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On December 24 2015 01:36 Half the Sky wrote: Looks like one more is needed. Holiday until next week so sitting it out. GL HF and welcome back Holyflare. Something told me you wouldn't be gone too long. Only here because I had to spend my annual leave :/ | ||
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On December 27 2015 06:26 Fecalfeast wrote: Alright After doing the math it seems that EoD2 will be on new years eve and EoN2 on new years day. So I'm going to postpone the start date one day. Sunday, Dec 27 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) is the new start time Just pause the game halfway through the cycle on New Year's Eve. | ||
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On December 27 2015 08:12 N e s s wrote: Alright, i'm just going to assume this started for now. Also, i can't understand why lynching Mooseydoosey is a good idea what so ever. Why would you lynch someone not even an hour into Day 1? But, nevertheless heres a few questions to get the ball rolling. Answer these questions. How much mafia experience do you have? I have played atleast 10 games up to this point. How many times have you been mafia in your mafia meta? twice, won both times. If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand, but right now basically nobody. I haven't read back. If you saw 3 buttons, 1 being green, 1 being yellow, and 1 being red, which would you push? I'd push green. Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two: 1) If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand, but right now basically nobody. I haven't read back. At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything. Furthermore I have qualms with the second half of the statement: Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand You have a list of four questions and they are all designed as you have said: On December 27 2015 08:17 N e s s wrote: It actually can be used later on in game, collecting answers usually helps me. but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all. If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for. Can you please answer the following for me? 1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions? 2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal? 3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square? | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:22 ritoky wrote: are you really scum reading the guy with 0 posts prior to this game who posted useless stuff and did a jester speculation in an open setup? REALLY? dumb=/=scum; that guy is ML bait for days. Perhaps defending the person that has a voice of their own and can respond how he or she pleases is not the best strategy in a game based on lack of information. Your argument is a classic misrepresentation and exaggeration of the situation, we have simply proposed questions to a person questioning how their strategy would come to fruition. He has also played mafia in other locations which may or may not come in to play. Why are you so eager to jump to this person's defence? I for one would like to hear his responses. | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: HF why do you make a massive case on town, then vote Vivax? I'm going to ignore your wording there but the reason is quite simple, I haven't heard a response from the player I'm questioning yet and he's new whereas Vivax is someone I have played with and his responses or lack thereof are far more concerning. On December 27 2015 09:32 Vivax wrote: To me he still is pretty null, easy to make posts They are both posts that say absolutely nothing and weigh in to no debate whatsoever, I don't see Vivax sidelining in this situation at all I'd at least expect a reaction to something or an inquisitive line of thought. | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:42 ritoky wrote: because how many games in a row is it where we have a new player who enters in; says some dumb shit that is very obviously town and then people spend days babbling over how they could be mafia when they just aren't. last game was shapelog, game before that was moosy, game before that was cephiro. i know this is hard for you since you're out of practice and a firm believer in dumb=scum; but that ness guy is like always town. I don't intend to spend days babbling over it but I don't want to eliminate a player because of your feeling that his newness and dumbness leads to him being town. Let's not forget how easily you've overlooked people in the past because of complacency and neglect . #Hearthstone2014 Either way, it's not something I want to dwell on, he either responds well or doesn't, plenty more to look at either way. I'd suggest not defending him though because if you're keen to say that GB looks mafia-ish then him dwelling on these little things would be very indicative instead of closing all the doors before it's happened. You should vote Vivax with me | ||
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On December 27 2015 10:05 Koshi wrote: To honor the last good big game I played I will post 2 riddles here as well. The first one to get both answers right will never be voted by me (till D4) and gets 1 wish to be used during the game. Wishing for multiple wishes is not allowed. Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day. 1) First riddle setup: - People can only look forward. - People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed) - People got told there are 2 black hats and 1 white hat OR there are 2 white hats and 1 black hat. goal: - A person needs to correctly yell out the color of his hat. If he can do that all 3 are spared. (so black or white is the first word anybody can say) question: - How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously) 2) second riddle setup: - People can only look forward. - People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed) - People get told they have either a black hat or a white hat on their head. goal: - Yell out the color of your hat. Out of the 9 people max 1 person can be wrong. In this riddle person 1 starts, then 2, 3, 4, etc till 9. question: - How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously) + Show Spoiler + 1) If the back person sees two of the same colour hat then the puzzle is easy and he can say the opposite. If he sees two different colours such as the picture then he should stay silent which indicates to the second person that there are two different colours. The person in front will be able to see the colour and so can yell out the colour on the top of his head easily. In your picture it would be: Back person: *Silence* Middle person: "Hmm the person in front of me is a white hat which must mean my hat is black!" 2) Are they allowed to formulate a plan beforehand? | ||
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On December 27 2015 10:56 Koshi wrote: It is hard to type out these riddles correctly. :/ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?page=18#351 | ||
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On December 27 2015 10:59 sicklucker wrote: So my hf read is he comes in with his first post to discredit the new player. Then his procedding posts are all about discrediting other town reads. Standard mafia stuff good equity there I'm not sure I follow your logic here. If you want to continue down this line of reasoning I suggest we bring forward your only posts of the game so far: On December 27 2015 08:49 sicklucker wrote: this is a dumb angle since we all know each other and dont. Here is a smart angle, what is your mafia experience? On December 27 2015 10:50 sicklucker wrote: how in gods name can that be interpreted as an "attack" You only have two posts that really have any content in them and both of them are pointless posts directed towards the player that you are accusing me of attacking. If I am guilty of discrediting the new player (I'm not even sure how I am doing that) then please elaborate how your plan of play was any different and why it makes our alignments different in this situation? I have left open ended questions for the player to answer as my concerns are valid, if you would like to prove that my concerns are not in fact valid you are welcome to quote those posts and explain them. My vote is currently on Vivax who has done nothing despite being around and you have not commented on that though, please alter this situation and make your thoughts on him known. | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:00 Koshi wrote: Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day. first one is correct Since they can come up with a plan beforehand and I presume that they can hear every other person's response then they should formulate the plan that the person with the perfect information (Number 1 in the picture) should sacrifice himself to relay that information to everyone else. The strategy should be that player 1 says "Black" if he can see an even amount of black hats or "White" if he can see an odd amount of black hats. This way if person 1 is wrong then everyone else can determine the colour of their hat based on how many of each colour they can see and the person 1's fate. The situation would go as follows: As person 1 can only see 5 black hats then he should exclaim the aforementioned planned phrase of, "White". Person 1 does not explode as he has a white hat. Person 2 now knows there are an odd amount of black hats as Person 1 did not die but can only see 4 black hats, he therefore knows that he has a black hat and shouts, "Black". | ||
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I had a similar puzzle in a Phoenix Wright/Professor Layton game but this one was a bit harder I admit. | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:14 N e s s wrote: ^^your long posts remind me a bit of someone i play with Town reads-HolyFlare, Aramis or whoever you say his username. But Ness! Shouldn't there be more town reads? To be blunt, i'm lazy. I'm diabetic and i'm at 340 (which is bad.) I'll go back and do more later, thats just the majority of whom i think is town atm. How come you said you were spending a lot of time writing a defence which never came to fruition? Please refer to this post and answer it when you are home, ignore everything else for a while: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?page=15#296 | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:52 Holyflare wrote: I'm going to ignore your wording there but the reason is quite simple, I haven't heard a response from the player I'm questioning yet and he's new whereas Vivax is someone I have played with and his responses or lack thereof are far more concerning. They are both posts that say absolutely nothing and weigh in to no debate whatsoever, I don't see Vivax sidelining in this situation at all I'd at least expect a reaction to something or an inquisitive line of thought. He has been present since then and is only concerned with Koshi's riddle in the meantime. As another candidate I also think GB could be mafia; His posts towards N E S S were barebones and unable to really follow up on anything meaningful and his suspicion has seemingly been dropped off the planet since then, he was in fact more concerned with being accused by rsoultin and trying to get her to change her mind rather than following up with N E S S: It's not an attempt to discredit, dear. I think you are wrong instead of Mafia, and knowing that you were wrong on me before reinforces the perspective where you're town here. And, since you usually can read me well, I'm not worried about a read you have on the first hours of the game. There is plenty of time until you can correctly read me. On December 27 2015 10:47 GlowingBear wrote: Like, dear, the way you inquired me about my lack of reaction in you scum reading me felt townie. You call me Mafia, I don't OMGUS, you find it weird and you decide to investigate this better. I can see a person trying to confirm suspicions on my alignment rather than trying to force a wagon on me. Also, if you were Mafia, I don't think you would risk getting tunneled by me like that. You could simply town read me and go after a better target. The rest of his posts are very empty and just questions that do not lead anything such as: "Why do you think that?" "Elaborate," "Calm down." This speaks of a GB who wants to be friends with everyone rather than a GB that wants to solve the game IMO. Things may change, they may not, GB I am on to you. | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: No. Its actually his problem. Abd by blowing your smurf you earned my vote. Shit. Cheap. Crap. Die. Kush hasn't revealed anything, he has already said his smurf name pre-game in the Newbie game: On December 22 2015 10:11 nooniansoong wrote: /in this is kush | ||
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A gunsmith gives a gun to a player at night. A RC is a role cop and can determine a player's role each night. | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:40 ExO_ wrote: does he give a gun with 2 shots, or 2 guns each with 1 shot? Yes. + Show Spoiler + He can use his ability twice so he hands out a 1-shot gun each night. | ||
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Are you or are you not concerned about the responses of your initial scum read? To me it looks like you want to take him to a nice spa and give him a massage while you regale him with tales of your youthful antics. You haven't questioned N E S S at all. | ||
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On December 27 2015 12:01 GlowingBear wrote: I didn't? I am questioning and I'm also letting you question him and evaluating what has been said. I asked him for his scum reads, he picked sicklucker. He said he was going to give his town reads later, and you asked a good question about his defense which has yet to be answered. I'm waiting for it. Meanwhile I am trying to gather informstion about other players. So what if I ask him to calm down? I don't know his alignment and he has a chance on being town legit upset. I don't understand why I can't be kind to a newbie even when I have a slight scum read on him I am placated by your response for now and question why you are not lynching Vivax with me or Ticktock with Rayn. | ||
