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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:47 GMT
#224
On January 14 2016 18:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On January 14 2016 18:44 Xatalos wrote:
On January 14 2016 18:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
On January 14 2016 18:37 Xatalos wrote:
I guess so...

VE: I also didn't really like the things ritoky was pushing. It was just the way he posted that made me think he could be town after all. He was so bold and didn't really seem to care what others thought of him. Fits better with a town mindset.

This describes ritoky as either alignment as far as I'm aware.


Really? Hm...

I mean, have you ever read a game where ritoky gives a shit what anyone thinks?


Can't say I really remember his play. Haven't played in a while.

Could you link to a scum game of his where he's posting whatever, perhaps?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:47 GMT
#226
On January 14 2016 18:42 Palmar wrote:
I think Xatalos looks really good in this exchange and rayn really bad.


What? :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:48 GMT
#228
On January 14 2016 18:47 Palmar wrote:
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On January 14 2016 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 14 2016 18:23 Xatalos wrote:
On January 14 2016 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so you were talking about Trfel and DYH there. I somehow thought you were talking about ritoky.

I disagree with you. I don't think it's likely at all ritoky does that as mafia.


Could you explain? I don't really follow either of those points :/ Sadly.

I don't see why ritoky:
1).."makes enemies" with two townies
2)..does call his scumbuddy scum (yes he puts suspicion on DYH because if he is just gonna claim 100% associative read that's retarded and bullshit 100%)

..when he can just.. not to do that.

This is pointless and frankly just wrong defense.

clearly rayn is pushing an agenda here.


Hm... You mean they would be scum together?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:51 GMT
#233
On January 14 2016 18:50 Palmar wrote:
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On January 14 2016 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 14 2016 18:01 Xatalos wrote:
To be fair, I voted you just because of Palmar's funny post. And I voted for Ace because he seemed the least willing to put forth any useful effort. Maybe some votes could pressure him into doing stuff. If not, well... There could be worse lynches.

this too.
Ace seems to be putting in effort but you are voting for him so he would put in effort?

This is also a gross misrepresentation. Ace has written about 5 posts, none of which can be classified as high effort posts.


To be fair I think rayn just misinterpreted my post there... Meaning he thought I said that or something like that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:53 GMT
#240
rofl
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:59 GMT
#248
Haha... I'm not totally sure if you're serious Palmar That "evidence" is pretty shaky... And rayn can be a huge asset if he's town.

My new heuristic... Its results are mixed, I guess. I'm undecided for the time being.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 10:01 GMT
#250
I liked rayn's activity and engagement so far though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 10:02 GMT
#254
LOL
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 10:02 GMT
#256
I'm starting to get the feeling that it's just some elaborate troll though? :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 10:09 GMT
#266
Well at least we got some interesting content into the thread recently
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 10:13 GMT
#272
On January 14 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2016 19:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 14 2016 18:47 Palmar wrote:
On January 14 2016 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 14 2016 18:23 Xatalos wrote:
On January 14 2016 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so you were talking about Trfel and DYH there. I somehow thought you were talking about ritoky.

I disagree with you. I don't think it's likely at all ritoky does that as mafia.


Could you explain? I don't really follow either of those points :/ Sadly.

I don't see why ritoky:
1).."makes enemies" with two townies
2)..does call his scumbuddy scum (yes he puts suspicion on DYH because if he is just gonna claim 100% associative read that's retarded and bullshit 100%)

..when he can just.. not to do that.

This is pointless and frankly just wrong defense.

clearly rayn is pushing an agenda here.

And this is just straight out bullshit Palmar. If you are gonna claim this is "wrong" then point out why it is wrong and why me making "wrong conclusion" is scummy. You are just saying shit without any substance.

I have explained it rayn, you're just barely reading the thread so you don't notice. You're making an associative read based on your own misrepresentation. If ritoky is not mafia, then this is not the reason he is not mafia.


Well I guess it's true that that's a pretty weak reason to townread ritoky... Is it still clearly an "agenda"? Would he stubbornly defend either his teammate or some random townie for no real benefit?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 10:17 GMT
#278
At least Palmar's posts are entertaining to read
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 10:18 GMT
#279
On January 14 2016 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2016 19:13 Xatalos wrote:
On January 14 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:
On January 14 2016 19:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 14 2016 18:47 Palmar wrote:
On January 14 2016 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 14 2016 18:23 Xatalos wrote:
On January 14 2016 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so you were talking about Trfel and DYH there. I somehow thought you were talking about ritoky.

I disagree with you. I don't think it's likely at all ritoky does that as mafia.


Could you explain? I don't really follow either of those points :/ Sadly.

I don't see why ritoky:
1).."makes enemies" with two townies
2)..does call his scumbuddy scum (yes he puts suspicion on DYH because if he is just gonna claim 100% associative read that's retarded and bullshit 100%)

..when he can just.. not to do that.

This is pointless and frankly just wrong defense.

clearly rayn is pushing an agenda here.

And this is just straight out bullshit Palmar. If you are gonna claim this is "wrong" then point out why it is wrong and why me making "wrong conclusion" is scummy. You are just saying shit without any substance.

I have explained it rayn, you're just barely reading the thread so you don't notice. You're making an associative read based on your own misrepresentation. If ritoky is not mafia, then this is not the reason he is not mafia.


Well I guess it's true that that's a pretty weak reason to townread ritoky... Is it still clearly an "agenda"? Would he stubbornly defend either his teammate or some random townie for no real benefit?

No it isn't a weak reason. It's almost the same fucking reason i figured out Damdred was town in the last game, it stands true almost always. Because if ritoky is scum that is just bad scumplay.


I don't think that's necessarily the case... Like I explained, there are reasons why it would benefit him to say that in either case.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 10:18 GMT
#280
(as scum)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 10:22 GMT
#283
Do you really think Palmar is scum, rayn? Or did you just vote "out of spite"? haha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 10:29 GMT
#290
Maybe ritoky is just town? Dunno. At least there seems to be a thought process in there.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 10:30 GMT
#291
I think so... Yeah. ritoky seems sensible.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 10:33 GMT
#293
Aren't you a bit too sure about rayn, Palmar? I don't think you can be that sure based on that evidence.

Dunno how rayn is so sure about Palmar being scum either.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 10:50 GMT
#301
Well... Probably both rayn and Palmar aren't scum. They could still both be town, I guess.

What got me thinking about Palmar a bit is how he similarly made a sudden push on sandroba here (as scum): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=54#1077 It didn't seem to make any sense there either as scum. So I guess it's not impossible he could try something similar here? It feels so stupid though... Bringing so much attention to himself. In that game many of the scumteam were in a tough spot already, so it made at least SOME sense as a distraction, but... Here? It seems even more stupid. Unless the scumteam was somehow in dire straits, which shouldn't be the case when nobody is even really being voted or anything...

As for rayn, it slightly disturbs me how he seems to come to conclusions with a somewhat flimsy basis. Like the ritoky townread (IMO), or the Palmar scumread... Although that makes a bit more sense, I guess, since it's true that Palmar misrepresented some things (like the point about rayn's comment on my post). I'd rather not talk about my heuristic for now, but I'll just say that its result is uncertain for now.

In conclusion: ??? :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 10:52 GMT
#302
What was the double misrepresentation thing even about really?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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