can be found below. + Show Spoiler [pick order demonstration] +
Player A - [4][19]
Player B - [1][12]
Player C - [1][6]
Player D - [7][8]
Player E - [3][4]
Player F - [7][8]
Player G - [7][20]
Players B and C both picked 1. They go to the back of the queue. Player E is the next lowest # and the only one that picked 3. He/She goes first. Then player A since He/She is the only one to pick 4. Then Player D would have been next with 7 ahead of B and C, but Player's F and G also picked 7 so they both go behind Players B and C.
Current Order: Bolded players are locked into position.
Player E
Player A
Player B
Player C
Player D
Player F
Player G
Now I just resolve Players B, C, D,F and G. Between B and C, I look at the second #. B has a 12, C has a 6. So C gets to pick before B.
Current Order: Bolded players are locked into position.
Player E
Player A
Player C
Player B
Player D
Player F
Now between D,F and G they all picked the same 1st numbers [7][?]. So I look at the second number to determine their order. Player G has a different number [7][20] whereas D and F both have [7][8]. Same rule as before and G gets to pick before D and F.
Player E
Player A
Player C
Player B
Player G
Player D
Player F
In the case of D and F I roll a dice to determine who goes first since they have the same 2 numbers. For arguments sake lets say F got a 1 and D got a 3 on a dice roll. F goes before D.
Player E
Player A
Player C
Player B
Player G
Player F
Player D
If a player fails to submit numbers, they will automatically be at the bottom of the pick order. If more than one player fails to submit numbers, then I will be sad, vengeful, and will randomize who goes first between them.
Again you have until Wednesday, Jan 20 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) in to submit these numbers, if you haven't done so.
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Hm.. nearly 4 am here, think I'll go to bed now.
For what it is worth I'll throw a TR at TT, since I feel like he is really trying to figure out the game already, while most ppl are preoccupied with the pick order and roles.
While I mentioned this stuff: not entirely sure what I think about picking roles based on pick order and/or priority or something. Like I am not sure if the benefit outweighs the costs and someone said that there are a bunch of roles that are hard to hold ppl accountable for/verify, need to think about that, but it could mean that there is room for scum to mess with the pick order and/or pick something else.
Will try to squeeze in some time tomorrow afternoon and think about this a bit more.
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phone post from bed:
think i forgot to mention that i would love to have the full detective trio (holmes, watson, mortuary) in the house.
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On January 19 2016 21:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2016 15:09 Breshke wrote:
I think mass claiming is a good idea just not D1 obviously mass claiming d1 is generally fine unless there is some kind of a witch role that matches players with roles and murders them. there's too many targets for mafia to kill, and it really helps
Isn't that exactly what Ezio does?
On January 19 2016 22:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2016 10:34 Breshke wrote:
Is making everyone pick roles based on pick order really that great? For some roles you can directly hold people accountable cos announcements but for others I'm not really sure how you can tell what they are doing. Also there's the risk that mafia get the ezio role
This being said I have no better alternative. Man, Ezio is kinda bad compared to others for town, but super good for mafia. Should be in the "policy" category IMO. I think directing the role distribution is super good though: - we can hold people accountable - if someone important is for example roleblocked, we have a list of person that couldn't do it - it assures town to have good roles
Okay, how would this picking by pick order work exactly?
Like once the pick order is established. We start with the first person to announce which role he/she wants and that has to be one of the roles very good for town? Which would also mean everyone would know everyone's role from the beginning.
Another advantage would be the minimization of overlap and therefore wild card mysterious challengers in the game.
Still not 100% about this, so if someone could explain a bit more in detail what the actual process of picking by pick order would entail that would be appreciated.
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Oh read ezio again, remembered him wrong. Though he could deal KP. You know him being an assassin and stuff. xD
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On January 19 2016 23:13 disformation wrote:
Oh read ezio again, remembered him wrong. Thought he could deal KP. You know him being an assassin and stuff. xD
EBWOP
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On January 19 2016 23:15 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2016 23:09 disformation wrote:On January 19 2016 21:18 Palmar wrote:On January 19 2016 15:09 Breshke wrote:
I think mass claiming is a good idea just not D1 obviously mass claiming d1 is generally fine unless there is some kind of a witch role that matches players with roles and murders them. there's too many targets for mafia to kill, and it really helps Isn't that exactly what Ezio does? On January 19 2016 22:59 Rels wrote:On January 19 2016 10:34 Breshke wrote:
Is making everyone pick roles based on pick order really that great? For some roles you can directly hold people accountable cos announcements but for others I'm not really sure how you can tell what they are doing. Also there's the risk that mafia get the ezio role
This being said I have no better alternative. Man, Ezio is kinda bad compared to others for town, but super good for mafia. Should be in the "policy" category IMO. I think directing the role distribution is super good though: - we can hold people accountable - if someone important is for example roleblocked, we have a list of person that couldn't do it - it assures town to have good roles Okay, how would this picking by pick order work exactly? Like once the pick order is established. We start with the first person to announce which role he/she wants and that has to be one of the roles very good for town? Which would also mean everyone would know everyone's role from the beginning. Another advantage would be the minimization of overlap and therefore wild card mysterious challengers in the game. Still not 100% about this, so if someone could explain a bit more in detail what the actual process of picking by pick order would entail that would be appreciated. I don't know how we could do it in details, but in general it's good for the reasons above. Especially the lack of mysterious challengers; after all, there are only 8 mafia, if everybody picks good roles, it means 14 townies has separate and good roles. I didn't count the number of roles but I assume there are more than 22. p: Now for the details, I suppose we just go down kita's tier list, like people just announce what they pick and we can talk about it.
