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So the way I see it is - if we don't lynch the red-check (which all the vet's in my mind are telling me you would) - he will always be doubtful - Look at Holyflare in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?user=Holyflare - Unless Tubesock just completely dumps some major town rainbows, he's more of a liability that can bite us later.
If our conf's have a better plan - I'm willing to listen. I'm still three pages behind.
Meeting time - bbl.
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On January 13 2016 10:02 Koshi wrote:
Fucking waste of a day.
- redcheck we can't trust and are forced to lynch
- a person getting lynched making cases on confirmed town by setup. Literally not doing anything else.
- some guy rehearsing things that happened. If nothing happened around a person he calls them town, if a person lynches mafia and ias almost impossible mafia he calls them, wait for it, mafia. of course.
- VA, who is awesome but untrustable.
- Scott
- Some guy who can't read the OP, and probably will get misslynched.
- Top tier player who is trash
- Mderg who is lost somewhere, I am not sure if I should alert the cops.
Brilliant. At least we had D1.
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On January 13 2016 04:05 nooniansoong wrote:
tubesock why are you trying so hard with your megaposts at the same time as saying "please lynch me".
whats your motivation here?
On January 13 2016 04:08 slOosh wrote:I'd be more comfortable lynching something like this than Tubesock Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 01:57 scott31337 wrote:So the way I see it is - if we don't lynch the red-check (which all the vet's in my mind are telling me you would) - he will always be doubtful - Look at Holyflare in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?user=Holyflare - Unless Tubesock just completely dumps some major town rainbows, he's more of a liability that can bite us later. If our conf's have a better plan - I'm willing to listen. I'm still three pages behind. Meeting time - bbl.
Your conf town which upsets me, that you have nothing behind it but "I'd lynch him instead" - I'll flip VT. I don't spam the fucking thread like the others do, I observe, post my thoughts, and go with it - You should find another. Did you even read what I said? What's the mafia motivation? To lynch our red-check? Did you even read the game? I've obs'ed games for almost two years.
On January 13 2016 04:33 Koshi wrote:
I am going to let you guys play a bit.
<3
On January 13 2016 09:10 GiygaS wrote:
Can we get confirmation that farmer can target mafia to make it look like town?
Koshi didn't like this dumbtell but hated mine.
On January 13 2016 09:39 Koshi wrote:
darthfoley called me possible mafia. Awesome. Of course I am mafia on who mafia boxerfred showed face on with his fake as shit case, and then I ended up on boxerfred instead of any other guy I could have picked.
He even claims that if I am mafia, Tubesock is town, which is entirely the most retarded thing ever because if I am mafia bussing, I probably want to do that to save my more active buddy or w.e.
This is such a bullshit association to make. Insane. Just fucking insane. If I join rayn (which I super easily could have done) we would have lynched Kush. Or is he also my mafia buddy?
This is raging Koshi town - if he's not dead d4 - then you can worry.
I do believe he could be framed - who's the lynch then?
On January 13 2016 10:02 Koshi wrote:
Fucking waste of a day.
- redcheck we can't trust and are forced to lynch
- a person getting lynched making cases on confirmed town by setup. Literally not doing anything else.
- some guy rehearsing things that happened. If nothing happened around a person he calls them town, if a person lynches mafia and ias almost impossible mafia he calls them, wait for it, mafia. of course.
- VA, who is awesome but untrustable.
- Scott
- Some guy who can't read the OP, and probably will get misslynched.
- Top tier player who is trash
- Mderg who is lost somewhere, I am not sure if I should alert the cops.
Brilliant. At least we had D1.
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Giygas are you voting with your redcheck or not?
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On January 13 2016 03:46 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2016 05:58 VayneAuthority wrote:I will write my quick thoughts incase I am vigged, don't want to invest too much time obviously when its super possible ill just die. The most likely mafia I can deduct from voting analysis and a follow up of his filter is darthfoleyYou will see that Tubesock was most likely the mafia mislynch of choice, kinda sure he is town. When the 2nd vote drops onto boxerfred, tubesock is sitting at 3 votes. starting to get close. then darthfoley goes ahead and votes for tubesock to make it a comfortable 4-2. But what you can't account for as mafia is a last second large swing like that resulting in boxer's lynch. It is a very suspicious and well timed vote on his part. Follow that up with gems like this from his filter On January 10 2016 05:35 darthfoley wrote:
1) I think it's scummy to generate discussion and then pop out because it seems helpful, all while staying under the radar without much concrete reasoning.
