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Hope everyone continues to have a Merry Christmas season! | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:05 Damdred wrote: Here's the deal we need to establish that we are going to lynch me never and never putting me under suspicion. That way I can give you great reads like this: Town: Trfel, ritoky, arty, Ness, Damdred and somewhat ticktock (slight lean) #vote: Damdred | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:08 Damdred wrote: Yeah idc if I'm voted you might have a point idk. But my reads are good Why are they good? | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:11 Damdred wrote: Ness is pretty much the easiest town read in the game atm. He's super town. Tt made a joke that made me laugh, mafia almost never make me laugh, Art is doing things that make him town. Rit is meta meta meta but he's town. Truffle is tone. So literally no reasoning worth anything. Jokes, things, metameta, and my personal favorite "eaisiest town read in the game" with 0 explanation. yeah okay lol great solid reads here. | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:18 Damdred wrote: Your right guys I'm 100% wrong. I'm sorry I'll be back later walk in, posts grarbage reads, gets called out, leaves. wow | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:29 Damdred wrote: Because rit is obvious town if you pay attention even if he a wrong. Mixture of tone posts and a couple of things Seriously Damdred, he's town b.c he is? Post some actual reasoning please. Im not a vet on these forums at all, just because 90% of everyone else is doesn't mean Im going to magically understand what "tone" means here. Post some actual reasoning please | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:41 rsoultin wrote: the annoyance was real lol it's all right @art if you mean the manufactured excuse to not read, i'm not sure it's as significant as you thought it was? if not, i don't see it. him pushing on damdy is pointless though ^^ Asking Damdred to explain his reads isn't pointless. Im not crying out that he's scum I'm asking him to explain his reads. Is that really pointless? | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:47 ritoky wrote: artanis is freely posting thoughts instead of releasing them in blocks of text. artans waits, sounds calculated, and posts in paragraphs/walls when he is scum. slam and rsoul are doing things that aren't alignment indicative but make me like them; plus slam is just hot irl. you're mafia because town GB calls that guy an idiot or worthless, town GB doesn't call him mafia. trfel is mafia cuz he sounded whimpy. having played with trfel as mafia recently, i think his biggest tell is that he sounds meek and whimpy as mafia. we done with your shitter read? ![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/c5d1933f5de28e7d39fe5405c65188fb/tumblr_mzb0vb9qKx1t7d0aqo1_250.gif) you like chu2 a bit too much, can we get some Haruhi gifs? | ||
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On December 27 2015 10:42 Trfel wrote: After skimming through some stuff, I kinda think that Artanis is right on ExO_ being mafia. I think that the meta comparison between ExO_'s play in Guardians of the Galaxy is somewhat useful as well (assuming I am remembering it correctly); there, he didn't seem annoyed, he seemed a bit more reserved and like he was trying to make the best with the situation instead of arguing and getting frustrated. I'll check tonight when I get better internet. ##vote ExO_ Have you read my posts here? I haven't argued, I pressed Damdred to explain his reads, b/c he offered 0 explanation for what he said. Now at least he's explained his thought processes. Am I annoyed b/c literally I get called scum immediately with 0 reasoning? ofc. But this seems to happen every game I play here. There's such a little post count here and yet somehow you think I've come across this game as argumentative. I don't think this is the case at all. I pressured one person for info, and got it. People like to look smart with there bullshit meta-reads on day 1, and that's what this is. | ||
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I'm not scum and once again I see that not being a regular here means I'm going to be scum read for stupid ass reasons. Honestly the first day here on TL sucks every time I've played here :/ | ||
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yeah yeah yeah whatever. Best part is, when I flip town you'll all just blame my play, instead of your shitty reads | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:07 nooniansoong wrote: @exo don't get mad. Just try to find scum and answer any questions people ask you. If we lynch you and you're town, that's our problem not yours. To an extent sure. But I don't win and I'm dead. And I want to win. not to mention if I don't even defend myself what good am I to town? I'm going to go eat dinner and have a rum&coke. be back in a bit | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:11 N e s s wrote: And i'm not going to write Exo off as scum myself. Sure, people are throwing scum! at him, but to me he reminds me alot of how i played in mafia. Getting accused then getting mad. He could be mafia, ![[image loading]](https://media0.giphy.com/media/k9XrZaAJuQyMU/200_s.gif) Yeah go for it. If you want to hurt town just lynch me b/c I'm tired of being accused of scum on nothing during day 1. I'm going to try my best to help town win but I'm not even going to be given the time of day. | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:29 ExO_ wrote: can somebody explain to me how the gunsmith works, and also what does RC stand for in mafia setup? | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:39 Holyflare wrote: A gunsmith gives a gun to a player at night. A RC is a role cop and can determine a player's role each night. does he give a gun with 2 shots, or 2 guns each with 1 shot? | ||
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Town: Damdred, ritoky Questionable: HF, trfel, artanis When I pushed Damdred for responses, he answered me. I think he could've very easily brushed me off with the mood in the thread at the time, but he didn't. Good enough so far for me. ritoky changed his logic and thinking on trfel mid post. Though I guess it's not necessarily alignment indicative I think backing off of trfel mid post as he types, seems towny to me. I don't see the incentive to do this if he was scum. Artanis/trfel - I initially had them both as town reads. Both of them seem to be playing off each other. Artansis specifically asking trfel what he thinks about something, then trfel coming in. But when I took a closer look at the filter, trfel immediately after scum reading me (following in artanis's lead) backs off it when the thread starts to shift away from scum reading me. I lean town on these 2 for now, but I think they're the same alignment: either both town or both scum. HF - Not a big fan of HF so far. Really pushing Vivax based only on his lack of responding. At first he was only questioning others without offering his own reads, but he did start to at least back up some of his reads in the bottom half of P1 in his filter. I'm not convinced this super heavy pushing of Vivax is entirely justified just yet. I think I really dislike HF's style of heavy asking questions rather than presenting a case, but this doesn't make him scum. I think in general HF asks too many questions that ultimately don't help with solving the game, while simultaneously offering up very little of his (is it her? I seem to recall HF being a woman) own opinions. But if I recall correctly I've had this opinion of HF in other games and it was incorrect. I lean scum on HF but not very heavily. Those are my initial impressions of people that have stuck out to me so far. | ||
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On December 27 2015 16:58 Onegu wrote: But dota first MMR? | ||
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On December 27 2015 17:14 rsoultin wrote: i'd pout for old time's sake but honestly...eh i've been kinda not bothering with you either ^^ hihi! disagree on the vivax thing with hf, predominately because it is known that vivax will play as town and not as scum, though it's also true that viva has been mislynched for deliberately playing to his scum meta as town (no i don't understand why people use this cop out way of making themselves harder to read instead of just working on their scum game, but whatevs). that's all to say i think it's a legit enough read PLUS if hf is scum he'd 100% buss a scum viva who wasn't playing anyway, so this doesn't really matter imo i like that you're focusing on the big names instead of lynchbait tho ^^ might bump you into my do not lynch pile with oneg now i really should sleep :/ why's onegu in a do not lynch pile? The guy's done nothing in the game this far. Until he actually makes some effort I don't see why he shouldn't be lynched as an inactive for instance. What makes you think he's worth keeping so far? | ||
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On December 27 2015 22:45 Vivax wrote: Trfel is town I think and BF is meh for voting him off like that, could be lazy town too but won't know it if it stays that way. ##Vote boxerfred this seems way out of left field. BF looks to me like he's basically inactive and doesn't give 2 fucks about this game. The trfel vote is bad but he looks to me more like a VT who just doesn't care about the game at all. | ||
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On December 27 2015 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: HF made a case on Ness, waited for him to respond to it whilst doing other shit and didn't attempt to bury him. I saw direction which I didn't really see with GB whom had to be reminded to look at him. Whereas HF decided he's probably town, GB's still on the fence but it doesn't feel like he's trying to actually find out N e s s's alignment, more just continuously explaining why he has this minor scumread. Could you clarify the bolded, what direction was HF taking here? | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: We use the word direction in different ways is the issue here  What she meant with direction I think is the focus on this one point. What I mean with direction is that he doesn't seem to steer towards getting a better read on ness, but keeps asking questions that don't actually help him. Do you really think GB's line of questioning indicates scum though? I didn't get that impression. also went through the list of players and I got the following: Inactives: Nooniansoong (kush) rels waylanner (0 posts since game start) moosydoosy (0 posts since game start) boxerfred coagulation The Shinging palmar I'm assuming people with 0 posts will be mod killed at the end of the day, but the rest of the players on this list have hardly any posts in the game and certainly aren't contributing anything. I left out onegu and obiwan but arguably they could go on this list as well. I think one off of this list should be killed if they do not start to be active in the thread in some way (and assuming that they won't be mod killed). | ||
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I disliked TickTock's post here: On December 27 2015 13:35 Tictock wrote: No thanks. Might vote Vivax though, we'll see. What had ticktock done in the thread so far? Posted a rhyme said I looked okay despite my open (without explaining why I looked okay, or why my open didn't look okay) and then said he "might" vote Vivax. Seems scummy to me | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The way he so clearly doesn't give a shit about how the thread perceives him gives me town vibes though. Does it? I don't seem to get a "I don't care what you think about me" vibe from him. I seem to get a wishywashy vibe that hasn't called anybody scum, has said a lot of "maybe" without explaining anything, and then disappeared. Looks scummy. I don't get an "I don't care" vibe at all here. | ||
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If she's all but claiming mason with coag, what's this mean with onegu. I cannot understand the "no lynch" on onegu like minutes after he enters the thread for the first time (and says nothing of consequence) | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point? I think it'd be too absurd of a scum game to be playing. I think that this is N E S S's first game here and he's trying to figure things out. The way he's reacted to things makes me think he's trying to prove himself, while being a little frustrated with the playerbase here (that is largely familiar with each other and not with him.). I don't get a scum vibe here. If he is scum, his team is really not giving him a lot of direction/help and leaving him out to dry, and I do not think that is whats happening here. | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: So your interpretation is that somneone who has played 10+ mafia games and is actually capable of at least looking like they are playing mafia properly doesn't have to do anything that makes any sense because "new forum"? What size forum did he come from? TL can be a very different beast from other mafia forums, and again it's really hard for me to imagine him playing such a wild scum game with his first game here. | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:53 GlowingBear wrote: Any read of your own, Artanis? I don't remember you going after Vivax for yourself, and I also remember you being directed by someone to check boxerfred's filter BF's filter is a joke | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:57 sicklucker wrote: hey art can you not lynch vivax at least till day 2? k thx. Like we have 5-7 players with historys of posting less then a page in 2 weeks and so many people want to lynch the most obvious mafia player in the game I just dont get it. Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush who exactly is suspicious to BF/Kush b/c I don't see them in this thread posting those suspicions | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm suspicious of BF. Problem is there's just one post to go off so eh. Im not against lynching BF b.c he's inactive as fuck not posting anything. But SL just said that "Especially when some of them are suspicious to people like bf/kush" meaning that according to bf/kush there are people that are suspicious. Except I don't see BF and kush saying anything like that | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:05 sicklucker wrote: im saying its day 1 we should prioritize lynching people with historys of not giving a shit and being unreadble. obviously lynching mafia is nice but lets be real base on one day of play the day one lynch is going to flip mafia like less then 40% of the time. I want the 60%+ of the time we miss to take out the trash. I think you misunderstood me exo. Like we can still get a >rand lynch and be garbage men at the same time okay I can largely agree with this sentiment. I would much rather vote off the inactives first, as I seem to recall in one of the games I've played here we just non-stop lynched super active townies and then afk scum won. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think i can read Vivax aswell. Why is he town then? you really think Vivax is a better lynch candidate than somebody like BF at this point? | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: From the people who have posted, yes. I have to disagree. I get that I might not be able to make the same metareads as others here, but is Vivax really THAT scummy to this point? Everything that makes Vivax scummy (low post count, not contributing a lot) BF is worse at. At least Vivax is somewhat active in the thread. People posting = more information. People like BF not posting do not add any information at all. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think this is a good comparison like you are doing it. BF has just.. not posted after his initial post. Vivax has posted but doesn't really say anything of value. Those two things are different. I guess. I'm hesitant to jump on the Vivax wagon though. I like the idea of killing off the inactive people first (esp on day 1 which I always feel like is a crapshoot). And HF was hard pushing for Vivax and I don't really trust HF at all. I'm more inclined to wait until day 2 for Vivax. | ||
