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Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 19 2016 01:52 GMT
#1401
And I use interesting lightly, I think he's town and it's not particularly daring a read.

But it's the most interesting thing there... gotta work with what ya got... so why?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 19 2016 06:23 GMT
#1402
Meh I'm going deep again.

Scott is town. It's 100% WIFOM when he says that he would have conceded during the night while everyone was saying he was the next day's lynch, but I completely believe it anyway. His posting has been very schizophrenic this game to me -- spurts of activity out of nowhere, lots of half-completed analysis and questions without follow-up, then dropping off for a while and not doing anything -- and on the surface it looks like a mafia that's making a token effort to be involved but not really invested in the game. I'd think in that scenario he would concede during N3.

IDK if Scott is the type of player that would make the town prove they have the win locked up or not, but his play this game doesn't speak to the kind of work ethic that typically accompanies that mentality from scum.

So the fact that we're even here makes me think he's most likely town. Could be he just decided he wasn't going to phone it in -- the argument is 100% WIFOM but I'm making it anyway cuz sometimes you just get that read and ya gotta go for it.


I reread mderg's filter and his interaction with kush (and kush's push on him) is also a bit too sincere to believe that it came from kush's partner. Like I'm trying to imagine those two planning it out in the QT and it doesn't flow right with how they're talking to each other. I'm bad at articulating this point, but just go read their brief interaction there during n1(?) when kush says mderg looks kinda scummy and you'll (hopefully) see it. It's too natural to be set up beforehand, but kush does it so abruptly (in respect to the thread direction) that it doesn't look like something you just spontaneously do as mafia, either. The only way I see it happening is if kush just up and decided to case his partner without saying anything, which I guess I could see kush doing, but I just don't.



On January 15 2016 11:16 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Screwit if you guys want to lynch noon let's lynch noon I feel like I've been defending him all game and I don't even remember why


GGTemplar, why did you make this post and lynch noon?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 19 2016 09:36 GMT
#1403
Looking at the VCA, Sloosh might have died first because he voted for darthfoley on the day we lycnhed Tube? I feel like they went for the Hail Mary play and hoped somebody of them would get greenchecked, probably kush himself, knowing how disappointed he was in the thread that I was checked.. lol....

Or is it bold wifom by mafia to kill Sloosh there?


Did mafia had such a strong player that they hoped on a greencheck on their weaker player? (aka Kush)
Was mafia so cornered they went for an ambitious play? Kill suspicion of them and pray for greencheck?


I would go for the last option tbh. Why would mafia risk a redcheck on a strong player?
I had a good night of sleep.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 19 2016 09:43 GMT
#1404
On January 19 2016 08:06 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 07:50 mderg wrote:
On January 19 2016 07:37 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 19 2016 07:01 mderg wrote:
noon's filter tells me it's one of eden/scott/darth

I don't think it's eden, so most likely scott or darth. scott would really fit into the flow of the game, so I'm sticking with him for now.

explain like any of this


You come to mind because of this:
On January 12 2016 21:25 nooniansoong wrote:
Scumteam Eden mderg for post game bragging rights though

When scum give names like that I feel like there's often a buddy in them. There's also not much interaction between you two in this game. You appear to want to solve the game, though. So I don't think you're scum.

Show nested quote +
Scumteam Eden mderg

Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 04:15 nooniansoong wrote:
scumteam is between eden/scott/vayne/mderg

[image loading]


Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 07:50 mderg wrote:darth because of this:
On January 13 2016 03:46 nooniansoong wrote:
Defense of darthfoley:
First thing is his first game and he uses a lot of reasoning and explains his thought process in a way that I wouldn't expect a first game player to even come close to faking. Yes, a lot of his arguments are bad (scumread on koshi for starting discussion), but I think bad arguments like that commonly come from noobs.

Changing your read a lot day 1 strikes me as a very townie thing to do. Scum pick a suspect then go with it. His reads show he is thinking about things and changing his mind based on the arguments people are presenting.

And he mentioned boxerfred only because he was asked about him.

Mostly because he writes "Defense of darthfoley" which does not sound natural at all. I think he defended darth for quite some time.

You think he did.
Well... did he?
And why does that matter? You can go look at the very beginning of kush's filter and see him address like five straight townies and then start defending giygas too. Giygas flipped cop.

Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 07:50 mderg wrote:
I think there's been enough said about scott. He would fit in perfectly into the theme that scum had absolutely no control of any lynch whatsoever this game. That's why I'm going with him.

