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This game I am going to try hard to work on read accuracy. I just did a quick read through. Exo gave me mafia feels in his few posts, but that doesn't mean much. I liked hf's first post. Then ness said he needed to write a lot in defense. Ness, I urge you to write as little as possible while still honestly addressing hf's concerns. | ||
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Because I'm scum and it makes an easier scumgame for me. Is that what you are hinting at? | ||
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If we lynch you and you're town, that's our problem not yours. | ||
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Right now I have zero reads. I realize I am a null read at best, and if you want to lynch me I won't stand in your way. I am also signed up for the newbie game so I won't be mafialess for long. Don't get me wrong, I do want to play in this game. I simply don't have the time to keep up with 20 people's spam. Expect reads from me d2 at the latest. Thank you for your time, Kush | ||
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Rayn is posting way more. Why not lynch him? | ||
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On December 28 2015 04:08 Vivax wrote: If you're town and know you're never going to read this game gtfo. If you're mafia just wait until i lynch you thats okay too really vivax??? what if you just looked at the game and had 50+ pages to read. Would you read it? Do you really think that's the best use of someone's time? I would suggest going through filters rather than trying to read everything. | ||
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On December 28 2015 06:09 Holyflare wrote: So what you're saying is you're mafia with TMI I based my read on two pieces of information. 1 He played try hard scum last game. I was in that game with him and I remember it very well. 2 I read his filter this game and it looks much lower effort than his mafia game. I don't think it's tmi. | ||
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Palmar is missing d1 and according to his meta he is a d1 player. I think he's going to be unreadable regardless of his alignment so he's a good policy lynch. | ||
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On December 28 2015 06:27 Holyflare wrote: And then you said he could be burnt out and made the leap to him being town instead...? There is no leap. His activity points to two options: burnt out scum or town. Which of those he is, I do not know. However, I do not think his lack of activity and the emptiness of his posts is a scumtell, due to his last scumgame. That is what most people are basing the scumread on. Is he burnt out scum or town? If his behavior doesn't point to one being more likely than the other, than it is more likely he is town, simply because town is the more abundant role. | ||
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@hf it's not a leap precisely because i dont have a view on all the other players in the game. Objectively town is more abundant. that is a fact before reads. | ||
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On December 28 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kuah who are your scumreada? Do you think its perfectly fine to discredit people's scumreads without actually never touching the reasoning and then just wanting to lynch some policy people? No scum reads yet. No scum reads yet. I thought I was addressing the reasoning. The reasoning being lack of content and empty posts. Maybe I wasn't addressing your reasoning but other people's. Not sure about your reasoning because I don't read most of your posts. No offense. | ||
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On December 28 2015 08:30 sicklucker wrote: I would love to see him die but more of a semi policy lynch. Against a beast like kush any read is a good reason to lynch him day 1 In some games I look very town as the game progresses. In the last game I played scum TT shot me n2. So I am not consistently unreadable. On December 28 2015 08:51 sicklucker wrote: according to his meta he does not playing on weekends specifically holiday weekends. I really hope your mafia busing tt like usual because thats funny How am I busing TT if I said I was probably town? Follow up questions, why aren't you reading the posts of someone you want to lynch? | ||
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I can see why artanis is voting you. You look bad for similar reasons to trfl | ||
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I believe, ows, you said tts posts are empty..something like that. Your posts are pretty empty too. Your content is similar to tt in its length and depth. | ||
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On December 28 2015 12:11 Tictock wrote: My only issue with this thinking is that it could just be a very legit, NAI, question he asked there and you are way overthinking it. I will admit that the nature of the question is more town indicative, but this wont really change my opinion by itself. Huh? Isn't your opinion already changed if you admit to it being town indicative? It's hard to believe you have a strong enough d1 case to counteract someone doing something town indicative. | ||
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On December 28 2015 12:19 ritoky wrote: So you can understand why artanis is voting ows and you think it is similar, you find them both empty posters and you're just content to let them do fuck all for what reason? Since apparently you don't scum read either of them Why does null reading someone equate to being content to let them do fuck all? | ||
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On December 28 2015 12:29 ritoky wrote: prior to your post while I was typing mine you hadn't engaged either when both are here to get a read plus you're not pushing for anything. From what I remember you're default sitting on palmar and content to let people fuck off. I don't have a scumread to push. I engage people when it is convenient. My vote for palmar is a vote for a policy lynch. It can be interchanged with about a dozen other players. I think he is a good policy lynch but it's not super important to me. | ||
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On December 28 2015 14:06 sicklucker wrote: but you based your palmer vote on the logic that he is a meta game one player. But I came back and explained to you that palmer is also not a weekend player via meta. it is also christmas. Did this not convince you that your reason for voting him is bogus? + Show Spoiler + it should None of this takes away from my logic of why he is a good poliIcy lynch. 1 d1 player 2 not here day one Regardless of the reason behind number 2 he's still a good policy lynch. | ||
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Focusing on read accuracy meaning I don't want to Make an incorrect read. D1 reads are most likely wrong. I'm not making a read until I am confident in its accuracy. | ||
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Why scum rather than null? | ||
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On December 28 2015 21:21 ExO_ wrote: The progression of our conversation just now: Palmar hasn't been around at all for this game so far Enters the thread by by town reading me, specifically for the masons incident with rsoultin/coag Claims he hasn't read any of the thread and that had no idea anybody else town read me I'm not sure I believe his claim that he's read so little, or that he had no idea anybody else townread me. I think he's lying, and therefore I think he's scum. So you think he read a lot and is saying he didn't read anything because it makes him look townier? Really? Not reading the thread is very believable to me. | ||
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On December 28 2015 07:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: -Sheeps Rayn on TT -Asks for a summary of Vivax' case when the summary is long in the thread and he should've already read it if he knew there was a case -Comes out favouring TT over Vivax without explaining anything -Pops back into the thread favouring TT without explaining anything and disappears again. -Makes a few random comments on other things that are completely meaningless. -Asks for a summary of Vivax' case when the summary is long in the thread and he should've already read it if he knew there was a case This is not true. You can know people want to vote vivax without seeing the one post that contained the "case." Basically your case boils down to sheeping rayn on TT and staying on TT without explaining why in depth. | ||
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On December 28 2015 22:28 Koshi wrote: Not reading all posts and not remembering everything is not a mafia trait. Way too much too remember. Way too many variables. We can't lynch mafia D1 in minis, wont lynch them here) Unless you focus on finding something only mafia would say / do. These "he plays odd and didn't read thread" cases always end up in town being lynched. Because 3 people make cases like that and eventually we lynch the townie. Look at how TT/Vivax were wagons 2 games ago and 1 brilliant mind + Show Spoiler + It was Koshi Thanks for the lectures/brags. Why aren't you trying to find this game's Chrom? | ||
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On December 28 2015 23:02 Palmar wrote: Although I<script id="gpt-impl-0.3554030756292448" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_78.js"></script>'m annoyed kush hasn't responded to me about why he implied to exo that I should be a null read. I don't know what you are looking for here but okay... I didn't think you had done anything that warrented a scumread. You read a filter and called someone town from what you read. You approached the game in the same way I would if I were in your position of having 60 unread pages. So Exo's sudden scumread of you seemed inappropriate, and I wanted to get a better idea of what logic he was basing it on. I suppose I can understand Exo thinking you might be scum playing dumb in order to excuse yourself from having to look townie. | ||
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On December 28 2015 23:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Thinking this might actually make you mafia ftr. Can you be precise about what you didn't understand? | ||
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On December 28 2015 23:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm going to answer your question with a question - why is it relevant? To clarify what you meant by "not understanding the case." It's easier to read someone you understand. | ||
