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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 14:12 GMT
#254
On January 09 2016 18:33 mderg wrote:
rayn has pretty much been the towniest towner that ever towned so far.




Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote:
Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason.

darth, templar was talking about toning down defending his early reads late in to the game. That post is not going to mean anything d1 if you're just evaluating if he's staying true to it or not.

I might have had one of the best reasons possible to peace out... it was 2am here


I find this post very scummy.

It feels like you're being excessive with how 'obviously' you know Rayn is town and the word choice of 'towniest towner ever towned' seems contrived, like you're trying to appear silly and nonthreatening.

Also I personally am not so chill when people accuse me of disappearing when I clearly had to go to work/sleep in a game but I don't detect any irritation in your post (unsure what to make of that but it strikes me as weird as well).

On January 09 2016 19:37 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 19:09 mderg wrote:
I don't like darthfoley so far because of this:

On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking.

On January 09 2016 13:33 darthfoley wrote:
I do think it's strange that Templar talks in his opening post about "toning it down a bit" and then doesn't really contribute much, followed by a vote on sloosh. It seems like he's already deviating from the plan he set up an hour ago, leading me to have a scum read on him so far


Feels like the stuff you come up with, if you're trying to scumread someone just for the sake of scumreading people.

This would have been better instead of the first quote
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On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:
Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game.

Some more explanation:
He scumreads two people for not doing things how they promised to do things. But if you really think about it, scum usually thinks much more about their appearance in things like this and town just plays how they think on the spot. So it actually makes much more sense for town to contradict what they said a few hours before. This makes me think darthfoley didn't think about it and just went: contradiction --> free scumread



This is a narrative/explanatory post of another's play in quite a bit of detail which I find scummy in-of-itself. Maybe I don't quite understand what your goal is here, so if that's the case feel free to correct me.

With regards to Eden, I just want to trust him as town his posting just gives me vibes of genuine town honestly trying to project town and solve the game. I trust him.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 14:13 GMT
#255
Quick summary

[g]koshi, eden, rayn[/green]

[r]sloosh, mderg, darth[/red]
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 14:13 GMT
#256
-facepalm-
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 14:19 GMT
#258
On January 09 2016 23:17 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 23:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Noon any idea what is going on in Koshi's head voting you?


Hmm I'm guessing it was the fact that I was posting in another game and ignoring this one.


What do you think of Koshi and Giyga?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 14:28 GMT
#260
Check his filter it's not long.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 14:35 GMT
#262
On January 09 2016 23:31 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 23:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On January 09 2016 18:33 mderg wrote:
rayn has pretty much been the towniest towner that ever towned so far.




On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote:
Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason.

darth, templar was talking about toning down defending his early reads late in to the game. That post is not going to mean anything d1 if you're just evaluating if he's staying true to it or not.

I might have had one of the best reasons possible to peace out... it was 2am here


I find this post very scummy.

It feels like you're being excessive with how 'obviously' you know Rayn is town and the word choice of 'towniest towner ever towned' seems contrived, like you're trying to appear silly and nonthreatening.

Also I personally am not so chill when people accuse me of disappearing when I clearly had to go to work/sleep in a game but I don't detect any irritation in your post (unsure what to make of that but it strikes me as weird as well).

On January 09 2016 19:37 mderg wrote:
On January 09 2016 19:09 mderg wrote:
I don't like darthfoley so far because of this:

On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking.

On January 09 2016 13:33 darthfoley wrote:
I do think it's strange that Templar talks in his opening post about "toning it down a bit" and then doesn't really contribute much, followed by a vote on sloosh. It seems like he's already deviating from the plan he set up an hour ago, leading me to have a scum read on him so far


Feels like the stuff you come up with, if you're trying to scumread someone just for the sake of scumreading people.

This would have been better instead of the first quote
On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:
Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game.

Some more explanation:
He scumreads two people for not doing things how they promised to do things. But if you really think about it, scum usually thinks much more about their appearance in things like this and town just plays how they think on the spot. So it actually makes much more sense for town to contradict what they said a few hours before. This makes me think darthfoley didn't think about it and just went: contradiction --> free scumread



This is a narrative/explanatory post of another's play in quite a bit of detail which I find scummy in-of-itself. Maybe I don't quite understand what your goal is here, so if that's the case feel free to correct me.

With regards to Eden, I just want to trust him as town his posting just gives me vibes of genuine town honestly trying to project town and solve the game. I trust him.

1) Why would I not be so chill when someone accuses me of disappearing? I don't really understand.

2) My goal was to explain in detail why I didn't like darthfoley's posts


I just personally get really irritated when someone does something like that to me it always strikes me as stupid because I never intentionally disappear as either alignment. Maybe it's just me though -shrug-
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 14:43 GMT
#265
On January 09 2016 23:38 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 13:28 GiygaS wrote:
On January 09 2016 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2016 13:21 GiygaS wrote:
Fixed formatting
On January 09 2016 13:20 GiygaS wrote:
On January 09 2016 10:34 Koshi wrote:
On January 09 2016 09:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually Koshi why did you pick medic dodge as an example to the named VT question?
It has nothing to do with it.

Cuz I looked at the op and saw that a named vt could mean the difference between a cop and a doc. So mafia would know if they would have to medic dodge.

