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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 08:51 GMT
#178
By the way, rayn, my heuristic isn't showing good signs with you so far. Then again, it's an unproven heuristic
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 08:55 GMT
#180
Hehe
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 08:56 GMT
#181
One thing I wonder about is HF's ninja vote.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 08:59 GMT
#183
On January 14 2016 17:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE could you elaborate on the thought process on your first three posts? You basically read the thread in a.... non-chronological order, yes?


I am not sure i can see where ritoky is coming from with his Trfel read. However i personally think this looks like Trfel's townplay for the simple reason that he focuses on finding townreads instead of scumreads -- i looked the last scumgame ritoky referred to (at least i think it was that game?) and what Trfel did there was, yes, aggressive, but it was basically a case on VE. I don't think Trfel's meta is that black and white (aggressive = mafia, which, unless i am mistaken ritoky is suggesting here). The last time i personally played with Trfel (when he was scum) he didn't play like in the game ritoky pointed out at all..

He seems to be the most involved person to get the game going and actually scumhunt, and that's why i think he is town. I don't even think "aggressive" is the right word here, "involved" would be more fitting. So yeah, Trfel is town.

ritoky please, elaborate this. I also think the associative read on DYH is... meh..


I don't think there is much anything to say about other people.

I think DYH's play is perfectly in range of his scumplay, and he hasn't really.. contributed much aside the Trfel read. Judging from his last coach QT he is a pretty good scumplayer and aware of his "meta" so i don't think Trfel's read is necessarily correct here, i just think the read tells more about Trfel than it does from DYH.

Ace, one thing. I know your scumplay looks pretty much like your townplay because you like... ugh.. how to put it.. don't necessarily care about "how you look". I mean you don't take part in discussions you find "not relevant" but i have to disagree here with you; It's also the reason you look "scummy" when you are town, people get paranoid because they thing you are withholding information (like already seen to be said in this game).

I don't think Cephiro's and Alot's posting makes them anything yet.


Btw yeah, I forgot to mention this one. It really doesn't make much sense that scum would name their teammate as their first townread. It makes even less sense to suspect them as a scumteam just because of that happening. Rather it should be the opposite, usually.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 08:59 GMT
#184
On January 14 2016 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2016 17:56 Xatalos wrote:
One thing I wonder about is HF's ninja vote.

says the dude who ninja-voted twice..
lastly on his null-read.


"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:01 GMT
#185
To be fair, I voted you just because of Palmar's funny post. And I voted for Ace because he seemed the least willing to put forth any useful effort. Maybe some votes could pressure him into doing stuff. If not, well... There could be worse lynches.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:04 GMT
#188
On January 14 2016 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2016 17:59 Xatalos wrote:
On January 14 2016 17:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE could you elaborate on the thought process on your first three posts? You basically read the thread in a.... non-chronological order, yes?


I am not sure i can see where ritoky is coming from with his Trfel read. However i personally think this looks like Trfel's townplay for the simple reason that he focuses on finding townreads instead of scumreads -- i looked the last scumgame ritoky referred to (at least i think it was that game?) and what Trfel did there was, yes, aggressive, but it was basically a case on VE. I don't think Trfel's meta is that black and white (aggressive = mafia, which, unless i am mistaken ritoky is suggesting here). The last time i personally played with Trfel (when he was scum) he didn't play like in the game ritoky pointed out at all..

He seems to be the most involved person to get the game going and actually scumhunt, and that's why i think he is town. I don't even think "aggressive" is the right word here, "involved" would be more fitting. So yeah, Trfel is town.

ritoky please, elaborate this. I also think the associative read on DYH is... meh..


I don't think there is much anything to say about other people.

I think DYH's play is perfectly in range of his scumplay, and he hasn't really.. contributed much aside the Trfel read. Judging from his last coach QT he is a pretty good scumplayer and aware of his "meta" so i don't think Trfel's read is necessarily correct here, i just think the read tells more about Trfel than it does from DYH.

Ace, one thing. I know your scumplay looks pretty much like your townplay because you like... ugh.. how to put it.. don't necessarily care about "how you look". I mean you don't take part in discussions you find "not relevant" but i have to disagree here with you; It's also the reason you look "scummy" when you are town, people get paranoid because they thing you are withholding information (like already seen to be said in this game).

I don't think Cephiro's and Alot's posting makes them anything yet.


Btw yeah, I forgot to mention this one. It really doesn't make much sense that scum would name their teammate as their first townread. It makes even less sense to suspect them as a scumteam just because of that happening. Rather it should be the opposite, usually.

What? I don't understand anything you say here.


Referring to ritoky's post where he made the unflipped association case (and for a reason that wouldn't make it good even if it was flipped).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:05 GMT
#189
On January 14 2016 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2016 18:01 Xatalos wrote:
To be fair, I voted you just because of Palmar's funny post. And I voted for Ace because he seemed the least willing to put forth any useful effort. Maybe some votes could pressure him into doing stuff. If not, well... There could be worse lynches.

this too.
Ace seems to be putting in effort but you are voting for him so he would put in effort?


Hm? I said the opposite?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:06 GMT
#193
On January 14 2016 14:14 ritoky wrote:
for myself for later: if trfel ever flips mafia, lynch dyh

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:08 GMT
#196
On January 14 2016 13:42 DoYouHas wrote:
Scumlean ritoky, townlean trfel

ritoky's scumlean on trfel doesn't make much sense. He is ignoring trfel's townread on me post, which is trfel's meatiest one so far, which should put him outside of the column of players that "try to be funny, fit in, sound natural, or do nothing". He finds trfel's pushing questioning of him a townie thing, but frames it as either null or scummy because it isn't outside of what trfel could do as scum. Basically has argued trfel to a null unless i'm reading him wrong. So the only reason I see to mafia-lean trfel would be a gut read. But if it is a gut read, that is a lot of explanation. It would make more sense for rito to be scumleaning someone in his do nothing category since the contrast against that category is what makes cephiro town in his eyes.