Let's have fun and assume I had a greencheck on scott and just revealed it right now. What do you do then?

good job bolding my name there, well done. He tried to pressure me several times over the course of the game, while he barely mentioned you at all. I'd say that's quite a difference.

Seriously?
I don't seem to remember him writing "Defense of Giygas" though. His defence of darthfoley was much more committed than the other defenses.

I'd lynch the fuck out of you because the cop has already flipped. That potential scenario doesn't make sense at all.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 19 2016 09:47 GMT
#1405
On January 19 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
The biggest mistakes he made are his really fake scumreads. Which all boil down on things people do that are odd. But never really scummy. It's never clever.

That's exactly what I meant D1 with my initial scumread on him.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 19 2016 10:11 GMT
#1406
Vote Count

darthfoley (4): VayneAuthority, Koshi, GGTeMpLaR, Eden1892
scott31337 (2):, mderg, darthfoley
Mderg (1): scott31337


Currently, darthfoley is being lynched. You have until Tuesday, Jan 19 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 19 2016 10:13 GMT
#1407
On January 19 2016 18:43 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 08:06 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 19 2016 07:50 mderg wrote:
On January 19 2016 07:37 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 19 2016 07:01 mderg wrote:
noon's filter tells me it's one of eden/scott/darth

I don't think it's eden, so most likely scott or darth. scott would really fit into the flow of the game, so I'm sticking with him for now.

explain like any of this


You come to mind because of this:
On January 12 2016 21:25 nooniansoong wrote:
Scumteam Eden mderg for post game bragging rights though

When scum give names like that I feel like there's often a buddy in them. There's also not much interaction between you two in this game. You appear to want to solve the game, though. So I don't think you're scum.

Scumteam Eden mderg

On January 13 2016 04:15 nooniansoong wrote:
scumteam is between eden/scott/vayne/mderg

[image loading]


On January 19 2016 07:50 mderg wrote:darth because of this:
On January 13 2016 03:46 nooniansoong wrote:
Defense of darthfoley:
First thing is his first game and he uses a lot of reasoning and explains his thought process in a way that I wouldn't expect a first game player to even come close to faking. Yes, a lot of his arguments are bad (scumread on koshi for starting discussion), but I think bad arguments like that commonly come from noobs.

Changing your read a lot day 1 strikes me as a very townie thing to do. Scum pick a suspect then go with it. His reads show he is thinking about things and changing his mind based on the arguments people are presenting.

And he mentioned boxerfred only because he was asked about him.

Mostly because he writes "Defense of darthfoley" which does not sound natural at all. I think he defended darth for quite some time.

You think he did.
Well... did he?
And why does that matter? You can go look at the very beginning of kush's filter and see him address like five straight townies and then start defending giygas too. Giygas flipped cop.

On January 19 2016 07:50 mderg wrote:
I think there's been enough said about scott. He would fit in perfectly into the theme that scum had absolutely no control of any lynch whatsoever this game. That's why I'm going with him.

Let's have fun and assume I had a greencheck on scott and just revealed it right now. What do you do then?

good job bolding my name there, well done. He tried to pressure me several times over the course of the game, while he barely mentioned you at all. I'd say that's quite a difference.

Seriously?
I don't seem to remember him writing "Defense of Giygas" though. His defence of darthfoley was much more committed than the other defenses.

I'd lynch the fuck out of you because the cop has already flipped. That potential scenario doesn't make sense at all.

What do you mean with the bolded?
I had a good night of sleep.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 19 2016 10:22 GMT
#1408
On January 19 2016 19:13 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 18:43 mderg wrote:
On January 19 2016 08:06 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 19 2016 07:50 mderg wrote:
On January 19 2016 07:37 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 19 2016 07:01 mderg wrote:
noon's filter tells me it's one of eden/scott/darth

I don't think it's eden, so most likely scott or darth. scott would really fit into the flow of the game, so I'm sticking with him for now.

explain like any of this


You come to mind because of this:
On January 12 2016 21:25 nooniansoong wrote:
Scumteam Eden mderg for post game bragging rights though

When scum give names like that I feel like there's often a buddy in them. There's also not much interaction between you two in this game. You appear to want to solve the game, though. So I don't think you're scum.

Scumteam Eden mderg

On January 13 2016 04:15 nooniansoong wrote:
scumteam is between eden/scott/vayne/mderg

[image loading]


On January 19 2016 07:50 mderg wrote:darth because of this:
On January 13 2016 03:46 nooniansoong wrote:
Defense of darthfoley:
First thing is his first game and he uses a lot of reasoning and explains his thought process in a way that I wouldn't expect a first game player to even come close to faking. Yes, a lot of his arguments are bad (scumread on koshi for starting discussion), but I think bad arguments like that commonly come from noobs.

