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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 23 2016 16:13 GMT
#2581
Do I count as a vet?
Retired.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 23 2016 16:14 GMT
#2582
Well Palmar didn't die yet so you are currently on 0. But my hopes are up you can make it to 1 tonight!
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 23 2016 16:16 GMT
#2583
On January 24 2016 01:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Do I count as a vet?

depends on if you consider people that played less long here than you veterans. Also, does cavalinho count?
I had a good night of sleep.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 23 2016 16:45 GMT
#2584
On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote:
He CLAIMS that he had already picked out Vivax as mafia, so why didn't he do anything about it???


Posting that I agreed with you was me doing something about it. I had the two post exchange with him in the thread and my very next post in the thread was calling him mafia. It's not like I was jumping on the bandwagon right before the deadline, this was a few hours into the game.

On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote:
It's also important to notice that if you go to Kita's filter you can see that while he consistently called Vivax mafia he was never actively trying to lynch him. He wasn't yelling for the lynch in the same way I do. There is no way a town Kita cares so little about the lynch.


  • Listed Vivax as my top scum read 3-4 times
  • Suggested that he be assigned the bodyguard role instead of the jailkeeper in my plan improvement post
  • Was the second player to vote Vivax
  • Pointed out the afk comparison to has his scum game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=Vivax
  • Posted that he was the most likely busdriver pick
  • Suggested that Vivax should be lynched, while leaving onegu for a night shot
  • Asked for a majority on him with a couple hours to go


But yeah, you know. I didn't care

On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote:
But more importantly, even if he doesn't agree with me, it doesn't make me mafia. Nothing he says in the first part of the case makes me mafia.


It was completely irrelevant whose plan was better (even though mine was). The fact that you exaggerated your read on me saying that I was "undermining" your plan and making your plan "useless" was the thing that made me come to the mafia conclusion. Enforced by the fact that ever time I tried to respond to you, you just called me dumb.

On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote:
Also, just like the Vivax read, I don't feel like he made a strong push to actually lynch me.


I didn't think you were a good day one lynch. I said that. I'll probably filter dive you later tonight to evaluate whether I still think you're mafia or if I just let you get under my skin during the planning phase.

On January 21 2016 07:21 Palmar wrote:
In fact I don't think Kita has passionately pushed anyone this game. It's just some shitty lists of 3-5 people thrown together as maybe mafia.


Well we've had almost identical reads most of the game, so pick one or the other.

On January 24 2016 00:45 Palmar wrote:
For a long time it felt like his filter was relatively short. It's up to maybe 7 pages now, but it was 5 pages back on day 1. Again, the whole "not invested" thing.


Well considering I average around 3-4 pages a cycle most games, it must mean I'm doubly invested! Phew.

On January 24 2016 00:45 Palmar wrote:
Part 4: Suggestions on how to deal with Kita in the future if I'm dead


Personally I prefer a funny gif or pop culture reference. Something like this would do.

[image loading]

Anyways, I'm just going to keep on trucking. One down, seven to go.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
January 23 2016 16:51 GMT
#2585
Palmar is awesome, his list of how to deal with Kita draw a huge smile on my face.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
January 23 2016 16:51 GMT
#2586
Also I would agree of him being mafia with TT and Koshi.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 23 2016 16:51 GMT
#2587
On January 23 2016 15:55 geript wrote:
So Kita do you think I'm scum. I'm curious.


You've only had like 2-3 alignment indicative posts so I'm kinda just waiting to hear more from you.

On January 21 2016 04:23 geript wrote:
It's just more an exercise to get people avoiding having to talk about reads. Especially when the core of the pick plan really is to also discuss who we don't trust and why.


Of those posts, this was the one that I found the scummiest, which I explained earlier. He clearly wasn't avoiding sharing reads in that post based on the role assignments. I attacked him for the "undermining" post, yet you seemed to jump on for completely different reasons that I didn't find valid.

