EPT[M][N] Unoriginal Name Mini Mafia - Page 11
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GiygaS
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darthfoley
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On January 09 2016 15:43 slOosh wrote: You don't think the way that he exited thread is weird? He spends a good chunk of posts swaying rayn's town read of me, and when rayn comes around he leaves with this? Agreed. I think Noon has only posted once, so throwing his name out there with "reasons I can't promise I will remember" seems like a random bone to throw out early on-- unless the reason is inactivity. Maybe there's some meta history I'm not aware of? | ||
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slOosh
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darthfoley
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slOosh
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On January 09 2016 12:57 Koshi wrote: ##vote: Nooniansoong I got reasons. But they are "terrible". I am also extremely tired so I can't promise I will remember them. But I think he might be biggest shot on mafia. Scum read on me, leaves by voting someone else, stating vague reasons that are admittedly "terrible", and closing out with "I think he might be biggest shot on mafia". Join me. ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
I will wrap up my key points. Koshi spends half his posts talking about some setup fluff. Koshi spends the other half of his posts repeating the same post, telling me (his scum read), why I am scum, instead of telling others. Koshi leaves the thread by placing a vote on someone other than me, without giving reasons, and also claims that they are best chance of being mafia. Vote Koshi. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
On January 09 2016 08:51 Koshi wrote: I am also going to make it my policy to not lynch an active player on D1. Going to go for a scummy low amount poster. and if there isn't one, I ll take down the lowest filter. Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game. The Noonian vote would make more sense if we'd already gone passed some time for a low poster to be identified, so yea his reads have to be more than simply activity. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
##Vote: Koshi | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On January 09 2016 15:21 slOosh wrote: What's wrong with locking him town for the joke? Why not vote with the post where you say I look like mafia? What is your opinion on Koshi? I wouldn't lock someone town over something I think could be that easily replicated as mafia. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
You're more-so just trying to discredit my vote and scumread of you without providing any real content other than 'why?' 'why?' 'why?' | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
I'm starting off with some setup analysis because the only thing I cared about on page 5 was Artanis posting the possible setups. I'm sure at least some of you already figured this out, mafia geniuses you are, but as I'm still working through it, I figure that possibly some of you are too. The first thing worth noting about this setup is that the mafia know for sure whether or not there is a doctor in the game. If, down the line, it's apparent that the mafia is playing around a doctor, we can say with a greater degree of certainty that we are in Setup B or C, and that should inform our vetting of role claims accordingly. The second thing is that the Named VT, the Doctor, or the Veteran (and there is certainly one of these roles) knows the setup fully (or in the Doctor's case, almost fully -- is missing the other town role). If you are one of these roles, you should of course keep that under wraps for now, but know that you have unique information that may help us unravel complicated role claims down the line, and don't forget that you have that information, because the rest of us have to wait for you to flip to get it. Actually, I lied earlier. There was one post that caught my attention, I've touched a bit on my opinion on it already. On January 09 2016 08:50 GiygaS wrote: Before I leave if there's a vanilla townie, should they claim? It would give us useful setup info and maybe confirm someone right? I like that this player, right from the start, was thinking about how to gain additional info about the setup. I think the answer to this question is "no" -- we don't need the information this early, and saving it until later may allow for a much bigger blowout if the hypothetical Named VT ends up under fire or the mafia get involved in some claims fiasco -- but I think looking toward this immediately at the game start is correct, as we were given additional relevant information to start the game (the four possible setups), and GiygaS immediately began thinking about how to maximize the use of this information. I looked at the rest of the filter for this player, and GiygaS is talking to what seems like half of the thread (and almost all of the active players), throwing early reads out and being willing to defend them on concrete (at least for 8 hours into day 1) grounds. I'm sure this read is pretty easy, but I think GiygaS is town. I also like this question from rayn during page 6: On January 09 2016 09:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually Koshi why did you pick medic dodge as an example to the named VT question? It has nothing to do with it. Koshi does come to the incorrect conclusion about why the Named VT shouldn't out. The mafia already know whether or not a Doctor is in the game, so the Named VT potentially outing doesn't change this aspect of the equation. I bring this up not to talk about Koshi (I find the "I misread the OP" back-and-forth that ensued to be not particularly indicative of anything for him) but instead to highlight rayn, who I think was pretty on-point about everything early. His reaction to Tubesock's comment about dumb tells and his questioning of slOosh (both on page 8) were both correct. I think raynpelikoneet is also town. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