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On December 28 2015 23:58 Holyflare wrote: Well if perchance you are town then the people that aren't following a good case of vivax does shit all as mafia early in the game and we should pressure him generally have TMI and are mafia themselves, there is 0 reason to not form a wagon on you to make you do stuff unless they are scared to look out of place and are mafia. Well there is SL's argument that he is easier to read as the game progresses. Then there is someone else's argument that low activity is not scum indicative for vivax, since he has been known to play like that as town. Which makes him only as scummy as all the other inactives. | ||
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On December 29 2015 00:11 Palmar wrote: Meeehhhh~~~~ that's not entirely correct. Exo accused me, specifically, of lying about having not read the game. I provided pretty solid evidence that I was telling the truth and he just doubled down. The thing is, if I am lying about not having read the game (which would btw be an enormously dumb lie), I should be mafia, Exo is not wrong there. The problem is, I pretty much demonstrated that I was telling the truth. So the reason to question his scumread on me is that one of his main premises for calling me mafia turned out to be invalid. Technically it should make you mafia that you defended me without actually understanding why you should be defending me but I don't know. I'll make that call later. Your proof had nothing to do with why I questioned that read. I'm not sure Exo "doubled down" after your proof. Perhaps he didn't yet see or understand your proof when he doubled down. I think it would be interesting to see if he still thinks you're scum or admits to making a mistake. | ||
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Alaka for now. | ||
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Assuming TT's activity is not alignment indicative, and you are reading him solely on activity, chances are he's town. I agree with Palmar that the argument isn't insightful or interesting. But it was the reason I did not want to kill TT. | ||
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Maybe he misunderstood your case against Ness and thought he had already made it by posting those quotes. | ||
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That is an inconsistency in hfs reads I would like explained, | ||
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You brought up something he brought up already. Which would mean he wasn't lying. | ||
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On December 29 2015 02:38 Holyflare wrote: I actually think slam is pretty likely mafia because of how aggro he was to N E S S but all while calling him town?? and also this post: and some other stuff that I forgot Plus I'm voting for him and I always bus. | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:40 Holyflare wrote: I mean... I don't think anybody has said not to lynch TT at all? im kind of against it | ||
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On December 29 2015 05:15 Vivax wrote: Cool post there Shining, I'm unscumreading you for the moment I was feeling the opposite. Please explain. | ||
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On December 29 2015 05:26 The Shining wrote: Can you explain what you don't like about it? What are your thoughts on them then? They've both had eachother as scum pretty early this phase, to the point where Vivax had to claim(or fakeclaim?) to deflect and HF is still taunting to get Vivax lynched. The only other option would be a double bus and I think that's not impossible, but unlikely at this point. I said i was "feeling" the opposite. Meaning feels not logic was behind me not liking the post. I'll try though. Nothing strikes me as townie about your post. You come to the thread and you poll everyone on their opinion on something that is currently IMO irrelevant. It strikes me as scum trying to come up with suitable activity rather than a townie trying to find scum. | ||
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On December 29 2015 05:51 The Shining wrote: Because from what I see, HF vs Vivax has come up multiple times during this day phase and it was relevant before Vivax pulled his claim/unclaim thing. And was still being talked about. Having everyone take a stance would allow the thread to finally move on from it instead of it shitting up the thread forever and ever until one or both are lynched/shot/w.e. And since it seems like it's pretty quiet 2 hours before the lynch, and TT has a decent lead in votes, why not talk about other interactions? And you've expressed not wanting to lynch TT and just called the case on him shite. So what makes TT town? And yes, you're not wrong, which is why I said it gave me pause. Because imo they both can't be scum. But neither one is here for me to hash out my reads on them so what else can I do? Read the case on TT(I don't remember seeing on on Ness) and deciding whether it's accurate or not. Like, I see scummy things from both of them. But one being willing to lynch the other means that they're probably not scum together. If you're against the TT lynch, why aren't you finding scum anywhere else? You're voting Slam, by yourself. Because of this: Do you have a read on Vivax? An opinion on the claim/unclaim? I couldn't find anything in your filter about it since. Did you get your answers from HF regarding the inconsistencies about his read on you and TT? Or are you content to waste a vote, continue saying you're against the TT lynch and do nothing about it so you can say I told you so if he flips town? vivax - town hf - town That is my opinion. What's yours? Disregarding any meta you you dont know. Regarding wasting my vote... I voted for someone who gives me scumfeels. I'm not gonna lead a wagon on someone other than tt. I don't have the effort or the reputation to do that. So what should I do with my vote? Vote for tt even though I think he's probably town. TT and Ness are you strongest scumreads. Am i understanding that correctly? | ||
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That is bad logic. That logic actually means if TT is town, HF cannot be scum. Not that I agree with the premises. | ||
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On December 29 2015 06:44 sicklucker wrote: i was under the impression kush wasa roll over and die type scum I would probably unvote him Why do you assume all this random stuff about my meta when you don't know me at all? | ||
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On December 29 2015 06:26 nooniansoong wrote: That is bad logic. That logic actually means if TT is town, HF cannot be scum. Not that I agree with the premises. | ||
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3. Onegu 5. sicklucker 7. damdred 8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne) 9. Exo_ 10. Koshi 11. Ritoky 13. Mooseeeeeeeeydooseeeeeey 14. Boxerfred 17. Trfel 18. ObiWanShinobi 19. The Shining 20. Palmar 21. Tictock 22. n e s s 24. Alakaslam | ||
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On December 29 2015 23:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Oh btw, I think Artanis is mafia as well. Normally I just ignore people tunneling me for terrible reasons but the point I raised earlier still stands: I still think this is totally irrational and scummy. But he had that pretty excel reads list. It's a ashit reason but also a true reason I think. As to your point about two scumeads voting for each other. 1. there is bussing 2 he wasn't certain about either scumread For me , at this point in the game, two scumreads voting each other would probably be a nonfactor. | ||
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On December 30 2015 02:32 Holyflare wrote: Can someone give me a gun please? Sorry i haven't been following your latest shitfest. Who would you shoot? | ||
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On December 30 2015 02:34 boxerfred wrote: if GB flips town we should lynch HF sorry I don't follow. Why;s that? | ||
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On December 30 2015 02:40 boxerfred wrote: HF scumreads GB with the reason I quoted first ("from HF"), follows up on him just now as GB does not read the thread and asks for HF's read on Palmar. However HF already provided a huge list, containing his read on Palmar. So HF asks for a gun to shoot GB, implying GB is dumb. When asked who he'd shoot, he even says he'd shoot himself, raising irony to sarcarsm. So we have HF pushing GB (soft pushing imho). Good thing for scum. So if HF is right, cool, nice shot, one scum down. If HF is wrong and GB is town, then HF is probably doing a good scum move. So yeah, GB/HF is either town/scum, scum/town or town/town but not scum/scum imho. can we have a vote count? why is town/town unlikely? Couldn't HF just have a bad read?? Every time someone gets a read wrong it doesn't mean they are scum. | ||
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On December 30 2015 02:45 boxerfred wrote: hm? I'm not saying it's unlikely I bolded it for you. If you read it that way, sorry, I'm not thinking it's unlikely. it's prettymuch 33% You said HF is scum if GB flips town. That would imply that town/town is unlikely right? | ||
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On December 30 2015 02:47 boxerfred wrote: Yep, however when I said that, I didn't even consider town/town possibility, so I mentioned it in my follow up. So you changed your mind about wanting to lynch HF if GB flips town? | ||
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On December 28 2015 20:16 boxerfred wrote: hf seems decent so shes scum boxer want to explain this? is it some meta where hf only plays well when she's town? | ||
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On December 28 2015 20:16 boxerfred wrote: hf seems decent so shes scum boxer want to explain this? is it some meta where hf only plays well when she's scum? | ||
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Lunch is over and I didn't read as much filter as I wanted. | ||
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7. damdred 9. Exo_ 17. Trfel 18. ObiWanShinobi 19. The Shining who the fuck knows 8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne) 13. Mooseeeeeeeeydooseeeeeey 24. Alakaslam | ||
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Why? Because he shenaniganed off a read he had 0% conviction for? | ||
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On December 30 2015 04:15 boxerfred wrote: why am I read as scum by so few people Oo I found your messy thought process newbie-town-like | ||
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i can empathize with palmar because ive been in his situation many times. it can be hard to be a factor in a game when everyone has already put in so much more work than you. | ||
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On December 30 2015 04:25 Alakaslam wrote: No but dude you see how it fits my theory Plammer rayn scum leads to senseless EXO townread a when EXO also scum really or you foolin? | ||