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On December 28 2015 01:10 Coagulation wrote: So im town ask me questions. people I would like to see die in order of deadest. alakaslam > reduce thread reading time in half. artanis > for lulz What's your role? | ||
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and what is it? | ||
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On December 28 2015 01:39 Coagulation wrote: tree stump that's it? What an intro into the thread. So towny /s I think I'd be all for lynching coag if this is the shit we get | ||
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On December 28 2015 01:44 Coagulation wrote: calm your tits. you know what role I am and I know what role I am how does it do town any good fucking broadcasting it over and over to scum? Nope I'm not taking it. You're not getting a free pass from me. What role are you? I want you to commit to it right now. No back pedaling saying you didn't say anything later. What's your role? | ||
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On December 28 2015 01:47 Coagulation wrote: lol im a mason what the fuck. are you real? are there mafia bots playing here now? and who's your mason partner? | ||
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On December 28 2015 01:50 Coagulation wrote: I dont think so pal. Its up to her to reveal tha.. OH SHIT FUCK.. DAMN YOU GOT ME U GOOD AT MAFIAS. So why not just say it? | ||
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I don't believe rsoultin/coag are masons. I don't necessarily think they are scum buddies either. I think a huge variety of things could be happening here. but when rsoultin has been accused of being scum so far she kinda just goes "shrug nothing I can do to convince you guys". So I think rsoultin is scum, and coag is some non-scum role kinda just piggy bagging off rsoultin's "bread crumbing" to make up for his lack of posting. | ||
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On December 28 2015 01:52 Holyflare wrote: exo it's also time you air your grievances with me, what's up? without my notes it's harder for me to be precise (and people love to nit pick). but: I didn't like your questioning towards gummy bear. Even if the questioning wasn't perfect I feel like GB had some valid questions, and your questions towards him were just as if not more pointless than the questions he was asking. I didn't like how hard you were/are pushing Vivax. It doesn't make sense yet. I think there are better candidates but you haven't been driving discussion, just mindless pushing and encouraging others to push vivax. Going with that, I don't like how you kinda ask a lot of questions, but don't make a lot of statements on your own. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:06 Holyflare wrote: so then the real 2 masons just out and we have 2 mafia.... don't think that's a good plan exo Why should the mason's speak up? On this forum, I think it'd be more likely that 2 people who are VT fake claim mason rather than actual masons claim on day 1. I don't think that's the case here, but it's not impossible. What I don't think happened is rsoultin as a mason bread crumbed her mason buddy in this manner. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:14 Coagulation wrote: I can assure you all my pigs are oout the bag. man you're so smart and clever. Please keep adding to the game! | ||
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##Vote Coagulation If you can't be arsed to read the thread, answer any questions, or add to the game at all why the fuck are you here. Please go fuck off | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:24 Coagulation wrote: TOO LATE DICKHEAD I ALREADY FUCKED OFF ha ha ha ho ho ho! | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:26 Holyflare wrote: I think you're entirely on the wrong train of thought, rsoultin would absolutely breadcrumb like this because she's done the same thing before, it is also incredibly out of the blue for rsoultin to just randomly pick coagulation as a mason buddy to randomly put in a town list too, too many things don't add up. I don't think they are VT and I think you are following an end that has no real goal here. I think you should focus on other things and question people you scum read that aren't coag/based on something silly. You seem to have a problem with my posts and questions that seemingly lead nowhere (I'm pretty sure I've made cases on both vivax and GB early game) and I'd like you to point out some things that you had problem with in my posts and I can show you where they lead me. Or because I'm town and that would ultimately be a fruitless endeavor for you and me you could talk about some other intuitive tidbit you've seen. Give me an example of rsoultin breadcrumbing, particularly if its a player who hasn't posted, and when it turned out to be true. I think you're awfully quick to believe that rsoultin "bread crumbed here" and that she isn't scum. How can you be so sure that rsoultin is a mason? You really believe that she can't be scum, or fake claiming VT. It's not worth pursuing that line of thought at all? | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote: Himalayas Fidei. If they are fake claiming as VT they are bad and awful and should be killed regardless. I don't think they are based on their sarcastic responses to you. If just ONE real mason even claims then that outs two mafia or two silly VT's that I have no qualm lynching. You're jumping to unreasonable conclusions. This same line of thinking was applied to one of the games I played here (I think guardians but Im not sure) in which 2 players just straight up fake claimed. And both went along with it. It's at least worth considering. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:38 Holyflare wrote: or.... that they are both mafia -.-?????? yes. Either way it proves that they are in a QT. win win for town if they do. What's the downside to that? | ||
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I want Coag to get rsoultin to tell him what forum I met rsoultin on, and the name I went by over there. It'll settle my doubts, and get me off this case. It's a win win for town. It wouldn't take much effort either. If Coag/rsoultin can't be arsed to do that much then I'm going to continue thinking that rsoultin is scum and coag is either being played, or is scum too | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:57 N e s s wrote: Yeah, with that you're on me for the most BSist reasons. How am i sharing scum reads with anyone exactly? if you scum read Player A and somebody else also scum reads player A you share scum reads... like are you seriously trying to argue semantics or something? | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:05 N e s s wrote: apparently every time i play mafia people call me out and fuck with me until i get pissed, case proven right now. you were literally sharing scum reads with someone, and were saying you weren't. It makes 0 sense. Its impossible to comprehend | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:09 N e s s wrote: Yeah, i'm fucking pissed the hell off so just kill me already. No point in doing anything if all people are gonna do is say i'm full of shit no? Calm down. Actually read what other people are saying and what you yourself are saying. If you shared scum reads with someone so what? Don't act like it didn't happen. or worse. Actually try to present what you have to say instead of just yelling. It's fine to get upset. I get upset and say rude things all the time. But try to make a case and go somewhere with it, don't just be hostile with people because they accuse you of being scum. this is a mafia game, you're going to be accused of being scum. It's not personal, stop taking it that way | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:47 N e s s wrote: WHY i thought voting moose is idiotic because there was nothing to go off of from it. Honestly why can't people realize that, come the hell on people! You realize that we were voting for someone with no reason to. THATS why i was keen on not understanding why people were voting for him. I know that RVS means Random voting stage, but come on. I don't even use RVS that often. I don't know who moosey is, but I was able to figure out that it was a policy lynch joke vote. They were talking about it pre game. I don't see why you shouldn't have been able to figure that out as well. If you were reading the thread. Quite honestly I think you aren't reading the thread, and to make up for that you are yelling a bunch. Also fuck off HF with your holier than thou bullshit. I can expect people to read the thread, or be treated poorly for not doing so. | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:57 Holyflare wrote: Please don't talk to me in that regard I am a human being with feelings and will not be treated with such disrespect because you have some mental problem where you need to insult people. I am truly sorry for your aggression problems. Ness didn't even know the game had started and was wondering why people were voting Moosy even then it's not hard to expect he didn't know what was happening at the start too. Clever, chastise me for insulting you while subtly doing the same to me. If I get wordy with my insults, does that somehow make them any better? You're really white knighting for ness a bit too hard. Yes he's new, and if he wants to keep playing he can be a big boy and not throw a martyr temper tantrum. I don't think Ness is scum. But he needs to try at least. And HF, in this game, I don't give a flying fuck about your feelings. It's a game and if you can't stand how I talk to you, fuck off and ignore it. | ||
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On December 28 2015 04:06 Holyflare wrote: Please stop being so abrasive, I might get perturbed. God Forbid | ||
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rsoultin im dissapointed about how you've handled this so far. how hard would it be to tell coag what to say? it would take no effort at all and yet here we are. I'm not asking for too much, so prove it to me. | ||
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My feelings are that we should lynch one of the players that are all but inactive. Unless an ungodly strong case appears, and I doubt it will. Unfortunately I also believe too many here will believe they are too smart to lynch an inactive. But more active players = more information. And I feel like cases on d2 are gonna be better than the d1 crapshoot | ||
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I really think we should consider lynching an inactive, such as BF TickTock is okay (and the way he just ignores shining's case on him doesn't sit well with me) but I would still rather take out the trash and people who aren't here in the thread trying to help are better than lynching someone who is actively talking on day 1. Speaking of people not talking, here comes Palmar. Calls me town, and that's about it. Really fucking easy thing for a scum to do, walk into the thread and call a town a town. If this is all we get from Palmar, I think its scummy as hell. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Boxerfred | ||
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On December 28 2015 19:56 Tictock wrote: I assume you mean Rit's case, which I am ignoring Also Palmar seems pretty likely town imo, post he just made is some solid thinking What post did he make that was solid thinking? Seriously Palmar has hardly posted anything at all so far, I'd like to know what you thought was so solid about Palmar so far that you think hes town | ||
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On December 28 2015 20:11 boxerfred wrote: Shhhh dont lynch me dont lynch vivax rather lynch into exo for doing a 180 and set up a seemingly easy mislynch doing a 180? How so? I posted yesterday that we should lynch an inactive. If you can't be arsed to do anything in this game (which clearly you can't) then I think you should go. Fucking read the thread make some reads, is that so much to ask? | ||
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On December 28 2015 20:15 Palmar wrote: I'm going to guess he's talking about the post where I provided some solid thinking. We talking about the flying cows post? Or perhaps the one about the spiders dancing for the Queen of England, before eating her alive! Oh wait, just like the post with your solid thinking, none of those exist. | ||
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On December 28 2015 20:25 boxerfred wrote: Calm down, its what ill do, just not now. Shhh. Why me and not other inqctives such as slam? slam has a 4 page filter. You've hardly posted anything, but enough to make me think you won't get mod killed. | ||
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On December 28 2015 20:25 Palmar wrote: Just because I'm a nice guy (really...) The idea here is that I called you town and gave a reason for it. For the sake of this exercise let's consider you town, because otherwise this is a pointless effort. So as a townie, you have just been called town by someone, your job is now to figure out: a) Did Palmar want to call me town and made up some excuse to do it b) Did Palmar see something he found interesting, and made a conclusion based on the evidence These are really the only two options, you either believe the reason I gave for giving you a "maybe townread", or you don't. Ticktock probably reached the conclusion that my train of thought is genuine, that I actually believe you wouldn't come up with the theory you came up with as mafia, and thus my post was sincere. Now, interestingly, it's my job to try to figure out if Ticktock genuinely liked my post, or if he just saw me post something with some reasoning and decided to call me town for it because he wanted to do that anyway. I think it's a really easy read. What's interesting to me is you mention what went down with rsoultin/coag and the masons. So clearly you've read the thread. However you've only townread me so far, which is a pretty easy call to make at this point. Which makes me think you're trying to get town points for town reading me, when in reality it was a very easy thing to do. Town reading me can't be the only thing you have to offer. There's nothing particularly insightful about going along with what the rest of the thread has said before you. Any other thoughts, any scum reads? So far I think you look far more scummy trying to win a bit of town cred, than a late-to-the-party townie trying to solve the game. | ||
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On December 28 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote: I haven't read the thread. I've skimmed like 2 filters and read these last 2-3 pages. To be honest I don't believe you. If you were skimming around the part where I went off on rsoultin/coag you should know that I've been town read by most everyone. That being the case, it'd be easy to call me town, and what I said about trying to get town cred for making a townie read that everyone else has already made holds true. | ||
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On December 28 2015 21:08 Palmar wrote: I had no idea anyone else called you town. If you want a full disclosure on how I obtained the read on you it was like this: I respect rayn as a player so I clicked his filter and went right to his last page. on the top of page 8 of rayn's filter there is a conversation that involves all the required knowledge for me to draw the conclusions I have drawn (both about coag/rsoultin being the masons, and the evidence I used to draw the conclusion you might be town). You'll get no town cred from me, scum | ||