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On December 27 2015 12:05 Koshi wrote: Why would anybody use a smurf instead of his main account? Sense it makes none. On December 22 2015 08:42 kushm4sta wrote: dude actually i want to smurf because kush is inappropes for work | ||
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On December 27 2015 12:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: To further my case; TicTock was more interested in talking about his townreads (which he claimed are not really town reads) instead of his scumreads. As scumreads he just pointed out (easy) names. I am on board with a TickTock lynch as well as Vivax, especially Vivax. | ||
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On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote: Alrighty! So, heres my defense. First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum. Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on. http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7 You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time. ...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this- Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose. this. this rubs me the wrong way. 1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical. Smh answered those first 2 already. but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest. But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all. + Show Spoiler [My response] + I like these responses. No further questions your honor. To answer some of your queries though, I mentioned MoosyDoosy because you had bolded 4 questions but seemed concerned about why people were voting Moosy (game relevant information), I would have thought that question would have been a 5th bolded question since it was game relevant and not an afterthought in one of your bolded questions or later. Also at the time there were no answers to it you just said you use the information later and I couldn't see how you would use the colour of someone's choice over the game relevant information. And while yes your first two questions were "analytical" they were questions that anybody could ask and weren't showing insight into information that had popped up. GB can you elaborate on why you refuse to want to lynch Vivax? He has dodged every situation and game relevant scenario to do nothing and somehow that makes you not want to lynch him, the player who doesn't really play as mafia? | ||
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You can also vote for Vivax or explain why you aren't for free bonus points. Which everyone else should be doing too. | ||
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On December 27 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote: I'm kinda sad hf isn't lobbying for me to vote vivax yet, ignored and alone rip. But seriously I'm not entirely sure that bivax is a good lynch at this moment You should be voting for Vivax. | ||
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If you're not sure just think about this, Vivax is known to play harder under threat of being lynched if he's town. If he's mafia you'll be following me to victory. There is no downside to voting Vivax. | ||
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On December 27 2015 14:19 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote Vivax Now that I can't scumread HF I guess I have to work with him you da real MVP | ||
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I think it's funny you want to get rid of trash but are happy to let Vivax play the same way. You also keep repeatedly mentioning me to blatantly discredit everything I say but never interacting with my posts to explain your read, how did I "Discredit multiple town reads," when you yourself were questioning the same thing from N E S S? | ||
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On December 27 2015 22:40 Vivax wrote: I don't believe the kush smurf is actually kush, i would never expect kush to enter the game "hey folks im gonna work on my read accuracy", as if kush ever cared about such a thing. Kush is like the joker he just does stuff This is a blatant post that much like TickTock proves that Vivax wasn't reading the thread AT ALL and just jumped on something that his defender (SL) was posting because SL wasn't also reading the thread. Nobody even jumped on this. People not reading the thread: TickTock, SL, Vivax | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing is the master conspiracy theorist Vivax could easily make this post as town even if he read the post where kush says he is kush (well he actually read the post, otherwise he couldn't make the post he did in the first place). I don't know where you are coming from with this? What the hell are you talking about if he was reading the thread he'd see me linking both the newbie game where Kush says he is Noonian in pre-game twice and also the post where I tell you that it's not a big surprise he's Kush because of the last two posts. Have you been hit with a stupid stick all of a sudden? Sicklucker defends Vivax --> Vivax says something that makes Sicklucker defend him more (something SL has been repeating multiple times because he's an idiot) --> more SL defending Vivax. AKA Vivax just wants to survive and do shit all, he's not doing anything at all and I'm not letting it slide (Well TT also valid lynch). | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:43 sicklucker wrote: thats the whole fucking point man. vivax can fake being town for 1 day. but he cant really do it for two or three days .At the same time people like to bandwagon on him day 1 before that easy read comes into effect. So you wait a day or two and you get a 99% vivax mafia flip rather then lynch him now for a 40-50% flip. and you can take out the trash you can never read now. I have a good history of lynching mafia Vivax, your points are irrelevant. On December 27 2015 13:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you just selectively decided to read some of my posts and not all of them? Why? ^ Rayn it's pretty much the exact same thing you questioned TT for I don't see why you have a huge problem understanding Vivax doing it? | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am saying he has obviously seen this because he KNOWS kush has claimed kush, otherwise he couldn't have known, right? So your argument that he isn't reading the thread is incorrect by default. If he believes it is actually kush or not is another thing, but it doesn't mean he is not reading the thread --- in fact it points to the opposite. It's hilarious that you think not reading the thread means reading absolutely 0 of it -.- It's quite clearly a skim the thread into post whatever looks good to appease people or bolster people town reading him aka what TickTock was doing to you "Oh you have the same read as me why are you scum reading me!" and what Vivax is doing to SL. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:55 Vivax wrote: That sounds like the mafia strat to go for this game Are you gonna continue playing like trash? What happened to you Vivax, total disappointment. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:57 Damdred wrote: So kush is now a good lynch to a point. Also...shining could be a good lynch If anyone cares what I think Why aren't you interacting with me to get a better read on me since I'm not in any of your lists? :/ | ||
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On December 28 2015 01:06 Damdred wrote: I have a town read on you. And I'm not really invested in this game tbh. On December 27 2015 12:27 Damdred wrote: Man tt post was bad. Rayn totes town so now I can sound board off him without butting heads. I think koshi and exo are town also. So town: exo, ness, truffle, art, koshi, RS, rayn, ritoky, still town lean: tt what do you think of that list besides tt for you rayn? On December 28 2015 00:38 Damdred wrote: Hf called me awful and didn't get my joke: (. Anyway Tt postings since opening have been bad but such a small sample size. I see bad posting Tt to be more town than scum though and need to see where he foes before I finalize. On December 27 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote: I'm kinda sad hf isn't lobbying for me to vote vivax yet, ignored and alone rip. But seriously I'm not entirely sure that bivax is a good lynch at this moment but that doesn't appear anywhere in your posts and in fact you seem wary of me? Why do you town read me? | ||
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On December 28 2015 01:10 Coagulation wrote: So im town ask me questions. people I would like to see die in order of deadest. alakaslam > reduce thread reading time in half. artanis > for lulz but what does your mason partner want? | ||
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On December 28 2015 01:52 N e s s wrote: This post is scummy imo. Scum Ticktock Exo Ticktock isn't focused in the game at all, he even said it as a post, and that post of his above is making me think he's scum. And Exo because i thought he was town earlier in game, but to me him getting mad is more of him going all Gung Ho on everybody. But if vivax ever makes a defense, i'm going to change my vote to TickTock. ummmmmmmmmm, so you're giving him a free pass? | ||
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On December 28 2015 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Please explain what happened then. yeh this was super wrong btw | ||
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On December 28 2015 01:58 ExO_ wrote: I don't think rsoultin breadcrumbed coag. No mention of anything remotely related to him until after somebody else mentions it in the thread. then she hops right onto the idea that she breadcrumbed him. I don't believe rsoultin/coag are masons. I don't necessarily think they are scum buddies either. I think a huge variety of things could be happening here. but when rsoultin has been accused of being scum so far she kinda just goes "shrug nothing I can do to convince you guys". So I think rsoultin is scum, and coag is some non-scum role kinda just piggy bagging off rsoultin's "bread crumbing" to make up for his lack of posting. so then the real 2 masons just out and we have 2 mafia.... don't think that's a good plan exo | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what GlowingBear did: Scumreads Ness for asking useless questions. HF agrees with GB (but somehow still scumreads him?!?!?). Makes a "better" post on Ness. GB waits for Ness to answer HF's post (gets scumread for it too obvs...) Focuses on other things (gets scumread for it....). Ness answers. Ness' answer doesn't please GB (gets scumread for it too..) GB asks a follow up question -- reads. Ness gives basically nothing... GB asks another legit question. Ness answers basically nothing. GB still scumreads him (gets scumread for that one too.-...) Something is really fucking wrong here. I scum read N E S S initially and didn't scum read GB but then the more ness posted the more he looked town and then GB's questions which you quote above looked worse and worse because asking about the moosy wagon was a question I asked already in my long post, GB was not going anywhere with his questioning and rehashing what I had already stated, Ness answered and GB did not bother to follow up or mention it while I was still questioning ness about stuff and I thought that was suspicious and I even highlighted that in my post on GB which multiple people stated similar reasoning for agreeing with (rsoul et al). I said I was placated with GB when he highlighted other stuff meaning he was no longer a real scum read. So to say GB was scum read throughout by me wasn't really what was happening and if you say you meant other people then that was a legitimate scum read because I shared similar sentiment at the time. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:12 ExO_ wrote: Why should the mason's speak up? On this forum, I think it'd be more likely that 2 people who are VT fake claim mason rather than actual masons claim on day 1. I don't think that's the case here, but it's not impossible. What I don't think happened is rsoultin as a mason bread crumbed her mason buddy in this manner. I think you're entirely on the wrong train of thought, rsoultin would absolutely breadcrumb like this because she's done the same thing before, it is also incredibly out of the blue for rsoultin to just randomly pick coagulation as a mason buddy to randomly put in a town list too, too many things don't add up. I don't think they are VT and I think you are following an end that has no real goal here. I think you should focus on other things and question people you scum read that aren't coag/based on something silly. You seem to have a problem with my posts and questions that seemingly lead nowhere (I'm pretty sure I've made cases on both vivax and GB early game) and I'd like you to point out some things that you had problem with in my posts and I can show you where they lead me. Or because I'm town and that would ultimately be a fruitless endeavor for you and me you could talk about some other intuitive tidbit you've seen. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:31 ExO_ wrote: Give me an example of rsoultin breadcrumbing, particularly if its a player who hasn't posted, and when it turned out to be true. I think you're awfully quick to believe that rsoultin "bread crumbed here" and that she isn't scum. How can you be so sure that rsoultin is a mason? You really believe that she can't be scum, or fake claiming VT. It's not worth pursuing that line of thought at all? Himalayas Fidei. If they are fake claiming as VT they are bad and awful and should be killed regardless. I don't think they are based on their sarcastic responses to you. If just ONE real mason even claims then that outs two mafia or two silly VT's that I have no qualm lynching. You're jumping to unreasonable conclusions. | ||