But the op is for 9 players. didn't see.

This post is weird cause look at the setups, both on page 1 and on page 5 (the actual possibilities):
page 1:
A: 1 Cop, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
B: 1 JK, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
C: 1 Boxer, 6 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF
D: 1 One-shot Cop, 1 JK, 5 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF

No named vt here so it can't mean the difference between cop and doc. But he says the op is for 9 players and made a mistake. What?

page 5:
The game setup is one of the following four:
A: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Named VT, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon
B: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
C: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
D: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Veteran, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon

So I went through the possibilities where named vt is the difference between a cop and a doc. A is the only scenario where it shows up, and cop appears in it and doc doesn't. The only scenario where Doc shows up and cop doesn't is C, but this would mean that either he's mafia and the team setup is RB GF Goon, or he's vig. However, vig cant be his role, because there's no situation where cop and vig are in the same game.


I don't think you should think this is alignment indicative.
Koshi is most likely telling the truth about not reading the setup on p5 (game start) as if he was lying and covering up later he would have covered up properly (he also misread the OP rofl).

So the only conclusion is Koshi was being dumb, as either alignment.

Eh, I'll take it with a grain of salt but I'd be lying if I said it won't affect my view on him looking forward.

I like gigyas as town. Town read started here. This read here is nuanced when scums reads are more cut and dry.


I liked him too after I read his filter.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 16:51 GMT
#277
On January 10 2016 01:10 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 23:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Quick summary

[g]koshi, eden, rayn

[r]sloosh, mderg, darth

how is koshi green in your head
[/green][/red]

I've already explained my initial townread on Kush and I haven't really seen anything I strongly scumread from him since then.

Regarding your arguments against him here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=14#266

I think your first point about his pre-lynch excuse for lynching outside ongoing wagons made me thinking 'that's a sick play as mafia', but it seems like you've determined he's scum and attached this motive to his play when you could just read it at face value as well, which is what I feel is a more accurate interpretation.

I also think your analysis of his joke about wanting to lynch you is somewhat paranoid.

The nitpicking you mentioned from him was awkward but I didn't find it scummy.

Lastly, I disagree with your analysis of his vote on Noon.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=12#221

I still think Koshi is town and that the arguments for him being scum are entirely unconvincing.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 16:54 GMT
#279
On January 10 2016 01:47 slOosh wrote:
Doing a brief catch up and answering some questions, let me know if I missed anything.

@GGTeMpLaR
If it was self-apparent as to why you would lock someone town for a joke is wrong, then it highlights the fact that the "but" in your opening post seems out of place.

I'm not saying that is a scum tell, I was saying that it looked funny. Perhaps I asked the wrong question and went in a roundabout way of doing it, but that's what I did.

Right now I read GGTeMpLaR as more likely town for the confident demeanor and analysis of my approach.


I don't agree with your analysis of the grammar. The 'but' was a transition. Another example where this might be used is if you're saying something like 'blablabla... but on a serious note...X'. It probably would have made more sense if you imagine the bold having been inserted in my statement after the but to better convey the impression that I was making a joke.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 16:56 GMT
#280
'Yea John you messed up this report you're fired, but make sure you use the right front next time'
'Yea I wanna lock rayn-town, but I do townread him'

insert 'on a more serious note'

after the but and I guess it makes more sense
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 16:57 GMT
#281
Dry humor is just difficult to convey through text sometimes.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 17:00 GMT
#285
I wasn't super impressed by what boxer had to say.

@sloOsh I would be most interested in your reads on darth, mderg, and boxer at this point.

Specifically mderg's read on darth.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 17:06 GMT
#287
I'm about to go to bed will refresh a couple more times in case there's any last questions. Here's another updated summary of where I'm at.

sloOsh boxerfred darthfoley mderg

Where I'm at right now though, I would be very surprised if only one of these scumreads is accurate. I think at the very least I've pinned down 2 scum in these red names.

GiygaS Eden1892 Nooniansoong Koshi Raynpelikoneet

I feel pretty good about all of these players being town.

??? Tubesock VayneAuthority Kmatt

No fkin clue
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 17:18 GMT
#290
@noon Why'd you vote/unvote/vote rayn?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 17:21 GMT
#293
Question still stands
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 17:21 GMT
#294
Also the mod post has him down as voting rayn but it should be on vayn right now
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2016 17:22 GMT
#296
I wanna know why he voted
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 10 2016 09:30 GMT
#428
Not much has changed in my reads in the last 4-5 pages.

Reading through Tubesock's filter I don't find it particularly scummy at all. He hasn't oozed town for me yet either but I'd put him as a 'questionmark im ok with for today'

I also don't really see a strong case against Vayn either. If we want to lynch a lurker with no content Kmatt is really the only option.

I'd prefer for it to go on boxer, sloosh, or mderg. I still don't trust darth but he's had a couple posts I felt better about, one of them being

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=16#314

something just about his process of hunting scum felt unlikely to be from a mafia to me

GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 10 2016 09:34 GMT
#429
I feel really confident that we need to lynch in sloosh, mderg, and boxer to hit mafia today.

I feel less confident about which one I specifically want to lynch today.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 10 2016 09:48 GMT
#430
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=14#266
This sticks out to me more than anything else as one of the single-most scummy posts in the game. What do other people think?
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