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The progression of our conversation just now: Palmar hasn't been around at all for this game so far Enters the thread by by town reading me, specifically for the masons incident with rsoultin/coag Claims he hasn't read any of the thread and that had no idea anybody else town read me I'm not sure I believe his claim that he's read so little, or that he had no idea anybody else townread me. I think he's lying, and therefore I think he's scum. | ||
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On December 28 2015 21:24 nooniansoong wrote: So you think he read a lot and is saying he didn't read anything because it makes him look townier? Really? Not reading the thread is very believable to me. Not reading the thread, yet town reading me for the exchange between myself/rsoultin/coag isn't believable to me. | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:23 Vivax wrote: Lynching HF D1 would be glorious. Id pay 5 bucks to see that I'd be down for a HF lynch | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:24 MoosyDoosy wrote: tbh if I was Mafia in this situation I would make trash posts and glide by. Kind of like what I'm doing now .:D when a gunsmith makes a gun, does the person get to shoot it that night or the next? Either way please give me a gun so I can shoot this guy, or whoever gets the gun please shoot him | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:27 Holyflare wrote: ExO do you have an anger management problem? You seem to irrationally hate things that have done nothing to you. You think I'm scum reading you purely out of irrational hate? As I said HF, it's a game. And your attempt to incite an outburst of a response from me has failed. That being said I think I prefer HF lynch to TT at this point and am willing to attempt to start the train ##unvote ##Vote HolyFlare | ||
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On December 28 2015 16:04 Tictock wrote: I'm sure this got brought up, but SL you missed Vivax last game as barely present mafia. He's also not as enthusiastic as he was in the town game you are referencing here. Somewhere in-between I'd say. + Show Spoiler + Re-looking at TT's filter, these posts were back-back. He tells SL that he missed Vivax as mafia in the previous game, implying that Vivax could be a mafia sliding by this game, but then says to keep me around for not wanting to get rid of Vivax? It doesn't make sense. Am I misreading it or? Either way I think I might be more inclined to go back to TT | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: So that would only make HF mafia if TicTock is scum right? Because otherwise he is refusing to vote for a townie -- which is not scummy. I am not going to check rn if your story stands up or not, because i don't think that makes HF mafia even if it does. I think you are exaggerrating the "reluctant to lynch" thing. isn't a matter or refusing to vote for what he thinks isn't a townie? If HF thinks TT is scum then why would he be hesitant to vote him? The only reason to be hesitant about lynching a townie here (who HF suspect is mafia) is that he knows that TT is town and the only way he'd know that is if he was scum | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I feel pretty much the same way and am now bored until the flip. Can you break down your case on TT? | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you can't find it in the OP PM the hosts. it's not explained in the OP (or I just missed it) | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also Rayn if you thought I'd ever post a chart-related reason like that as scum and not actually have a chart you're very silly I can't actually be arsed to make charts as scum though. Nor have an 8 page filter on D1 unless I really really like my team. I'm so tried of everyone saying; I can't be arsed to do X as scum. That's only true until it isn't anymore. | ||
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explain this for me for starters then: On December 29 2015 03:48 ExO_ wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2015 16:04 Tictock wrote: I'm sure this got brought up, but SL you missed Vivax last game as barely present mafia. He's also not as enthusiastic as he was in the town game you are referencing here. Somewhere in-between I'd say. + Show Spoiler + Re-looking at TT's filter, these posts were back-back. He tells SL that he missed Vivax as mafia in the previous game, implying that Vivax could be a mafia sliding by this game, but then says to keep me around for not wanting to get rid of Vivax? It doesn't make sense. Am I misreading it or? Either way I think I might be more inclined to go back to TT | ||
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HAHAH HOHOHO joke was so funny well done! | ||
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TT is talking so much now but I still tend to think he's scum. I think some of the people who switched off of TT are scum (Palmar is pretty glaring). And though I'm sure it'll change and he'll squirm and scream I think I'm going to tunnel Palmar. And if somehow it becomes obvious that Vivax isn't JK, should lynch him too, imo. | ||
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On December 29 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote: Outside of palmar who else do you think is most likely scum flipper? Without looking at it too closely, Damdred's flip seems suspect to me. I don't really like your flip either. I need to go re-read what happened before I took a nap (that turned into like 4 hours of sleep lol) and see exactly how this went down. And where the fuck is coag? For being basically confirmed masons, coag is being complete trash, and I'm not too happy with rsoultin either. I really hope a pair of masons CC them. But its irrationally stupid for both of them to be scum and claiming mason early, which mean coag just isn't giving a damn :/ | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:41 ritoky wrote: well and TT did this last game where some1 made a case on him, he had lynch pressure, then he spammed a bunch of posts for some TRs, then fucked off. spoiler: he was mafia in that game. i really wanna vote vivax with rayn tho, but i pretty much agree with HF that i think he is just JK doing some dumb shit. this is exactly what just happened. You called it, and yet you still switched. (I'm currently on page 93, but if you switched after saying this there better be a damn good explanation) | ||
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On December 29 2015 18:26 Tictock wrote: This has happened D1 in the last 3 games I played. Huanted Mansion - I was Town Nutcraker - I was Mafia And now here. Though I'm amazed that Rels actually got lynched over me. It's funny you said "swapped in a couple hours" in an earlier post kus it was more a matter of minuets that it all went down. yes it was. I went to sleep about 2 hours before EoD, which is why I said a couple of hours. This whole thing went down so suddenly. So I'll walk you through where I'm at right now: Palmar just switched out of the blue. No explanation. I want one. Koshi's vote change seems suspect to me as well. I don't see why he did it. Damdred's vote change is shitty, but at least he was talking about rel prior to the last second vote swapping Ritoky literally calls that if TT is scum he'll come in and talk at the last second and get it switched to someone else. Then helps this precise thing to happen. What the fuck. I could keep going but basically everyone flip flopped without explaining why. I get that it was last second but it seems fucked up. Damdred is the only person that I see that showed interest in rels before hand. So what I'm sitting here trying to figure out, is what motivation does mafia team have to make all of these vote shenanigans happen if TT isn't scum? I can't come up with anything that is super reasonable. If TT is mafia, then I can understand the last second vote switching (giving very little time for reaction/discussion.) I think it's possible mafia saw damdred and somebody else say rels and ran a gamble to pull votes off TT. But it all hinges on TT being mafia. If he isn't then I'm at a bit of a loss. I think TT should be our next lynch (at least for now) because if he is mafia it'll really help to clear things up, and if he isn't mafia it'll at least provide more information to work with. The other thing I'm really struggling with, is HF jumping onto the TT wagon at the end. Is he scum trying to earn a bit of town cred by saying he tried to save the mislynch, or is he town actually trying to prevent a last second vote swap off a target that he himself didn't think was worth voting for. idk, was such a stupid vote switch and it's messing with my ability to think it through :/ | ||
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the stupid vote switch I'm referring to is the mass vote switch to rels. As much as I dislike HF I'd hate for him to assume I'm antagonizing him over this specifically, at least not yet. | ||
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On December 29 2015 18:56 Palmar wrote: Exo, it's always in mafia's favour to have chaos. I know this sounds hypocritical, but it's usually great for mafia to have town do these last minute shenanigan switches because it reduces reasoning and discussion to something very low level (my own reasoning being an example, I literally voted someone for having a less than 2 page filter). So even if TT is town, this was good for mafia, especially if in the process people who aren't mafia (me, for example) are being implicated. so why did you switch then? You didn't even post in the main thread that you were switching | ||
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On December 29 2015 18:56 Palmar wrote: Exo, it's always in mafia's favour to have chaos. I know this sounds hypocritical, but it's usually great for mafia to have town do these last minute shenanigan switches because it reduces reasoning and discussion to something very low level (my own reasoning being an example, I literally voted someone for having a less than 2 page filter). So even if TT is town, this was good for mafia, especially if in the process people who aren't mafia (me, for example) are being implicated. and continuing on this line of thought, if it is in mafia's favor am I supposed to believe that 9 townies switched their votes at the last second? I don't think I do | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:44 Palmar wrote: On phone don't think I'll be at a computer before deadline. Very willing to shennie onto gb or kush that's about it. No mention of rels or anything else. | ||
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"I'm right and if you don't agree you're stupid".....well fucking great! It's not making anything you say more plausible to me. | ||
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I'm gonna keep reading, but I can't see how we don't lynch Palmar today. Maybe TT, but I think palmar is the better choice. Either way, I think both are scum | ||
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therefore either Vivax is scum, they believe rayn was more a threat as town/wouldn't actually tunnel Vivax, or scum wants us to think that Vivax is scum and therefore they killed rayn. Should watch Vivax closely. I've found him really hard to understand this game. | ||
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On December 30 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote: exo are you caught up fully with the thread? For the most part. If I understand correctly: Mafia has 2 kills, and then a 2 shot vig. Which explains the 3 deaths. Onegu is claiming a red check on TT, with no counter claim so far. I'm inclined to believe him b/c of the post TT made with the popcorn. I think TT is scum. Artanis and Rayn were both convinced Palmar was scum. And I tend to agree. I'm in favor of lynching Palmar today for this reason: This means that if somebody CC's Onegu's claim we're not having last minute vote shenanigans again. If nothing changes in regards to TT then I think one of our gunsmith's shoot him. I think I need to go really closely read how the vote switching happened. Who switched. Why they said they switched. I think some clues are there. And I think Artanis/rayn's filter should be read closely as well. | ||
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On December 30 2015 18:16 ritoky wrote: Why do you prefer a lynch on a scum read (to which there is a level of uncertainty) versus a player who is red checked by an uncc'd cop and CC'd for the role he claimed (which seems far more definitive)? What's the difference between lynching TT and shooting palmar and why is the opposite preferable? Because rayn/Artanis both felt strongly about Palmar. I think Palmar is regarded well enough to have more influence on the game, and possibly talk his way out of this. TT isn't making it to the end of this game regardless, Palmar might find a way to talk his way out of it. I think Palmar is scum, and I don't want to give him a chance to slip by. If possible I'd like to avoid voting Shenanigans at the end of the day today, and one way I could see that happening is somebody CCing onegu and then we end up lynching the wrong person again. I can't see a world in which somebody would CC onegu, and claim they got a green check on Palmar, it would look to obviously wrong. So if we lynch Palmar, shoot TT we get the most amount of scum, with the least amount of risk. | ||
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On December 30 2015 18:19 ritoky wrote: also by "one of our gunsmiths" you mean me. you make the guns, or have one? | ||
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On December 30 2015 18:32 ritoky wrote: I am having trouble grasping this. It's been nearly half a day and almost every player has been to the thread and posted at least once; so the # of people who a CC to onegu could come from is extremely limited. Further if someone CC's onegu in the final hours, it is just awful play....like really bad; but beyond that it doesn't explain TT getting CC'd on top of the red check by damdred. On top of that TT not claiming GS under impending lynch yesterday makes no sense at all. He will claim under red check but not under imminent death? What? It would take one helluva last minute CC to cause shenanies. Plus as of now I am shooting palmar which was what rayn and i had been saying all night before checks and cc's happened. Sure, but I was pretty much under the impression TT was a lock yesterday. I find it hard to imagine shenanigans happening again, as well, but I'd rather reduce the risk. I'm 99% on both TT and Palmar and would be okay with a lynch on either of them. I feel like Palmar lynch and shooting TT is safer, but I'm fine with it the other way. And I feel like in every TL mafia game I play, the logic by the end of a 48 hours period changes quite a bit. People can't stand sitting on the same target all day. I'm incredibly worried somebody is going to out-think themselves and we switch targets to another stupid target :/ | ||
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On December 30 2015 23:19 nooniansoong wrote: Why would you prefer a Palmar lynch to a lynch on certain scum? Is it not certain to you? Also why would Palmar not survive until d3? "Somehow" implies he will probably be dead by then. b/c if we're not lynching him he should be shot? somehow implying that our shooters were RBed or something | ||