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On December 30 2015 08:34 Holyflare wrote: So boxerfred is now 100% mafia with TT so that's two mafia down. u gotta explain why lol | ||
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Bf...I'm conflicted. His logic is so weird. Too weird to be scum maybe? Here's some self meta for you guys that suspect me. If I were scum there's no way I would have read this whole game. | ||
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On December 29 2015 00:11 Palmar wrote: Meeehhhh~~~~ that's not entirely correct. Exo accused me, specifically, of lying about having not read the game. I provided pretty solid evidence that I was telling the truth and he just doubled down. The thing is, if I am lying about not having read the game (which would btw be an enormously dumb lie), I should be mafia, Exo is not wrong there. The problem is, I pretty much demonstrated that I was telling the truth. So the reason to question his scumread on me is that one of his main premises for calling me mafia turned out to be invalid. Technically it should make you mafia that you defended me without actually understanding why you should be defending me but I don't know. I'll make that call later. Still on the fence about palmar. Weakly leaning town. But what didn't I understand? I did address that Exo thought palmar was lying about reading the game. I suppose I can understand Exo thinking you might be scum playing dumb in order to excuse yourself from having to look townie. By that quote I meant Exo thought Palmar was playing dumb by pretending to not read the thread when he really had. So did he not understand that I understood or what? And why would saying "your read on palmar should be null" make me scum even if I hadn't understood? | ||
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On December 30 2015 22:21 Koshi wrote: Kush do an 180 on all your reads and you solve the game. lol accuracy goal failed | ||
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On December 30 2015 22:21 Koshi wrote: Kush do an 180 on all your reads and you solve the game. kind of a weird thing to say to someone you are scumreading. | ||
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On December 30 2015 23:01 ExO_ wrote: Guess we're pretty much set on TT. I'm fine with this, though would still prefer Palmar lynch. If palmar is scum and somehow manages to survive until D3 we need to lynch him then. Why would you prefer a Palmar lynch to a lynch on certain scum? Is it not certain to you? Also why would Palmar not survive until d3? "Somehow" implies he will probably be dead by then. | ||
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On December 30 2015 23:49 ExO_ wrote: b/c if we're not lynching him he should be shot? somehow implying that our shooters were RBed or something Why did you say "if" in "if palmar is scum and somehow manages to survive until D3 we need to lynch him then"? You think palmar is scum and you want to lynch him. So i don't see where the "if" comes into play. | ||
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On December 31 2015 02:02 Trfel wrote: For the record.... Tictock is 100% mafia and gets lynched here no matter what. Even if Damdred rescinds his gunsmith claim, five people counterclaim Onegu's cop claim, and Onegu posts baby seals, Tictock is STILL mafia and STILL gets lynched. thanks for putting that on the record for everyone lol. I'm curius about what your motivation was for writing this post? | ||
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On December 31 2015 03:26 Koshi wrote: How does this add up ↓↑ ?????????????????????????????????? good point. boxer you got anything real to say about this? | ||
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On December 31 2015 05:42 Vivax wrote: To me you're just worth scumreading cause of your "why should i even read your posts or have a read on you cause l2p" attitude you adopted on me when it was safe to do cause HF,Koshi and rayn pushed that attitude during D1. Artanis the only guy actually treating me with some respect along with TRing me is obviously the NK, plus he scumread you. I'll never TR you in this game Palmar, ever. Not a good reason to scumread someone | ||
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On December 31 2015 05:52 Vivax wrote: You can be sure that if he takes part in an angry mob (not a lynch mob) instead of just pushing his objectives he's mafia. I actually need to un-TR you kush cause as Koshi said your reads seem to be wrong in every aspect and that's possibly Palmar knowing your tendency to be right as mafia and coaching you to just be as wrong as possible in the qt. Tinfoily but explains why you seem to be wrong on everything instead of being something in the middle. dude how are all my read when I barely even have reads... | ||
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On December 31 2015 06:32 boxerfred wrote: what are you dumb? I'm not even talking to you. I'm asking HF to bet real money against me. I say I'm town he says I'm not so I say 100 USD that I'm fucking town. Are you in? Gosh Koshi you're spammy and dumb but if HF is scum, like you think,how would that bet be valid? | ||
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On December 31 2015 06:58 Koshi wrote: GB isn't mafia in 3000 years why not | ||
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On December 31 2015 10:42 Holyflare wrote: 2 mafia in one day, sweet! dunno about that | ||
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Also fake claiming is so dumb lol. Damdred is probably town but godamn why do people fake claim...I've seen it screw over town so many times. | ||
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On January 02 2016 11:30 ritoky wrote: hf you still here? What do you need to talk to him for | ||
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On January 02 2016 11:34 ritoky wrote: cuz exo isn't responding and i think he is the most town of people currently posting outside of exo Why would you want to talk to someone you think is town? | ||
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Get over it dude | ||
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On January 02 2016 11:47 ritoky wrote: i will seriously fist fight anyone who calls exo scum this game btw, i am sooooo sure on that read. Help me get there. Why | ||
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Still not getting why that conversation is town. Can you explain it like I'm five? The dumbtell.. he made masons prove they are masons. So? Scum know they are supposed to be suspicious. I think he was being overly and artificially suspicious if anything. | ||
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On January 02 2016 12:21 ritoky wrote: 1) He confirms he has read the thread, and identifies that he understands that TT has been red checked and counterclaimed for his role. 2) Even though he understands that someone has been red checked and CC'd he wants to lynch Palmar because his dead TRs said so and would rather have a vigi (me) shoot TT. 3) I then explain to him why mechanically it makes no sense because 1 is from a source of definitive information (lulz) and the other is from a source of indefinite information. 4) He still resists saying he prefers palmar, and tries to justify why the alternative is bettter. 5) Amidst all of his explanation he has a underlying paranoia that another shennanie will happen if the lynch is on TT and that someone who he doesn't want lynched will get lynched so he would rather just lynch Palmar who is the person he wants. Why does this shit make him town? #1 pushback against a mechanically simple play, rather than accept something that at the time was accepted as fact he elects to push back. mafia are more apt to take the free lynch and not quibble a whole lot. #2 illogical fear of shennanigans doesn't feel like it comes from mafia #3 discussing alternatives when no one else was is a town trait. the thread had largely shut itself down to any other lynch. #4 wanting palmar lynched and tt shot dumb tell #5 quick and thought out responses that felt like they came from a place on honest concern. timers on responses: 11 mins, 5 mins, 9 mins. considering the amount he typed for each, i doubt as mafia he is that good at faking that much content that quickly and sounding that good. 1. All this sounds like an easy way for Exo to contribute while not having to scumhunt. Scum can discuss mechanics like anybody else. Why does it matter to scum which of palmar or exo gets lynched and which gets shot? It doesn't So he picks what he thinks looks townier. 2. Illogical fear is scummy. It's illogical. It doesn't make sense. It's fake. 3. He did it because he thought it was an easy way to look town. 4. Don't see why that is townie. 5. He wasn't coming up with scumreads so it wasn't hard for him. | ||
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I don't think conviction is hard to fake. #1 about palmar is a bad thing to base a read on because is making the assumptions that palmar is scum and that scum isn't busing. | ||
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On January 02 2016 12:55 ExO_ wrote: I think I've done more scum hunting than you have. Esp. on day 1 you were largely out of the picture. The idea that I'm somehow scum out of this is more tinfoil hatty than any theory I've come up with so far this game Do you think I'm scum? I don't say you are scum because of this. I say you aren't town. So I dont understand what's tinfoily about it. | ||
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On January 02 2016 13:25 ritoky wrote: who should i be town reading that i am not? (yourself excluded) Palmar ,not sure who else | ||
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ows oo maybe mafia Probably forgetting about some peeps. Just because nks scumread palmar doesn't mean palmar is dcum. That seems to be the scumteams primary argument for lynching him. | ||
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Lol I'm your strongest scum read. I'm not going to refute that because I don't even mind. | ||
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On January 03 2016 00:34 Palmar wrote: He knows I'm not mafia. There is no way I believe that when I have for some reason played in a way where literally everyone scumreads me that kush is the hero who actually makes the right call. He's probably either mafia himself (and playing his classic TMI card) or he's the cop and actually checked me n1. Lol no. You have quite a bit of content actually and I townread you for it. I can quote specifics but I'm on my phone so I'm not going to | ||
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I'm really against killing Palmer today. I think slam is a good lynch that people can agree on. | ||
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On January 03 2016 10:39 ritoky wrote: why does that matter? a good case on mafia is a good case on mafia. Not all mafias play in a way that enables convincing cases to be written about them. If a case is convincing depends on the people that need to be convinced. No one is townreading alakaslam. So let's lynch him. | ||