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Ness could be mafia but there's too many inactives for me to really give a shit, I just wanna play hots ^^ | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:37 ExO_ wrote: This same line of thinking was applied to one of the games I played here (I think guardians but Im not sure) in which 2 players just straight up fake claimed. And both went along with it. It's at least worth considering. One mason outs and we kill one of them and get 2 mafia or dumb people, I really don't care and it's not worth pursuing to the vigorous extent you are doing. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:37 ExO_ wrote: It's a moot point anyway, there's a really easy way for coag to prove he's rsoultin's mason partner at least to me. or.... that they are both mafia -.-?????? | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:08 N e s s wrote: Just fucking lynch me i give up on fucking TL mafia ##Vote N e s s Please don't these people are just arse holes and don't know how to behave with basic manners in a human interaction. | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:06 GlowingBear wrote: Why is that? The only thing that is giving me pause to call him Mafia is that thing Sicklucker said. The early arguments I've brought on him + his reads not making much sense (calling me town, Mafia, then town again, and now suddenly calling Tictock and Exo Mafia out of the blue, especially when Exo looks pretty fownie to me) pretty much sells him out to me as scum. Frankly put because nobody seems to know how to behave in a civilised manner and it's clearly aggravating the guy and stopping him from doing shit and that in turn makes the people with no manners behave worse towards A NEW PERSON THAT SHOULD BE TREATED WITH RESPECT BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO STAY ON THIS FORUM. Everything he says kind of doesn't make any sense but at the same time it looks like honesty, it's kind of like how I treat sicklucker because everything that guy says is gibberish. If you really think he's mafia give him some space ask for his mafia reads and for them to explain it and if you don't like that ask him simple questions that he can respond to and treat him nicely. Don't do what rayn and exo are doing and calling the guy a moron and treating him like a dick. | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:12 GlowingBear wrote: I'm actually politely calling him Mafia I thought this was expected in a Mafia game yes but you're not the only person in this game my friend | ||
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Fuck is not a normal word people used in civilised conversation. Calling someone stupid is not something people do in civilised conversation. Your way of questioning him was blatantly antagonistic and not getting the desired results and I'm pretty sure he misunderstood the phrasing of the whole thing and was confused so it did nothing to alleviate the situation. Ness when someone says "Sharing reads," they simply mean that you have some scum reads and they also have the same scum reads as you. You haven't shared anything per se but you both have the same some scum reads. | ||
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They just want to know the following: What are your scum reads? Why did you say Rayn was wrong on everything? | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:34 ExO_ wrote: HF this is a game, a game of deception. It's not like we're having a business meeting. I understand he's new, but you have got to be willing to play the game. ness needs to calm down and explain himself, instead of just irrationally lashing out. You were rude and it was uncalled for. You don't have to tell me how this game works but you were degrading and antagonistic when it was uncalled for, don't blame the game for your bad manners when you yourself get angry for the same exact things. | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ugh.... can someone else with better english skills reword the question in case it is unclear because i don't think this answers -- or even tries to -- anything i asked..... And i don't know if it is my fault or not... You're using acronyms he doesn't understand I think, just explain what RVS means? | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:42 N e s s wrote: i'm not an idiot. I've played mafia plenty of times. Yes but that doesn't answer the question. | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:55 ExO_ wrote: I don't know who moosey is, but I was able to figure out that it was a policy lynch joke vote. They were talking about it pre game. I don't see why you shouldn't have been able to figure that out as well. If you were reading the thread. Quite honestly I think you aren't reading the thread, and to make up for that you are yelling a bunch. Also fuck off HF with your holier than thou bullshit. I can expect people to read the thread, or be treated poorly for not doing so. Please don't talk to me in that regard I am a human being with feelings and will not be treated with such disrespect because you have some mental problem where you need to insult people. I am truly sorry for your aggression problems. Ness didn't even know the game had started and was wondering why people were voting Moosy even then it's not hard to expect he didn't know what was happening at the start too. | ||
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On December 28 2015 06:04 nooniansoong wrote: TT was very try hard as mafia last game. I suppose his play could be scum feeling mafia fatigue. I think he is more likely low effort town. So what you're saying is you're mafia with TMI | ||
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On December 28 2015 06:14 nooniansoong wrote: I based my read on two pieces of information. 1 He played try hard scum last game. I was in that game with him and I remember it very well. 2 I read his filter this game and it looks much lower effort than his mafia game. I don't think it's tmi. And then you said he could be burnt out and made the leap to him being town instead...? | ||
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On December 28 2015 06:31 nooniansoong wrote: There is no leap. His activity points to two options: burnt out scum or town. Which of those he is, I do not know. However, I do not think his lack of activity and the emptiness of his posts is a scumtell, due to his last scumgame. That is what most people are basing the scumread on. Is he burnt out scum or town? If his behavior doesn't point to one being more likely than the other, than it is more likely he is town, simply because town is the more abundant role. That's most definitely a leap and unless you have a view on all the other players in the game and have narrowed down mafia also a really bad leap. | ||
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On December 28 2015 07:08 Tictock wrote: Got some food poisoning or someshit this morning so been kinda out of it today. Will be catching up and whatnot as I can at work. You can go to work with food poisoning? I think not my friend. | ||
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On December 28 2015 08:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I'm gonna attempt to be good and actually work at work which I've been terrible at so I'll be gone for the next ~18 hours. So you're gonna throw away your vote on non of the leading wagons on obi when he plays bad a lot and just afk the rest of the day? | ||
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On December 28 2015 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Slam, ExO is practically confirmed town due to dumbtelling himself into oblivion by not believing the mason claims for forever. That's a bad reason because he said they are likely VT's fake claiming too. | ||
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On December 28 2015 23:56 Vivax wrote: That would make them mafia why? Are you going to lynch anyone who wasnt your bitch? Eradicate some intelligence from this game? Well if perchance you are town then the people that aren't following a good case of vivax does shit all as mafia early in the game and we should pressure him generally have TMI and are mafia themselves, there is 0 reason to not form a wagon on you to make you do stuff unless they are scared to look out of place and are mafia. | ||
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On December 29 2015 00:08 nooniansoong wrote: Well there is SL's argument that he is easier to read as the game progresses. Then there is someone else's argument that low activity is not scum indicative for vivax, since he has been known to play like that as town. Which makes him only as scummy as all the other inactives. both of which are bad arguments | ||
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well you better stop being shit then shouldn't you if they are excellent arguments? | ||
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On December 29 2015 00:14 Palmar wrote: Feels kind of dirty to lynch kush day 1 two games in a row for being dumb and bad. Although he's trying his best to sound sane this game so maybe he's scum. I'm ok with lynching kush for the leap he made on TT tbh + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2015 06:09 Holyflare wrote: So what you're saying is you're mafia with TMI On December 28 2015 06:27 Holyflare wrote: And then you said he could be burnt out and made the leap to him being town instead...? On December 28 2015 06:44 Holyflare wrote: That's most definitely a leap and unless you have a view on all the other players in the game and have narrowed down mafia also a really bad leap. | ||
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whatever then I still just want to lynch Vivax for even signing up | ||
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On December 29 2015 00:44 Palmar wrote: Did I miss anything, was that a wrong interpretation from me? Or do you now see the conversation the way I read it? Did you change your mind about it? Kush is still a fine lynch, even if that wasn't a slip. His vote on me is terrible because he's played with me enough times to know that I don't care about pressure votes and that I always show up to play in the end, especially after weekends. His defense of me then towards Exo was weird too. We're not killing vivax unless he gets cc'd of course. it's a logical leap because he has no input in any other player in the game at that point and just miraculously after saying the player is a burnt out mafia decides that he is town because it is statistically likely which is bs if you're trying to find mafia and have no reads on anyone else I just couldn't be bothered to have a discussion about the obvious. | ||
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On December 29 2015 00:55 Vivax wrote: Which I'm sure you can tell on D1 without flips. Oh you so smart Plmarr Mafia is HF, ritoky, The Shining, Moosey and 1-2 other guys I didnt look at yet Moosy is supposed to play more as mafia, shining looked towny from what I can remember, I'm definitely town and ritoky is probably/maybe town rekt? | ||
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On December 29 2015 01:22 nooniansoong wrote: HF you started out the game so strong and now you've gradually stopped trying. shocker when 3/4 of the game isn't playing really, just have no motivation to try | ||
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On December 29 2015 02:21 nooniansoong wrote: Hf thinks my refusal to scumread tt indicates tmi. That implies that tt is town. Now he is sleeping rayn on tt. That is an inconsistency in hfs reads I would like explained, I've always said I would lynch TT and sheeping a good case is never bad. I don't really care about inconsistencies in my own thought process I just want to lynch mafia. | ||
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On December 29 2015 02:22 rsoultin wrote: maybe he is idk, but not cause of rayn's associative reason lol i'm thinking that hf is playing really blah for someone who had a break...like viva is scum...now that viva isn't scum anyone who defended him had tmi...oh and now i'm gonna pop back to something i mentioned about kush ages ago pretty lazy i'm not sure why town hf is this lazy and i know i know i'm probably wasting my breath talking about hf on a d1 but ye maybe i will vote tt with rayn actually let me check something I'm sorry and when am I lazy as mafia? | ||
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like ever wtf what a trash tier read everything you write is consistent with someone that follows their own reads while being lazy, the person that you scum read ends up being town then what do you do? You obviously look at the people calling him town for no good reason. Palmar returns and talks about Kush, I mention qualms with Kush. | ||
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On December 28 2015 16:49 Alakaslam wrote: Argh joining Vivax train until better option becomes viable. and some other stuff that I forgot | ||
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On December 29 2015 02:37 GlowingBear wrote: Also, Palmar, if you hadn't read anything and you didn't catch up, how do you know coag and rsoultin are masons? This guy probably mafia too tbh. | ||
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On December 29 2015 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I had the same feeling but then i read the name above the post. wanna play some hots? | ||
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On December 29 2015 02:47 GlowingBear wrote: Who's not Mafia in this game? All you have been doing is pushing a guy that people are telling you you should give him more time for his recent plays, and you keep pushing him until he claims. Then you want to lunch Tictock and ness, who you have been townreading. Why do you want to lynch ness now, Holyflare? What changed? So you're accusing me of making Vivax claim when Vivax has been calling me mafia all game? Are you okay in the head? On December 29 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote: but well actually maybe not regarding N E S S ^ | ||