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On December 30 2015 23:55 sicklucker wrote: true I had zero reads on rels I thought it was random and pretty much all day tt was my backup lynch to hf. However rels comment about "whatever guys im going to sleep so i wont even see my flip" was just such a bad reaction. In hindsight he probably just wanted out of the game lol. Ticktock while general was bad 1 or 2 minuted before deadline he made a post I thought a town would do so I decided not to change. Like I said I joined the bandwagon with the intention of switching back and I had it on copy/paste but the players reactions got me in the end Don't come in saying you were going to switch back. You didn't, and it bothers me that you're trying to said you switched with the intention of switching back. like really I didn't see any reactions during that 10 min period (or so) that would make you pause on the switch back. | ||
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On December 31 2015 00:06 nooniansoong wrote: Why did you say "if" in "if palmar is scum and somehow manages to survive until D3 we need to lynch him then"? You think palmar is scum and you want to lynch him. So i don't see where the "if" comes into play. Yes? but it looks like we're going to lynch TT today. so if he doesn't get shot in the night we need to lynch him | ||
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People on TL think they are too smart for their own good. Unless Damdred and Onegu are scum, then we had 2 players fuck over everyone else, because they're smart enough to fake claim. There was no scum hunting yesterday like at all. Part of it was the super long day, but I think I was convinced like most people that TT was scum. The only silver lining imo is that Damdred or Onegu is almost certainly scum, but if they aren't then Jesus Christ. And the second is I'm not sure how much help I can be. It's hard to play when you're demotivated. Clearly my thoughts about scum need to be reevaluated because I was sure TT was scum. TT's play didn't help but I'm not sure where to go from here. idk. Somebody point me in a direction because right now I'm feeling pretty meh :/ | ||
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On January 02 2016 09:42 Damdred wrote: Someone explain to me especially exo why my claim fucked over everyone when the red check already had like 9 people voting. Unless the Dt cc you always lynch the red check. I might of did a horrible play given the results but everyone going crazy when a blue role claimed Miller and onegu faked a red check is unbelievable to an extent. God fuck this lol Onegu is just as bad, actually worse. But I don't know onegu very well. I know you a little better. TT is probably still getting lynched. But you shut down all discussion with that CC. It was a lock and because of that we gained no information day 2 basically. And now to be sure we have to kill you and onegu, and Jesus Christ if you both are town it's completely killing us. All because you 2 were sure enough TT was scum to fake claim to the rest of us. It makes it hard to analyze what's happened so far. I mean what was the fake claim supposed to accomplish, if not taking away town's ability to discuss and forcing us to lynch who you thought was a target? | ||
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On January 02 2016 10:52 ritoky wrote: exo, i need you to do this for me: i don't care if the list is like 2 or 3 people right now, i would just like to know. I wouldn't shoot Myself, SL, or (I can't believe i'm saying this) Koshi right now. What I will say think closely about who would be scum based on this flip. Not that it's much help but meh. | ||
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On January 02 2016 12:37 nooniansoong wrote: 1. All this sounds like an easy way for Exo to contribute while not having to scumhunt. Scum can discuss mechanics like anybody else. Why does it matter to scum which of palmar or exo gets lynched and which gets shot? It doesn't So he picks what he thinks looks townier. 2. Illogical fear is scummy. It's illogical. It doesn't make sense. It's fake. 3. He did it because he thought it was an easy way to look town. 4. Don't see why that is townie. 5. He wasn't coming up with scumreads so it wasn't hard for him. I think I've done more scum hunting than you have. Esp. on day 1 you were largely out of the picture. The idea that I'm somehow scum out of this is more tinfoil hatty than any theory I've come up with so far this game | ||
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Do you want me to elaborate on the Artanis/Rayn part? I can go quote them, but you're quite capable of reading the back end of their filters yourself. Both of them agreed on palmar, and if they were both completely on the wrong track I'm not sure scum would've killed them As for my thinking his play this game makes me think he's scum: starts with the above. If you look, he's kinda in the thread but hasn't really contributed anything to solving the game. He's kinda just going with the flow. I can build a better case on him, but tbh I'm lazy and want to see the results of the night before I do anything. | ||
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On January 03 2016 00:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm aware of artanis/rayn scumreading him but I'm not sure that's enough on its own - both of them make plausible n1 targets regardless of their reads (I even shot rayn myself a few games ago even though he was wrong on everything.) I'd like to see your case and I'm perfectly happy to wait until night's end to read it. I'm not gonna be shot anyway so it probably doesn't matter. and how do you know scum isnt going to shoot you? | ||
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On January 03 2016 00:45 Palmar wrote: There isn't really anything to do Exo. Since Onegu's claim yesterday the game has mostly been on autopilot. We had to lynch tictock based on the information available (although I want to mention that yesterday I'm fairly certain a couple of people used tictock flipping mafia and me participating in the shennies off of him was indicative of me being scum, clearly that was not true). Now we have to lynch Onegu and Damdred, although they should 100% focus on not defending themselves but to try to build cases on people who they think might be scum. The best way to convince me to not lynch them is to make someone else a higher lynch target priority. tbh I tend to believe Damdred isn't scum. I feel like the move he made was arrogant and really screwed town over but I don't think he makes that move as scum. and its too wifom to think he did that knowing that people would later think its something he wouldn't do as scum and therefore he did it as scum. Onegu I have more trouble understanding, and thus believe its much more likely he's scum. So I'll be behind an Onegu lynch, but probably not a Damdred one right away | ||
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On January 03 2016 02:31 Damdred wrote: I really hate little barbs against me more than anything but meh. TT was going to be lynched d1 before rels reacted badly he had 23:40-23:59 minutes to convince us he was town and failed to do so. He 100% would of been lynched and never even hinted that he was blue, he never tried to save himself with that information. TT then claims miller against a fake dt check and acts like he believes it. Then only after prodding from people in the thread did he u claim miller and then claim blue. And only after another post by koshi did he claim mafia. So anyone saying I ruined the day is delusional or that my movement was arrogant. All of tt actions basically said he was scum. But I'm sure certain people will still say I ruined the day etc. you ruined the discussion. you fake claiming Combined with his actions made it seemingly pointless. It was a lock he was scum. Nobody even considered anything else. And if as you say it was a lock regardless of your fake claim, why did you fake claim>? | ||
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On January 03 2016 02:58 Damdred wrote: And the only discussion I even remotely helped ruin was on someone who didn't claim there role when they were 100% going to be lynched the day before then basically claimed scum the next day. So if that ruined all discussion that day its....yeah there are tons of other things/people to discuss besides tt other people being bad doesn't excuse you from being bad. And you fake claiming was 100% arrogance. | ||
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On January 03 2016 03:16 Damdred wrote: Actually exo is saying I am the sole reason. Which could be scum trying to tilt me tbh No I'm not. It was just as much (if not more) onegu's fault, and TT's play was really horrendous. That doesn't excuse you | ||
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On January 03 2016 11:37 nooniansoong wrote: because you think he's town or you think im scum? because I think you're scum, not necessarily because I think slam is town. I'm not sure what I think of slam atm | ||
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I haven't read, but we need to lynch palmar today. Artanis/Rayn both thought Palmar was scummy. And with just about every other person I thought was scum dead it's my best lead. Specifically at Ritoky, what do you think of lynching Palmar today? | ||
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On January 04 2016 15:03 ritoky wrote: i'll lynch palmar, idgaFUCK. the 2 non-confirmed town voting on him are kinda sketch tho. idk i prefer slam cuz i just think he is ezpzmafiasqueezy. dunno how anyone is voting on 1gu, literal 0 people have rebutted how i basically confirmed him and damdred as town, which was pretty baller. 8/10 woulda been 10/10 if shot hit mafia too. I'll clearly sheep on palmar, but I could be swayed to slam. I just feel like Palmar has to be scum. But so far this game I've been mostly wrong :/ | ||
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On January 05 2016 04:59 ritoky wrote: feeling worse than i did yesterday...giant switch to gb. is there a case on gb that someone can quote me? I'm sheeping you ritoky so wherever you end today Ill follow | ||
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And Palmar/Onegu being on GB doesn't help encourage me either. I really believe Ritoky and Damdred are town but I'm not sure if this is the right course of action. I still think palmar is scum and he managed to talk himself out of being scum read. | ||
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On January 05 2016 07:34 sicklucker wrote: Remember yesterday how I covered that shennanies are the worst thing ever with two huge poweroles out there? Gb is not one he woulda claimed already palmar or slam might be And if Palmar is scum he'll claim a power role regardless. If we screw this lynch up we don't have any more mistakes we can make. And I truly believe Palmar is scum. | ||
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Because of the way you've played so far. You didn't care at all about the early game lynches, only showed up at the end of day 1. And you've been very okay with however anything goes. Until you got some pressure on you today you weren't caring at all who was lynched. Artanis and Rayn both thought you were scum | ||
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On January 05 2016 07:44 nooniansoong wrote: fuck meetings so hard. now i have to drive home. See how easy it was to get a majority on GB? That's because he's town. Ask yourself, who is the scumteam? Most of them are on GB. Switch to alakaslam. This is the last plea I will make. we dont have time/people to switch to slam. either switch to Palmar or we're gonna be stuck with GB | ||
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On January 05 2016 07:47 Palmar wrote: We're not fucking switching to me. We're switching to slam if anything. Maybe NM or OO What the hell is your problem man. I think you're scum. Do you think this is personal or something? Unlike HF I haven't tried to insult you or anything. But based on your play, and all of the talkative townies this far thinking your scum I think you are indeed scum. I thought if you got a lot of pressure on you, you'd come out talk a lot and convince people not to lynch you. Which is what it seems like to me has happened. | ||
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On January 05 2016 07:54 sicklucker wrote: Hum so we lynch exo tormorow Why would you lynch me? I'm somehow scum now? Either way I'll argue with you in a sec. Right now we need to focus on this vote | ||
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On January 05 2016 07:57 Palmar wrote: you're not trying to re-evaluate your reads, you're just happy with a massive status quo of a lynch list that you want to go down. You could very well be scum, especially based on your complete reluctance to admit any of my effort today. I bet you barely even read it. I'll freely admit I didn't read the walls of text you posted. I skimmed them but I definitely didn't read them super closely. And I don't think anything you say is going to cause me to reevaluate you. Unless somebody like Damdred or Ritoky can explain to me why you are super townie I'm going to continue thinking you are scum. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:22 GlowingBear wrote: Ok I've caught up. I think Rayn is town. I think Exo is town. I think sicklucker might be town. I'm not sure on Ness. I have plenty of suspicions on him but I think that thing Sicklucker said about asking questions in the QT actually makes sense. I have to decide whether it is fakeable or not. I'm also not sure on Ritoky, I've been reevaluating and I believe I may have been nitpicking him for that particular post, which brings him back null Artanis looks scummy, I hated his list post. Tictock looks scummy for his lack of pushes + his joke on hammering me and going after me felt pretty off. Rayn was town. I'm town. I'm willing to bet SL is town too now | ||
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On December 29 2015 07:59 GlowingBear wrote: TT, HF, Ness and Palmar Makes so much sense more from GB. TT and HF were both town. Not that it really clears Ness (NM) and Palmar as he could've bused 1-2, but I think it's worth re-mentioning. So far just quickly going through GB's filter he didn't post many big read posts. | ||
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On January 02 2016 11:41 GlowingBear wrote: I don't know what you mean, why should I have to mention any of their posts now? I've spoke way more that you guys make it sound. I've said I think Exo and SL are town. I've just retracted my scum read on Ness, and you, since, in fact, Tictock flipping town makes all my points against you moot again. I think we should shoot Onegu and discus Damdred tomorrow. If we keep thinking "oh, these guys might be town because it is too suicidal to do as Mafia" we open space to Mafia do anything that they want. Especially, if something is "too suicidal to be coming from Mafia", it turns out to be not suicidal at all, isn't it? I don't have a good idea about anyone else in the game. I've been skimming a lot through posts. I might take a better look at the thread tomorrow Again I'm town and because of how much GB kept saying SL is town I'm inclined to believe SL is town | ||
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On January 05 2016 08:13 sicklucker wrote: Gb spewed OO town btw. like 100% other than not wanting to switch to OO at the end, where was he really saying he was town? I'm not seeing it skimming the filter other than at the very end | ||
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On January 05 2016 08:17 sicklucker wrote: Ya well im obviously town and if you dont know that your not reading the game. Like I said I always kill gb as mafia and he wanted to buddy up and thats why I got suspect statements like this do nothing to convince me though. I believe you're are town because of what GB said, but I don't really care about what you say you always do in other games. You'll always kill GB as mafia, until you don't. For this specific game it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't help that I'm not as familiar with everyone's "meta" but I tend to ignore "meta" based reads. | ||
