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CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
January 27 2016 02:36 GMT
#3881
Sorry was looking for the perfect pic

By the power of the holy town and love I punish you GB

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##Shovel: Glowingbear

GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 03:28:32
January 27 2016 03:22 GMT
#3882
Justice In Spades!







Glowingbear, as Kenpachi, has been dug an early grave!

With 11 Alive it takes 6 to lynch.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
January 27 2016 05:08 GMT
#3883
Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this.

I'm pretty sure these people are town:
13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler +
Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.

D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him
)
15. The Shining (+ Show Spoiler +
not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him
)
17. sicklucker (+ Show Spoiler +
gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though
)

These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today
21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler +
gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role.
)
22. Palmar (+ Show Spoiler +
Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1
)
12. Superbia (+ Show Spoiler +
Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences.

I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town.
)
5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +
I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?

Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.

Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here.
)

Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.

1. disformation (+ Show Spoiler +
Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.

Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.

At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.
)
3. Rels (+ Show Spoiler +
I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.

Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for
)
4. Onegu (+ Show Spoiler +
honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.

This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"

I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.
)
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
January 27 2016 05:11 GMT
#3884
Eh my misgiving's about Superbia are probably being influenced by OMGUS.

Gunna yolo predict this game is

Koshi, Palmar, Onegu, FF (kus that would be sweet plays by them) vs Kita, Vivax, Dis, Rels (kus that would mean my D1 reads were pretty decent)
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
January 27 2016 05:21 GMT
#3885
On January 27 2016 14:11 Tictock wrote:
Eh my misgiving's about Superbia are probably being influenced by OMGUS.

Gunna yolo predict this game is

Koshi, Palmar, Onegu, FF (kus that would be sweet plays by them) vs Kita, Vivax, Dis, Rels (kus that would mean my D1 reads were pretty decent)


For now I'm gunna just assume this is god teir reads and vote Onegu to get rid of his role and keep the teams balanced.

##Vote: Onegu
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
January 27 2016 05:31 GMT
#3886
Humm I'n not sure why I'm assuming GB was town in all of that.
I can take that responsibility.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 27 2016 05:52 GMT
#3887
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 27 2016 05:57 GMT
#3888
On January 27 2016 14:21 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 14:11 Tictock wrote:
Eh my misgiving's about Superbia are probably being influenced by OMGUS.

Gunna yolo predict this game is

Koshi, Palmar, Onegu, FF (kus that would be sweet plays by them) vs Kita, Vivax, Dis, Rels (kus that would mean my D1 reads were pretty decent)


For now I'm gunna just assume this is god teir reads and vote Onegu to get rid of his role and keep the teams balanced.

##Vote: Onegu



On January 27 2016 04:12 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 21:17 Koshi wrote:
Maybe Rels is mafia with SL?
It is getting ridiculous.

They are not in the team with kita. But in the team with fefe.


I'm more worried about Rels and Damdred being mafia atm than SL or Onegu.

I should try and get through Rels filter here at some point, not sure it will happen before day though.

Catching a mafia Rels is not very easy though...



On January 26 2016 06:01 Tictock wrote:
Yea, I don't need to PM the hosts to know that Onegu didn't understand his own role.

I don't see why he'd lie about it, or how he'd misunderstand it this bad as mafia.

FF is still a great lynch. He doesn't care about this lynch at all still, only vaguely tries to discredit Kita.

Ofc even if Kita is mafia it in no way makes FF town.



On January 26 2016 06:30 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 06:15 Rels wrote:
Fucking town not wanting to lynch fucking busdriver. Let's lynch the scum vet instead.
I don't care you're dead tonight or tomorrow.
##Unvote
##Vote FecalFeast


I just would prefer to make sure we are lynching mafia again.

Maybe Onegu is scum, but there is an equally solid chance he is town here.

Either Onegu gets sorted out tonight through night actions or we can debate about him again tomorrow with more info.



Great read progression with zero reasons. Fairly happy to vote this guy.

##Vote: Tictock
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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 27 2016 06:08 GMT
#3889
On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe.

To expound -

You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together.

And you vote Onegu?

Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil.

Doesn't sound very believable to me.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
January 27 2016 06:33 GMT
#3890
Vote Count - Day 3


Copcake (4):, Koshi, Superbia, sicklucker, disformation
Tictock (2): sicklucker, Palmar, Koshi, Onegu
Onegu (1): Tictock

Not Voted (4): Keirathi, Rels, The Shining, Copcake

At this time, no one is slated to be lynched.
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.