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On December 29 2015 02:47 GlowingBear wrote: Who's not Mafia in this game? All you have been doing is pushing a guy that people are telling you you should give him more time for his recent plays, and you keep pushing him until he claims. Then you want to lunch Tictock and ness, who you have been townreading. Why do you want to lynch ness now, Holyflare? What changed? Let's look at this post as a classic example of a wtf he's mafia moment. GB is calling me out for: A) Being suspicious of Vivax which is weird as fuck because: On December 28 2015 04:18 GlowingBear wrote: And now I agree with you HF, Vivax might be the best lynch today B) Being suspicious of TickTock: C) Being suspicious of N E S S: On December 28 2015 03:06 GlowingBear wrote: Why is that? The only thing that is giving me pause to call him Mafia is that thing Sicklucker said. The early arguments I've brought on him + his reads not making much sense (calling me town, Mafia, then town again, and now suddenly calling Tictock and Exo Mafia out of the blue, especially when Exo looks pretty fownie to me) pretty much sells him out to me as scum. D) Being suspicious of Kush: -absent because GB has been afk for ages- So, what do we see here ladies and gentleman? Glowingbear is accusing me of calling all his mafia reads mafia and then using it to call me mafia. /case get rekt GB | ||
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On December 29 2015 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hmm... i am actually interested in seeing GB's answer to this. There is no come back to this. | ||
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"I'm voting you because yes I agreed that Vivax was mafia but all you did was push the person I eventually thought was mafia while saying everyone else I thought was mafia was mafia too!" | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:08 GlowingBear wrote: No, Artanis, I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie while mildly throwing suspicions everywhere and not further investigating it even when me and sicklucker kept saying that he should give Vivax more time. It's not about WHO he said is scum, it's about HOW he is throwing suspicions everywhere while doing nothing with them. He agrees that Tictock is scum and there are two cases on him, but then decided to go against kush for a "leap of read" that doesn't make anyone scum. and then notice where my vote was and how I was exploring the other avenues at the time, I've said I've wanted to lynch TT since rayn first talked about it on like page 10 | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:11 nooniansoong wrote: HF I'm confused on your position on TT. You think he's mafia, you like rayn's case, so why not vote him? On December 29 2015 02:11 Holyflare wrote: ##unvote ##vote TickTock ???????? ???????????????? ???????? | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:11 GlowingBear wrote: EXACTLY! And yet you never voted Tictock. You just decided kush was scum for bullshitty reasons, then you throw suspicions at me while twisting my arguments, and now you're voting me. On December 29 2015 02:11 Holyflare wrote: ##unvote ##vote TickTock ???????????????? ?????????????????? ?????????? | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:12 Koshi wrote: Read the post... nothing GB said was about having the same scumreads. HF his case is bullshit because he starts with an hypothesis that is a lie and then proves the lie... No, GB said that I am mafia because I wanted to push Vivax who ended up being town EVEN THOUGH GB SCUM READ VIVAX TOO all while exploring different people as mafia (who he thought were also mafia) but doing not much about it. Why would he think this if HE IS ON THE SAME PAGE AS ME???? Why does anyone think "Oh HF thinks all the people I think are mafia but he's not really pushing them he's definitely mafia"? WHO? Nobody that's who. | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:15 Vivax wrote: TT isnt mafia, mostly for tone. Ofc HF agrees with rayn for the sake of having another option stellar play claiming jk when the person pushing you is someone you think is mafia | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:14 Holyflare wrote: No, GB said that I am mafia because I wanted to push Vivax who ended up being town EVEN THOUGH GB SCUM READ VIVAX TOO all while exploring different people as mafia (who he thought were also mafia) but doing not much about it. Why would he think this if HE IS ON THE SAME PAGE AS ME???? Why does anyone think "Oh HF thinks all the people I think are mafia but he's not really pushing them he's definitely mafia"? WHO? Nobody that's who. ^ | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:13 GlowingBear wrote: "WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out. Pushing a townie is okay. Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not. On December 29 2015 03:12 Holyflare wrote: ???????????????? ?????????????????? ?????????? I mean basic fact checking isn't even in GB's mafia repertoire | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:22 GlowingBear wrote: Right now, after seeing him throwing suspicions everywhere (GB might be mafia, Ness might be mafia), and the more I think of it the more things fits (his push on kush, his reluctancy from not lynching Tictock and keeping on Vivax) Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what bull shit are you smoking | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote: Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it. He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me. My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments. If I think a person is mafia and have a history of lynching that person as mafia then why would I stop wanting to lynch that person because sicklucker who I don't listen to a word of says otherwise? What logical nonsense is that GB? Not to mention if you start to think Vivax is mafia then why is it bad that I keep pushing that guy? I was too lazy to move my vote and just did so as soon as rayn posted an updated case on TT because I liked it and thought about how shit TT's catch up posts were. I still think that leap in logic is suspicious as fuck when he had no information at all about anyone else and he still jumped to a guy being town after presenting a logical explanation of why he could be mafia, it still doesn't make sense. There's like a million mafia and you're suspicious that I'm looking for other mafia after Vivax claimed a role? | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:30 GlowingBear wrote: I was iffy when he started pushing kush, but it was basically when he called me and Ness scum, especially when he calls me scum when I ask a question on Palmar. It was clear he was throwing suspicions everywhere And have you asked me why I think those people are suspicious? I have a thought process of "People that think that Vivax wasn't a good lynch or were behaving weird around Vivax" -Alakaslam - weird ness interaction and then weird Vivax reaction - Ness - weird as fuck posts all game and he posted something really weird about Vivax "I'll unvote him when he defends himself" <-- I almost instantly changed my mind based solely on his filter length which is probably a mistake but then I got lazy and didn't check his filter in his off site game - GB - just shit and afk for a while and then comes back and posts that trash about how did palmar know about coag and rsoultin when palmar already linked his source for info - gb's filter is like 3 full pages of one liner questions saying nothing and when I remembered his earlier interactions with ness and how he just copied my questions it added up to mafia-ish, now combined with my slam dunk case which you guys seem to dislike for no reason he's pretty definitely mafia ^ there is the combined reasoning for the brief section of time | ||
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I was too lazy to move my vote and just did so as soon as rayn posted an updated case on TT because I liked it and thought about how shit TT's catch up posts were. | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:39 GlowingBear wrote: ROFL I COPIED YOUR QUESTIONS??? I WAS THE FUCKING FIRST ONE TO SUSPECT HIM and how does that make a difference? I elaborated the case and asked him questions and in order to pad out your filter you just repeated the questions that I had already asked. | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:39 GlowingBear wrote: ROFL I COPIED YOUR QUESTIONS??? I WAS THE FUCKING FIRST ONE TO SUSPECT HIM And look how your logic of me being mafia because I have no reason to mafia read those people is bypassed to the view of your self defence. It's silly, I am disproving your flawed logic of me being mafia and you're twisting it to make me mafia. | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:43 GlowingBear wrote: I didn't understand what you meant here Right now, after seeing him throwing suspicions everywhere (GB might be mafia, Ness might be mafia), and the more I think of it the more things fits (his push on kush, his reluctancy from not lynching Tictock and keeping on Vivax) This has been completely disproved because I had a thought process for each of these people being mafia that revolved around the thought process that Vivax was a town JK and so your accusations become baseless since I am not throwing around calling people mafia everywhere for no reason. | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:50 GlowingBear wrote: If you call a case a good case and the second wagon mafia, why not going against the second wagon, try to interact with him, re read his filter, instead of pushing a lot of other people that are most likely town (IMO)? That's exactly what you're doing right now. Instead of going against a case you called good, you're going after me right after I came back to the thread, reluctant to go against Tictock AGAIN. Because Ticktock has not been present a single time that I have been present, keep trying. Yet again, like I already explained and you KNOW to be true I have a massive ego and want to lynch who I want to lynch. Your return was bad and your accusation worse, I still feel my case is a slam dunk and you are mafia but I don't discriminate between mafia wagons other than my own preference to pander to my own ego hence preferring to lynch you. It's as if you've never played in a game with me GB, what's going on in that small mafia world of yours? I'll just set the record straight, I do not care if we lynch you or TT because I believe you both to be mafia with a bit more certainty of you being mafia. | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:52 GlowingBear wrote: You didn't destroy me, you've just twisted every single argument I've wrote so you can throw it against me. Fits your job pretty well Please, please, please break down my arguments and my reasoning and thought process and explain how I've twisted this. You laid out points on why I am mafia and I've explained them FULLY with all the reasoning and logic behind it and outlined my entire thought process. You can ignore the case on you I'm solely talking about your case on me. | ||
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A) nobody said they wanted to lynch vivax after he claimed B) his thread participation has increased a modicum C) he's still shit and I ignore the majority of posts he makes atm | ||
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inb4 vivax says I'm mafia because I don't think he's mafia for unclaiming and therefore know he's town + Show Spoiler [irrelevant self defence to quash GB…] + On December 29 2015 04:03 GlowingBear wrote: If you think kush TMIng on TT would be a redundant vote you could've simply vote TT and keep pushing kush. If your ego is so big you should've vote kush and try to get people to lynch him. You never did any, you just saw kush's lynch not getting traction and started throwing suspicions on me and Ness, then you saw the possibility of forming a wagon on me and started it. IF you're voting me solely for ego, why weren't you voting kush before? Your story just not compute. You either have that big ass ego and go against kush full throttle and me full throttle, or you think TT might be mafia with kush and me and just vote TT because the vote is redundant. In other words, if your ego is so big you should have similar behaviours against me and kush, yet they were different accordingly to the possibility of a wagon getting traction or not. I think Kush is mafia TMI-ing on TT being town. I don't really want to vote TT because I think Kush could be mafia then. I present my tidbit on why I think Kush is mafia and it's turned down so I think maybe I'm wrong on Kush a bit and back off. I let the dust settle a bit because I'm still hesitant that Kush TMId on TT. Rayn comes in the thread and posts a case on TT again, I remember that I really disliked TT all game and I liked Rayn's case and hates TT's catch up posts that said nothing and were wishy-washy, this far outweighed my small bit on Kush and so I voted TT at this point (2 hours+ ago now). I've outlined the reasons why I thought you and Ness might have been mafia and if you think me calling Ness mafia and then not within 5 seconds of each other here: + Show Spoiler + On December 29 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote: I wouldn't actually mind lynching Ness tbh as well as TT. On December 29 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote: but well actually maybe not (see the time stamps ^) If you think I'm definitely spreading suspicion on people for no reason then you're welcome to take that wrong assumption as I've outlined my reasons why I thought what I did here which you can continue to seemingly ignore: On December 29 2015 03:37 Holyflare wrote: And have you asked me why I think those people are suspicious? I have a thought process of "People that think that Vivax wasn't a good lynch or were behaving weird around Vivax" -Alakaslam - weird ness interaction and then weird Vivax reaction - Ness - weird