2) At the time I made my post, I'm pretty sure VA had only thrown out one name in the whole thread: slOosh as scum read. boxerfred has been more holistic in his approach to Q&A to Koshi and others imo. I haven't looked through Tubesock's or any of the less active posters yet. See part 2, boxerfred literally has almost no filter besides 1 post. He hasn't looked through any of the less active posters but says boxerfred is a shining example of being holistic? Soft defense that you wouldn't technically even realize you are doing as a mafia partner. Now look through his voting pattern, he flip flops on me and tubesock at the slightest change of wind to try to appear as if he is mulling his options but really he doesnt care that either of us is lynched, they are both mislynches for him. Thread support was the only thing that ever swayed his opinion. Finally, this is more of tells for me instead of mafia play but his first page is a lot of feigning ignorance with mechanics of the game to generate filter and even tells us about stuff he is doing irl which I largely associate with mafia attempting to lighten mood/make them appear more likable. cya at deadline Maybe. Defense of darthfoley: First thing is his first game and he uses a lot of reasoning and explains his thought process in a way that I wouldn't expect a first game player to even come close to faking. Yes, a lot of his arguments are bad (scumread on Koshi for starting discussion), but I think bad arguments like that commonly come from noobs. Changing your read a lot day 1 strikes me as a very townie thing to do. Scum pick a suspect then go with it. His reads show he is thinking about things and changing his mind based on the arguments people are presenting. And he mentioned boxerfred only because he was asked about him. scumvayne: This is the level of try hard I would expect from scumvayne on d2: the minimum necessary to look townie. He does a simple vca which is NAI. and then he does a very surface reading of darthfoley's filter and misrepresents him to look scummy.
There's no VCA in the post - did you see mine? I do not see any "simple VCA" done - I did a whole lot more. Let's try again.
On January 11 2016 07:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Final Vote Count boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, KoshiTubesock (2): Giygas, darthfoley Giygas (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfredNot voted (1): Kmatt
Currently, boxerfred is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread.
I'm Kmatt - I'm town. If no one is fake-claiming (which should not be) - Where is your VCA you are speaking of?
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On January 10 2016 05:26 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 05:03 Eden1892 wrote:On January 10 2016 03:13 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 17:43 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2016 17:27 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 17:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
boo to yourself eden You do read what I say!  I am curious why you and slOosh seemed to just mutually drop your conversation about your divergent reads on GiygaS. Weren't you a little curious why slOosh could read the same thing you did and conclude the exact opposite thing about GiygaS's alignment? There is no reason for me to answer this before slOosh does. I will after that. I will just say that coming to opposite conclusion (which is btw pretty strong wording here -- since i literally stated my read is "tentative") and concluding that the other person makes sense are not mutually exclusive. They aren't exclusive, I just figured you might still be curious enough to ask. But you are right, I would much rather hear slOosh's answer on this first. On January 09 2016 17:29 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 17:20 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 16:51 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote:
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.