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1 from rit. 2 from mafia kp. The third kill has to be from mafia vig right? | ||
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On January 03 2016 11:34 ExO_ wrote: :/ I dont like following kush into a slam lynch because you think he's town or you think im scum? | ||
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On January 03 2016 11:38 Trfel wrote: Why did you not consider Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, and nooniansoong? because he's not scumreading me? | ||
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The thing about replacing into this game is its like a billion pages and lots of dumb mechanics shit happened. So you can't really blame him for sucking. | ||
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It's so obvious it hurts. | ||
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Super long post Conclusion: I'm gonna sheep Damdred | ||
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Don't make nai mega posts this late in the game. Instead be more conversational. You whole team is making these long ass posts and it looks terrible for them. | ||
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8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne) - maybe scum 9. Exo_ - definitely scum 15. Glowingbear - probably not scum 17. Trfel - definitely scum 19. The Shining - definitely scum 24. Alakaslam - maybe scum | ||
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that post was making fun of oo not actually my own thoughts | ||
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cause i play a lot from work an didn't want my name to have kush on it | ||
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because there is nothing that makes them townie in their filter. EXO, TRFEL - I would have to go through their filter and explain why every post isn't townie. I don't want to do that. How about you tell me why they're town and I tell you why I don't think that makes them town. GB - a lot of good townie looking interactions when he's here. | ||
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On January 04 2016 00:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why on Exo/GB? And explain Trfel to me too pls. the above was in response to this | ||
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On January 04 2016 00:03 Damdred wrote: That's 4 dumb votes on onegu today why is onegu town again? | ||
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On January 04 2016 00:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Kush talk to me about NM. Yeah I'm not totally sure about that. NESS looked townie to me. I think he'd be more willing to fuck off as town. And I don't blame NM for not knowing what to do replacing into this shitfest. | ||
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I'm not understanding something. Town only has 1 vig. But TT was vig and Ritoky claimed vig. ?? | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:58 Palmar wrote: Such excited for the game he can't wait 3 minutes This is a very good observation against rels that was made in the heat of the moment. ~~~ On December 29 2015 23:22 Palmar wrote: Maybe scum: Kush: Bad vote on me, called out Exo for things he didn't understand. He's been pretty shit all over Artanis: he's being super reasonable and willing to listen to people. I know he isn't rayn or some other tunnel god, but still, it's a bit over the top how much he's trying to let other people form their own opinions and barely prodding it. Just like yesterday I didn't read his ows case I haven't read hf today and he doesn't really seem to care. Probably scum: GlowingBear: called me out in a really awkward way yesterday and then got into a argument I think. The main thing is that he was reading a conversation about a thing, and then asked about the very thing the conversation was about. It's 100% clear he wasn't actually reading the part of the thread he asked about, he just saw something and ran with it. OK his kush read is terrible but palmar always has shit-tinted glasses when looking at me. He goes a few levels deep on his artanis read. He makes a clever and original point against GB. | ||
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On January 04 2016 04:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't understand what was so towny about his Rels observation. It's a interesting reason to scumread someone. On January 04 2016 04:34 Damdred wrote: Where has Palomar been really pushy on had any impact at all reads wise It's not really possible to do that when you haven't read most of the game. | ||
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On January 04 2016 05:43 Damdred wrote: It's palmar he totally pushes people when he hasn't read the game. What kind of read is that. And everyone had that reaction to rels d1 he does. he wasn't really there for d1. His reaction to rels showed me he was thinking about rels' alignment in a way a townie would. | ||
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On January 04 2016 06:16 Damdred wrote: So him being sarcastic towards Rels is alignment indicative of palmar? It was more than sarcasm. it was good reasoning why rels was scum. | ||
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On December 31 2015 05:09 Palmar wrote: And for the record, I'll rehash this later, I vastly prefer people trying to lynch me to people shooting me. Even if I end up getting lynched I guarantee you I will end up demanding everyone who votes for me to personally explain why they think I am mafia so that it's out there. lynch-palmar-days are actually surprisingly productive sometimes. To rather be lynched than shot is a very townie sentiment. Scum would rather be shot than lynched. I don't think scum would be able to put themselves in a townie mindset to the extent that they could think to express this. | ||
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On January 04 2016 06:55 Damdred wrote: You are trying to take null things kush and turn them into town type motives. Most of the thread had reactions that were not dissimilar to what palmar posted. At best this is a null as scum are looking just as much as town where to put votes and more than likely palmar vote was already on Rels. Secondly of course palmar doesn't want to be shot this is totally null. 1) Town palmar doesn't want to get shot because he's town and can help to try to win the game. 2) Scum palmar doesn't want to be shot because he's scum,and wants to,win. And thinks he can talk his way out of getting lynched with a large effort. It's totally null, and I'm really concerned now that you are trying to tr palmar for such weak things. It's more than him not wanting to get shot. It's that he rather get lynched than shot. I've been in the position that palmar is in as town so what he is saying rings true to me. | ||
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On January 04 2016 06:58 Trfel wrote: I was about to make a post explaining this, but thanks Damdred for doing it for me. Nooniansoong isn't trying to solve the game, he's just commenting and defending some people (mostly Palmar) instead of being interested in his scumreads. His latest defense of Palmar is a great example of this. "isn't trying to solve the game" is exactly the type of generic wording scum loves to use when describing their fake scumreads. | ||
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On January 04 2016 07:05 Trfel wrote: Nooniansoong, can you please explain why you are scumreading me? See the post of mine you just quoted. | ||
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On January 04 2016 07:15 Trfel wrote: You dodged the question that I asked. In this post, I described why your play is focused on commenting instead of solving the game. You did not respond. I've also pointed out several mindset/mentality contradictions in your play, which you also failed to respond to. Care to respond to any or all? I have very little interest in convincing you of my towniness because I think you're scum. But here goes.. Why am I focused on commenting instead of solving the game? I am very focused on solving the game. Except I am mostly using process of elimination to determine a scumteam. When I can't read someone as town, I assume they are scum. So my case would be something like "there's nothing townie in his filter" rather than "there's something scummy in his filter." That is my a lot of my content has been going against other people's reads that I disagree with. I can argue why something isn't townie, or why something isn't scummy, but not really why something IS scummy. Contradictions in my play.. In some instances I changed my mind without telling you guys about it. In others, you thought I scum or townread someone when I really didn't. Townread me yet? | ||
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On January 04 2016 07:29 Damdred wrote: Th I is palmar though and it's nai and while palmar would come in here saying yea I'm town I agree. You can't judge him on this metric. What else makes him town. I dont think I have anything else. The read is not super strong lol. | ||
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On January 04 2016 08:09 Palmar wrote: Like I know this does not matter to you guys. But there is 100% no way that kush, for two days in a row or something, is right about my alignment when rayn/artanis/hf/damdred/koshi/trfel and the list goes on are wrong. Literally the only other person I remember actually calling me town is rsoultin. (I think she did). It's really annoying, but it's also glaringly obvious. Kush either knows I'm town (cop) or he's scum. im vt bro. trfel dont nk me. | ||
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On January 04 2016 07:39 Trfel wrote: Nooniansoong, I'm not sure how these posts fit with your process-of-elimination mindset described here. How can you get mafia feels from ExO_'s first few posts? And why do you feel that Tictock is more likely town than mafia, while you say that when you can't find a reason to townread people, you assume that they are mafia? l Am I misunderstanding something? 1 I gave no credence to those mafiafeels. Did you not read the part where i said "THAT DOESN"T MEAN MUCH" 2 I had so many null reads at that point that a nullread did not equal scumread like it does at this point in the game. I thought people's reasons for scumreading him were not valid. Then I townread him a little based on, im ashamed to say, tone and some stuff he said in the face of being lynched. | ||