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On January 05 2016 23:44 Palmar wrote: Like I know this is massive wifom, but at least think about exo if I die GB twice called SL and myself town. He also called rayn town (who was town). Scum love to call town as town. I think you want to lynch me because I thought you were scum who talked his was out a lynch. I'm still not 100% sure that isn't the case here. But if you want to omgus lynch me you'll only have 1 more mislynch in the entire game you can make. Unless of course you're scum then killing me is obviously in your favor. | ||
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On January 06 2016 00:09 Palmar wrote: Basically my problem with Exo is that he changed his mind on me after the lynch. Sure, I lynched mafia, but all the concerns people had about me should have remained true in their mind even after the flip. If someone does mafia things he is mafia, even if he randomly votes for scum. woah woah woah back up. I said I had to reevaluate you, not that I changed my mind on you. Don't try to misrepresent what I said. | ||
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On January 06 2016 00:12 Palmar wrote: I don't read dead mafia filters. That's how you lose games. (example: guardians of the galaxy) Isn't that skipping a lot of valuable information? Like that just sounds idiotic to not read the filter of a confirmed scum | ||
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It hasn't yet. I just woke up. And instead of reading I'm in here right now making sure you aren't coming up with some silly way to misrepresent what I said then bash me for it | ||
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On January 06 2016 00:27 Palmar wrote: No, this is why you're mafia. You give no opportunity and use predetermined conclusions. You have decided I am mafia and thus if I talk myself out of a lynch I am mafia talking myself out of lynch. You don't even stop to think "what would town Palmar do". Because if you're just looking at the action (ie: talking myself out of a lynch), and doing it makes me mafia, then I suppose you'd have expected me as town to just get lynched because why? There is literally no course of action that would make you stop thinking I'm mafia, which means you've decided what I am a long time ago and will just say whatever you think supports that conclusion. I have literally no control over slam's alignment. Hell, if he flips mafia I'm more likely to be town because I fucking brought up the point gb didn't vote on his counterwagon despite being in the thread at least close to the deadline. You don't get to call me scum by association. You're mafia. Now die. What was it, 1 page ago I was scum for thinking you're townie after the flip, a few posts later I'm scum because I won't change my mind on you. The fuck is the irrational pushing of me. I'm in the middle of reading your filter. As I said I owe you a relook. But are you kidding me with this? No matter what I say you're trying to skew it in some way. God I really hope you are scum. Aren't you supposed to be a vet of TL mafia? Being this stubborn and quite frankly stupid is going to lose town the game. | ||
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Now? I'm not sure. I'm trying to objectively read your filter (which is hard btw considering you are still in the thread trying to skew what I'm saying then bash me for it) and see what I might've missed. The possibility you are scum and have talked your way out is still in my mind. I need to see when exactly you started posting. Was it a reaction to pressure? Do the reads you posted that I largely ignored at the time (because I was sure you were scum) have useful information, or is it all stuff to kinda skirt by. So I can't say what will convince me you are town. We'll see after I read the filter | ||
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On January 06 2016 00:41 nooniansoong wrote: So here you are arguming that scum never call other scum town? On day 1 of the game, and then multiple times? I'd say its unlikely. | ||
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On January 06 2016 00:44 Palmar wrote: I am not being stubborn. And it's not me who is skewing your words as much as the opposite. "What was it, 1 page ago I was scum for thinking you're townie after the flip, a few posts later I'm scum because I won't change my mind on you." I am talking about how and why, not what. I didn't call you scum for thinking I'm townie. I called you scum for thinking I'm townie while not in any way removing previous suspicion. IE you took WHAT happened without even thinking about HOW it happened. Again that isn't the case though. Somehow saying I need to reevaluate you = I think you're townie without suspicion in your mind. It's completely misrepresenting what I said. | ||
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On January 06 2016 00:44 Palmar wrote: I am not being stubborn. And it's not me who is skewing your words as much as the opposite. "What was it, 1 page ago I was scum for thinking you're townie after the flip, a few posts later I'm scum because I won't change my mind on you." I am talking about how and why, not what. I didn't call you scum for thinking I'm townie. I called you scum for thinking I'm townie while not in any way removing previous suspicion. IE you took WHAT happened without even thinking about HOW it happened. You even admit that you have no idea how it happened. You literally don't care about the process of things that ended up with me getting GB lynched. You don't care if my logic was sound you don't care if it was just a shitty bus or an actual analysis. And now I'm calling you mafia not for being stubborn, but because you're being stubborn in a way that doesn't make any logical sense for a townie. The only trigger to re-evaluating my alignment is that some random dude I happened to want to kill turned out to be mafia. Even then you have no idea if I just bussed him as scum or if I actually got him lynched legit. I thought GB was town I was pretty sure of it. So I didn't really care about the process leading to his lynch at the time, because I thought he was town. I was concerned with getting the wagon off of GB at all costs. I have to reevaluate you, because I was wrong on GB. If I was wrong on GB I might also be wrong about the motivations leading to his lynch. However I'm really struggling to do that right now b/c I have to read your filter while replying to this thread. And its very hard to getting an objective mind when you are sitting here skewing everything I say. | ||
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On January 06 2016 00:54 Palmar wrote: Why would you strive to do that when your perspective up until now has been "fuck objectiveness, I religiously think palmar is mafia" Again, I thought I was right. Until something upsets the status quo (me being wrong on GB) I'm going to continue thinking I'm right. No reason to be objective on you if you're scum. Again 4 dead townies (townies btw that you all called as town before they died, something I've come across reading right now) thought you were scum. | ||
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On December 29 2015 23:22 Palmar wrote: Status report thing: Town: Coag (mason) Rsoultin (mason) Maybe Town: rayn: he's annoyingly suspicious of me but most of the other things he has done this game look like town rayn. He's agitated but involved. He doesn't take bullshit and he does the thing which he always does as town. When he called me out based on the switch to Vivax thing earlier today it was a super red text/green text rayn moment, even if it was based on him misunderstanding Exo: I'm less sure because he hasn't done jack shit today and I feel like he was not much involved yesterday. However I think the point I made yesterday about his paranoid scenario regarding the masons is still much more likely to come from town. Koshi: He lead the shennies which isn't scummy at all. He's also been spiteful and tonally "correct" this game. He isn't timid and doesn't ask shitty questions. It's mostly a tone read but still, I think it's ok. Maaaaaaaaybe town: HF: He hasn't said anything particularly annoying that I've noticed, and I also feel like he isn't actively looking for a fight which he does a ton as mafia. He off-handedly called GB mafia yesterday in such a casual way. He's perfectly capable of playing like this as mafia, but if I try to not be too paranoid I'd probably bet on town. Trfel: He said something at some point that I liked. I can't really remember what or why, but I'm trusting my earlier read until I have a reason not to Other people I know something about but don't really have an opinion on: Vivax: Should be shot. Can't be allowed to live until lylo, but I have no idea if he's scum or just a moron. Ritoky: He made a case that I didn't read, but at least he made a case so... idk? Damdred: I don't remember him saying anything particularly intelligent which is a good way to townread him, and I feel like he's been background-y and meh. But I also know that usually when I think Damdred is mafia he isn't. People I haven't read/don't remember/decided to ignore Onegu sicklucker OO Moosey boxerfred ness Slam Obiwan Shining Ticktock There's probably quite a few mafia in this list. if I'm wrong about 1-2 of my scummy people there's 2-4 mafia in the peopel that I've ignored because that's the way it always is. I'll try to work on this list tonight and tomorrow if I'm alive. Maybe scum: Kush: Bad vote on me, called out Exo for things he didn't understand. He's been pretty shit all over Artanis: he's being super reasonable and willing to listen to people. I know he isn't rayn or some other tunnel god, but still, it's a bit over the top how much he's trying to let other people form their own opinions and barely prodding it. Just like yesterday I didn't read his ows case I haven't read hf today and he doesn't really seem to care. Probably scum: GlowingBear: called me out in a really awkward way yesterday and then got into a argument I think. The main thing is that he was reading a conversation about a thing, and then asked about the very thing the conversation was about. It's 100% clear he wasn't actually reading the part of the thread he asked about, he just saw something and ran with it. Day 2 your hardest scum read turns out to be scum. The only interaction you had with him was: On December 29 2015 03:57 Palmar wrote: How can you not know the answer to this when the argument That followed was literally about the very source of my info | ||
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On December 30 2015 01:16 Palmar wrote: Actually screw it. I just looked at artanis' filter. He didn't mention me at all before this. He started out yesterday by asking me to look into OWS then not caring that I didn't. Same thing with HF this night. He did at some point start going along with thread sentiment. "Could probably lynch Palmar" "Should look more into Palmar" etc But no reasons, no proof that he has actually read it. Then he returns to the thread and suddenly it's "I WILL LITERALLY SKULLFUCK YOUR CORPSE PALMAR", and I'm like "dude relax". The only reasonable explanation is that artanis actually read through my filter and now believes he found something. The problem of course is he's been bitching about not being able to play so I really doubt that. I also feel like he would've mentioned it if he read through my filter. This makes him mafia every time. + Show Spoiler + On December 30 2015 01:25 Palmar wrote: The fact other people have the same thoughts as me does not invalidate mine. And I doubt anyone explained the exo thing with the reason I did, although I don't quite know. And this is where my scum reading of you really starts. I agree with what Artanis said. you hadn't done much to advance the thread. You mostly had repeated other people's opinions up to this point in various ways. You say Artanis is either scum or he found something on you. We know he Artanis isn't scum, so at this point I'm inclined to agree with what Artanis was saying. Hell you yourself earlier in your filter you said Artanis was being very reasonable. | ||
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On January 04 2016 22:42 Palmar wrote: it'd be really grand for town if I actually flipped mafia after this, so many associative reads to be had. On January 04 2016 22:39 Palmar wrote: (the reason I'm doing these is that there is a very real chance there is enough lynch inertia to just kill me today even if no one is really sure why. I'm trying to be useful! Such town, wow.) He posts both of these while making some pretty big read posts. So in my mind its either one of 2 things happening: He's scum and really trying to talk his way out of a lynch. Like to an incredible extent. Or he's town and actually trying to help town. The amount of effort it would take to post all of his read posts leads me to believe it's just too much effort to put into something as scum. If he is scum here it's incredibly well done. That being said the other tidbit I get from reading Palmar's filter so far is Kush. Palmar is really pushing Kush at this point, and I tend to agree as I read it. If Kush flips scum, it basically confirms Palmar as town. | ||
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On January 05 2016 00:18 Palmar wrote: Also where the fuck is shining, I thought he was useful at mafia. Where is Shining? I had kinda forgot about him myself | ||
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On January 06 2016 03:03 nooniansoong wrote: pretty obvious that damdred is gonna die. bye damdred. What is this? | ||
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On January 06 2016 04:37 ritoky wrote: exo, even if your tinfoil is right (which at least part of it is miguided because palmar tried to shift the votes to gb at the expense of himself dying which doesn't exactly seem like "protecting a role"); there's still 3 other mafia. can you talk about who those might be? and without them being associative reads to palmar I think kush is probably scum. I know you said without associative reads to Palmar, but if Im operating under the assumption that Palmar is town (which I am right now) then kush town reading him when every other townie who died so far scum read him is suspect. Shining is suspect to me right now. Only 4 pages of filter and is continually in state of "will be trying later". I don't know how much I buy of him being this inactive as town. I think good chance of slam being scum. But its purely based on people im town reading, you and Damdred, driving me that way Now what tinfoil hat theory are you talking about? | ||
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On January 06 2016 05:23 The Shining wrote: Even when I play, I have short filters. Even when im in a trying later state, I say stuff. Might not be good or thought out but I'm not skating by. Try harder pls. Are you saying you're familiar with my town meta and that I'm not inactive as town then? What's your read on Trfel atm? I town read trfel pretty early on and I haven't seen a good reason to change that read. ofc I haven't payed much attention to anything other than Palmar lately. Is there a reason I should change my town read on trfel? Also try harder? You first mate. Actually give me a case that I can get behind because so far you've hardly done anything. | ||
