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On December 29 2015 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 29 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:13 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie....[...] GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible. If you don't understand why, then i can't help you. "WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out. Pushing a townie is okay. Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not. This is a really shitty case GlowingBear..... Tell me what's wrong with it Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT. There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does.... Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it. He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me. My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments. So your main case on him is association based on TT being mafia. TT has a lot of votes. HF had none. Why did you vote HF instead of TT? Maybe you are town after all. 
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On December 29 2015 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:13 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie....[...] GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible. If you don't understand why, then i can't help you. "WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out. Pushing a townie is okay. Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not. This is a really shitty case GlowingBear..... Tell me what's wrong with it Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT. There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does.... Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it. He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me. My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments. So that would only make HF mafia if TicTock is scum right? Because otherwise he is refusing to vote for a townie -- which is not scummy. I am not going to check rn if your story stands up or not, because i don't think that makes HF mafia even if it does. I think you are exaggerrating the "reluctant to lynch" thing.
isn't a matter or refusing to vote for what he thinks isn't a townie? If HF thinks TT is scum then why would he be hesitant to vote him?
The only reason to be hesitant about lynching a townie here (who HF suspect is mafia) is that he knows that TT is town and the only way he'd know that is if he was scum
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But he thought vivax was lock scum. Why is it scummy to vote for the person you say is your top scum read when hes almost leading the lynch.
If he was wasteing his vote it would be one thing but he wasn't.
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I was under the impression that HF was simultaneously claiming he was in favor of a TT lynch, while doing nothing to actually push that lynch and instead was just purely tunneling Vivax. He's trying to claim he was on the TT train and supported it while only just now changing his vote.
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On December 29 2015 03:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
And yes I still think my piece on Kush is good and it didn't get traction so I decided to back off a bit and observe some more to either confirm or deny my theory. I was hesitant to vote TickTock at that time because my ego is quite large and if Kush was TMI-ing on TT then it would be a redundant vote. People didn't like it so my ego wavered and Rayn posted his case and I agreed with it and remembered the TT catch up and so my mind decided to push my ego out of the way for a bit and sheep a good case.
Now that you have been destroyed, good day to you. You didn't destroy me, you've just twisted every single argument I've wrote so you can throw it against me. Fits your job pretty well Please, please, please break down my arguments and my reasoning and thought process and explain how I've twisted this. You laid out points on why I am mafia and I've explained them FULLY with all the reasoning and logic behind it and outlined my entire thought process. You can ignore the case on you I'm solely talking about your case on me.
If you think kush TMIng on TT would be a redundant vote you could've simply vote TT and keep pushing kush.
If your ego is so big you should've vote kush and try to get people to lynch him.
You never did any, you just saw kush's lynch not getting traction and started throwing suspicions on me and Ness, then you saw the possibility of forming a wagon on me and started it.
IF you're voting me solely for ego, why weren't you voting kush before? Your story just not compute. You either have that big ass ego and go against kush full throttle and me full throttle, or you think TT might be mafia with kush and me and just vote TT because the vote is redundant.
In other words, if your ego is so big you should have similar behaviours against me and kush, yet they were different accordingly to the possibility of a wagon getting traction or not.
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On December 29 2015 04:03 Koshi wrote:
Yeah I am locked on TT.
I feel pretty much the same way and am now bored until the flip.
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Yo gb I posted a question
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On December 29 2015 04:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I feel pretty much the same way and am now bored until the flip.
Can you break down your case on TT?
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On December 29 2015 03:58 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:13 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie....[...] GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible. If you don't understand why, then i can't help you. "WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out. Pushing a townie is okay. Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not. This is a really shitty case GlowingBear..... Tell me what's wrong with it Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT. There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does.... Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it. He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me. My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments. So that would only make HF mafia if TicTock is scum right? Because otherwise he is refusing to vote for a townie -- which is not scummy. I am not going to check rn if your story stands up or not, because i don't think that makes HF mafia even if it does. I think you are exaggerrating the "reluctant to lynch" thing. isn't a matter or refusing to vote for what he thinks isn't a townie? If HF thinks TT is scum then why would he be hesitant to vote him? The only reason to be hesitant about lynching a townie here (who HF suspect is mafia) is that he knows that TT is town and the only way he'd know that is if he was scum
The thing is we are talking about Holyflare here. He has already set up a venue on voting for TicTock (if not Vivax), so when Vivax claims -- if HF is scum and TT town here -- he will definitely vote for TT. That is where GB's argument falls apart (even if we believe his side of things here). There is not a world where scum!HF does not insta-vote town!TT when Vivax claims.