I'd say you're still in the group of players that could be mafia, but not near the top of the list. Hopefully a good use of the Link role solves the problem.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
January 23 2016 16:52 GMT
#2588
I don't get the GB case, is it for being too indiferent to the game and being mia or something else?

kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 23 2016 17:03 GMT
#2589
On January 23 2016 15:26 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 13:14 kitaman27 wrote:
On January 23 2016 10:17 Keirathi wrote:
Wait wait wait Kita.

You've called me mafia multiple time. I semi-defended Vivax, and tried to get people to lynch geript instead.

What happened to your scum read on me? Did you just forget about me, or just deice to pick on the low-hanging fruit?


Yeah the 4-5 people I listed were the ones that immediately came to mind based on the Vivax interactions towards the end of the day.

Looking at your filter now, you had a few bad posts on him and yes I'm still leaning scum on you, though not particularly for the push on geript. I'll put together an updated list for who I think the remaining 7 are right before the day post tomorrow.

On January 23 2016 10:17 Keirathi wrote:
Also, "Damdred was hard defending Vivax in the last 30 minutes, tempted to say that makes him town" vs "Koshi was hard pushing Onegu the last 30 minutes, he definitely looks worse now". How do both of those together make sense??


I think the difference was that Koshi was aggressively pushing the counter lynch, while damdred seemed more concerned about a mislynch without really doing anything that was going to keep Vivax alive with the gb vote.


Can you point out what Keirathi posts were bad RE: Vivax?


On January 23 2016 03:47 Keirathi wrote:
Also, don't think we should be lynching Vivax today. Not positive he's town or anything, but his list of people to lynch looks pretty good except for maybe Rels.

I'm feelin' it enough that I don't want to lynch him today.


On January 23 2016 08:06 Keirathi wrote:
Even though I still think there are people who are more liekly to be mafia than Vivax, I think we still have to lynch him at this point. We are pretty sure there's an artorias in the game, and the weird timing of Vivax's claim after being so unwilling to play ball with town for the first 72+ hours means that we pretty much can't shannannie off of him.


These two. Initially he soft-defends Vivax without giving an alignment read when the lynch is up in the air and then returns later with his decision that we "have to lynch him".

He justifies it by saying:
1) Artorias is in the game
2) The weird lemming claim
3) Vivax was useless the first 72 hours

Well all three were true when he said we shouldn't be lynching Vivax so it seems like he was over explaining his reason for jumping on the bandwagon. The simple fact that Vivax had 6 votes on him to activate the night shot shouldn't be reason alone because we weren't lynching him solely for his role, we were lynching him for his play.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 23 2016 17:06 GMT
#2590
On January 23 2016 15:26 The Shining wrote:
I do agree on your point about Damdred not really trying to keep Vivax alive, but where was Koshi aggressively pushing a counter lynch? He kept mentioning and talking about Onegu but always maintained the fact that he'd consolidate but that Onegu was always his preferred lynch.


Yeah onegu is the counter lynch that I'm referring to.

Stuff like this:

"Wait you mean we can fucking lynch Onegu and most likely hit the fucking confirmed mafia??? Who the fuck is opposing that lynch?"

"Why do I need to believe Vivax his claim? If he can't make his claim hard next days. I can kill him. Easy. Why would mafia lie about it anyway? Also he is obvious town. "

"Onegu lynch is 1000000x better than Vivax lynch. I know this without reading anything xcept a couple posts from Vivax earlier and Onegu filter."
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 23 2016 17:06 GMT
#2591
Heading out in a bit, will post my suggestions for tomorrow's lynch later tonight.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 23 2016 17:15 GMT
#2592
On January 24 2016 01:16 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 01:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Do I count as a vet?

depends on if you consider people that played less long here than you veterans. Also, does cavalinho count?


/shrug
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 23 2016 17:15 GMT
#2593
On January 24 2016 01:51 CopCake wrote:
Also I would agree of him being mafia with TT and Koshi.