Trfel is engaging multiple people, generating content, and pressing for answers.


That was after this post I think.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:09 GMT
#198
On January 14 2016 14:08 DoYouHas wrote:
I don't see this aggressiveness you are describing. He joked around, gave a townread on me, and has been questioning people and defending against you. Are you basing this on his initial satirical case on me?


Actually this post was in between.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:10 GMT
#199
On January 14 2016 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ahh okay.. now i see what you mean..
hmm.. it actually makes sense.
Maybe ritoky is town too.


How did you come to ritoky is town btw? I was really just saying that ritoky's post didn't make much sense...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:19 GMT
#202
Well, I think there's a decent potential scum motivation though. If one of them is scum and lynched, you have an excuse to go for the other one. If they're both town, you can just push them together for that reasoning. If one flips town, you lose credibility, too bad, but it's good just to have an excuse to go for them both like that?

I was just saying that ritoky's association between them didn't make sense because the scumteam rarely hard townread/defend each other right at the start.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:21 GMT
#204
If there's anything to be said for sure out of this, it's that the scumteam is definitely not Trfel+ritoky+DYH haha...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:23 GMT
#205
On January 14 2016 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so you were talking about Trfel and DYH there. I somehow thought you were talking about ritoky.

I disagree with you. I don't think it's likely at all ritoky does that as mafia.


Could you explain? I don't really follow either of those points :/ Sadly.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:23 GMT
#206
Well, the earlier part of your post isn't really important.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:29 GMT
#209
To be fair I think it was just an associative read though? And it's not like there weren't any benefits to be had by saying that as scum... Like I mentioned in my previous post... The question becomes, is it better to stay silent or say that as scum? I don't think the answer is clear.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:37 GMT
#213
I guess so...

VE: I also didn't really like the things ritoky was pushing. It was just the way he posted that made me think he could be town after all. He was so bold and didn't really seem to care what others thought of him. Fits better with a town mindset.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:42 GMT
#216
On January 14 2016 18:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE i don't think that explains what i am asking.
I am talking about this set of posts you made:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 14 2016 10:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On January 14 2016 09:13 Trfel wrote:
DoYouHas is Mafia

First three posts. I (Trfel) post, then raynpelikoneet posts, then DoYouHas posts.
On January 14 2016 09:02 DoYouHas wrote:
Howdy rayn,

I rolled town, how about you?
Why does he only care about raynpelikoneet?

There is no town motivation for this post, because as town, DoYouHas needs to figure out the alignment of everyone else in the game. This post is filled with mafia motivation, as it is a clear attempt to buddy with raynpelikoneet.
On January 14 2016 09:04 DoYouHas wrote:
Gotta say, it was a bit of a relief. Rolling scum after spending all last newbie game explaining exactly how I like to play as mafia to a bunch of people had me worried.
And then he responds with self meta, completely unprompted? He's completely ignoring the rest of the thread, and doesn't even care about raynpelikoneet's response.

One down, two to go

This is......................not enough for me. I want alot more substance.

On January 14 2016 10:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On January 14 2016 09:46 Palmar wrote:
so who's on board with lynching rayn just to piss him off because he spent time sending out invites and gathering people to play a "good" game?

It's such a dick move I love it.

Do you think he's mafia?

On January 14 2016 10:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On January 14 2016 09:35 Trfel wrote:
DoYouHas is town

DoYouHas' posting has felt very relaxed and natural this game, while at the same time being eager to start finding mafia. Both of these make me feel that DoYouHas is town, especially combined.

Example of his relaxed tone:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 14 2016 09:04 DoYouHas wrote:
Gotta say, it was a bit of a relief. Rolling scum after spending all last newbie game explaining exactly how I like to play as mafia to a bunch of people had me worried.

Example of being eager to have the game move forward:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 14 2016 09:09 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2016 09:06 Trfel wrote:
On January 14 2016 09:04 DoYouHas wrote:
Gotta say, it was a bit of a relief. Rolling scum after spending all last newbie game explaining exactly how I like to play as mafia to a bunch of people had me worried.
Glad to know that I can put you out of your misery


Bring it on, we need a little friction to get this thread moving.
On January 14 2016 09:11 DoYouHas wrote:
Do you have experience with people claiming town on their first post being untrustworthy? Or maybe you were offended that I talked to rayn when you were the first post?


And yes, this time I'm serious.

I need to head out now. I might be back later this evening, but I may not be back until tomorrow morning.

wtf -.-

Fine I'll read the whole thread and THEN post.

Now i am assuming you read the thread and however much (or few) attention you paid to the thread at that time you commented on posts you found interesting. So first is the Trfel's "scumread" on DYH. The problem i have here is that Palmar's post you quoted happened after the Trfel's townread post on DYH.

Now it is natural that you comment on it, and it makes sense, what doesn't make sense is why you skip that post at first and comment on Palmar's post - - and only then come back to comment on it?


Is that really even suspicious? I often comment first on something that I found most interesting or urgent, then come back to some earlier post.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 14 2016 09:44 GMT
#219
On January 14 2016 18:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2016 18:37 Xatalos wrote:
I guess so...

VE: I also didn't really like the things ritoky was pushing. It was just the way he posted that made me think he could be town after all. He was so bold and didn't really seem to care what others thought of him. Fits better with a town mindset.

This describes ritoky as either alignment as far as I'm aware.


Really? Hm...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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