Day 3 ends in on 00:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 27 2016 06:34 GMT
#3891
Keirathi and one more person vote me now.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 27 2016 06:34 GMT
#3892
Ill shoot TT
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 27 2016 06:37 GMT
#3893
Hurry up I will sleep in like 2 hours.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
January 27 2016 07:01 GMT
#3894
On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe.

To expound -

You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together.

And you vote Onegu?

Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil.

Doesn't sound very believable to me.


I gave reasons for why people are in the category they are, it's not really my read on people. As in, I've been saying that I'm not sure I trust Palmar and I think there is still a chance that he's mafia, but for the most part what he has been doing has been pro town.

Idk what to tell you about the rest, I often sit down to write posts and they evolve as they go. I made a list of everyone, took the people I felt were strongly likely to be town at top, then made the group of people I'm less sure about but have points in their favor. Who I ended up with was Rels, Dis and Onegu as I was trying to put together my thoughts on Onegu I started thinking about him using his ability that way and it sorta made sense and things clicked, so I ran with it.

Maybe it's silly to vote him kus I liked my own tinfoil, but until I do the work and read some filters I'll leave it in your guy's hands if you want to give Onegu the KP power to kill me, or lynch me, or shoot me again. Unlike Koshi I don't really care if I make it to endgame.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
January 27 2016 07:12 GMT
#3895
Idk I think it's cool that some of you guys make graphs and charts and stuff to organize your thoughts and reads.

Me, I just kinda go with the flow which sometimes means I'm reacting more with my gut instincts on things and add in more thinking later.

It's probably why I get called a flower a lot and often do and say pretty little flower things.
I can take that responsibility.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
January 27 2016 08:49 GMT
#3896
On January 27 2016 11:22 CopCake wrote:
Is this because you think I lied about my role Koshi?

Just curiosity.

No.

But yesterday when I made that post I had an epiphany. (When I said sicklucker and Onegu are mafia together.)


Why did Onegu bus Palmar with Damdred? Why not with sicklucker, who Onegu is 100% certain is mafia? Now the town medic died...

I also think there is something wrong with how sure sicklucker and how he is not killing Onegu tbh. Somewhere he made a really odd post about "I could see Onegu as town" and then every time I tell him Onegu uses his powers pro-town sicklucker starts this silly stupid vendetta kinda thing in which he is certain Onegu just does it to gain towncred... Really odd.

Smelled like TMI.


Anyway.

I would suggest town lets sicklucker duel Onegu and we lynch Onegu.




Be careful to not let Onegu hit 3 votes or otherwise he can kill another town (or opposing mafia (but who are we kidding it will be town))
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
January 27 2016 08:50 GMT
#3897
I can't read filters but I think I want to go there.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
January 27 2016 08:52 GMT
#3898
Also, TT is pretty much town to me at this point. Really want to keep him alive and listen to him more. He is refreshing.
I had a good night of sleep.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 27 2016 08:52 GMT
#3899
On January 27 2016 17:49 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 11:22 CopCake wrote:
Is this because you think I lied about my role Koshi?

Just curiosity.

No.

But yesterday when I made that post I had an epiphany. (When I said sicklucker and Onegu are mafia together.)


Why did Onegu bus Palmar with Damdred? Why not with sicklucker, who Onegu is 100% certain is mafia? Now the town medic died...

I also think there is something wrong with how sure sicklucker and how he is not killing Onegu tbh. Somewhere he made a really odd post about "I could see Onegu as town" and then every time I tell him Onegu uses his powers pro-town sicklucker starts this silly stupid vendetta kinda thing in which he is certain Onegu just does it to gain towncred... Really odd.

Smelled like TMI.


Anyway.

I would suggest town lets sicklucker duel Onegu and we lynch Onegu.




Be careful to not let Onegu hit 3 votes or otherwise he can kill another town (or opposing mafia (but who are we kidding it will be town))



...

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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
January 27 2016 08:53 GMT
#3900
btw, for post game thingies:

There is exactly 1 mafia in me/superbia/sl/koshi/rels.

I don't care right now. If this was a normally balanced game (17vs5 or so) instead of a two family game (14 vs 8) we would have time to figure out where the hidden mafia is. I know I am probably wrong on a townread, it's not that I'm too cocky to think I might be wrong, it's just that I don't believe I have time to pursue that train of thought.

For various reasons I'm giving copcake, keirathi and shining a pass today.

This leaves: Onegu, tictock and disformation. (notice that even with GB flipping mafia my mafia list is short 1 person, I told you I'm going to be wrong on things).

Today I am willing to lynch between disformation and tictock I think. Additionally, can anyone see any downside in letting Onegu shoot disfo? (notice that I want to make him shoot disfo instead of tictock for various reasons).
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