(Not really, but since you asked so nicely, I guess I can try...) On January 09 2016 12:25 slOosh wrote: Hmm big things are you as strong town for picking up on similar things to me + more. GGTeMpLaR I also noticed his first post was kinda awkward, but I felt like he could very well be those townies that if you pressure they just ... react poorly? I'm not sure how to phrase it, but I don't think a direct pressure approach would work out. So I wanted him to post on something else to figure out if he is nervous b/c scum or nervous b/c newer player. Vayne ... I feel like he is reading me slightly more scum than someone reasonably could? Either that or his style of playing is very different to mine, almost like Oatsmaster or something if he is still around. No one else has too much for me. What is this post actually trying to say, slOosh? In the first place, I don't follow what you mean when you say: "I wanted him to post on something else to figure out if he is nervous b/c scum or nervous b/c new player." What "something else" did you want him to post about? GGTemplar opened his post by saying that he intended to "tone down" relative to his previous games. You then asked him about his reads in his previous games. A few questions about this: (1) How is this "on something else"? (1.5) What even is this "something else"? (3) What is the difference between being nervous due to newness or scumminess, and (3b) How can you tell that difference from the question you asked? I don't understand the direction of your question to him. Second, you say this: "Vayne ... I feel like he is reading me slightly more scum than someone reasonably could? Either that or his style of playing is very different to mine, almost like Oatsmaster or something if he is still around." What is your actual conclusion about Vayne? What's unreasonable about his scumread on you? Your post purports to give reads about two different people (as it's in response to rayn asking you for reads), but you come to no conclusion regarding either that I can see. Do you have actual conclusions about them? On January 09 2016 12:40 slOosh wrote: I asked specifically about GiygaS because I took his initial wording as more scum vibe. It's really awkward that a VT would say "vanilla town" and not differentiate that he is talking about the Named VT, and I think blue roles are somewhat unlikely to want to talk about role claiming and whatnot, which leaves perhaps a careless scum post. I don't agree with the conclusion of your townread but I understand it and find it logical. What wording did you take as "more scum vibe"? Specifically what is awkward about a VT asking the question GiygaS asked earlier in the thread about the Named VT revealing? (If you assume that this VT isn't dumb enough to think he's the only VT in the game, then you can infer that he's not asking for a mass VT role reveal, at which point it's pretty easy to discern that he's referring to the named VT.) And if you disagree with rayn townreading GiygaS then why did you leave rayn's townread conclusion with a "makes sense"? If you think GiygaS is scum then it shouldn't "make sense" that someone can read the exact same thing you do and come to the opposite conclusion. You can't both be right, so how can you both be making sense of the same information? ((Also: boo rayn for giving a lazy "Okay that makes sense" response instead of making this observation. I can't do all the heavy lifting here...)) On January 09 2016 12:44 slOosh wrote: I can see where you are coming from - I was merely giving my whole thinking process. The fact is I play (or at least I think I play) a more logical fashion, sometimes roundabout style. I was noting that some other playstyles hate this (and the player mentioned was just one that came to mind). Are you saying Vayne's read on you is illogical or comes from an illogical playstyle? Why is this? This is similar to my previous question on the matter, but it irks me that you are a self-described logical player but don't explain why you think someone scumreading you this early is illogical. Also wtf does "a sometimes roundabout [logical] style" mean lol | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
I think it ought to be self-apparent as to why locking him town for his joke would be 'wrong'. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote: I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town. ##Vote: Koshi What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On January 09 2016 12:57 Koshi wrote: ##vote: Nooniansoong I got reasons. But they are "terrible". I am also extremely tired so I can't promise I will remember them. But I think he might be biggest shot on mafia. This is really out of the blue to me. noonian has posted literal nothing. Pretty sure you won't answer this until you wake up, and I hope you remember them, because I want to know them, so you're gonna need to tell me to the best of your recollection. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
You now know I am not a new player and have already revealed that you attempted to apply pressure to make me nervous, which means I am aware of your tactic. What is the point of this rhetorical line of questioning you are throwing at me? | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
Point being, I'm not nervous and I don't see your inquiries into me to be coming from a townie mindset. | ||
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darthfoley
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