as fuck posts all game and he posted something really weird about Vivax "I'll unvote him when he defends himself" <-- I almost instantly changed my mind based solely on his filter length which is probably a mistake but then I got lazy and didn't check his filter in his off site game - GB - just shit and afk for a while and then comes back and posts that trash about how did palmar know about coag and rsoultin when palmar already linked his source for info - gb's filter is like 3 full pages of one liner questions saying nothing and when I remembered his earlier interactions with ness and how he just copied my questions it added up to mafia-ish, now combined with my slam dunk case which you guys seem to dislike for no reason he's pretty definitely mafia ^ there is the combined reasoning for the brief section of time Now you can die in your mafia pit. 2. Rels 4. nooniansoong 8. Waylanner 13. Mooseeeeeeeeydooseeeeeey <-- probably not mafia 14. Boxerfred 15. Glowingbear 18. ObiWanShinobi <-- probably not mafia but still could be 19. The Shining <--- probably not mafia because seemed honest 20. Palmar <--- meh, maybe not mafia because I liked his posts but that probably makes him mafia 21. Tictock 22. n e s s 23. Vivax <---- Vivax tier 24. Alakaslam | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:32 ritoky wrote: doesn't the whole actually being JK but unclaiming to try and dodge a bullet/confuse scum thing usually happen during the night phase? I just treated it as Vivax trying to bait me in to something that I don't care about because he has no importance. | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:33 ExO_ wrote: throwing my vote back on TT, will be back before EoD. don't do it, he's town | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am officially retracting from playing until i am dead or Vivax is dead. When smart people become dumb as fuck all hope is lost. cya day 2 | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:38 ExO_ wrote: HF for somebody who chastised me so much, you're turning into quite the hypocrite. Regardless of your alignment, I wouldn't be sad if you and your cancerous attitude were lynched/shot/w.e else out of this game I hate everything you stand for and you suck at this game. | ||
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On December 29 2015 06:23 Tictock wrote: Ok I'm about 20 pages behind. I'm kinda trying to get caught up but idk if I will get it done in time, kus screw spending 2 hours of my day on this trying to defend myself like I've had to do last 2 games (as both alignments btw). Least my theory that I don't get townreads unless I shit out effort is being proven. shocker that putting in no effort garners no town reads | ||
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A) Vivax already claimed JK so why would people have opinions other than his claim? B) A lot of people already expressed views on me during the GB interaction and around the thread just generally. | ||
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Same as you. Vivax/HF are both town, That quote towards Vivax was also sarcastic because he's trying to bait a reaction out of me clearly. | ||
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On December 29 2015 06:43 The Shining wrote: Not at all. Because like I said, I was interested in what others had to say about you and Vivax's play. This game is bigger than just you two, but if I can use the interaction between you two to see other's reactions/responses and hash out reads due to similar thoughts, or catch something off about someone because them answering me is weird or contradicts something they said earlier in their filter, then what is the problem?? Many people have already commented on it and it's a waste of time. Can you talk about GB to me? | ||
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On December 29 2015 06:54 sicklucker wrote: wait ok vivax claimed tihs changes thing. Im not sure if this makes him more likely mafia. But if hes town this makes hf almost certainly maifia. A qeustion do you guys expect a town jk to cc here? because if so that makes vivax town. Which is more then enough reason to lynch hf here. So im asking TL mafia to not be pussy and take down the kingpin and not his potential lacky you know the more you comment on things before fully catching up the more it looks like you're mafia just trying to fit in? | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:04 Tictock wrote: GB... though I haven't really seen Rels post so I don't really know. From the couple of TS posts I read he's town. Rsoul is right about GB's tone. Last 2 games as town he played something like I've been this game. But here GB is being rather diplomatic and trying to sound reasonable. When Town!GB was trying to lynch me in Haunted he was being pretty unreasonable spouting shit like "Give me my lynch!" and "I wanna be right!" Though outside of your question I prob wouldn't lynch him for that alone. not reading the thread again? | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:13 Trfel wrote: This post made me feel that GlowingBear does actually care about the game and is emotionally invested. It didn't feel robotic at all to me. I'd feel that mafia's first instinct would be to complain about people being stupid/paying him no attention, but instead GlowingBear seems actually happy that his arguments are being pursued. I don't think that's alignment indicative at all since people can get frustrated from not being listened to just by virtue of not beng listened to but yeah I don't think he's robotic like TT/rsoul are making out, TT also seems to have not seen GB's interaction with me. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:23 Tictock wrote: And don't fucking say kus I haven't been reading the game. Up untill now I have been reading shit. The post rayn keeps going on about was me explaining earlier reads and it should not be hard to figuer out. Like the fact that some of you assume people getting things mixed up/or missing a post or w/e is proof that they are not reading is bullshit. Happens to everyone, all the time and is never a reason to push people. Mafia are totally more likely to fact check themselves before posting because they don't want to give people easy things to push on. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:23 GlowingBear wrote: I have no idea why you think I'm Mafia, then, and how you can't at least be a little suspicious of HF for everything I have said How on earth are you still going on about this, you posted your concerns about me being mafia which I have fully addressed and eliminated, what more is there to call me mafia for? You have my perfect thought process outlined right there for you in the thread. This is getting stale and just increases the likelihood of you being actually mafia. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:28 Tictock wrote: Because the few attempts I've given to finding mafia have been met with wagons on me. Like literally as soon as I start posting my thoughts in these games I get jumped on, because it isn't enough or it doesn't make sense. I don't care anymore. Lynch me, bitch at me, call me bad, blame me for not trying (even though I sorta have been). It's just a game and one I haven't been enjoying. So sorry I bothered to be a part of it. Ok guy let's just stop this pointlessness for a second. Let's be all nonchalant for a while and just give me a brief few people that you think are mafia and a sentence why and work from there. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:30 GlowingBear wrote: HF I really don't see how you've deconstructed the arguments I wrote. But I can see that if Tictock is town, my argument is moot. But I can't believe someone who scum reads Tictock isn't at least wary you could be scum. Where can you not see? You think I've blindly been pushing people for no reason, I outline all the reasons I pushed those people which lines up nicely with a new revelation of information (Vivax revealing he is JK), it's a perfect thought process that eliminates your case entirely and I know that TT is gonna flip mafia and you're just setting it up to push me for it, you've been angling at this for hours. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:35 sicklucker wrote: no shit hf never gets lynched without a cop check or something its ridiculous. esp since hes my n0 check I don't get lynched with cop checks either dude. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Oh btw, I really don't think noon is kush but maybe I'm just a crazy person. ............................... are you actually mafia? | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:40 GlowingBear wrote: HAHAHAHA so YOU know that Tictock IS going to flip Mafia but I am setting this up to prove my theory ROFL I know it because you telegraph it really obviously but nice way to twist my theory into me being mafia again. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote: I just got back is it worth reading anything that I missed? not particularly, tt posted some semblance of a read post last page which I didn't hate the start of but then disliked the rest it just looks like he's read the first 10 pages of the game and has no new info until the last 3 or 4 pages of the game imo | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:45 Tictock wrote: Fuck you for your assumptions about my reading. Like you and rayn both are just asshats doing that. I don't see how that is not a reasonable assumption, N E S S hasn't posted for a very long time and all his interactions were right at the start of the game, all the rest are just feelings that don't seem to be based on anything so I can't conclude that you have a good reason for them. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:46 Trfel wrote: But he's still voting for Alakaslam this whole time, without talking about him, without ever trying to move the lynch. This is not an attempt to solve the game. This is not actually caring about the game, or trying to find the best lynch. Trfel I see you voting off wagon and not really attempting to do anything with TT, why is that? I don't think you've really gone into a TT thought process much at all other than mentioning he's not a very good lynch? Not that I remember anyway. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:47 GlowingBear wrote: HF, my only accusation is that you were throwing suspicions everywhere (if them followed a thought process it doesn't matter - your argument on kush followed a thought process, but its grounds are weak as hell) and did not proceed to go against Tictock (while agreeing he was scum and that the case on him is good) to pursue these suspicions. When kush wagon didn't get traction, you saw an opportunity when I came back and started pushing me. Your argument for voting me was ego. But you said you are fairly sure kush is Mafia (and you say you still are) but not react the same way to vote him and keep calling him scum like you're doing with me. You either display the same behaviour regarding me and kush (in regards of your ego "I like to be right") or your ego excuse is bullshit. I had another suspicion but I forgot what it was right now I said do it at night and I also said I don't think Kush is mafia that much anymore since people didn't like my reason and I backed off and it got overtaken by TT case. Learn to read fool. None of this answers anything about the actual question on N E S S. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:54 sicklucker wrote: like even if were wrong were seeing the same shit you cant make that up. m obv town im bringing gb in with me GB's thought process is based on a false premise that I still scum read Kush the most when I haven't mentioned that I've done that and in fact corrected him about ten times. You seeing the same shit is not surprising since you are both as blind as dingbats. This also has nothing to do with who we are lynching. | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote: I get the impression that Tictock actually is reading the thread, primarily because last night as I was catching up, he supposedly read 15-20 pages at the same time as I did. Like, he'd comment on posts every so often, and was basically on my pace the entire time. That seems difficult to fake. I don't think that Tictock would actually put that much effort to read the thread and then not care to actually try to move the lynch as scum. I also don't think there is much reason to scumread him, notably I didn't like the criticisms of his first post (there were some reasons I wanted to townread Koshi then, and I liked that Tictock wasn't sharing a widely accepted read, but instead a more unique one). The arguments against Tictock seem to be arguing that he's bad instead of that he's scum? Though I have not caught up yet and I have been reading quickly without having a chance to double check things. Doing the thread catch up thing is easy for mafia to do, he didn't really have any insights into the game from his catch up either. The arguments are just his posts are wishy-washy pretty much and continue to be. | ||
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On December 29 2015 08:08 Damdred wrote: Rayn is going to be so mad at me rayn is a fucking tool because he voted off his own wagon | ||
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On December 29 2015 08:11 sicklucker wrote: hf only voting tt after rels had 2 extra votes over him is suspicious a lil . im sure gb will spam about it for me tho Yeah, I totally wanted to bus my team buddy ticktock in a situation where it could have swung and I wasn't even counting the votes just to fulfill my master plan of looking cool when TT does flip mafia. Keep on truckin'! | ||
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So I could save my vote for the last second and individually count the votes so it would look like I was saving the wagon and trying to lynch mafia ticktock to appease both Glowingbear and yourself and collect that sweet sweet town credit. | ||