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On January 04 2016 20:49 ObviousOne wrote: the posts regarding nocturnemage are kinda curious sort of implies he knows nocturnemage but this post says he hasn't. i find this weird. his issue with noct knowing the setup of the game is kind of silly since he himself didn't read the OP in the game we were in haunted mini, so it's a stupid point to fuss about when he himself is underinformed. if sl should have any issues with noct i would imagine it would be more with how noct is pushing your lynch but without taking any of the responsibility for it which i imagine you'd have a problem with. onegu thoughts are already in my filter You find it weird that so calls nm a fucker even though he's never played with him. Why is that scummy? Looks like oo is spreading suspicion based on non existent reasoning. | ||
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- Townie push on Ness - Townie push on HF On December 29 2015 04:03 GlowingBear wrote: If you think kush TMIng on TT would be a redundant vote you could've simply vote TT and keep pushing kush. If your ego is so big you should've vote kush and try to get people to lynch him. You never did any, you just saw kush's lynch not getting traction and started throwing suspicions on me and Ness, then you saw the possibility of forming a wagon on me and started it. IF you're voting me solely for ego, why weren't you voting kush before? Your story just not compute. You either have that big ass ego and go against kush full throttle and me full throttle, or you think TT might be mafia with kush and me and just vote TT because the vote is redundant. In other words, if your ego is so big you should have similar behaviours against me and kush, yet they were different accordingly to the possibility of a wagon getting traction or not. | ||
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On January 04 2016 23:31 Palmar wrote: In fact your entire filter seems very, very flip floppy on GB. (yes, I'm super fast at going through filters) You first ask him about some broken logic that you didn't really explain later (that I could see) When Koshi said GB would never be scum you asked him "why not". Which usually indicates you think he could be Quite a bit later you said he was probably not mafia and talked about some "good townie interactions" And finally you thought my point on GB is clever and original. Like you have no firm stance on GB, which I don't really mind, but clearly you seem to have a strong enough stance to make the call that it is worse than a coinflip lynch (in your own words, slam). It's true I've been on the fence about GB in the beginning of the game, and my read has slowly been turning town. When I saw that you made a good point against GB, what I mean by that is I think it makes you town, not that it makes GB scum. I don't recall the point but I think I thought it was bad but townie | ||
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On January 04 2016 23:39 Palmar wrote: You called the point clever by clever I mean showing intelligence. Not that it's correct. I don't even remember the point though lol. | ||
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On January 04 2016 23:46 sicklucker wrote: I have been the biggest town reader of gb this game. But even im ok with him getting lynched here. Infact I think I prefer it Whyyyy GB can come in end game and town himself much like palmar has (somewhat). Besides that Gb looks town from his earlier content. Alakaslam never looked town. Many of the NKs have strongly wanted to kill alaka (koshi, HF off the top of my head). Alakaslam also has fucked off like GB except he's not the type of player that can come back and look super town. | ||
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On January 04 2016 23:50 Palmar wrote: my point is the one I've been harping on about, the "hey he asked a question that he should know the answer to if he was reading" ie: he posted just to post. not reading doesn't make you scum. It seems like he skimmed something then starting pursuing it without fully reading and understanding it. Maybe he didn't realize there was more to understand? Anyway I don't think it's a scumtell, rather it's just something that happens when you aren't following a game very closely. | ||
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On January 04 2016 21:10 nooniansoong wrote: You find it weird that so calls nm a fucker even though he's never played with him. Why is that scummy? Looks like oo is spreading suspicion based on non existent reasoning. | ||
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On January 04 2016 23:58 ObviousOne wrote: so hes ok calling noct a fucker for no reason? to me itimplied a familiarity like ribbing a friend but then they d ont know eachother it just stands out as weird like i said So it's just weird and has zero bearing on either player's alignment? If it has some bearing, please explain why. | ||
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8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne) 9. Exo_ 17. Trfel 18. ObiWanShinobi 19. The Shining 24. Alakaslam | ||
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On January 05 2016 01:12 sicklucker wrote: Me obi dandred and palmar are the new cool kids club i should be in that club instead of obi. | ||
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On January 05 2016 01:17 Damdred wrote: GB post about slam is super scummy which one? | ||
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On January 05 2016 01:27 Damdred wrote: This implies that GB is town reading slam. There is no reason what so ever at this junction to be reading slam as anything but null to scum. GB says he has read the thread as he is commenting on present things so he should know this. It is more scum motivated of GB to act like this then town. Why can't it mean he's nullreading slam? Or he could be townreading slam. People have townread him for emotional commitment. | ||
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On January 05 2016 01:31 Damdred wrote: I don't see any emotional commitment at this point. and if you null read someone you shouldn't be shocked if someone scum reads them and you shouldn't say no reason to scum read them etc. Saying slam has any commitment to this game at this point is a gross over estimation. -townread for earlier commitment, not current commitment. -i wouldn't say he's shocked -the definition of nullread is "no reason to townread them, no reason to scumread them" | ||
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On January 05 2016 01:57 Damdred wrote: Well kush does it make me scum? are you amazed people are scum reading slam today? no it doesn't make you scum. no im not amazed. i am voting for him. | ||
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On January 05 2016 02:05 Damdred wrote: I'm tempted to lynch GB tbh Do it. I'm curious who would join it . Just be sure to be here at eod so you can come back to alakaslam to save Palmar. | ||
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On January 05 2016 02:38 sicklucker wrote: so we would need OO onegu and ritoky to do a clean switch. seems like a lot of work someone else can do it Gb can still be town i think but hes rubbing me the wrong way Those people on palmar might move off given his recent activity. | ||
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On January 05 2016 02:43 ObviousOne wrote: switching wtih u yup not surprising lolol | ||
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On January 05 2016 03:23 Palmar wrote: who is a better lynch, me or gb? because those just became your options. no. I am going to be the stubborn one here and say you guys come back if you want to save palmar. preferably near eod | ||
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On January 05 2016 04:26 Damdred wrote: Though oo being here worries me a small bit but idk If alaka is scum and GB and palmar are town (like I predict), scum isn't going to care which gets lynched. So you probably will get a majority on GB by end of day, because scum on Palmar will think it's townier to switch to GB. I need you to lead the towncircle to an EoD shenanigan onto alakaslam. | ||
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On December 30 2015 21:09 ObviousOne wrote: gb feels different from how he was in haunted mansion mini (where he was town) but not necessarily in a scum way, and i like his war with HF which makes me think town so what changed since this. what makes him a more worthy lynch than alaka/ | ||
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On January 05 2016 04:57 ObviousOne wrote: we lynch slam and then we're back here where we started with no new real information about the game because his filter is a minefield of random tangents and spirit of the chupazi gb flips mafia and we finally get a feel for the larger composition of the scum team based on interactions and reads or we're completely wrong and whatever, scum team are gods, god bless em We have almost 200 pages of information. We don't need to lynch for information. | ||
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On January 05 2016 04:59 ExO_ wrote: I'm sheeping you ritoky so wherever you end today Ill follow why the hell would you do that | ||
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He's riding the wave of your bad townreads on him. | ||
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now i have to drive home. See how easy it was to get a majority on GB? That's because he's town. Ask yourself, who is the scumteam? Most of them are on GB. Switch to alakaslam. This is the last plea I will make. | ||
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On January 05 2016 21:36 Palmar wrote: To be honest, you've been a huge proponent of trusting me to be town throughout the game, why didn't you trust my read on GB? Thinking someone is town is different from thinking their reads are right. Honestly I don't think I even read your case on him. Hubris fucked me over like it always does in this game. | ||
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On January 05 2016 22:50 NocturneMage wrote: Here's an interesting tidbit based on my current bus theory - If Alakaslam flips godfather, 1000% lynch Palmar. no | ||
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On January 05 2016 22:50 NocturneMage wrote: Here's an interesting tidbit based on my current bus theory - If Alakaslam flips godfather, 1000% lynch Palmar. this is tinfoil hat crazy theories. I don't think mafia have complex strategies like convincing the dt to check to godfather. I think they are just trying to not get lynched and not lynch too many of their buddies. | ||
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On January 06 2016 00:10 ExO_ wrote: GB twice called SL and myself town. He also called rayn town (who was town). Scum love to call town as town. I think you want to lynch me because I thought you were scum who talked his was out a lynch. I'm still not 100% sure that isn't the case here. But if you want to omgus lynch me you'll only have 1 more mislynch in the entire game you can make. Unless of course you're scum then killing me is obviously in your favor. So here you are arguming that scum never call other scum town? | ||