##Vote: Koshi What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you. Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne. For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant? I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of. A counterquestion. Why should Koshi be reluctant to back off? Just because he said he wouldn't lynch active players? Most pushes this early in day 1 don't lead to lynching the people being pushed. I would even go as far as to say that if your early pushes are engineered to lynch people, you're doing it wrong. The point of putting other players' feet to the fire early is to force them to make substantive statements about the game state. This is helpful regardless of whether the player is town or mafia, active or inactive, yada yada. I agree it's a bit bizarre that he pivoted over to noonian and doesn't post anything. Not leaving any reasons for it is, indeed unhelpful. But you said this: I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town. This sounds to me more like an indictment of his entire posting history, not just his admittedly bordering-on-useless "vote/push" post. You're not telling me that of all the posts Koshi has made this day, the whole body of work is unhelpful due to this one post at the end, are you? If you are, forgive me for finding it uncompelling. I think Koshi's been of at least moderate use in generating discussion. I think his pressure on slOosh was constructive, and I would certainly not call the body of work unhelpful. You're going to have to do better than just handwave the whole thing as unhelpful. Maybe cite something specific for me outside of the noonian vote? (Or if you have nothing else, then please elaborate as to why that invalidated the rest of his posting history this game.) Meh, i'm starting to see why there are newbie mafia games run lol. It was a bit too shallow to vote on Koshi given the circumstances. The more I think about it, the more I do see the utility of his grilling of Sloosh near the start. It's true that he doesn't have to back off a scum read, especially because as you said, lots of people get grilled day 1 and it doesn't necessarily mean it's aimed at a lynch. I was under the impression that Koshi actually scum reads Sloosh, although it's useful info either way. The more reflective I am of the Koshi v Sloosh dynamic, the more I realize that I can't let my frustration of being kind of clueless make me jump to hasty conclusions. At this point, I can't constructively add much until Koshi explains his Noon read imo. I don't understand what was shallow about voting Koshi there. If your takeaway from my questions was "you are wrong for voting Koshi," that takeaway isn't the one I intended to convey. The takeaway was "I don't understand why you are voting Koshi" -- and you're essentially telling me you don't have much to add to the discussion until Koshi explains his read. But... you still had a reason for saying that Koshi's posts were unhelpful. After all, unless you intend to tell me your statement that "The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town." was made up, something you read made you think this. I just want to know what that something is. The reasons I said that were because of the Noon vote, and because I thought he was really trying hard to sway rayne's townread on Sloosh in a way that seemed a bit suspicious. It wasn't that much to go on. Just woke up so i'll get up to date with the thread, but I wanted to make sure I responded to this Ok. So, you felt the Noonian vote and the attempt to sway ray's vote was suspicious. In what way(s) were they so? I don't care that you have decided Koshi isn't suspicious anymore, I just want to know why you felt he was so I may evaluate your alignment. Well if I were scum, I think it would make sense to get in the ear of someone who has basically been agreed to be town read, especially when he (rayne) has been leading a lot of the discussion. If you are being helpful to one of the "towniest town" people, you could be either helpful town or smart scum. I initially read it as a clever scum play. I've already explained why I found the Noonian vote suspicious: there was nothing concrete about it and seemed random because Noonian hadn't posted anything at that point. Also, thanks for the Named VT explanation
Reading your filter, this stuck out to me.
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On January 10 2016 20:05 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 19:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 10 2016 19:46 mderg wrote:On January 10 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote:##Vote: GiygaSOn January 10 2016 12:11 GiygaS wrote:I'm gonna ladder a bit and come back, but before I do ##Vote tubesockHis last posts townreads were really odd. Basically My list is (roughly from scummy to less scummy) tubesock: not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't + Show Spoiler [ Darthfoley's Tube Case] +On January 10 2016 10:08 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 04:37 Tubesock wrote:
@Eden - I did think the thread was heading in the towning people for too dumb to be mafia reasons. Also I posted to post. At the time there really wasn't anything I felt compelled to respond to.
Easy town reads
Reyn, Eden, SloOsh, Nooniansoong
GGtemplar I didn't like his first like 5 posts but he looks a lot better this morning.
Koshi while gives me some weird scuzzies I am not willing to lynch him.
Vayne I am not willing to lynch either. I like his tone.
the rest haven't said anything I found interesting or memorable.
I have to work today and have Christmas dinner tonight but after that I'll be in thread. This is Tubesock's only post of the day and I'm not a fan. Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum mderg: + Show Spoiler [ blah blah words] +says easy things that are easy to say. his darth case is the only real content he has and it doesn't feel very substantial. Feels like he went looking around for something to read on, made the post and moved on. He's not pushing his read anymore, and hasn't even really talked about it again.