Changing your read a lot day 1 strikes me as a very townie thing to do. Scum pick a suspect then go with it. His reads show he is thinking about things and changing his mind based on the arguments people are presenting.

And he mentioned boxerfred only because he was asked about him.

Mostly because he writes "Defense of darthfoley" which does not sound natural at all. I think he defended darth for quite some time.

You think he did.
Well... did he?
And why does that matter? You can go look at the very beginning of kush's filter and see him address like five straight townies and then start defending giygas too. Giygas flipped cop.

On January 19 2016 07:50 mderg wrote:
I think there's been enough said about scott. He would fit in perfectly into the theme that scum had absolutely no control of any lynch whatsoever this game. That's why I'm going with him.

Let's have fun and assume I had a greencheck on scott and just revealed it right now. What do you do then?

good job bolding my name there, well done. He tried to pressure me several times over the course of the game, while he barely mentioned you at all. I'd say that's quite a difference.

Seriously?
I don't seem to remember him writing "Defense of Giygas" though. His defence of darthfoley was much more committed than the other defenses.

I'd lynch the fuck out of you because the cop has already flipped. That potential scenario doesn't make sense at all.

What do you mean with the bolded?

Well, he provided a scenario where he has a greencheck on scott and reveals it now. It simply doesn't make any sense. In that potential scenario the whole game would have been different.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 19 2016 10:35 GMT
#1409
On January 19 2016 19:22 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 19:13 Koshi wrote:
On January 19 2016 18:43 mderg wrote:
On January 19 2016 08:06 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 19 2016 07:50 mderg wrote:
On January 19 2016 07:37 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 19 2016 07:01 mderg wrote:
noon's filter tells me it's one of eden/scott/darth

I don't think it's eden, so most likely scott or darth. scott would really fit into the flow of the game, so I'm sticking with him for now.

explain like any of this


You come to mind because of this:
On January 12 2016 21:25 nooniansoong wrote:
Scumteam Eden mderg for post game bragging rights though

When scum give names like that I feel like there's often a buddy in them. There's also not much interaction between you two in this game. You appear to want to solve the game, though. So I don't think you're scum.

Scumteam Eden mderg

On January 13 2016 04:15 nooniansoong wrote:
scumteam is between eden/scott/vayne/mderg

[image loading]


On January 19 2016 07:50 mderg wrote:darth because of this:
On January 13 2016 03:46 nooniansoong wrote:
Defense of darthfoley:
First thing is his first game and he uses a lot of reasoning and explains his thought process in a way that I wouldn't expect a first game player to even come close to faking. Yes, a lot of his arguments are bad (scumread on koshi for starting discussion), but I think bad arguments like that commonly come from noobs.

Changing your read a lot day 1 strikes me as a very townie thing to do. Scum pick a suspect then go with it. His reads show he is thinking about things and changing his mind based on the arguments people are presenting.

And he mentioned boxerfred only because he was asked about him.

Mostly because he writes "Defense of darthfoley" which does not sound natural at all. I think he defended darth for quite some time.

You think he did.
Well... did he?
And why does that matter? You can go look at the very beginning of kush's filter and see him address like five straight townies and then start defending giygas too. Giygas flipped cop.

On January 19 2016 07:50 mderg wrote:
I think there's been enough said about scott. He would fit in perfectly into the theme that scum had absolutely no control of any lynch whatsoever this game. That's why I'm going with him.

Let's have fun and assume I had a greencheck on scott and just revealed it right now. What do you do then?

good job bolding my name there, well done. He tried to pressure me several times over the course of the game, while he barely mentioned you at all. I'd say that's quite a difference.

Seriously?
I don't seem to remember him writing "Defense of Giygas" though. His defence of darthfoley was much more committed than the other defenses.

I'd lynch the fuck out of you because the cop has already flipped. That potential scenario doesn't make sense at all.

What do you mean with the bolded?

Well, he provided a scenario where he has a greencheck on scott and reveals it now. It simply doesn't make any sense. In that potential scenario the whole game would have been different.

Oh yeah I understand. I forgot about that line due it being so dumb.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 19 2016 10:36 GMT
#1410
I understand what Eden wanted to do though, but it was meh.
I had a good night of sleep.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 19 2016 10:43 GMT
#1411
On January 19 2016 15:23 Eden1892 wrote:
Meh I'm going deep again.