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On January 06 2016 05:00 ExO_ wrote: I think kush is probably scum. I know you said without associative reads to Palmar, but if Im operating under the assumption that Palmar is town (which I am right now) then kush town reading him when every other townie who died so far scum read him is suspect. Shining is suspect to me right now. Only 4 pages of filter and is continually in state of "will be trying later". I don't know how much I buy of him being this inactive as town. I think good chance of slam being scum. But its purely based on people im town reading, you and Damdred, driving me that way Now what tinfoil hat theory are you talking about? why couldn't my townread of palmar simply have been right? | ||
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On January 06 2016 06:38 ExO_ wrote: why aren't you scum? What's been your major contribution to town this game? lots of stuff. ask the people who are actually playing. they will all tell you im town. | ||
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On January 06 2016 10:13 Damdred wrote: Why not trfel kush pretty sure he's town | ||
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On January 06 2016 15:22 The Shining wrote: lol I love how according to everyone scumming me, I'm apparently bussing the rest of my team since I share a lot of your reads lolololololololololololololololol I'm not interacting with you because we aren't on at the same time. At this point in the game scum has to bus. Scum is going to have a scumlist that has mostly scum with one or two town thrown in there, just because many of the players left look very town. In the situation where I am scum, wouldn't I also be busing the rest of my team, according to you? | ||
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On January 06 2016 04:17 Alakaslam wrote: Ness did some extremely scummy stuff but he did a towntell. Nobody has been getting this right; I am under scum suspicion not because I have actually done anything people are claiming I did, but because I have been inactive. I hard defended Ness and declared him town. He asked rayn to sum up his reads quickly in one post. He was trying to see if rayn was able to keep track of his reads. For Ness, that was alignment indicative. It's also subtle, admirably so, and I admired him and townread him for it. The problem is, scum players can also remember their own reads. He was unaware of why the high skill level here can appear to be very low to outsiders; We have pretty good scum players here. So I coached him on that, and never pushed him again. This made me question my EXO read, and since he was pretty universally townread, I dropped suspicion on him and thereby lost the ability to figure this one out and by extension lost interest. When I lost the free time and fell behind reading, that didn't help, and when I was being scumread for that I got very disappointed and completely stopped trying. Post game I think it will not be worth trying to point out all the false premises people scumread me under. Game is too big. Making a townread is NAI. I think the real issue with you is you have done nothing to prove your towniness. And you have a severe activity drop off, which objectively makes you more likely to be scum. So if you are town please read a filter or something and give your thoughts. | ||
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And scum gb probably might still hammer a scum alakslam. Or gb might not have voted alaka for the wifom. | ||
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On January 06 2016 13:17 The Shining wrote: See above for why I think NM is possibly likely to be town out of those 6. The only reason he's not in my town list is because I had an initial scumread on Ness and NM has only mentioned me once in his filter, which was to say my Mon/Tues activity, or lack thereof, is NAI. I'm not sure if it's because of my lack of activity, or because he doesn't want to awaken the sleeping beast that is a tryhard town Shining by trying to push me. But he hasn't read me either way and I'd really like him to do so before this phase ends. You don't give reasoning for why NM is most likely town, especially since Ness was a scumread. | ||
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On January 07 2016 07:59 Onegu wrote: I R VT, I mean Cop. I mean I was Rsouls real mason partner, I mean I am JK, I mean I am scum, I mean I am VT. I wont do anything until lylo then I will figure the game out. And you fuckers will listen to me. If you need a list of games this year I have figured the game out once I was in lylo I will provide it. My percentage is IS better than the rest of people in finding scum at lylo. why do you assume town will let this game get to lylo? | ||
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On January 07 2016 05:44 ExO_ wrote: Im playing around with the daily votes and colors right now to see if I can find any trends. So far this is what I've noticed: GB on day 1 voted for townies: (ticktock, Vivax, Holyflare). The only possible bus he could've done would be on NESS (Nocture Mage now) if NM turns out to be scum. If not this means GB didn't bus a single time on day 1. On day 2 GB was on ticktock like everyone else, Day 3 he was on Palmar, and OWS. Looking at this data, I tend to think GB wasn't bussing at all this game. I guess its quite possible he would bus on Day 3 but I don't think so. If Palmar is town and OWS is town then I think it indicates that NM is probably town as well. Since I think Palmar is town and OWS is basically cleared by SL, I tend to think GB never once voted for his scum teammates. Your logic this: 5/6 of GB's scumreads turned out to be town. Therefore, the last scumread is also town. I'd say it makes it more likely for the last scumread to be scum, since scum usually throws in at least some busing especially as the game goes on. So what we have here is bad and possibly opportunistic reasoning. Another interesting tidbits are where noonian songs votes have been Day 1: Briefly Voting for Palmar, ends on Slam Day 2: Votes Self Day 3: Votes Slam Kush has for the most part only been voting for Slam. Like non-stop. Call it confirmation bias, but I think this is scum indicative. Day 1 he's safely on neither wagon, day 2 he votes self (which btw I didn't think was allowed and I didn't even notice). Day 3 again voting for Slam. In the event that Slam flips scum (which I think he will) Kush can say he pushed slam, while at the same time he's stayed way out of the spotlight, voting wise). That's all I got for now, will come back into the thread if I notice anything noteworthy To paraphrase: Voting for alakaslam d1 and d3 is scummy because 1. I can say I pushed scum 2. I stay out of the spotlight. re 1: I can't say i push scum because my scum meta is to bus and that is well known. re 2: Wouldn't voting for TT be staying out of the spotlight? I'd say voting for alakaslam rather than going with the popular wagon puts me more in the spotlight. Additionally, I argued hard d3 to not lynch Palmar or GB. That's not out of the spotlight. | ||
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On January 08 2016 00:26 Palmar wrote: ows is a green check, pay attention pls Assuming there is a GF, there is a 25% chance that a red will give a green check. I agree we should go for other mafia first. But I think there's a good chance he's scum. | ||
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I think I'm changing my mind on Exo. Because I think you, nm, are town, and it woudn't make sense for Exo to town you like that. You are one of scum's biggest mislynch targets. | ||
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On January 08 2016 02:07 Damdred wrote: Exo v Shining looks town vs town as I read it. So yeah both of them going bro fuck you for misunderstanding and getting emo looks town. I like that read. Both can go back to lock town. Which makes the game harder because I want to town read nm also. ows off the table today but possible scum still hrm. Then got the group of oo, palmar, ritoky, kush, slam. The way we are voting is a bit nerve racking with everyone piling up but I can't really contest slam I've seen him just leave like this as town and scum which makes this suck even more. Why is onegu clear? | ||
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On January 08 2016 02:21 Damdred wrote: I don't think scum onegu goes 1 v 1 at that point. 1V1 like a claim? There's no legit claim though. | ||
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On January 08 2016 02:26 Damdred wrote: What are you on about kush he did claim something his target flipped green highly likely to be shot or lynched the next day. If he's scum he trades himself 1 v 1 with tt. So he lied about it. And you still think he's town. How was that a 1v1 | ||
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On January 08 2016 02:34 Damdred wrote: what's the point of your inane questioning again? I'm trying to get you to unclear onegu. | ||
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Moosey wasn't a hard townread. He wanted to shoot an unreadable. | ||
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oo ows onegu alakaslam who are all basically lynch bait. Must be wrong. I probably towned EXO too easily today. NM does have a sick scum game as evidenced from that last newbie but this looks different. | ||
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On January 08 2016 08:13 Damdred wrote: It's easy for this train of thought when the cop is dead. But it's much better for scum team if SL isn't cop to have the wifom still going on. Good point | ||
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On January 05 2016 22:50 NocturneMage wrote: Here's an interesting tidbit based on my current bus theory - If Alakaslam flips godfather, 1000% lynch Palmar. Dunno I think this might look worse for nm than palmar. | ||
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On January 08 2016 08:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote: This might be valuable information though. I know for a fact Palmar hates checking lynchbait so him saying this and Slam consequently flipping godfather looks pretty significant. o rly? why would you hate checking lynchbait... lynchbait seems like the perfect thing to check. | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:28 Palmar wrote: everyone should always sheep me btw, because clearly I am mafia and I am going to lynch my entire team for being baddies. The only effect you've had on lynches was switching from mafia to mafia. How does that prove you're townie? | ||
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You directed checking slam. You are known to not like checking lynchbait players according to ows. | ||
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Nk prediction... Obi duh. Or maybe Damdred to avoid the jk? So oo, onegu, one of exo and shining. That's where am at right now. | ||