---- Line of scumminess --- kmatt: baby come back VA: I want to believe that his matter of fact tone makes him town, but I just can't given the things I'm reading about his reputation ---- Line of towniness --- noonboxer koshiggtemp: If he was mafia he would have used his supposed inexperience as a shield. sloosh---- Line of more-towniness --- darth eden
raynThere's very likely a mafia in my town reads as I'm really not sure about a lot of them, but I want to lynch mderg or tubesock as it stands now. My TR's "were really odd". Yet compare them and notice GiygaS has the same ones. You can argue that I town VayneAuthority while GiygaS nulls him. But then I put VA in the same group as two others where I say something was bothering me about them yet I was not willing to lynch him. So, you can argue I null him instead. I don't care how you label it, "null", "slight/could be/ has a chance at being town", "I have no idea" whatever it isn't really relevant. It is clear it is not a strong read in either direction. The point is GiygaS and my reads are essentially equal. As in we are reading hte same game. How can my reads possibly be "weird" in his eyes? GiygaS cites Darthfoley's case on me. Darth's case is basically how the fuck can SloOsh and Noon be "easy town reads"? and my only commentary uses vagueness tone and he didn't like the phrase "weird scuzzies". BUT GiygaS goes with the "yeah weird town reads!" Why? well because Rayne, Koshi and Eden already said they think I am mafia. Koshi I htink it was already pointed out what a good point (weird statement) the easy town reads of Sloosh and Noon are. So, GiygaS KNOWS he has support and won't be questioned about this weird reads thing. GiygaS can give some reasons make it look like a case so he's doing something AND he knows he has the support of the 3 strongest thread presences. He won't have to fight them or do much to convince them. GiygaS should be latching onto the vaqueness of tone and "weird scuzzies" statements that Darth made. His case if he were town would include things like how I scum claimed, bitched and whined about something that probably wasn't going to happen, and then when I was called out for it I bailed scummily. That I have 3 posts and that each one is the epitome of doing "just enough" to stay under the radar. That maybe I was trying to play up the too scummy to be scum vibe. If you are going to make a case, it should be something like Tubesock's Tubesock is mafia case. Not, wow we have the same reads but Tubesocks town reads are so weird! There is plenty to case me on beyond just what Darth has said without needing to parrot the most active posters. I really like this post. That reason giygas gave for scumreading Tubesock looks fabricated. So is this a reason for you to scumread GiygaS? If it is, what in GiygaS' answer to the concerns here does not make sense? Yes, this is a reason for me to scumread him. It's not that his answer doesn't make any sense. It's simply unconvincing Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 17:00 GiygaS wrote:On January 10 2016 16:55 Tubesock wrote:
So, basically, you are saying that if I simply said:
Town reads
Rayne, Eden, SloOsh, Noonsiansoong
then the rest as finished, you would think I'm town? That would have helped, when your filter is that short its hard to say much else when there's basically nothing else in your filter. There's nothing of substance in that except for that post, and the one just now where you scum read me because I scum read you for the wrong reasons. Also this sounds like he is simply looking for a reason to scumread Tubesock.
Where are you trying to go here?
On January 10 2016 20:34 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 03:01 slOosh wrote:On January 10 2016 02:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I wasn't super impressed by what boxer had to say.
@sloOsh I would be most interested in your reads on darth, mderg, and boxer at this point.
Specifically mderg's read on darth. I like darth's posting thus far. He engages in topics that are relevant to the thread at the time and gives fleshed out explanations. I believe that mderg's read shows that he isn't reading the thread closely. On January 09 2016 14:07 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote:
Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason.
darth, templar was talking about toning down defending his early reads late in to the game. That post is not going to mean anything d1 if you're just evaluating if he's staying true to it or not. Oh yea I just reread that, that was dumb of me. If he was, (or if he was at least reading darthfoley closely), he should have seen this post. On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I am also going to make it my policy to not lynch an active player on D1. Going to go for a scummy low amount poster. and if there isn't one, I ll take down the lowest filter. Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game. I would also suspect that he should also have been able to point out darthfoley's mistake in time order, as Koshi posted what he did before my spurt of posting, before I was an "active poster". Furthermore, I don't get the sense that he is actually trying to convince anyone. He is throwing out a read, explaining it, but that's it. Looks like he is trying to keep up appearances. How does my read show that I'm not reading the thread closely? I quoted the post I supposedly missed like 5 minutes after my scumread on darthfoley, saying that it would have been a better quote than the one I had used. Dunno about the mistake in time order, I never considered you to be inactive at any point in this game.
On January 10 2016 20:34 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 03:01 slOosh wrote:On January 10 2016 02:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I wasn't super impressed by what boxer had to say.
@sloOsh I would be most interested in your reads on darth, mderg, and boxer at this point.