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On December 29 2015 08:20 Damdred wrote: If they are both town mafia doesn't care what way the vote goes and wouldnt' be as likely to care about shenanigans just in a general sense. Not really true they just cause shenanigans and line up an extra town lynch the next day for free? Mafia can do whatever they want if it's a two town lynch tbh. | ||
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On December 29 2015 08:21 GlowingBear wrote: HF, TT, Palmar, Ness See you tomorrow. and I'm still mafia for wanting to lynch TT, this ladies and gentleman is glowingbear! | ||
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On December 29 2015 08:22 Holyflare wrote: and I'm still mafia for wanting to lynch TT, this ladies and gentleman is glowingbear! It's as if you've completely blanked the entire voting phase that just happened and are doing your own thing. | ||
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Waylanner Mooseeeeeeeeydooseeeeeey <-- probably not mafia Boxerfred Glowingbear ObiWanShinobi The Shining <--- probably not mafia because seemed honest Palmar Tictock n e s s Alakaslam at a stretch a team might be something like (-2): Waylanner Boxerfred Glowingbear ObiWanShinobi Palmar Tictock n e s s Alakaslam | ||
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On December 29 2015 08:38 GlowingBear wrote: 1) Did he really try to kill you tho? His vote was made after Rels got 9 votes 2) If he was so certain you should be killed because you are Mafia (and the fact that a shenanigans out of you actually occurred reinforces that you're most likely Mafia), why is he suggesting you should be shot (something that may or may not occur) instead of killing you day2? It doesn't make sense How can you take a post where I say that we should actually lynch TT tomorrow and twist it into me saying that we shouldn't lynch TT tomorrow? I just have no words for that at all, it's just hilarious. Not to mention like I said and can be seen in the vote thread I thought the vote was 7-7 and complained to the hosts that my vote was not counted and thus would have killed TT. Get gud GB. | ||
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On December 29 2015 08:45 Tictock wrote: Psst They were the same list minus 2 people Minus three people, I was trying to make a mafia team and found it exceedingly difficult to actually narrow down any more names than 8 out of a 6 team. | ||
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On December 29 2015 08:20 Holyflare wrote: I think we just lynch slam and shoot tt the night after or something or the other way around probably better | ||
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Step 1) Take your name off the list. Step 2) ??????????????????? What kind of redundant question are you asking? | ||
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If you think GB is town and he has the same scum reads then why am I mafia for having those scum reads? How does that post not constitute a case instead of "discrediting"? I think/still think it's good. | ||
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On the other hand he was doing stuff just now whilst everyone afks and stuff like that. Bit of a quandary. | ||
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Also I like exo's post on ritoky that's pretty good evidence for him being mafia if he knew TT does this as mafia but switched anyway, especially as TT's posts weren't convincing at all. | ||
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I think hf is town and gb mafia raym because clealy hf is pushing logically and gb isn't! I think hf is town because he's pushing his main wagon and looking at other people. I think hf might be mafia because despite his progression on ness he definitely just judged thread interest and backed off even though a lot of people think ness was scummy. I think hf is mafia because he's not aggressive. Even though I think he's not aggressive which is his town meta he's mafia. Now he's arguing with gb and vivax and lynching ticktock despite shenanigans he's still mafia. I'm not really sure I can follow the logic so please correct me if I'm wrong and explain what your read actually is. | ||
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So wtf mafia things have I done and how on earth am I in a lynch list of 4 people???? | ||
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On December 30 2015 01:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So what HAVE you said? TONE Yes which is a shit cop out from forming a read. You point out constantly things that make me towny but all those points go against what you are tone reading me for. It doesn't make sense. | ||
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On December 30 2015 01:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm not pushing you for it, I asked people to look into you. I am not actually pushing for your lynch. And right now I have Palmar to lynch so eh. Right so let's get this straight. Your tone read on me is because I wasn't really pushing anything aggressively that wasn't my main scum read vivax during d1 but that's all you're doing too? | ||
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On December 30 2015 02:26 GlowingBear wrote: Palmar how do you read HF? Are you fucking serious? | ||
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On December 29 2015 23:22 Palmar wrote: Status report thing: Town: Coag (mason) Rsoultin (mason) Maybe Town: rayn: he's annoyingly suspicious of me but most of the other things he has done this game look like town rayn. He's agitated but involved. He doesn't take bullshit and he does the thing which he always does as town. When he called me out based on the switch to Vivax thing earlier today it was a super red text/green text rayn moment, even if it was based on him misunderstanding Exo: I'm less sure because he hasn't done jack shit today and I feel like he was not much involved yesterday. However I think the point I made yesterday about his paranoid scenario regarding the masons is still much more likely to come from town. Koshi: He lead the shennies which isn't scummy at all. He's also been spiteful and tonally "correct" this game. He isn't timid and doesn't ask shitty questions. It's mostly a tone read but still, I think it's ok. Maaaaaaaaybe town: HF: He hasn't said anything particularly annoying that I've noticed, and I also feel like he isn't actively looking for a fight which he does a ton as mafia. He off-handedly called GB mafia yesterday in such a casual way. He's perfectly capable of playing like this as mafia, but if I try to not be too paranoid I'd probably bet on town. Trfel: He said something at some point that I liked. I can't really remember what or why, but I'm trusting my earlier read until I have a reason not to Other people I know something about but don't really have an opinion on: Vivax: Should be shot. Can't be allowed to live until lylo, but I have no idea if he's scum or just a moron. Ritoky: He made a case that I didn't read, but at least he made a case so... idk? Damdred: I don't remember him saying anything particularly intelligent which is a good way to townread him, and I feel like he's been background-y and meh. But I also know that usually when I think Damdred is mafia he isn't. People I haven't read/don't remember/decided to ignore Onegu sicklucker OO Moosey boxerfred ness Slam Obiwan Shining Ticktock There's probably quite a few mafia in this list. if I'm wrong about 1-2 of my scummy people there's 2-4 mafia in the peopel that I've ignored because that's the way it always is. I'll try to work on this list tonight and tomorrow if I'm alive. Maybe scum: Kush: Bad vote on me, called out Exo for things he didn't understand. He's been pretty shit all over Artanis: he's being super reasonable and willing to listen to people. I know he isn't rayn or some other tunnel god, but still, it's a bit over the top how much he's trying to let other people form their own opinions and barely prodding it. Just like yesterday I didn't read his ows case I haven't read hf today and he doesn't really seem to care. Probably scum: GlowingBear: called me out in a really awkward way yesterday and then got into a argument I think. The main thing is that he was reading a conversation about a thing, and then asked about the very thing the conversation was about. It's 100% clear he wasn't actually reading the part of the thread he asked about, he just saw something and ran with it. | ||
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On December 30 2015 02:34 boxerfred wrote: if GB flips town we should lynch HF And why do you reach that conclusion from those 2 unrelated quotes? Also if GB is town why is he not hard jumping on tictock for tmi last night? | ||
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On December 29 2015 10:59 Tictock wrote: This actually leads me to thinking GB is prob Town. HF sounds like he agrees. So I think GB is lock town. Still don't understand what he wrote here and how. | ||
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On December 30 2015 02:37 GlowingBear wrote: Why are you answering it in his place??? Because this is the THIRD time you've returned to this game and asked a question that has an answer a few pages before. It's just terrible. | ||
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On December 30 2015 02:40 boxerfred wrote: HF scumreads GB with the reason I quoted first ("from HF"), follows up on him just now as GB does not read the thread and asks for HF's read on Palmar. However HF already provided a huge list, containing his read on Palmar. So HF asks for a gun to shoot GB, implying GB is dumb. When asked who he'd shoot, he even says he'd shoot himself, raising irony to sarcarsm. So we have HF pushing GB (soft pushing imho). Good thing for scum. So if HF is right, cool, nice shot, one scum down. If HF is wrong and GB is town, then HF is probably doing a good scum move. So yeah, GB/HF is either town/scum, scum/town or town/town but not scum/scum imho. can we have a vote count? This isn't why I scum read him and it sure as shit isn't a soft push. | ||
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On December 30 2015 02:42 boxerfred wrote: Well that's what I quoted from your huge list post. why do you scumread him then and why isn't it a soft push? lemme know I'm dumb Holy fucking shit that is Palmar's list. Like holy fucksicles batman. Come back when you've read this game because you will be lynched soon enough. | ||
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On December 30 2015 02:44 nooniansoong wrote: why is town/town unlikely? Couldn't HF just have a bad read?? Every time someone gets a read wrong it doesn't mean they are scum. Because it's probably town/town and bf is posturing for next plays. | ||
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On December 30 2015 02:46 boxerfred wrote: I call bullshit on you since you obviously missed this: Not only is the whole premise of your post wrong because that was palmar's list post but you don't have a grasp on the game to see that GB is basically the only person in the game I've made a real case on but you say I've only soft pushed him because for some reason you're pretending to fit in like you've read the game. If HF is wrong and GB is town, then HF is probably doing a good scum move. You can't also call bullshit and say it's 33% when you say this sentence beforehand. It's posturing. | ||
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On December 30 2015 02:48 boxerfred wrote: Could you please not dodge this: I didn't dodge it it's not my list post. On December 30 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote: Holy fucking shit that is Palmar's list. Like holy fucksicles batman. Come back when you've read this game because you will be lynched soon enough. | ||
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On December 30 2015 08:11 Palmar wrote: (I don't know what to do now. I have no guarantee that HF actually has a gun or that the shot is real. I can't find anything in the OP regarding it so I'll just shut up until a host comes in... Still, it's dumb that I can't post or talk because someone might have a gun) It's not real. | ||
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Son you're talking to the person that hammered mafia before you switched to your not mafia read after he made terrible posts. | ||
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On December 30 2015 08:36 Tictock wrote: Thanks onegu, now I can just read along at my leasure and not worry about these 20 new pages. Lynch Onegu when I flip miller. You realise you just confirmed yourself as mafia and him as cop with this one sentence. Thank you sir. | ||
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If I explained why people would laugh at the levels of association TT town read GB based on nothing but a solid case from me which probably makes GB town, boxerfred with his posturing and terrible posts insinuate that I'm mafia if GB is town. Ergo BF is mafia. | ||
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On December 30 2015 08:39 Tictock wrote: Actually I'm being stupid, I'm not miller. Still, lynch Onegu when I flip. There is no way his claim is legit. Hahahaha | ||
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On December 30 2015 08:43 Tictock wrote: Saying miller was stupid, but I'm blue not red so stuff it. Lynch me if you need to, but Onegu is 100% mafia. Um yeh you're blue but didn't claim while being lynched and somehow claimed miller too. | ||
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On December 30 2015 08:38 Holyflare wrote: If I explained why people would laugh at the levels of association TT town read GB based on nothing but a solid case from me which probably makes GB town, boxerfred with his posturing and terrible posts insinuate that I'm mafia if GB is town. Ergo BF is mafia. This is gospel yo. We just lynch all the people with crazy theories. | ||
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On December 30 2015 08:49 Tictock wrote: Fine I'm gunsmith. I hate claims. Lynch me to prove it I can't pass out anymore guns after this either way. This is even more hilarious because gunsmiths are 2 shot. | ||