And Obi!
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 23 2016 17:16 GMT
#2594
On January 24 2016 01:52 CopCake wrote:
I don't get the GB case, is it for being too indiferent to the game and being mia or something else?



Nope, that's it.
Retired.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 23 2016 17:17 GMT
#2595
On January 23 2016 10:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
anyone here play dwarf fortress?

Have played a bit in the past, but I always end up flooding my fortress when attempting to get an underground well going.

On January 23 2016 11:22 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 11:18 sicklucker wrote:
i know its a terrible reaction test dont shoot me. why did i reaction test someone that can shoot me?


I can shot you at any given moment babe.

[image loading]

[image loading]
Can fully recommend watching.

On January 23 2016 11:26 sicklucker wrote:
Disinfo should probably be on my list but I have never tried to read his alignment and dont want to start now

"I might want to consider shooting this guy, despite not even trying to figure out his alignment."
Uh, okay? Thanks I guess?

On January 24 2016 00:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Which role is Koshi?

Don't think someone answered yet: Koshi is Werner von Braun (you know the guy with the nukes).

On January 24 2016 01:51 CopCake wrote:
Palmar is awesome, his list of how to deal with Kita draw a huge smile on my face.

Yeah, same reaction.
Still not too convinced about the first point against Kita, but I'll have to review the other points against him and read kita's response again after that.

Still having a hard time figuring out TT btw...
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 23 2016 17:20 GMT
#2596
On January 24 2016 02:06 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 15:26 The Shining wrote:
I do agree on your point about Damdred not really trying to keep Vivax alive, but where was Koshi aggressively pushing a counter lynch? He kept mentioning and talking about Onegu but always maintained the fact that he'd consolidate but that Onegu was always his preferred lynch.


Yeah onegu is the counter lynch that I'm referring to.

Stuff like this:

"Wait you mean we can fucking lynch Onegu and most likely hit the fucking confirmed mafia??? Who the fuck is opposing that lynch?"

"Why do I need to believe Vivax his claim? If he can't make his claim hard next days. I can kill him. Easy. Why would mafia lie about it anyway? Also he is obvious town. "

"Onegu lynch is 1000000x better than Vivax lynch. I know this without reading anything xcept a couple posts from Vivax earlier and Onegu filter."

btw. How can somebody still not believe Onegu is abyswalker?
Like... Before you say my read on Onegu is bad, shouldn't you confirm 100% that Onegu is town?

What if both Onegu and Vivax are mafia?

What then?

Or?

Just like the first guy said. I always wanted to lynch Vivax. But I preferred Onegu.


Kita,

I take it you hard townread Onegu?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 23 2016 17:22 GMT
#2597
Well apparently kita can't do anything else than make some shitty association reads based on people who had something against the Vivax lynch even though that lynch was set in stone and tmi mafia would be smarter about it.
I had a good night of sleep.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 23 2016 17:29 GMT
#2598
On January 24 2016 02:20 Koshi wrote:
Just like the first guy said. I always wanted to lynch Vivax. But I preferred Onegu.


Okay bub.

On January 24 2016 02:20 Koshi wrote:
Kita,

I take it you hard townread Onegu?


Hard read him as mafia actually. Would make a good shot tonight.

The whole two mafia factions makes things a bit more tricky, but if onegu flips mafia I'll forgive you. Kinda.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 23 2016 17:29 GMT
#2599
On January 24 2016 02:22 Koshi wrote:
Well apparently kita can't do anything else than make some shitty association reads based on people who had something against the Vivax lynch even though that lynch was set in stone and tmi mafia would be smarter about it.


See my goal is to antagonize as many people with kp as I can in a single night.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 23 2016 17:43 GMT
#2600
I will be resting in my bed at my mom's house tonight as the hero of this story.

I don't know where my dad is, doesn't matter though.

I have to stop an evil force from taking over the world.
I come in for the scraps
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