Specifically mderg's read on darth. I like darth's posting thus far. He engages in topics that are relevant to the thread at the time and gives fleshed out explanations. I believe that mderg's read shows that he isn't reading the thread closely. On January 09 2016 14:07 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote:
Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason.
darth, templar was talking about toning down defending his early reads late in to the game. That post is not going to mean anything d1 if you're just evaluating if he's staying true to it or not. Oh yea I just reread that, that was dumb of me. If he was, (or if he was at least reading darthfoley closely), he should have seen this post. On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I am also going to make it my policy to not lynch an active player on D1. Going to go for a scummy low amount poster. and if there isn't one, I ll take down the lowest filter. Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game. I would also suspect that he should also have been able to point out darthfoley's mistake in time order, as Koshi posted what he did before my spurt of posting, before I was an "active poster". Furthermore, I don't get the sense that he is actually trying to convince anyone. He is throwing out a read, explaining it, but that's it. Looks like he is trying to keep up appearances. How does my read show that I'm not reading the thread closely? I quoted the post I supposedly missed like 5 minutes after my scumread on darthfoley, saying that it would have been a better quote than the one I had used. Dunno about the mistake in time order, I never considered you to be inactive at any point in this game.
And here?
On January 10 2016 22:27 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 22:13 Tubesock wrote:On January 10 2016 22:01 mderg wrote:
Let's take the way I saw the quote. Then, was that quote right or wrong? Uh It would be a pretty logical case. And I don't fault anyone for casing me on those points. Hell, if GiygaS did I wouldn't have anything to argue with at all. So, sure it could be right. Now what? Ok, I'm satisfied with that. That part played a big role in me believing your case on Giygas to be genuine. So your initial response saying the quote was wrong made me reconsider my stance on you.
What were you satisfied here?
On January 12 2016 05:29 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 10:58 GiygaS wrote:
My "blue hunting" was me genuinely not knowing how a named VT works in the average game. I read it on the mafiascum wiki that their claim is very important, so I thought it might be worth asking to generate some non-joke discussion.
To explain my townread on boxerfred, while it was light, and dropped continuously as he didn't show up, was that he seemed to be reading posts very carefully to make analysis. He was picking out tiny things like the medic dodge specificity that I missed and thought was interesting, esp. when I was suspicious of Koshi at the time.
Updated reads for me is that ggtemp, koshi and sloosh are confirmed for the time being. Rayn is still very town in my eyes, and mderg has moved up since I don't think he would have swapped to a 1 vote wagon if he was scum trying to save his teammate (he would have swapped to one of the two vote wagons).
It's worth noting that we know boxer wasn't around as there's no way he wouldn't have either swapped votes or talked in the thread otherwise. So there was max 2 mafia in the thread at the time of the lynch. I don't think reading carefully and picking out tiny things is particularly towny. About the last minute vote switch: Moving to a 2 vote wagon wouldn't really have made a difference. I couldn't have saved boxerfred myself and would have needed someone else to switch either way.
That's nice - he's conftown now - what else you got?
On January 13 2016 08:29 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 03:49 slOosh wrote:
Like, if we all agree that darthfoley is scum, then it seems like the right play to lynch him first. I think him flipping scum would be strong enough to exonerate Tubesock, despite the redcheck, given how D1 voting played out.
Am I making sense? I had darthfoley as scummy for quite some time. Haven't been able to read his filter since EOD1, though. Will take a look tomorrow to see what I think about that.
You have no mention of why Darthfoley is scummy until this post - #1091 - Can you explain further?
So, Mderg's last three posts after the red check are -
On January 13 2016 08:29 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 03:49 slOosh wrote:
Like, if we all agree that darthfoley is scum, then it seems like the right play to lynch him first. I think him flipping scum would be strong enough to exonerate Tubesock, despite the redcheck, given how D1 voting played out.
Am I making sense? I had darthfoley as scummy for quite some time. Haven't been able to read his filter since EOD1, though. Will take a look tomorrow to see what I think about that.