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On December 30 2015 08:56 sicklucker wrote: are guns not roleblockable? why would two people claim them if they are. would tt really give a gun to hf? that makes 0 sense Please stop posting nonsense. | ||
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On December 30 2015 08:58 sicklucker wrote: ah? its very important you swine. can you not block guns? you should be able too. Also we dont lynch tt without a counterclaim No you can't block guns. | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:00 sicklucker wrote: "If a gunsmith has his power roleblocked, he DOES get his power back." but i asume that means the shot does not go through Gunsmiths don't shoot, people that get guns do and those guns can't be rb'd | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:02 ritoky wrote: pretty certain the people who receive the guns are the same as "vigis" who can be rb'd and not refunded according to op Shut up. This isn't true. You can't be rb'd. | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:03 Koshi wrote: nice try holyflare. I like you. It doesn't buy you any town points though. Hammering mafia does though. | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:26 sicklucker wrote: Why were you even off wagon in the first place Because I didn't assume people would be idiots. There's nothing more evident than me wanting to hammer mafia. Nothing you say will change that. | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:31 sicklucker wrote: If that was my only reason to suspect you I would let it go + Show Spoiler + On December 29 2015 08:00 Half the Sky wrote: Vote Count - Day 1 Tictock (7): Rels (7): Tictock, Koshi, Palmar, ritoky, sicklucker, Trfel, rsoultin Vivax (3): ExO_ (2): Coagulation, MoosyDoosy nooniansong (0): sicklucker (1): Onegu Trfel (1): boxerfred Alakaslam (1): nooniansoong GlowingBear (1): Holyflare Holyflare (0): N e s s (0): The Shining (0): boxerfred (0): ObiWanShinobi (0): Palmar (0): Artanis[Xp] (0): rsoultin (0) ExO_ (0): MoosyDoosy (0): Koshi (0): Coagulation (0): Not Voting (2): Waylanner, The Shining At this time, Tictock is slated to be lynched. Day 1 ends in on Monday, Dec 28 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. On December 29 2015 08:02 Holyflare wrote: You're missing my vote on ticktock posted at 22.59pm Nothing more conclusive than this. | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:28 Damdred wrote: I'm the gun Smith I sent the gun to ritojy cause our souls are intertwined. Now lynch the fool and they have to either rb me before my gun goes to someone else or rb ritoky or else he can shoot. Perfect play. I have no words. | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:47 Damdred wrote: It's not perfect plan but you gain what amounts to an innocent child today and town has the ability to direct rito shot and I can send my gun out again. It's flawed but you can at least trust me today and direct rit TT was already dying and could be rber and you just outed for no reason. We don't even need the gun to go off tbh. | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:48 sicklucker wrote: see i do remember this. but when you posted this I had already dont a vote count in my head and knew your vote was too late to do anything. im sure a lawyer is capable of figuring that out too. So let's get this straight. I figured out the lynch was 7-7 and asked my vote to be counted to be 8-7 on TT but I knew the actual vote wasn't even close so wasted my time posting it to look good? | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:50 Holyflare wrote: So let's get this straight. I figured out the lynch was 7-7 and asked my vote to be counted to be 8-7 on TT but I knew the actual vote wasn't even close so wasted my time posting it to look good? Ok sl you're actually full of shit because damdred and shining switched the same second I did. My vote would have hammered mafia at the time. | ||
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Sl/tt/bf/palmar +2 (probably ness +1 more) | ||
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On December 30 2015 11:39 The Shining wrote: Why 100%? I'm suspecting he is, too, but this is super low effort compared to his last scum game. He also bussed his own RB in that game when we had a Vet so I would expect him to bus TT D1. Then again, being completely off-wagon on Trfel looks just as bad. He was afk most of the game. Anyway I actually find bf as town to be somewhat intuitive and say things I actually agree with and here his thoughts and posts seem like he's saying one thing but posting others. Such as his post about me being mafia if GB is town, he tried to cover his tracks by saying "yes I added that afterthought!" but it didn't add up at all with what he was saying, he basically made a massive post that pastures to set me up for a lynch but then saying he has no opinion other than a 33% chance of each situation occuring. Also like GB said his whole thought process doesn't add up, if he thinks I'm mafia then why would he want to lynch GB first to prove that. Aka posturing. Then there's all that association from tt calling gb town so of gb is town bf's posts fit that scenario even more. | ||
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On December 30 2015 11:32 Vivax wrote: Maybe I just got pocketed but SL didnt seem that bad to me, I see little benefit for him to try and pocket me of all people on top of that by doing that he was going against the grain of people more influential than me on d1. Moosy Trfel are possible too. Im not a trfel whisperer tho Well it was just based on tt's filter so it's not particularly what I would say but sicklucker does weird shit that goes against the grain all the time but this game what he's saying at each point in time doesn't make sense. Blue fishing, what rayn said about him, he wanted to lynch lurkers but at deadline wanted to pull votes off Tictock to vote me instead of any other lurker in the game. Defending you was super weird too, it was so out of the blue. All this evidence of me hammering mafia but him still calling me mafia. Doesn't really make much sense to me. | ||
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On December 30 2015 12:11 Holyflare wrote: Pretty much what your last paragraph says yeh. He normally says things too accurately as mafia afaik. I dunno i read through his filter this game and I actually don't hate it but we'll see | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:50 Holyflare wrote: So let's get this straight. I figured out the lynch was 7-7 and asked my vote to be counted to be 8-7 on TT but I knew the actual vote wasn't even close so wasted my time posting it to look good? | ||
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Also op was confusing to those that don't read and thought there were 6 mafia but there's 5 so much easier game. | ||
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On December 31 2015 02:15 Koshi wrote: yeah sicklucker is probably town and we need to lynch: TT into Palmar into HF (it might be smart to shoot HF) Have you been hit with a stupid stick? I hammered mafia while you tools got off the wagon. GJ! Not to mention bf is 100% mafia and you couldn't even give 2 shits to look at the linked games to see the difference between his town play and here. | ||
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On December 31 2015 03:15 Koshi wrote: 1) We didn't lynch mafia, you didn't lynch mafia for sure. 2) You did nothing to prevent the swap. 3) You were not on TT, not trying to get him lynched. You were trying to discredit Vivax over TT the entire day. I got a quote in my filter somewhere saying: "If TT is mafia, HF has been protecting him". sicklucker is town. bf might be mafia. I have been saying it all along. But if I am alive after Palmar. I lynch you 100% of the time if you are also alive. At the time I cast my vote I was lynching mafia. I said at the time of the lynch that TT's posts weren't convincing at all. I never EVER EVER EVER discredited the TT lynch, it had my support for the ENTIRE day and I never once expressed anything other than that. I even said it would be smarter for people to follow rayn onto TT instead of listening to me and dewagoning. Maybe you should pay attention to this game. | ||
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On December 31 2015 03:23 boxerfred wrote: okay I'm 100% mafia What are you willing to bet on that outside of the game? A ham sandwich. | ||
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On April 13 2015 07:32 Palmar wrote: I'm gonna sleep. If I die follow these rules. 1) read objectively 2) don't wifom night kills or mafia posts 3) don't suck Above is post from a previous town game and below is palmar wifoming mafia nks. I know it's hard, but you should do it. On December 30 2015 08:20 Palmar wrote: Also why on earth would I build a case on artanis in the night and then promptly shoot him. Do you think I like being wrong on shit? | ||
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On April 13 2015 07:32 Palmar wrote: I'm gonna sleep. If I die follow these rules. 1) read objectively 2) don't wifom night kills or mafia posts 3) don't suck I know it's hard, but you should do it. Above is post from a previous town game and below is palmar wifoming mafia nks. On December 30 2015 08:20 Palmar wrote: Also why on earth would I build a case on artanis in the night and then promptly shoot him. Do you think I like being wrong on shit? | ||
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On December 31 2015 05:52 Vivax wrote: You can be sure that if he takes part in an angry mob (not a lynch mob) instead of just pushing his objectives he's mafia. I actually need to un-TR you kush cause as Koshi said your reads seem to be wrong in every aspect and that's possibly Palmar knowing your tendency to be right as mafia and coaching you to just be as wrong as possible in the qt. Tinfoily but explains why you seem to be wrong on everything instead of being something in the middle. Nice way to 100% copy my read bro | ||
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Bf why are you bringing up GlowingBear, you think he's mafia? That's an odd name to pick out of the blue when lots of people aren't here. If you think he's mafia why do you think I'm mafia? | ||
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On December 31 2015 07:05 Koshi wrote: In the last quote TT trying to argue GB out of a HF/TT scumteam is hilarious. Never ever is GB mafia. Maybe you should read my posts some time to already figure that out. Man you're sheeping an awful lot of my posts today. | ||
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On December 31 2015 07:57 boxerfred wrote: Look how HF doesnt want to lynch his scum buddy to be safe after TT flip Are you a GB parrot that also doesn't know what the words probably and better mean? | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 29 2015 08:00 Half the Sky wrote: Vote Count - Day 1 Tictock (7): Rels (7): Tictock, Koshi, Palmar, ritoky, sicklucker, Trfel, rsoultin Vivax (3): ExO_ (2): Coagulation, MoosyDoosy nooniansong (0): sicklucker (1): Onegu Trfel (1): boxerfred Alakaslam (1): nooniansoong GlowingBear (1): Holyflare Holyflare (0): N e s s (0): The Shining (0): boxerfred (0): ObiWanShinobi (0): Palmar (0): Artanis[Xp] (0): rsoultin (0) ExO_ (0): MoosyDoosy (0): Koshi (0): Coagulation (0): Not Voting (2): Waylanner, The Shining At this time, Tictock is slated to be lynched. Day 1 ends in on Monday, Dec 28 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. On December 29 2015 08:02 Holyflare wrote: You're missing my vote on ticktock posted at 22.59pm Nothing more conclusive than this. | ||
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On December 31 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote: Like im sorry but if you were trying to hold your vote and make yourself look good you can type that easily. what would be more surprising to me is if a lawyer that you apparently are cannot count. Because I fucking counted and knew the vote count and I knew your vote was a throwaway And here is the circle of life where you are retarded all over again. Damdred and shining shifted votes at the same time as me. I was also actively posting in the thread at the same time. I can't count votes that happen at the same second. Not only that but if it's 7-7 I just stfu and don't tell the mods about their error in votes and let rels die. I think it's 7-7 I want the hammer, there is absolutely no reason for me to ask that question unless I think it's a tie and I'm the hammer. Why would I ask this question if the error made it 9-6 or whatever the final vote was? I wouldn't. There is no way to disprove this flawless logic. | ||
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Bf is definitely mafia, no doubt. Also GB why have you stopped giving a shit about this game? | ||
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On January 02 2016 00:12 Coagulation wrote: what about it? Well one could, if they were so minded, reference sicklucker's post as him being an eager towny wanting a mafia flip. | ||
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On January 02 2016 01:22 Coagulation wrote: or mafia being cheeky do its a wash right? Illegal move, should be punished | ||
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On January 02 2016 01:20 ExO_ wrote: 6.5 hours to go, man this day feels like it's taking forever How does his flip time matter? You know he's flipping mafia 100% so you can easily just play the game based off of that information. | ||
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What you're also saying is that not only did I call TT mafia through the day and not voting him (but was telling people to stay on TT) I was successfully predicting shenanigans just so I could look good and be the hammer vote but just in time not to be. That's a lot of assumptions of me being prophetic. | ||