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On January 06 2016 06:09 The Shining wrote: I've been phone posting a bunch my last few times here so cases are a bit hard to make and even though it's late in the game, I'm still fleshing out reads. Like yours. So if Trfel is a tr of yours since pretty early on, why have you been focusing only on Palmar and now trying to scum kush for what looks like tmi regarding Palmars alignment? You've dropped your scum read on Palmar and are now accusing kush of knowing he's town cuz of tmi. Why isn't kush scum for anything Trfel mentioned, since he's been scumming/trying to push him multiple times? I'll have to check your filter to see if you even mentioned Trfels case on kush. Again I was pushing Palmar because I was convinced he's scum. I wasn't seeing too much beyond that. What does trfel being a town read of mine have to do with me focusing on Palmar? And scumming Kush for tmi on Palmar, are you kidding me right now? You've been getting my thoughts pretty much straight up this game. I don't always read and I can get caught up in my own ideas sometimes. If you really think I'm playing some kind of next level scum game the lynch me. I'm not scum, and I'm trying my best here. I may not be the best player at this game but I am trying. I'm not carefully editting my posts before I post them because I have nothing to hide. I hardly know anything about trfels case on Kush. I haven't payed a lot of attention to trfel lately. | ||
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On January 06 2016 06:13 nooniansoong wrote: so i'm the one townie left scummy enough for the scumteam to scumread. why aren't you scum? What's been your major contribution to town this game? | ||
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On January 06 2016 06:45 nooniansoong wrote: lots of stuff. ask the people who are actually playing. they will all tell you im town. Stuff such as? people such as? | ||
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GB on day 1 voted for townies: (ticktock, Vivax, Holyflare). The only possible bus he could've done would be on NESS (Nocture Mage now) if NM turns out to be scum. If not this means GB didn't bus a single time on day 1. On day 2 GB was on ticktock like everyone else, Day 3 he was on Palmar, and OWS. Looking at this data, I tend to think GB wasn't bussing at all this game. I guess its quite possible he would bus on Day 3 but I don't think so. If Palmar is town and OWS is town then I think it indicates that NM is probably town as well. Since I think Palmar is town and OWS is basically cleared by SL, I tend to think GB never once voted for his scum teammates. Another interesting tidbits are where noonian songs votes have been Day 1: Briefly Voting for Palmar, ends on Slam Day 2: Votes Self Day 3: Votes Slam Kush has for the most part only been voting for Slam. Like non-stop. Call it confirmation bias, but I think this is scum indicative. Day 1 he's safely on neither wagon, day 2 he votes self (which btw I didn't think was allowed and I didn't even notice). Day 3 again voting for Slam. In the event that Slam flips scum (which I think he will) Kush can say he pushed slam, while at the same time he's stayed way out of the spotlight, voting wise). That's all I got for now, will come back into the thread if I notice anything noteworthy | ||
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On day 1 he didn't switch his vote a single time, and on day 3 he switched from Onegu to GB, to save himself. Assuming he is scum, the mod might be reluctant to mod kill him on day 2. On the other hand 2 other people weren't voting as well. I don't know if parking your votes and never switching them is alignment indicative for Slam, but that's basically what he's done in this game. Only voted GB to save himself presumably. | ||
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Onegu Shining Slam Kush Day 3 Kush parks his vote on Slam and never moves it at all. Shining votes for GB, and Onegu moves from Slam to GB. GB never throws his vote on slam (inexplicably). This gets GB lynched, and protects slam for another day. I think slam is a scum with a role, and I think we should lynch him today. ##Vote Alakaslam | ||
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On January 07 2016 07:05 Damdred wrote: That's interesting why do you spend so much time talking about how onegu must be scum but decide that slam has to be scum because of something that isn't true. When GB ended up being lynched I tried to shennanigan onto slam but the true counter wagon during the day was palmar. You saying slam wad the other wagon is wrong. And when slam had a large amount of votes before we moved to GB palmar was still the counter wagon. so yeah ...I was one of the people moving to Slam during that time, don't you remember? I wanted to lynch Palmar but it never really got enough steam. And then when the movement to Slam started, Palmar almost switched (or at least implied he did) but ultimately decided to stay on GB> What is untrue about what I'm saying? | ||
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On January 07 2016 07:31 ritoky wrote: 1gu is capable of doing nothing as either alignment exo why am i allowed to shoot if damdred or onegu is mafia? especially since all greens were killed so mafia likely didn't know who was blue at that time (and consequently who to occupy with the rb) walk me through what you're asking here exactly. I know you've talked about it before but walk me through it here | ||
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On January 07 2016 07:41 The Shining wrote: I'm still on that list but he chose not to answer this, although he's here still throwing out association reads. Noted. Inactivity, and I don't believe your play right now is consistent with how I think your town play should be. Instead of coming on with a lot of big analysis posts, you got in a mini confrontation with me. Since you've actually started posting I don't think you've helped town. It's not impossible that you are town, and someone else is scum. But the only other person I think fits with my above line of thinking is ObviousOne. And quite simply I think you're more likely to be scum than he is. | ||
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On January 07 2016 07:42 ritoky wrote: the premise you need to accept is this: mafia don't want to risk being 50/50 shot at night or 100/0 shot at night (1st implies 1 of damd/onegu mafia, 2nd implies both). or rather mafia is generally risk averse to put it more simply. if you accept that then here's what follows. damdred and onegu do claim stuffz on TT. TT flips blue, i spend the night blustering a bit like i am going to shoot between the two, damdred encourages me to shoot him or onegu. so that night everything is set up so that (in my mind at least) the mafia team should believe with relative certainty that i am shooting between 1gu and damdred. if that shot is an unfavorable outcome for the mafia team, then they would simply roleblock me. they denied a town kp by lynching TT and denying a second one while potentially saving a teammate is too good of EV for a sensible player to pass up. if me shooting into damdred and 1gu is a favorable outcome aka both are town then it makes perfect sense to leave me unblocked and allow me to shoot a town (and probably subsequently try to ML the other). i thought of this though and mind gamed them, because to me the EV is too high to pass up RBing me if 1 is mafia so basically if i get blocked i confirm at least 1 is mafia, if i don't get blocked i confirm both are town; and so i shoot outside of the two knowing that if block then 1 is mafia, if not block then both are town. It relies on you being right about convincing scum you are going to shoot Damdred or Onegu. I don't really remember at this point how everything went down, but are you sure scum would've believed you? Who claimed first, Damdred or Onegu? | ||
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On January 07 2016 07:51 The Shining wrote: I'm rarely on when anyone else but ppl like ritoky have no problem throwing questions out to me. If anything, doing so and not getting a response from me could make me more scummy for ignoring it or not reading thread. But you haven't done that. You're just content to let me sit there on your POE and hope someone pushes me so you can vote me and say "well he's in my POE, that's why I voted him" And yes, it's possible you'd be bussing some of your team but I'm not down to 4 ppl on my POE so it's possible I'm wrong on you or someone else. But you have me with 3 people I'm willing to lynch, implying you think you have the game solved alrdy. I'm not nearly that confident and idc about admitting that I do think I have the game solved already. Which is why I post it out here to see if anybody can poke holes in what I have to say and make me reconsider. The only other person I think could be swapped in would be OO for your, but I think you're more likely to be scum than him. That might be because I am somewhat familiar with you, and I might be wrong. Either way I think it doesn't matter too much just yet. Lynching Slam first will reveal a lot, and from there I can figure out if I am wrong about you or not. | ||
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On January 07 2016 07:51 The Shining wrote: I'm rarely on when anyone else but ppl like ritoky have no problem throwing questions out to me. If anything, doing so and not getting a response from me could make me more scummy for ignoring it or not reading thread. But you haven't done that. You're just content to let me sit there on your POE and hope someone pushes me so you can vote me and say "well he's in my POE, that's why I voted him" And yes, it's possible you'd be bussing some of your team but I'm not down to 4 ppl on my POE so it's possible I'm wrong on you or someone else. But you have me with 3 people I'm willing to lynch, implying you think you have the game solved alrdy. I'm not nearly that confident and idc about admitting that And why do you need questions thrown at you? Can you not offer anything without being asked about it? | ||
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On January 07 2016 08:21 The Shining wrote: Can you follow context before you ask a stupid fucking question like this? I don't need questions thrown at me and I never said I did. What I'm saying is, kush claiming he hasn't interacted with me or asked me anything because we're not on at the same time when he has a scum read is bad because it means he just decided to scum me, whereas ritoky actually asked me something. I don't see the town motivation behind "I think he's scum but we're never here together so I'm not going to figure out anything about him or try to get information from him." Jesus Christ, fuck you dude. I'll ask whatever question I want when I want. If it's too fucking stupid for you then don't answer it | ||
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On January 07 2016 08:39 The Shining wrote: Man, you get really angsty when you roll scum, holy shit. First HF, now me. Thanks for this. Way to deflect the fact that once again you've completely misunderstood what I've said to go into anger/defensive mode. There is no explanation for multiple outbursts like that if you're town. Maybe if you didn't misunderstand or misrepresent every fucking thing I say and immediately get defensive and whiny over it, you'd have had a shot at not giving yourself away, scum. After the game is over, (and if you aren't scum) I want you to apologize. I'm not scum at all and every time I've tried to talk to you, you try to tilt me. After being basically absent all game as well. | ||
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On January 08 2016 08:03 nooniansoong wrote: Vote on maf gf since d1 No towncred given. easy to vote for him when you know who he is | ||
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On January 08 2016 08:06 NocturneMage wrote: Your reasoning for Noon mafia is basically TMI? My reasoning is the way he's been playing the game. Or not playing it. Has Kush done anything to make you think he cares? At all? He's sat out on like every vote. I think what I said earlier about him just bussing Slam immediately then asking for town cred for it, is exactly what happened. He's hardly been involved in solving the game, just kinda watching it go by. | ||
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OWS since you are all but confirmed town at this point please listen. I'm not scum. idk what to do but I don't want to lose the game later on b/c confirmed towns scum read me and ended up pusing me. | ||
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On January 08 2016 08:14 nooniansoong wrote: Exo I defended Palmer and gb a lot. That indicates care. I might be wrong. But I never got the impression from your posts that you cared about solving the game. You might've cared about not getting your scum buddy GB lynched, but you never really firmly defended him or Palmar imo. You've been really coasty | ||
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Kush Onegu Palmar/OO/Shining One of those. And I'm starting to lean away from shining being scum. | ||
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On January 08 2016 08:23 NocturneMage wrote: Complete WIFOM, disregard, he was the clear and undisputed lynch. I also want people to think a bit more critically on why ritoky spared Alakaslam over Moosy. Now this flip sheds more light on that too. It's Ritoky/Palmar/+1 folks. why are you not scum reading kush? | ||
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GlowingBear (7): Alakaslam (6): As I said earlier, I think Kush is scum and parked his vote on slam the entire game hoping to get town cred later. Trfel was town, I'm town, I think Damdred was town. The fact that GB didn't vote for slam, indicated that he was a more important mafia role. This ended up being true. Taking this one step further: I think this means other than kush, no scum bussed slam. If the scum team collectively was going to bus their GF, I believe GB would've voted for Slam. GB not moving his vote indicates the scum team wanted to protect Slam, the God Father. Kush keeps his vote on slam, b/c for the entire game he's sat on slam. And on the off chance things go wrong, scum team will be hoping kush can get enough town cred to misleads town as we move later on. So I believe out of: Palmar/OO/Onegu/Shining/OWS we have 2 mafia. OWS is green checked so he's not it. I think I'm town leaning shining. So we have to decided 2 out of Palmar/OO/Onegu. | ||
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On January 08 2016 09:27 ritoky wrote: the basic case for the impatient is is: 1) nm knows slam is about to flip mafia; 2) nm plans to go 1 for 1 to get to lylo; 3) nm knows if slam flips mafia then i look like a jackass cuz i shot the only town in a list of 3 provided by hf; 4) nm pre-emptively starts to tunnel me with that factor as the centerpiece of his case; 5) NM re-inforces it post flip But from what I've read from NM, I don't get the feeling that he's posting from a position of being a scum and trying to make some case on you. I think this is a little bit of an OMGUS. Take a step back. What do you think about what I just posted? Do you think scum bussed slam or GB? | ||
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On January 08 2016 10:50 NocturneMage wrote: Here's another reason ritoky is mafia. We know GB is mafia, Rels flipped town. Day 1 - (1) Soft pushes GB all cycle long (starts as soon as 24 minutes into the cycle, post #245, turns up discussion between 1-5 hours into the day 1). (2) At 1h prior to end of cycle (post 1859), he mentions Rels out of nowhere and for no reason for the first time in a shennanies list with GB. (It's my understanding Rels was AFKish and reiterated that throughout the cycle, mind you.) (3) He mentions the trio of Shining, Rels and GB again at 2240 (20 mins to end of cycle) 2250 calls the Rels lynch. Central to this argument is this post, post 1877 Really curious to hear what Shining and others think of this now. how does this indicate him as scum? | ||