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On January 13 2016 08:38 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 04:13 nooniansoong wrote:On January 13 2016 04:07 slOosh wrote:On January 13 2016 03:54 nooniansoong wrote:On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant?
like just read that.. scum can't fake a thought process like that. I dunno that post is weird because the timeline is actually Koshi & others thought slOosh was weird --> slOosh gets annoyed and gets more active --> Koshi backs off after seeing this Whereas darthfoley's interpretation is something like Koshi & others thought slOosh was weird (but still active) --> Koshi should be backing off but isn't the way i see it is darth think sloosh was active enough already when koshi started in on him and so koshi's pressure looked fake. then he didn't like the "pivot" koshi did to an inactive poster. It has nothing to do with the timeline you are presenting. I woudl be super super impressed with darthfoley was mafia, just because I never see mafia coming up with weird cases like. Tubesock as for your mafia abilities, I suspect you were towned for a megapost/tinfoil which is not what I'm basing my townread on here. I thought that post was scummy. Doesn't really matter to me whether he thought sloosh was active enough already or he misinterpreted koshi's posts.
I'm not calling out anyone out scummy - just doing my research... mderg seems off though.
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On January 13 2016 18:24 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 05:26 darthfoley wrote:On January 10 2016 05:03 Eden1892 wrote:On January 10 2016 03:13 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 17:43 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2016 17:27 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 17:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
boo to yourself eden You do read what I say! I am curious why you and slOosh seemed to just mutually drop your conversation about your divergent reads on GiygaS. Weren't you a little curious why slOosh could read the same thing you did and conclude the exact opposite thing about GiygaS's alignment? There is no reason for me to answer this before slOosh does. I will after that. I will just say that coming to opposite conclusion (which is btw pretty strong wording here -- since i literally stated my read is "tentative") and concluding that the other person makes sense are not mutually exclusive. They aren't exclusive, I just figured you might still be curious enough to ask. But you are right, I would much rather hear slOosh's answer on this first. On January 09 2016 17:29 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 17:20 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2016 16:51 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote:
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.
##Vote: Koshi What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you. Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne. For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant? I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of. A counterquestion. Why should Koshi be reluctant to back off? Just because he said he wouldn't lynch active players? Most pushes this early in day 1 don't lead to lynching the people being pushed. I would even go as far as to say that if your early pushes are engineered to lynch people, you're doing it wrong. The point of putting other players' feet to the fire early is to force them to make substantive statements about the game state. This is helpful regardless of whether the player is town or mafia, active or inactive, yada yada. I agree it's a bit bizarre that he pivoted over to noonian and doesn't post anything. Not leaving any reasons for it is, indeed unhelpful. But you said this: I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town. This sounds to me more like an indictment of his entire posting history, not just his admittedly bordering-on-useless "vote/push" post. You're not telling me that of all the posts Koshi has made this day, the whole body of work is unhelpful due to this one post at the end, are you? If you are, forgive me for finding it uncompelling. I think Koshi's been of at least moderate use in generating discussion. I think his pressure on slOosh was constructive, and I would certainly not call the body of work unhelpful. You're going to have to do better than just handwave the whole thing as unhelpful. Maybe cite something specific for me outside of the noonian vote? (Or if you have nothing else, then please elaborate as to why that invalidated the rest of his posting history this game.) Meh, i'm starting to see why there are newbie mafia games run lol. It was a bit too shallow to vote on Koshi given the circumstances. The more I think about it, the more I do see the utility of his grilling of Sloosh near the start. It's true that he doesn't have to back off a scum read, especially because as you said, lots of people get grilled day 1 and it doesn't necessarily mean it's aimed at a lynch. I was under the impression that Koshi actually scum reads Sloosh, although it's useful info either way. The more reflective I am of the Koshi v Sloosh dynamic, the more I realize that I can't let my frustration of being kind of clueless make me jump to hasty conclusions. At this point, I can't constructively add much until Koshi explains his Noon read imo. I don't understand what was shallow about voting Koshi there. If your takeaway from my questions was "you are wrong for voting Koshi," that takeaway isn't the one I intended to convey. The takeaway was "I don't understand why you are voting Koshi" -- and you're essentially telling me you don't have much to add to the discussion until Koshi explains his read. But... you still had a reason for saying that Koshi's posts were unhelpful. After all, unless you intend to tell me your statement that "The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town." was made up, something you read made you think this. I just want to know what that something is. The reasons I said that were because of the Noon vote, and because I thought he was really trying hard to sway rayne's townread on Sloosh in a way that seemed a bit suspicious. It wasn't that much to go on. Just woke up so i'll get up to date with the thread, but I wanted to make sure I responded to this Ok. So, you felt the Noonian vote and the attempt to sway ray's vote was suspicious. In what way(s) were they so? I don't care that you have decided Koshi isn't suspicious anymore, I just want to know why you felt he was so I may evaluate your alignment. Well if I were scum, I think it would make sense to get in the ear of someone who has basically been agreed to be town read, especially when he (rayne) has been leading a lot of the discussion. If you are being helpful to one of the "towniest town" people, you could be either helpful town or smart scum. I initially read it as a clever scum play. I've already explained why I found the Noonian vote suspicious: there was nothing concrete about it and seemed random because Noonian hadn't posted anything at that point. Also, thanks for the Named VT explanation Reading your filter, this stuck out to me.