Scott is town. It's 100% WIFOM when he says that he would have conceded during the night while everyone was saying he was the next day's lynch, but I completely believe it anyway. His posting has been very schizophrenic this game to me -- spurts of activity out of nowhere, lots of half-completed analysis and questions without follow-up, then dropping off for a while and not doing anything -- and on the surface it looks like a mafia that's making a token effort to be involved but not really invested in the game. I'd think in that scenario he would concede during N3.

IDK if Scott is the type of player that would make the town prove they have the win locked up or not, but his play this game doesn't speak to the kind of work ethic that typically accompanies that mentality from scum.

So the fact that we're even here makes me think he's most likely town. Could be he just decided he wasn't going to phone it in -- the argument is 100% WIFOM but I'm making it anyway cuz sometimes you just get that read and ya gotta go for it.


I reread mderg's filter and his interaction with kush (and kush's push on him) is also a bit too sincere to believe that it came from kush's partner. Like I'm trying to imagine those two planning it out in the QT and it doesn't flow right with how they're talking to each other. I'm bad at articulating this point, but just go read their brief interaction there during n1(?) when kush says mderg looks kinda scummy and you'll (hopefully) see it. It's too natural to be set up beforehand, but kush does it so abruptly (in respect to the thread direction) that it doesn't look like something you just spontaneously do as mafia, either. The only way I see it happening is if kush just up and decided to case his partner without saying anything, which I guess I could see kush doing, but I just don't.



Show nested quote +
On January 15 2016 11:16 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Screwit if you guys want to lynch noon let's lynch noon I feel like I've been defending him all game and I don't even remember why


GGTemplar, why did you make this post and lynch noon?


He started trolling so I stopped defending him.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 19 2016 10:46 GMT
#1412
Rayn flipping town was really certain he was mafia.

I wasn't sure he was town.

Lots of people wanted to kill him.

He stopped trying to defend himself

Why not?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 19 2016 11:08 GMT
#1413
If it makes you feel better he probably would have fought harder if someone like Koshi/Eden/Myself was mafia as his chances of winning were still good were that the case.

This game is very straight forward I believe.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 19 2016 11:49 GMT
#1414
On January 19 2016 20:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
If it makes you feel better he probably would have fought harder if someone like Koshi/Eden/Myself was mafia as his chances of winning were still good were that the case.

This game is very straight forward I believe.

Sure, till it is 2 vs 1 lylo and paranoia runs rampant.
I had a good night of sleep.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 19 2016 16:51 GMT
#1415
On January 19 2016 19:22 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 19:13 Koshi wrote:
On January 19 2016 18:43 mderg wrote:
On January 19 2016 08:06 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 19 2016 07:50 mderg wrote:
On January 19 2016 07:37 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 19 2016 07:01 mderg wrote:
noon's filter tells me it's one of eden/scott/darth

I don't think it's eden, so most likely scott or darth. scott would really fit into the flow of the game, so I'm sticking with him for now.

explain like any of this


You come to mind because of this:
On January 12 2016 21:25 nooniansoong wrote:
Scumteam Eden mderg for post game bragging rights though

When scum give names like that I feel like there's often a buddy in them. There's also not much interaction between you two in this game. You appear to want to solve the game, though. So I don't think you're scum.

Scumteam Eden mderg

On January 13 2016 04:15 nooniansoong wrote:
scumteam is between eden/scott/vayne/mderg

[image loading]


On January 19 2016 07:50 mderg wrote:darth because of this:
On January 13 2016 03:46 nooniansoong wrote:
Defense of darthfoley:
First thing is his first game and he uses a lot of reasoning and explains his thought process in a way that I wouldn't expect a first game player to even come close to faking. Yes, a lot of his arguments are bad (scumread on koshi for starting discussion), but I think bad arguments like that commonly come from noobs.

Changing your read a lot day 1 strikes me as a very townie thing to do. Scum pick a suspect then go with it. His reads show he is thinking about things and changing his mind based on the arguments people are presenting.

And he mentioned boxerfred only because he was asked about him.

Mostly because he writes "Defense of darthfoley" which does not sound natural at all. I think he defended darth for quite some time.

You think he did.
Well... did he?
And why does that matter? You can go look at the very beginning of kush's filter and see him address like five straight townies and then start defending giygas too. Giygas flipped cop.

On January 19 2016 07:50 mderg wrote:
I think there's been enough said about scott. He would fit in perfectly into the theme that scum had absolutely no control of any lynch whatsoever this game. That's why I'm going with him.

Let's have fun and assume I had a greencheck on scott and just revealed it right now. What do you do then?

good job bolding my name there, well done. He tried to pressure me several times over the course of the game, while he barely mentioned you at all. I'd say that's quite a difference.