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I'm thinking onegu/exo/shining/ritoky as possibilities. | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:26 The Shining wrote: We could always lynch kush for wanting a plynch with 1 ml left and not reacting to OO or trying to solve the game. His POE was oo, onegu, me. OO claim is solid to this point and he wants a plynch on onegu instead of trying to ml me, even though I've been scum forever to him. i was kidding about plynching onegu. i think. | ||
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I didn't react to OO.. what's to react to. He's confirmed town unless we get a CC today. You want me to say "OH SHIT MY POE WAS WRONG"? What is scummy about me wanting to lynch onegu over you? (not that I do want to do that) I haven't been exactly scum forever on you. I've been wavering between you and exo being scum or not for the past several days. | ||
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On January 09 2016 07:59 NocturneMage wrote: Null – Complete Tossup Kush – Reconsidered after the bussing Slam argument and hard defence of two mafia. Not outside the possibility that he could have been tricked by Palmar. Reads don’t look organic, and not sure why he’d “ask” for towncred after the Slam lynch. However, interactions with Noon when I replaced in I really felt were townie. Exo, I will defend myself from this because you wanted me to. Since when did I hard defend two mafia! I only hard defended one, geez. Oh I guess that's under the assumption that palmar is mafia lol. I didn't mean to ask for towncred after the slam lynch. That was just a joke/brag. | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:55 The Shining wrote: If oo is confirmed town, you're wrong on at least 1 of your POE. Instead of trying to reconsider, or make any sort of case for why onegu or myself are scum, you resort to suggesting a plynch late in the game, then backtrack and say you're not serious. You think. So what do you gain from posting any of that? You scummed me after our interaction d1/n1, can't remember, but it was Damn early and only recently started to waffle between exo and myself. But I've been in a bunch of your poe lately, which makes me wonder why you'd mention a plynch instead of casing scum. And you rushing me to respond to you is trash, since my last response was to Damdred and was a post before yours. I'm phone posting, I'm not going to immediately respond to everything at once. you need to chill out bro. We can be friends and still be on opposite alignments, right? ya sorry I rushed you. I thought you ignored me. Yes I realize my PoE from earlier is wrong. You wanted me to post another one right away? That would have made me look townier? "let's plynch onegu" - You are implying that I was serious. Can you think a few levels deep on this one and reconsider? You ask, what do I gain from posting that? Nothing. But what do I gain as scum? Also nothing. Obviously people aren't going to want to "plynch" this late in the game. So that wording had to be snarky and not genuine. Do I want to lynch onegu over you or exo? I don't know. Right now I'm thinking you are the best lynch and I might have to hard defend exo today. But I'm not sure before I filter dive or talk to you guys more. | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:25 ExO_ wrote: Onegu Kush Damdred -- Town OO -- Town ExO -- Town Ritoky OWS -- Town Shining -- Town Palmar 3 scum slots for 4 players: Palmar/Ritoky/Kush/Onegu Out of these 3 names, there are 4 scum. And I guess there's an incredibly off chance Damdred is scum. If he is scum, he fooled me well. WHy is shining for likely town than damdred? | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:28 The Shining wrote: (1)Why are you concerned with what would make you look townier if you think I'm scum? (2)You also didn't say plynching was a joke until you were called on it. It could very well have been a temperature check to see if anyone would roll onboard with it and lynch onegu. That's what you gain as scum. And no, nothing is obvious when I've seen town do pretty dumb things before. I guess we can talk more after you filter dive, or have anything else to add. (3)I do find it interesting that you don't comment on me being right about you claiming I was scum since our first interaction, though, then subsequently waffling. I added numbers to your quote. 1 I am concerned with what YOU think would make me look townier because I am concerned with what YOU think would makes me look scummy. I am trying to see if your reads look genuine or made up. So why is it scummy that I did not list a PoE right after flip? is what im trying to get at. Why would it have been townier if I had? 2 In your experience, do people usually label their jokes? "Let's plynch onegu." "BTW guys that was a joke lol" 3 that is a completely accurate description of my read towards you this game. It makes me scummy how? | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:25 ExO_ wrote: Onegu Kush Damdred -- Town OO -- Town ExO -- Town Ritoky OWS -- Town Shining -- Town Palmar 3 scum slots for 4 players: Palmar/Ritoky/Kush/Onegu Out of these 3 names, there are 4 scum. And I guess there's an incredibly off chance Damdred is scum. If he is scum, he fooled me well. omg i fucked up saying this 2 times lol. Why is shining more likely town than damdred? | ||
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Exo has said a lot of shit that has made me think he's town, too, though. You want specifics? I cant really give them atm. So who the fuck is scum them... palmar or ritoky or some shit. but i townread them too. so basically I'm lost until I put some more time into this game. I should probably shut up until I do that but im drunk. | ||
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On January 09 2016 11:57 ritoky wrote: oo, why did you claim 4 minutes before the phase change? why threaten your own safety if the mafia team is paying attention at the deadline when you can claim 4 minutes later and not risk death/town losing the chance to extend the game? how can the claim be false? | ||
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On January 09 2016 13:01 ritoky wrote: what does he have to lose in that scenario? he is getting lynched, so he claims jk (maybe as rc). if everyone buys it and jk doesn't cc's (which they shouldn't) the mafia pulls their teammate who was going to get lynched off the table. if the jk ccs they identify and eliminate the only way town can extend the game. you should not be blindly buying that claim. jk should deifnitely CC. we don't need a jk as much as we need to hit scum. | ||
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1 lylo 2 JK might get lynched. And we kill OO only whne 1 JK ccs 2 JK gets nked | ||
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On January 09 2016 11:57 ritoky wrote: oo, why did you claim 4 minutes before the phase change? why threaten your own safety if the mafia team is paying attention at the deadline when you can claim 4 minutes later and not risk death/town losing the chance to extend the game? either way, what is the point of pushing him like this? nothing says or does matters anymore | ||
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Although I think OWS is a check. It's not just that one quote. obi- your just gonna have to trust me on this one. I have played alot of games with him and for him his contributions are huge and knowledgeable And we both know OWS's contributions aren't huge and knowledgeable so this must be a check. | ||
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I really need to filter exo before I can put my vote on him. It might be pretty close to EoD though. I'm in three games right now, two on this site, which was a terrible idea. It's fine during the week because most days at work I have time to fuck around but during the weekend I'm always doing shit so it's hard for me to participate in even one. | ||
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so we kill one today and the other tomorrow if the first flips scum? | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:14 The Shining wrote: Please tell me you mean kill the other tomorrow if the first flips town like Wtf why are you so bad in the last few mins typo lol. OR WAS IT A SCUMSLIP?! | ||
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On January 11 2016 09:29 ExO_ wrote: I think scum has the game in the bag now. Town has to work together perfectly from this point on, and the fact that coag is confirmed town means we're just about fucked. Like seriously out of everyone this game fuck coag. Confirmed town but can't be arsed to play. And I'm about 95% sure he's going to choose the wrong lynch vote at lylo. :/ huh? coag not being active doesn't matter. we have to pick the correct lynch is all. I don't see how coag being active would necessarily help that. him being conf town does help us though. | ||
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Five possible scum. I Trust thAt I am town, palmar is town and Damdred is town. Kush Damdred onegu shining exo palmar So 2 of exo shining onegu have to be scum. Thats a pretty easy call. | ||
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On January 12 2016 03:30 ExO_ wrote: Right because shining decided to lead a mislynch on the JK thereby "saving me" his scum buddy right? So you trying to say shining is town for mislynching the JK? I don't get what you're saying here. | ||
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On January 12 2016 11:39 The Shining wrote: So I wanted to bus ritoky when he wasn't really on the table over ExO and before he ever CC'd OO? What is the risk in bussing ritoky though when he wasn't really on the table anyway? | ||
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On January 12 2016 08:54 ExO_ wrote: Well Damdred I hope you can convince them I'm town. Otherwise it's gg scum wins. God I hope Palmar is town, pushes my lynch, and loses because of it. that's a townie sentiment for revenge | ||
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Your argument hinges on onegu thinking it would be a 1v1, but he probably knew it wouldn't be. Add to that the fact that onegu has fake claimed as mafia before. I think koshi said that. Also ritoky townread onegu (this was before ritoky fake claimed) for not being joyful. This meta tone read is an easy way for ritoky to townread his scumbuddy. | ||
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Shit players like me and onegu do that as scum sometimes. Just do something that makes no sense. Its a lot easier than making content that looks townie. | ||
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And shining, nothing is Scummy about having doubts | ||
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I was probably just towbreading you too easily like I did to gb except with you I happened to be right. | ||