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So you've said Tictock was mafia but kept looking elsewhere to try and form a wagon on a townie (that townie = me). And that's where your pointless posts become even more pointless because I repeatedly told people to sheep rayn onto TT instead of me and even tried to get you abd SL to stop chatting pointless shit about lynching me and focus on TT. People can just read my filter around lynch time and my case on you and find it is a gold mine of towny insight and wanting people to stay in TT | ||
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My presumption was that it doesn't make sense, from a townie perspective, to agree that someone is most likely mafia but not vote him when you have no other better target to pursue (Vivax claimed at that moment). So you've said Tictock was mafia but kept looking elsewhere to try and form a wagon on a townie (that townie = me). But it clearly shows you have no interest in this game. I voted TT so I wanted to lynch him. He did nothing to sway me otherwise. I look for more mafia, you post bull shit and I make a slam dunk case on you but still tell people to vote TT. What world does that make sense of me being mafia? None. I said we could continue the discussion about me being mafia at NIGHT which means I didn't even want you lynched over TT! Everything screams that I wanted TT to die but for some reason you're saying I didn't want any credit until shenanigans happened which I conveniently timed to look good impossibly. | ||
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If you're mafia you can continue pointlessly pushing me and having no other input into the game though and people will figure you out easily. | ||
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On January 02 2016 05:46 Vivax wrote: HF whats your read on Damdred and ritoky atm, I think there's a good possibility they're mafia given D1 wagons and how Damdred easily TRs people like shining, ritoky etc. (I have always wondered how Dam so confidently called them town early on). Maybe he's town jeezus maybe he's also mafia. I mean damdred is mafia if tt flips gunsmith but otherwise that's not really a question since he's claimed blue? I'm ok with ritoky there's points where I think he's towny but points where I think he's also not which is why I want to pick a pool of people for him to shoot in to. But I think claiming the gun and stuff kind of makes him towny anyway. | ||
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If ness gets modkilled and is town then I think that makes slam mafia due to how he treated him d1. I think bf is definitely mafia. So there's a good chance we have 3/5 mafia already found. | ||
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On January 02 2016 07:14 Vivax wrote: U realize in this setup mafia can claim gunsmith and pretend to give gun to mafia vig And then the real gunsmith outs?? And I don't know about palmar, probably mafia but maybe not. He needs to play more. | ||
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On January 02 2016 07:23 Tictock wrote: Actually a good question, HF why did you claim you had a gun then retract when rit claimedone too? I wanted to see palmar's reaction to being shot. | ||
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On January 02 2016 08:03 Onegu wrote: I was sure he was mafia from the way votes went. Then I thought I would eat a shot mafia shot leaving the cop alive... My plan failed... Fuck off you're dead. | ||
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On January 02 2016 08:05 sicklucker wrote: holyfalre i dont even care that your mafia im just siding with you this game. who we lynching first? Damdred and then onegu and I don't even care about their alignments. | ||
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On December 31 2015 02:52 Koshi wrote: Also. If somebody claims DT and damdred retract his gunsmith claim I am not lynching TT. Koshi is probably mafia. | ||
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On January 02 2016 08:09 GlowingBear wrote: Onegu should be shot tonight. Then we decide about Damdred. No you shoot damdred and lynch onegu. | ||
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On January 02 2016 08:11 Damdred wrote: Yes I'm the correct shot tonight. I wanted to stop the real gun Smith from,being dumb and claiming so I cc the blue who claimed Miller then gun bleu. Shoot me sorry guys I'll post my read list eon Please don't post here anymore. | ||
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On January 02 2016 08:11 Alakaslam wrote: What the hell kind of buttshit modding pauses the game and then resumes minutes before vote The kind of host who mentioned the game was getting paused pregame and throughout all of the voting messages and the one who resumed the game 8 hours ago. | ||
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On January 02 2016 08:19 Damdred wrote: I'll take my blame but you have three things at work. 1) onegu faking a Dt check and the dt not cc him at all. 2) Tt claims he's a Miller right after the check. And then doesn't claim blue and then doesn't fight or do anything. 3) I claimed gun Smith to wifom mafia when the lynch was well decided by one and two. So I'll take my shot and say my bad but don't act like all of this blame for this day falls on me. You know what's better. Onegu not fake claiming a red check and you not fake claiming being blue. That sure sounds a fuck tonne better to me. Not only could we have actually figured it out and not wasted 72 hours but the gunsmith could have got saved and still given out a gun because we have a jailkeeper. | ||
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On January 02 2016 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: am i alive No you flipped mafia because you couldn't be bothered tp vote which I'm glad about. Please stop posting you're dead. | ||
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On January 02 2016 08:23 Alakaslam wrote: So nobody stays awake for a New Years party? Then why even pause game for new yeArs? I just woke up like sra You're 100% mafia slam stop the faking. There were multiple warnings this was happening. Of all the things to be angry about this sure isn't one of them. | ||
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On January 02 2016 08:26 The Shining wrote: Lmao eastern is an insult? Do you mean middle eastern? Far eastern? East coast? :o Lol @ HF. On a serious note, you made that post just now about Onegu and Damdred but you're talking to them like they're town. Why? Do you really believe one or both isn't scum? I think they are both town which is fucking unbelievably sad. | ||
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On January 02 2016 08:30 Damdred wrote: I really don't care and your right hf whatever you say from your high horse what I did wasn't good given the results. But the lynch was highly secure and even planar recognized I was probably fake claiming. It was my bad but telling me never to post here again and blaming me for a ruined game is shit when you were lynching Tt no mat tut er what today anyway. Stop wasting my time. I wasted many hours because of you. | ||
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On January 02 2016 08:28 Holyflare wrote: I think they are both town which is fucking unbelievably sad. | ||
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On January 02 2016 09:00 ritoky wrote: tbh i am mad....that might be because the ibuprofen didn't kill the headache or cuz of this mess; but stop with the woe is me shit if you're town; i gotta figure out this pile of mess in 23 hours. They're both probably town there's nothing to work out. Shoot slam please. | ||
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On January 02 2016 09:04 ritoky wrote: are you so sure of this you wouldn't lynch their ass at lylo? Damdred is too depressing and if he's playing the friendship card on me I will have no respect for him as a player from now on. I town read onegu day 1 and the claim doesn't really make sense in the way he did it from mafia but this isn't a be all and end all of reads. Slam anger at something he has been repeatedly told was very fake and he didn't even comment on the shit that just happened. Not to mention all the other stuff he did like being aggro to ness and town reading him etc. | ||
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On January 02 2016 09:12 Koshi wrote: I like how hf is pushing mafia agenda like a mad man in case onegu is mafia. He takes all the risk starting the fake claim shit and hf looks everywhere but at Onegu. Hilarious. At least Damdred is going full emo on him so hf needs to find another townie to lynch. Onegu needs to be lynched first. Always. I said none of them are mafia but you can somehow extrapolate random things from coherent sentences. You are GB tier. | ||
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On January 02 2016 11:15 GlowingBear wrote: Funny thing coming from the guy who twists what I say 100% of the games we play together I like how you haven't mentioned a single player in this game but me since day 1. You are almost certainly mafia based on your play and choice of posts the past few days. I cannot believe you did not mention TT or BF's posts from n1 once. I just cannot believe. | ||
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Sl/trfel/palmar (red checked by koshi or kush depending)/kush (just look at this post below if he's not cop) +1 On December 30 2015 21:16 nooniansoong wrote: I'm taking tt being red pretty hard. Second game in a row i too easily towned him. Bf...I'm conflicted. His logic is so weird. Too weird to be scum maybe? Here's some self meta for you guys that suspect me. If I were scum there's no way I would have read this whole game. Basically i like your list | ||
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On January 02 2016 11:45 Holyflare wrote: Game is easy: Sl/trfel/palmar (red checked by koshi or kush depending)/kush (just look at this post below if he's not cop) +1 Basically i like your list Forgot slam he's mafia. | ||
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On January 02 2016 11:47 nooniansoong wrote: Hf I'm not scum I'm not cop I'm just better than you. Get over it dude If it's any consolation I've enjoyed playing with you this game regardless of your alignment, you've been not bad. | ||
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obi- your just gonna have to trust me on this one. I have played alot of games with him and for him his contributions are huge and knowledgeable Would you like to explain this read that ia factually incorrect and tell us how you got it? | ||
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On January 03 2016 01:01 sicklucker wrote: why the hell would I ever townread someone that wants to auto lynch two likely towns Do you not see a discrepancy for town reading obi for scum reading someone he shot and not reading palmar town for the same thing? | ||
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On January 03 2016 04:01 GlowingBear wrote: Oh god guys, grow some balls. Game isn't over yet and we still can win unless you keep this boring show of "you're arrogant" "I'm not guilty" "I hate being in here" It's so boring to come to the thread to see if there is something new to work with and actually see people arguing who's ego is bigger. Get over it and play the game, who cares who is better and who is worse You know it would help if you posted content | ||
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On January 03 2016 04:12 Holyflare wrote: Trfel can you explain why you townread alakaslam for "tone"? And more specifically play devil's advocate and explain why a town slam treats ness so argumentatively but town reads him during it anyway? | ||
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And no damdy yours wasn't bad tbh but if no one fake claimed in general shit like this game wouldn't happen. | ||
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On January 18 2016 07:12 ExO_ wrote: Anybody have any advice for me? I think I have a real problem with being able to be firm on my reads, and to really stick to what I think. I start to consider all the possibilities and doubt myself a ton, which is why in this end game I basically collapsed. A lot of the time I was on the right track with Palmar/Onegu (though completely wrong with kush). A lot of it is knowing the players and that comes from just experience with playing with them. Being unsure of your reads is really good though despite what you may think. The only downside to being unsure is that you need to understand when you're just being paranoid and that paranoia is taking over or when it's being unsure because they do something that you consider goes against your initial read. The thing with being afraid of damdred was straight up paranoia (and not necessarily a bad thing) but when that kicks in you need to affirm your read all over again, figure out what made you think he was town to begin with and see if that still holds true and if he's constantly reaffirming that town read. Secondly, when it gets towards end game you need to start thinking in different ways. You should at this point have a list of people you town read and reasons for town reading them, if that reason for town reading them is based on an action they did at one point in the game or you town read them for very minimal reasons that's a good time to rethink that person. You also need to look at motives and who started doing what at what part of the game, mafia towards the end of the game are INTENT and hell bent on getting their mislynches. They are the people that aren't really looking at things logically per se and just surface level throw out "oh x and y are scum" or "oh maybe i'm wrong and it's z!" and don't really give a shit or are the people that heroically just push an easy to lynch guy. Townies will tend to look at all angles and rethink things and be totally unsure and paranoid (like you were experiencing) but not be so surface level. Unless you play with shitters then gl! | ||
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