I read from our other town - It's really wordy speak, and thought I thought I would flag this - I've had a few to drink tonight, and re-evaluate
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Got really busy at work guys - but I wanted to put out my thoughts. I'll try to jump on more tomorrow.
In order from town to scummy
1. GiygaS - Cop not CC'ed (I feel for ya bud, I was a two shot tracker that claimed one shot, and got disrespected too)
9. Koshi - He's shitting his town rainbow style, he's angry - yes, he does this when his town fails him.
11. GGTeMpLaR - He's playing well, and shooting it out -
2. Eden1892 - He feels town - I know he was trying to prove everyone wrong with the "TS was town" - but it needed to happen.
7. darthfoley - He did so well D1 - I need to read him more -
10. VayneAuthority - I want to believe in Rayn's meta read on you - from what I've obs'ed - it's rarely wrong, but he isn't perfect either.
5. Nooniansoong - he is nothing but one liners. I'm happy to vote him.
4. mderg - I'm his D3 mislynch from my view - speaks very little about me and now would be happy to lynch me. I still don't like his late vote d1 - the vet's say it's NAI, ehh, Milo bit me in the ass before on this.
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I better vote at least. Lynch mderg after I flip town, someone do vca, you really think it was scum vs scum on the last day?
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Wifom but yes I would have conceded
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On January 11 2016 07:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Final Vote Count
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
Nooniansoong (2): Raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): Nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
Not voted (1): Kmatt
Currently, boxerfred is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread.
On January 14 2016 06:36 rsoultin wrote:
Vote Count
Tubesock (8): Koshi, VayneAuthority, Nooniansoong, GGTeMpLaR, scott31337, mderg, darthfoley, GigyaS
Nooniansoong (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
Darthfoley (1): slOosh
Not voted (0):
Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Wednesday, Jan 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread.
On January 17 2016 07:14 rsoultin wrote:
Vote Count
Nooniansoong (5): Koshi, Eden1892, GGTeMpLaR, scott31337, VayneAuthority
scott31337 (2): GigyaS, mderg
Not voted (2): Nooniansoong, darthfoley
Currently, Nooniansoong is being lynched. You have until Saturday, Jan 16 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread.
So this is where we are at now.
Now If I add what I think - Koshi town, GG town, and I'm town - we get -
+ Show Spoiler [Thoughts] +On January 11 2016 07:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Final Vote Count boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, KoshiTubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 Nooniansoong (2): Raynpelikoneet, mderg VayneAuthority (1): NooniansoongslOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfredNot voted (1): Kmatt
Currently, boxerfred is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread. On January 14 2016 06:36 rsoultin wrote:Vote Count Tubesock (8): Koshi, VayneAuthority, Nooniansoong, GGTeMpLaR, scott31337, mderg, darthfoley, GigyaS Nooniansoong (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 Darthfoley (1): slOoshNot voted (0):
Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Wednesday, Jan 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread. On January 17 2016 07:14 rsoultin wrote:Vote Count Nooniansoong (5): Koshi, Eden1892, GGTeMpLaR, scott31337, VayneAuthority scott31337 (2): GigyaS, mderg Not voted (2): Nooniansoong, darthfoley
Currently, Nooniansoong is being lynched. You have until Saturday, Jan 16 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread.
I'll look over some more when I get some more time.
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Good job! I was wrong on mderg, but the town played well. GG's all, thanks for the game.
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