I can guarantee you in this game it is impossible that both HF is scum and TT is town are true.
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On December 29 2015 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:58 ExO_ wrote:On December 29 2015 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:13 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie....[...] GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible. If you don't understand why, then i can't help you. "WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out. Pushing a townie is okay. Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not. This is a really shitty case GlowingBear..... Tell me what's wrong with it Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT. There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does.... Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it. He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me. My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments. So that would only make HF mafia if TicTock is scum right? Because otherwise he is refusing to vote for a townie -- which is not scummy. I am not going to check rn if your story stands up or not, because i don't think that makes HF mafia even if it does. I think you are exaggerrating the "reluctant to lynch" thing. isn't a matter or refusing to vote for what he thinks isn't a townie? If HF thinks TT is scum then why would he be hesitant to vote him? The only reason to be hesitant about lynching a townie here (who HF suspect is mafia) is that he knows that TT is town and the only way he'd know that is if he was scum The thing is we are talking about Holyflare here. He has already set up a venue on voting for TicTock (if not Vivax), so when Vivax claims -- if HF is scum and TT town here -- he will definitely vote for TT. That is where GB's argument falls apart (even if we believe his side of things here). There is not a world where scum!HF does not insta-vote town!TT when Vivax claims. I can guarantee you in this game it is impossible that both HF is scum and TT is town are true.
I do like this point and I hate that Rayn stole it from me. :'(
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On December 29 2015 03:57 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 02:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Palmar, if you hadn't read anything and you didn't catch up, how do you know coag and rsoultin are masons? How can you not know the answer to this when the argument That followed was literally about the very source of my info
Sorry, I didn't see it
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On December 29 2015 04:08 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:58 ExO_ wrote:On December 29 2015 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 29 2015 03:13 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible.
If you don't understand why, then i can't help you. "WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out. Pushing a townie is okay. Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not. This is a really shitty case GlowingBear..... Tell me what's wrong with it Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT. There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does.... Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it. He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me. My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments. So that would only make HF mafia if TicTock is scum right? Because otherwise he is refusing to vote for a townie -- which is not scummy. I am not going to check rn if your story stands up or not, because i don't think that makes HF mafia even if it does. I think you are exaggerrating the "reluctant to lynch" thing. isn't a matter or refusing to vote for what he thinks isn't a townie? If HF thinks TT is scum then why would he be hesitant to vote him? The only reason to be hesitant about lynching a townie here (who HF suspect is mafia) is that he knows that TT is town and the only way he'd know that is if he was scum The thing is we are talking about Holyflare here. He has already set up a venue on voting for TicTock (if not Vivax), so when Vivax claims -- if HF is scum and TT town here -- he will definitely vote for TT. That is where GB's argument falls apart (even if we believe his side of things here). There is not a world where scum!HF does not insta-vote town!TT when Vivax claims. I can guarantee you in this game it is impossible that both HF is scum and TT is town are true. I do like this point and I hate that Rayn stole it from me. :'(
write faster biash
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On December 29 2015 04:06 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 04:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 29 2015 04:03 Koshi wrote:
Yeah I am locked on TT. I feel pretty much the same way and am now bored until the flip. Can you break down your case on TT?
Reminded me of Rayn's case on Vivax a while back where Vivax called someone scum, then called him scum again later and cited only reasons from after he first accused that person. TT did something similar though it can be explained more with laziness. However, the rest of his filter is so wishywashy that I'm very okay with lynching him.
Read Rayn's case for full details.
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On December 29 2015 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is not a world where scum!HF does not insta-vote town!TT when Vivax claims.
Why not? Do you think hes that easily predictable?
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And that is why GB seems a bit fishy here. Othe stuff and his case i can understand coming from town.
I can't understand why is he not pushing TT instead of HF -- because he should.
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Meanwhile completely ignoring that HF probably only pushed town with his usual outflux of fact twisting
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I'm gonna cooldown and reevaluate this
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On December 29 2015 04:09 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is not a world where scum!HF does not insta-vote town!TT when Vivax claims.
Why not? Do you think hes that easily predictable?
Until i see a game that proves me wrong yes.
This is like one of the easiest things to figure out.
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On December 29 2015 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 04:09 Vivax wrote:On December 29 2015 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is not a world where scum!HF does not insta-vote town!TT when Vivax claims.
Why not? Do you think hes that easily predictable? Until i see a game that proves me wrong yes. This is like one of the easiest things to figure out.
I don't think it's that simple but I do think it makes him likely town.
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