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On January 09 2016 06:47 Palmar wrote: yes so idk there's probably 3 mafia in: nm, shining, oo, ritoky, kush, exo coag obi are mostly confirmed, onegu is not mafia and it's unlikely damdred is (although stepping away from the game seems to have caused all my reads to become weaker) interesting. I'm curious to see the night actions after this little list | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:15 Damdred wrote: As always I am at work and for busy and I had my list typed out but by the time I got my phone out it was 6:03 and I didn't want to post without knowing if I was dead or not. I mean you realize it looks odd to me. With 10 minutes left, knowing there's 10 minutes left you say you're going to post a list, then don't. | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:20 Palmar wrote: But if we genuinely have to. Everyone who wants to vote me needs to specifically explain in a few sentences why I must be mafia. On January 09 2016 08:20 Onegu wrote: Yeah not voting palmar here. He looks so town... On January 09 2016 08:21 nooniansoong wrote: let's plynch onegu Ladies and Gentlemen, the scum trio | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:25 Onegu wrote: 9-3 right now right mislynch makes it 7-3 anohter mis lynch makes it 4-3 we're at 7-3 now, there's 10 players left not 12 | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:32 Palmar wrote: NM's last post has very little to do with the game. I guess I should read what he posted on ritoky, but seeing as I am a pretty strong scumread of his, I'm also inclined to write him off as a baddie and trust myself over him. It's work pretty good so far (I've been wanting to lynch mafia since day 1). How does this make you town? After all, scum knows all the other scum. And you didn't swap vote to Slam when it was Slam vs GB. Looking at it now, if you're scum don't you want to make sure your GF doesn't die? Especially when you want him to be checked at night | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:43 Onegu wrote: His reasons on me being scum are incorrect and misguided. Palmar I trust my read on him over NM. Ritoky maybe but not sure why, he is in my POE list. But I kinda doubt he is scum. I am town. Kush he gives a 50% read on. incorrect and misguided how? | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:46 Onegu wrote: I could lynch Exo today. Like he talks about taking other peoples reads but ignores all the people who town read me. HF said I needed to be lynched but was most likely town. SL town read me. Rayn town read me. Rsoul town read me. Multiple others. And now I am scum because of NM??? I will get this started again. ##Vote Exo I literally just asked for your opinion. I asked you to sell me on being town, and like Palmar instead of addressing that you try to shift the discussion away. I think I've made it pretty clear I'm town this game. And I'm fairly certain every single scum in this game will have been town read by a town player at some point. What matters is how we react each day to accumulated information not giving people like you or Palmar a pass because someone town read you at some point in the first 2 days. | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:59 Palmar wrote: It doesn't even matter The point is, exo has been trying to get me lynched for no reason throughout the game. I can understand the early things, but since day 3 I should be town to most people, and I am, mostly with maybe the exception of NM and for some reason exo. difference is, exo has no idea why I'm mafia, while nm at least tried to build a case. So you are mafia then? When you flip scum will you be mad that I was the first one to vote you, since I have no idea why you are mafia? | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote: at this point you're just trolling ##vote exo Die scum  You're the scum here | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:10 Onegu wrote: So the only reason you are scum reading me is VCA? I'm scumming you b/c of how little you've done during the game. Like out of all the people here you've done just about the least in regards to solving the game. Ironically if not for the fake claim I wouldn't have any doubt in my mind. The fake claim doesn't make sense on the surface from a scum perspective. But everything else tells me you're scum. | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:11 Palmar wrote: Exo continues to refuse to understand the game because it's easier. I didn't switch because GB was my wagon, I was sure on him. Yes, I always hedge a bit and waffle, but that's pretty normal. Why would I then immediately go on to point out that GB didn't vote on his counterwagon, and proceed to instantly vote slam the next day? hurr durr save godfather. I mean you know the cop is dead and can't call slam green anymore at that point. Which is the entire point of saving the GF: get the cop to clear him as green. Since SL popped up as the dead cop that play is no longer going to work. | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:13 Onegu wrote: If if I told you that is NAI for me and multiple other people tell you my activity and whatnot is NAI how do you respond? NAI = ? Either way then I would say you should play differently. If you're telling me to rely on what other players meta read you as, when I feel like you are scum, it's not going to happen. | ||
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Kush Damdred -- Town OO -- Town ExO -- Town Ritoky OWS -- Town Shining -- Town Palmar 3 scum slots for 4 players: Palmar/Ritoky/Kush/Onegu Out of these 3 names, there are 4 scum. And I guess there's an incredibly off chance Damdred is scum. If he is scum, he fooled me well. | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:28 nooniansoong wrote: *why is shining more likely scum than damdred? b/c shining, despite me largely being an ass to him has come back and tried to work with me at least twice. And he's getting increasingly active towards the end of the game He's working to solve the game (which is more than can be said for you.) Damdred has looked townie to me for most of the game. What worries me about that is he's looked incredibly townie to everyone else as well. Damdred is almost never getting lynched here (unlike shining who has had suspicion on him). If scum can convince everyone that Damdred is 100% town and to never lynch him, then eventually we'll lose. However I don't think that's the case here. I think Damdred is town | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:39 Coagulation wrote: so theres absolutely no excuse for palmar being alive at this point in the game if hes town. I really hate that you are confirmed town. Why sign up for the game if you aren't even going to play? Can you help us a bit here at the end at least? | ||
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On January 09 2016 13:18 ritoky wrote: have you not been in this game? you realize that like 1 out of 4 claims so far has been real right? why did no one before me (and everyone has posted) even consider the possibility that he was fake considering he claimed minutes before phase change and didn't die? because real Jail Keeper can CC if this is the case, and we'll go 1-1 at worst. And if we figure out which is really the JK we might just go 1-0 which would be even better. And his post seemed legit to me. I'm going to believe him 100% until there's a CC. and if there is a CC we can go from there. | ||
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On January 09 2016 14:43 ExO_ wrote: because real Jail Keeper can CC if this is the case, and we'll go 1-1 at worst. And if we figure out which is really the JK we might just go 1-0 which would be even better. And his post seemed legit to me. I'm going to believe him 100% until there's a CC. and if there is a CC we can go from there. and if a VT fucking fake claims JK here I'm going to scream | ||
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On January 10 2016 02:38 Onegu wrote: Obi votes GB because it is better than palmar. Palmar town. GB flips. Then votes slam because people are voting him. Then magically Palmar becomes a scum read to obi? Obi was strong town read by the cop. At the time he probably thought Palmar was town. Palmar became a lot scummier once Slam flipped scum as well. | ||
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On January 10 2016 03:59 Onegu wrote: So let me get this right? We have this post. He gives hard town reads to Obi and Palmar. So why are you saying Obi is confirmed town and Palmar isnt. I dont get it anymore. SL never says who he checks we are just guessing but you are ignoring his hard town read on Palmar. Why? Call me tinfoil but Exo_ and Obi scum team? Do you read what you quote lol? That's not exactly a "hard town read" | ||
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On January 10 2016 05:19 Onegu wrote: Then the second part goes on to say if he is VT scum keep him around... Like you guys are giving the second part but not the third... He gives a caveat then and caveat to the caveat. We are also talking at this point where there is still a GF and a miller in the game so the cop cant be certain about his checks. And yet he still goes Palmar is sure town? Where exactly are you reading "sure town" b/c I'm sure not reading that | ||
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On January 10 2016 05:29 Onegu wrote: Wouldnt be surprised if SL red checked Exo_ here. Onegu I can't help but feel like you're tossing sand in the air and hopping it hits something. Trying to make out like SL really hard read town on Palmar, while simultaneously doubting how hard he read obi is really a huge stretch. I think you're scum trying desperately to stop a lynch on your scum buddy | ||
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On January 10 2016 05:58 Onegu wrote: No you are now misrepresenting me. I am pointing out your inconsistency. My point is we cant trust that obi was green checked. I have other reasons to think Palmar is town. I have no other reason to think that obi is town. You see SL say obi is town and say he is confirmed. You see SL say Palmar is town for sure and scum read him. I am saying and have said we shouldnt be guessing about what SL checks were. You are picking and choosing. He doesn't say Palmar is town for sure. He literally says lynch him if hes alive later. He says nothing like that about obi | ||
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On January 10 2016 09:25 Onegu wrote: Why arent you people voting ExO. I may be drinking. I may drink alot depending on the outcome of the Cincinnati vs. Pittsuckers game. I was 6 last time they won a playoff game and I think most of you young children werent even born... because I'm not scum. And at best what is your case on me, that I disagree with you on what SL said? This is a pretty pathetic attempt by scum to get a townie lynched | ||
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At the time, I thought GB was town. I pretty much hard town read him after the exchange he had with HF on day 1. I wanted the Palmar lynch on day 3, but it wasn't going to happen. I preferred Slam to GB for 2 reasons: slam hadn't been super active nor helpful, but Primarily b/c I thought GB was town and wanted an alternative to his lynch. | ||
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Palmar/Ritoky/Kush/Onegu Out of these 3 names, there are 4 scum Said it a couple pages back and I stand by this. I can't believe I'm saying this, but based on today alone I think Kush is the most likely to be town currently. | ||
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On January 10 2016 15:59 ritoky wrote: bad list is bad. you ever gonna answer 1gu's question? why do you infer 1 thing from SL's post, but not the other? super out of place OWS read = green check, but palmar is scum palmar is scum palmar is scum -> next day -> palmar is town =/= green check? does inferring both lose you the game cuz not enuf MLs or something? You literally keep ignoring the fact that he says if Palmar is still alive lynch him. SL town pushed OWS heavily since the start of the game, SL was pretty weak on Palmar being town. I can't see why you are 100% sure on Palmar being town yet doubted OWS being town at one point. The only mindset that comes from is scum IMO. You're trying to get townies to lynch other townies, and cause chaos. | ||
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I'd look at this list closely boys. Doesn't look like I'm getting out alive today. Coag/OWS/OO are all confirmed town and all voting for me. Onegu and Palmar are both scum and started this scum train on me. Notice how Ritoky really pushed me but isn't voting yet. Read what NM said after his lynch. I largely agree with him. If Palmar is town there's no way he'd get this far. Tomorrow at lylo (or mylo I don't even know) scum will try to push somebody like Shining, and will probably shoot Damdred or OO. Alternatively they'll leave OO alive and say he wasn't really the JK and should die next. Either way it's been fun boys. I really was VT, well played scum for getting the mislynch on me, and seriously fuck you coag for being a confirmed town all game and doing nothing. | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:40 The Shining wrote: New information that you can't be assed to share for 40 hours. You are not town. I'm voting ritoky and everyone else should read NMs case, read my comparisons to his reaction to being scummed here and in full metal(argue with the case, call the case maker scum, then backtrack on the scum read for weak reasons) and vote him. And honestly ritoky scum here implicates exo to a point because he's the leading wagon, ritoky implies he's scum but defaults into a soft push on me instead of voting who he thinks is scum. Shining I'm really not scum lol. I think Ritoky has a really good chance of being scum here. Look at how he's pushed me but won't join the wagon | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:55 Damdred wrote: Exo when you were talking to oo and said I know for sure your green. What did you mean. Ritoky are you the jk? I think OO's JK claim is legit. Nobody has CCed. I think if there was an actual JK left he would CC. At worst it would be a 1-1 trade, and if we could figure out who was telling the truth we could go 1-0. The chance of getting a scum without killing a townie means scum wouldn't want to fake CC JK. Therefore I believe OO's claim | ||