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On January 12 2016 11:39 The Shining wrote: So I wanted to bus ritoky when he wasn't really on the table over ExO and before he ever CC'd OO? Nah. W/e. I cba to argue with town that doesn't want to figure this game out and can't get their heads out of their asses...I mean tunnels. I'll post a case next night phase. Bye. Shining let go of your anger towards me please. I don't mean to make you mad and no i'm not a trillion percent sure obviously. I'm just trying to figure this game out and you are my best guess right now. YOu didn't respond to me earlier when I askedf you about this. Essentially you are trying to gain towncred from busing ritoky "when he wasn't really on the table." Why does that prove you are town when like you said he wasn't on the table so there was no risk? | ||
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On January 13 2016 01:11 nooniansoong wrote: that's a townie sentiment for revenge admittedly that's not super strong On January 13 2016 02:25 nooniansoong wrote: But it's not a 1 for 1 because onegu is still alive. Your argument hinges on onegu thinking it would be a 1v1, but he probably knew it wouldn't be. Add to that the fact that onegu has fake claimed as mafia before. I think koshi said that. Also ritoky townread onegu (this was before ritoky fake claimed) for not being joyful. This meta tone read is an easy way for ritoky to townread his scumbuddy. that's the "case" against onegu. Basically he's done nothing townie. Fake claiming means nothing. It could even be scummy since he's done it before as scum (says koshi?). Ritoky's read of him looks like scum/scum. | ||
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On January 14 2016 22:28 Onegu wrote: Wow it is Exo Kush scum team. Kush changes his scum read on Exo to town with no reason given. He has a post saying exo is scum with either me or shining as final scum. Then drops scum read on Exo for no reason. onegu i had a reason. It's just kind of bad. See above. | ||
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On January 15 2016 01:18 Palmar wrote: tinfoil says I'm only alive because mafia team is actually onegu/damdred Why the he'll,would the scumteam kill you over confirmed town? | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:30 The Shining wrote: Nope. Im switching to OO. Ritoky switching offensively makes much more sense. You don't try to defend or protect someone who fake ccs and gets a blue role lynched. More evidence of shining doing Scummy things | ||
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On January 09 2016 10:14 The Shining wrote: Consider me bad for asking this but why does ritoky being scum implicate Onegu? Translation : damn Damdred howd you know | ||
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I'm not really sure on Slam, I was willing to sheep onto him before Palmars case on GB and after reading what NM said about GB not voting Slam to save himself being telling, I found myself agreeing with it so I think Slam could be scum. I still haven't felt any better about his whole anger outburst and calling me out for being Eastern =| Wishy washiness on slam. Also the eastern thing is fake as hell. | ||
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damdred - 18 pages me - 15 pages exo - 15 pages shining - 10 pages onegu - 6 pages | ||
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On January 15 2016 03:41 Damdred wrote: Shining is town the way ritoky treated him plus my read he's basically confirmed. activity isn't alignment indicative of either of them why? ritoky can't bus? especially when shining had no chance of being lynched when he did it, which means zero risk. also your read on him is based on your own arrogance and nothing else. | ||
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On January 15 2016 04:59 The Shining wrote: This is one of my largest filters on any town game. Bad read is bad. I'm lynching no one but kush tomorrow oh? any of the other games as big as this one and lasted as long? lemme answer for you. nope. | ||
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So the fact that I'm reading your filter and trying makes you scumread me more? That doesn't make sense to me. Why does it make me scum that I suspect you? | ||
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On January 15 2016 04:58 The Shining wrote: I think slam could be scum. Yup so wishy washy Your words were exactly "I'm not really sure on Slam" | ||
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On January 15 2016 05:56 The Shining wrote: Ippo was just as big and lasted longer but I was NKd. The whole point is, my filters are always small and using it as something alignment indicative is horrible it's not horrible. it's not definitive either but it's just one of many things. | ||
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so yes i did go through your filter after i decided you were scum. Yes my reads have been changing a lot and they may still do so. That's not scummy. It's townie. I don't know who scum is and im trying to figure it out. | ||
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On January 15 2016 06:03 The Shining wrote: And in that same paragraph, "after reading what NM said about GB not voting Slam to save himself being telling, I found myself agreeing with it so I think Slam could be scum." You are just picking and choosing shit to fit your narrative of me being scum and ignoring everything else, even within the same post. You're really reaching and it's sad. "i think slam could be scum" is still wishy washy in that you aren't commiting to lynch slam or not. anyway where's palmar and exo.. also damdred want to help with some ideas? | ||
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On January 15 2016 06:26 The Shining wrote: Nah you just sound like you don't believe your reads. I know it must be hard to do as scum. Just look at how you're interacting with me. You say you've caught scum in me, yet you're talking to me trying to convince me you're not scum and that I am. If you truly believed I'm scum, you wouldn't be trying to explain to me what makes you townie. and no. you had me as townie for a while then back as scum when i started to suspect you. That is omgus. I want to understand your suspicion of me so that I can figure out if it's coming from town or scum. It's not about convincing you that I'm town. | ||
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Can you show me something that might convince me of your towniness? Or is there an IRL reason why you sucked (no offense) this game? Like the game was so big and you didn't read it? | ||
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i'm not concerned with what i look like. im concerned with how you see me. cause that is something that could help me read you. | ||
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and that had reasons. | ||
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I was thinking of the game Newbie Student Mafia XVIII which you replaced into. | ||
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but ok it is understandable what you say. This was a really shitty game. And it bodes well for your alignment that you are in the thread having this long ass conversation with me. | ||
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On January 15 2016 08:16 Damdred wrote: So why isn't it palmar or exo here kush? for many little reasons most of them probably bad. | ||
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And since then I've just assumed he's town and haven't thought of him any further.w Exo, ummm, he said "i hope you're town so I can laugh at you after the game" somtehing like that. That made me townread him because that is a very townie mindset. | ||
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On January 12 2016 08:54 ExO_ wrote: Well Damdred I hope you can convince them I'm town. Otherwise it's gg scum wins. God I hope Palmar is town, pushes my lynch, and loses because of it. this quote. but yeah can u really townread someone for that..? | ||
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On January 16 2016 05:20 Onegu wrote: I am around. I am working on something special. does it conclude that i'm scum? | ||
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Palmar's town, Damdred's town. From filter length alone but so many other things as well. So out of Onegu, Shining, Exo, it's really hard to pick the right two. Especially since Onegu has very little content. That's why Exo really needs to be here and make himself seem town. So Exo where the fuck are you. | ||
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On January 16 2016 09:10 Damdred wrote: Thing is if it'd kush/Onegu which is possible they would have to be doing a strange double bus and hope we go for exo for real you think shining is off the table... | ||
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On December 28 2015 01:58 ExO_ wrote: I don't think rsoultin breadcrumbed coag. No mention of anything remotely related to him until after somebody else mentions it in the thread. then she hops right onto the idea that she breadcrumbed him. I don't believe rsoultin/coag are masons. I don't necessarily think they are scum buddies either. I think a huge variety of things could be happening here. but when rsoultin has been accused of being scum so far she kinda just goes "shrug nothing I can do to convince you guys". So I think rsoultin is scum, and coag is some non-scum role kinda just piggy bagging off rsoultin's "bread crumbing" to make up for his lack of posting. I don't get the coag part. Why would town pretend to be masons with someone to make up for his lack of posting.. | ||
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On January 16 2016 09:47 Damdred wrote: Actually yes I do. I'm not lynching shining at all ever and scum probably shoots me for it if we make it past today. Which would be good, if shining is scum he has totally destroyed his meta game and I would be impressed which leaves me with a much small pool to go into scum is going to shoot you regardless because you are universally the most townread person. don't be dumb. In what way has he destroyed his meta game? What's his scum meta like? | ||
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On January 16 2016 10:33 Damdred wrote: Totally unemotional towards anything going on in the game. Uninvolved drops things to a lesser degree doesn't bus basically. As town he's generally hyper emotional and super tilts. Good thoughts and generally ok activity. And before its asked this is decent shining activity. fine ill trust you on this. better than palmar's reasoning for townreading exo. plus it would match ritoky's reads if he wasn't busing. | ||
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On January 17 2016 15:56 Onegu wrote: @ Kush. I am a married man with kids. lol i know lol | ||
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doesn't onegu fake claiming here disprove this? | ||
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