Hmm... sounds fair enough.
Trying to think of scenarios in which scum could try and mess with that.
Like pick order A B C D E
If D was a scum player he could pick the role E was going to take. This would force E into Mysterious Challenger and basically denies town two good roles (cause 1 is in the hands of player D). This has the drawback for scum that player E will be very mad and 100% will try to find the scum in A B C D. Which means this also only works if D and E would have picked very similar roles, so D doesn't get outed after N1.
Giving up some of the prot roles to scum might also not be that bad though, they might run into problems for protecting their teammates over obv town ppl in the long run. Might also lead to hilarious situations where scum team A protects a towner from KP by scum team B. xD
Biggest drawback is like scum smuggling in some roles like ezio, but that will probably be discovered after a night or two.
That stuff is really complicated. xD
Any thoughts? Do I make sense?
I think I am down for the picking by pick order thing.
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Okay, everyone I am back. Skimmed the pages I missed.
Not really liking Vivax and CopCake so far. Both seem rather uncooperative.
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If anyone of you folks ninjaed my numbers I am going to be mildly upset.
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On January 20 2016 08:57 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2016 08:55 disformation wrote:
If anyone of you folks ninjaed my numbers I am going to be mildly upset. 
Seeing as you are directly behind me... you really did that did you?
Care to enlighten me as to why?
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On January 20 2016 09:10 Damdred wrote:
What numbers did you pick dis
Same I announced in thread 8,1.
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On January 20 2016 09:21 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2016 09:08 disformation wrote:On January 20 2016 08:57 Fecalfeast wrote:On January 20 2016 08:55 disformation wrote:
If anyone of you folks ninjaed my numbers I am going to be mildly upset. Seeing as you are directly behind me... you really did that did you? Care to enlighten me as to why? nah I never changed from 9, 6
Okay. Soo then I have to look at tictock. =/
Shouldn't be too mad. Still at like 50%.
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Yeah, assign me a role, but be gentle.
Still want TT to explain why he felt like picking the same number as me. =/
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On January 20 2016 09:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2016 09:45 Cephiro wrote:
I was thinking of blocking Kenpachi, Blazinghand, Pick Your Power Picker, leaving me one of...
Mirror Man, Cyrus, Windrunner, Shovel Knight
Whatever I'll get is whatever I'll get. correct me if I'm wrong, but don't people roll mysterious challenger roles if they get vanilla townied (ie: pick a role that's already been picked) if that's the case, do you mind picking a random role that should have been picked before you on our list, and thus be pushed to mysterious challenger?
You can also choose to be a mysterious challenger and then remove up to 3 roles from the mysterious challenger pool.
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On January 20 2016 10:10 Palmar wrote:
Before I go to sleep, this is the outline of a plan that I'm slowly formulating, it's not very well thought through yet, mostly because I don't really know most of the roles, but here goes:
1. Keirathi - Trust level quite low: Force to pick gambler or dreamflower
2. Superbia - Trust level high. Should probably pick Link
3. ObiWanShinobi - Trust level moderate. I'd be okay with any investigative role here
4. Rels - Trust level moderate, investigative or KP role is good
5. Palmar - Trust level highest. I'll either pick CPR doc or arrow
6. geript - Trust level fairly high. I want him on an investigative role I think
7. Breshke - Trust level quite low. Force to pick protective
8. Koshi - Crazy, can't deal with him probably
9. Cephiro - Scum. Force into a completely neutered scumrole pls (like pure investigative or df/gambler)
10. kitaman27 - Trust level low to moderate. Good for a protective role
11. Vivax - Scum (force to pick dreamflower or gambler?)
12. Tictock - idk
13. disformation - low trust
14. Fecalfeast - low trust
15. Damdred - moderate trust, but not too much.
16. AlotSomuch - low trust
17. VayneAuthority - low trust
18. The Shining - low trust
19. Onegu - dumbass, can't deal with him
20. Sicklucker - Trust level high. either use him as a check, or get him kita, or get him a good role by forcing it to drop
21. Copcake - Whatever, preferably we try to force her into a role
22. GlowingBear - Whatever, preferably we try to force him into a role
the bunch of people with low trust in the bottom half on the list should probably try to grab PROTECTIVE or INVESTIGATIVE roles.
I will revise my list of people I trust later on in the game, but I will not accept any excuse for people picking KP roles unless they're on my trusted list. Current people I'd trust with KP are:
Superbia
Me
geript
sicklucker
I need 2-3 more names on this list.
How to get onto the list? there's two options
1. Post well and play well so I townread you.
2. Someone else (a third party) makes a good argument for you being town.
If anyone has a problem with anyone on my trust list, then let me know.
Palmar I think you might have some trust issues. ;D
Also idk about TT. Like I thought he was town, but his unexplained number ninja onto me super confuses me. So, hope he shows up soonish.
But I would be okay picking like Doc, Watson or House. *shrugs*
Still love the idea of having the whole detective trio in play.
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On January 20 2016 11:07 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2016 09:43 disformation wrote:Yeah, assign me a role, but be gentle. Still want TT to explain why he felt like picking the same number as me. =/ Tbh it was a bit of a tossup if I wanted to hit 1:1, 4:1, or 8:1 1:1 was mostly just kus. 4:1 was what I was thinking of picking before game started, also I wouldn't have minded blocking Kita. 8:1 was to block you. I went with my gut and blocked you. Both you and Kita are mild scum leans based on what I've been able to read thus far. Largely based on tone and some meta, so eh.
mild scum lean, blocks number. "k".
not being cooperative. "k".
not sure I want to have a town lean on you anymore. 
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Mh. Might be a bit butt hurt towards TT here. Going to bed now.
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