Seriously?
I don't seem to remember him writing "Defense of Giygas" though. His defence of darthfoley was much more committed than the other defenses.

I'd lynch the fuck out of you because the cop has already flipped. That potential scenario doesn't make sense at all.

What do you mean with the bolded?

Well, he provided a scenario where he has a greencheck on scott and reveals it now. It simply doesn't make any sense. In that potential scenario the whole game would have been different.

You can't be this dumb.

Fine, the mod announces Scott is town. Whatever. Stop being an obtuse moron and tell me what your reads are then, because you haven't said anything of note for 2 days except that Scott is scum, and if that's not the case I start to think you're the last mafia
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 19 2016 19:08 GMT
#1416
His filter is pretty easy to read Eden...
I had a good night of sleep.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 19 2016 19:41 GMT
#1417
On January 19 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
All in all I think darthfoley his game has been a bit uninspiring. Not bold enough. Not enough dumb mistakes made due to being aggressive looking for mafia.

Obviously mderg/scott probably won't have those as well but they play a lot different than darthfoley. It looks like darthfoley could be really good but is hold back because of him being mafia?

Dnu.



I have already defended many of these points before previously in my filter. If you choose to read them and not believe me, it's fine, but most of this stuff is just drudged up points you're reusing.

I'm really not sure what you expect out of a first time player. I shouldn't be wishy washy, but I should have a filter littered with dumb mistakes. You tell me I should be bold, but if I suggest there's a chance you're mafia playing a very good game, you rage and tell me how stupid of a post that is. I shouldn't play the "i'm a noob" card often, but if I bring it up once or twice, I'm obviously just trying to get into people's heads.

The game is pretty straight forward now, so you'll be able to lynch me and still win in the next couple days no problem. I am just annoyed with the stupid qualifications and almost-contradictions you've sanctioned on me.

WIFOM but if I were mafia, I wouldn't have killed rayn N1. He was in my corner with a pretty hard town read, and I probably would've gone for you or GGTemplar, given how you've basically been confirmed town since the boxerfred vote.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 19 2016 19:42 GMT
#1418
I appreciate the compliment though
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 19 2016 19:48 GMT
#1419
On January 20 2016 04:41 darthfoley wrote:
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On January 19 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
All in all I think darthfoley his game has been a bit uninspiring. Not bold enough. Not enough dumb mistakes made due to being aggressive looking for mafia.

Obviously mderg/scott probably won't have those as well but they play a lot different than darthfoley. It looks like darthfoley could be really good but is hold back because of him being mafia?

Dnu.



I have already defended many of these points before previously in my filter. If you choose to read them and not believe me, it's fine, but most of this stuff is just drudged up points you're reusing.

I'm really not sure what you expect out of a first time player. I shouldn't be wishy washy, but I should have a filter littered with dumb mistakes. You tell me I should be bold, but if I suggest there's a chance you're mafia playing a very good game, you rage and tell me how stupid of a post that is. I shouldn't play the "i'm a noob" card often, but if I bring it up once or twice, I'm obviously just trying to get into people's heads.

The game is pretty straight forward now, so you'll be able to lynch me and still win in the next couple days no problem. I am just annoyed with the stupid qualifications and almost-contradictions you've sanctioned on me.

WIFOM but if I were mafia, I wouldn't have killed rayn N1. He was in my corner with a pretty hard town read, and I probably would've gone for you or GGTemplar, given how you've basically been confirmed town since the boxerfred vote.

Hmm. My explanation is somewhat hard to understand. But with dumb mistakes I meant "mistakes that come from a scumhunting mindset", in this game you really didn't make any "mistakes". The only ones would be you be wrong on a lynchtarget. Like when you said boxerfred was town, or the case on me, or the case on Tubesock, etc etc. They were just wrong but not impressive wrong. Like... You were wrong about who to lynch, but your reasoning was totally solid. In this game you were wrong on who to lynch and your reasoning was really shifty.

And then there are some other points I brought up. Like why did you go VA-->Tubesock--->VA---->Tubesock. Imo the case from VA on you might be the real reason.

Or why did you suddenly bring up Kush, and then add the real afker out there as well? I see (new) mafia make that mistake. Put some pressure on their own team out of nowhere, and then add another person as well to not only put their partner in the spotlight.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 19 2016 19:49 GMT
#1420
Also, it is not a compliment when you are town sadly. Then you are just inexperienced.

proof is in your filter.
I had a good night of sleep.
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