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though I actually think with the way OO typed that with 2 minutes to spare and how long it was, I tend to believe him over you, who pushed me all day and is now trying to distance himself from that push | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:58 Damdred wrote: Fuxking knew it why the fuck do you have to make me pull your teeth. Everyone vote oo I'll explain why rit is the jk Not like I have much of a choice, but explain it to me. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:00 Damdred wrote: Here's why rit is the jk 1) the original play rit agreed to with the jk always protecting him. The hint was there and that's why rit shoots he a never getting rb by the hi because he is the jk and scum won't waste a rb on him because jk is probably there. 2) oo protected me n2 after I fake claimed no way I deserved protect after I got town Tt lynched and he scum read me before then. 3) the anger at the claim. Then why is he pushing me all day, and now trying to distance himself from it? | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:05 ritoky wrote: HOLY SHIT DO YOU NOT SEE THAT CONFIRMED SCUM IS VOTING ON YOU, I WILL NOT VOTE WITH HIM REGARDLESS OF WHAT I THINK OF THE CASE I should've believed in my Town Read of you earlier. But NM swayed me. Why wait so long to CC though? I don't understand | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:10 nooniansoong wrote: im going to placeholder Exo. I might not get a chance to filter. Exo ritoky maybe as scum. this is really wrong Kush | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:14 ObviousOne wrote: why didn't ritoky hint at his role when vivax claimed jk? "i'll look at his filter" isn't a hint his interactions with vivax were basically nil This doesn't answer Damdred's question. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:33 ritoky wrote: can you stop faking anger? especially anger that is banworthy in a banlist game. it's kinda offensive. this is a non banlist game I thought | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:48 ObviousOne wrote: remember don't fuck this up, i have NO idea why there's a 1 for 1 trade going down today except to divert attention from EXO and i think we're supposed to be reading into this lynch the liar and find his teammates, not like i was being much help with that anyway damdred feels like a central component to this turnabout so look at him with the highest scrutiny imaginable i don't understand his reaction to being townread and protected n2 that makes little sense to me as i don't know what the mafia night actions are but MAYBE HE DOES HOLY TITS, as you can see my analysis of the game has been TOP NOTCH all game just based on my filter so details like protecting someone i was confident was town at the time is a mindblowing night action final answer damdred ritoky exo, a team of fake claimers with two mafia teammates who told the truth a lot of the time, just for laughs, and it's fucking working goodbye This would be so stupid though. Save 1 scum, to reveal all 3? | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:10 Damdred wrote: If rit is scum though it's highly likely that onegu is scum though if rit is scum....Rit is lynched tomorrow, and then the following day I'm lynched followed by you. And if you're town that would be 1 scum for 2 town mislynches... Is this kind of next level play possible though? Seems incredibly risky to me. It's hard for me to think of Rit being scum and trying to pull this off | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:53 Palmar wrote: I'm working through the scenarios and why they would happen in my head right now. We have the following options: OO is mafia, rit is JK, exo is getting lynched. In that case ritoky has no idea if the exo lynch is correct, but he probably doesn't believe it (I don't have time to check what he actually thought), seeing as I remember him calling shining scum and to him OO must be mafia too. Unless he thinks exo is the third mafia. Also OO could be town, exo is getting lynched and ritoky as mafia ccs. this is potentially a play, but almost only if exo is mafia. It makes no sense to save a townie (exo) which rit would know if he's mafia to create a 1v1 with an already claimed jailer. But the thing is Exo is actually super likely to be mafia, still if exo is mafia (ie: I'm right on exo) why would ritoky who I've been sort of suspicious of but not been outright calling mafia, attempt to save him with a pretty hail mary play. Like if we turn around and lynch ritoky here and he flips mafia, wouldn't we simply immediately lynch Exo tomorrow? I guess based on that it's more likely OO is mafia "extremely likely I'm mafia" yeah why is that exactly? I'd like to know. I want to hear how you as a scum are going to call me mafia, or you as a VT are misreading me as mafia | ||
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Explain it. Because I'm not scum | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:08 Palmar wrote: I think there's still a mislynch. ie: it's a dumb play unless exo is mafia. exo is mafia. I'm not mafia lol. ritoky is baiting you guys into lynching me. If I was scum would he do such a play that would obviously implicate saving me? It makes no sense. It'd be trading 1 townie for 2 scum | ||
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On January 11 2016 09:31 nooniansoong wrote: huh? coag not being active doesn't matter. we have to pick the correct lynch is all. I don't see how coag being active would necessarily help that. him being conf town does help us though. because there will be 2 scum against 3 town, and coag. I think coag who isn't paying any attention, is very likely to vote with scum. | ||
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Ritoky Dies some combination of Damdred/OWS/Shining dies, and then scum team pushes my lynch, coag joins in and game is over scum wins by mislynching me. | ||
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On January 12 2016 02:40 nooniansoong wrote: Btw onegu it's gonna be mylo you best get to solving this game. I'm thinking exo and shining/onegu Right because shining decided to lead a mislynch on the JK thereby "saving me" his scum buddy right? If town players really believe that lynch me. Let scum win. Actually I hope scum can shoot me in one of these following 2 nights so I don't have to worry about it anymore. I can't stand coag, I don't think Kush is trying at all (or he's scum, whichever) same goes for Onegu. The only people here that I think even give a Damn (Shining/Damdred) are probably going to be shot. It's hard to care right now. | ||
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On January 12 2016 05:43 nooniansoong wrote: So you trying to say shining is town for mislynching the JK? I don't get what you're saying here. I didn't mean to say shining, meant to say ritoky | ||
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On January 12 2016 16:00 ritoky wrote: ![[image loading]](http://www.quickmeme.com/img/3a/3a4783ac86f113231be81990c6d236ff5e91ddc25490389a3411b93961a83cd4.jpg) Ritoky stop beating us when we're down ![[image loading]](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/bb/89/7b/bb897b65dc1549d3efda420dcfd191f5.gif) | ||
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I don't think anything's changed for me for the most part. If anything all I'm feeling is more confused. I'm not good at solving mafia games unfortunately. I was fairly certain Ritoky was town for instance. I also thought Glowingbear was certainly town (mostly due to the argument with HF). 2 of my biggest town reads both turned out to be scum. At least I got slam right, though I'm not sure for the right reasons. So right now I'm Heavily lean Town on Damdred/Shining, and lean scum on Onegu. I think the last scum is between you and kush. But it makes me wonder. Damdred has basically locked himself in as town here right? Could he possibly be a scum? Why is everyone so certain Damdred isn't scum? My reasoning is I don't feel like Damdred's play has been scum play. He's seemed incredibly towny to me. But With so did GB and Ritoky. I need to see what everyone else thinks about this. | ||
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Are you serious? Is this some kind of desperate scum video to mislynch me at the end? | ||
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On January 16 2016 14:29 Onegu wrote: Yeah I am guessing he did claim to save you there. That'd essentially be trading 2 scum for 1 person. Do you really think it'd be logical? Think about this for a second. Scum fake claim to save another scum, don't you think that the risk is greater than the reward in this scenario? EVERYBODY believed ritoky's fake claim. He wasn't even remotely on the table. And yet instead of bussing me he outs himself? It doesn't make sense at all from this perspective. Like I can't tell if you honestly believe this case, or are just trying to get town to lynch me and win the game for you and your scum buddy. | ||
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On January 16 2016 14:55 Onegu wrote: He was being scum read by Shining and Damdred at that point when he fake claimed. So no not everyone believed he was town. And he was trading with the Doctor. And attempting to save you and it is now looking like is going to work. Like he saves you and all discussion goes off of you for 2 straight days. The discussion shifting like it did isn't something I think scum would be able to predict. Not to mention I think it's pretty fucking obvious that I'm town. Your idea that scum would do such an incredibly risky play is faulty. To be honest I'm still a bit confused why they didn't just let me get lynched. I get that they were worried about a JK block but it seems silly to go 1-1 this late in the game. No matter what though, either you're a scum trying to lead a mislynch on me and win the game, or you're a townie and really stretching to justify your horrible read | ||
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idk. I have no idea who scum is. I want to say Onegu, but it feels to me like scum could very easily be watching the townies fight :/ | ||
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God if Onegu is scum and throwing this tantrum is fooling me I look silly but I dont think is. | ||
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On January 17 2016 07:41 Onegu wrote: Stop trying to dumbtell. I'm not fucking scum, and if you aren't either you need to start figuring out who could be really fast | ||
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On January 17 2016 07:45 Onegu wrote: I would lynch anyone over myself because I know 100% if I am lynched this is game over. If not you which I still prefer. I would lynch kush here if I had a choice. entertain me. I know you think I'm scum, but I'm not. If I'm both town which 2 are the scum behind this? You think kush is the scum orchestrating it all? | ||
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On January 17 2016 07:49 Palmar wrote: Onegu does sound marginally more town but meeeeeh we're going to lose the game here. switch to kush. This is a town vs town wagon. If you aren't scum, switch | ||
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On January 17 2016 07:50 ExO_ wrote: I don't know if kush is right but I do think this is a town vs town wagon meaning me vs onegu is a town vs town wagon | ||
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On January 17 2016 07:52 Onegu wrote: I am raging so fucking hard right now that nobody is here. There are 3 people out of 6 :/ don't know what else to do | ||
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I think for looking as towny as he is, Damdred could really easily be scum. Look at the way he's totally fine with lynching onegu here. At most he's looked like he's fine with lynching me alternatively. He isn't considering any possibilities. This isn't town Damdred, it's scum Damdred. Everyone think he's town and he's fine to kinda coast to the end. Between Kush and Palmar I lean Palmar, but I'm really not sure | ||
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On January 17 2016 08:06 Damdred wrote: You guys.... Like seriously good game palmar. But the rest of you are morons. why the fuck were you staying silent? | ||
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On January 17 2016 08:11 disformation wrote: Yeah, nearly missed it at first, but double checked and it was :59 for me, too. What's weird is I'm 100% sure the timer had hit 0. I was f5ing, saw it hit 0, then posted fuck Palmar. Came back and look at he had voted. But I'm sure the timer hit 0 on my screen | ||
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United States2316 Posts
On January 17 2016 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: maybe you should have listened to his scumbuddy who pointed that out and was kind enough to re-post the video starting from where the scumslip happens........................................ didn't see the post. | ||
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On January 17 2016 08:22 Damdred wrote: I can't be here 24/7 when I'm stuck at work and someone claims scum. Then the person who says he did leads you onto the other person who actually did work this cycle with the top scum read of the day. Then be here at fucking lylo. Like how is it you here immediately after lylo but not during it? was the most important time to be on. | ||
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On January 17 2016 08:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least he yelled "lynch Palmar" too.... I fucking yelled lynch palmar quite a bit. I mean give me a break. Yeah I fucked up but I also don't have very much experience at lylo. The only other time on TL that I've been there, I was suspected and managed to convince the other guy I wasn't scum. And that was my first TL game....I think. Maybe my 2nd. Either way Onegu fooled me. At least I was trying :/ | ||
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On January 17 2016 08:27 rsoultin wrote: >> you really like scumming me btw for really dumb reasons <3 I just wanted you to confirm you were masons. People in TL mafia fake claim all the time. The last game I played 2 people claimed mason, and neither one was. It didn't matter but I just wanted it to be confirmed | ||
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On January 17 2016 08:28 rsoultin wrote: though true you had palmar and my scumreads were shit i even dropped gb last minute @.@ only thing i saved town from was mislynching my mason partner lol I really wish he had died earlier. | ||
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we should party sometime, though I dont think we could play ranked xD | ||
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my steam id | ||
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On January 17 2016 08:45 Rels wrote: Meh Gunsmith is a vanilla town after D2 You being gunsmith meant you could play as bad as you humanly wanted and still be confirmed town if mafia doesn't 1v1 you The correct play for town after your claim was to not lynch you and wait D3, where the real gunsmith if there is one would claim (since he has already given his two guns, he s only a named vt now) Damdred fucked up super badly counter claiming you when there was a way to confirm you idk was a pretty big fuckup for him not to claim d1, then to claim miller and all that d2. Like would you actually take him seriously at that point? | ||
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On January 17 2016 08:54 Rels wrote: What is wrong with what I just said ? I agree with what you say, it s difficult to believe he's blue, but if nobody counter claims him d3 he's confirmed town. If anybody counterclaims d3 you lynch him. I won't defend that he was not scummy cause I wanted to lynch him d1 :p Because I don't think it's realistic. A guy literally didn't claim on d1, and then claimed blue followed by miller. Looks scummy. If town has a chance to lynch scum day 2 I think they're gonna take it. I guess you could sorta confirm him, but it relies on the real Gun Smith actually wanting to CC, and there's is no guarantee of that. People in mafia do strange things, but here you have a guy really all over the place with his claims. It makes more sense to lynch him | ||
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On January 17 2016 08:56 justanothertownie wrote: It doesn't matter at all. If town is not retarded then every counterclaim is 100 % mafia or he isn't lynched. Luckily for the mafia team this town was absolutely and utterly retarded. Fakeclaims like this let Onegu get away with bullshit like his claim. It is completely beyond me how he was not lynched this game. Sorry JAT, not everyone can be as intelligent at mafia as you. But fuck off seriously. This rounabout way of patting yourself on the back while insulting others sucks | ||
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United States2316 Posts
On January 17 2016 08:57 Damdred wrote: Anyway it's my fault I'll take the blame. Gg scum team. I'm sorry town. I mean it's clearly my fault for leading the mislynch here. Oh well was a learning experience | ||
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On January 18 2016 20:45 marvellosity wrote: everything about this post is incorrect the large majority of the time, messy, all over the place claims are gonna wind up town You're trying to tell me you'd look at a guy who was going to die day 1, didn't claim his role, then claimed 2 different roles the next day and say he's town? | ||
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I know what I'm doing next time as scum | ||
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