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On January 04 2016 23:25 nooniansoong wrote:
The way I feel about it is alakaslam is kind of a coinflip but a better lynch than GB.
In fact your entire filter seems very, very flip floppy on GB. (yes, I'm super fast at going through filters)
You first ask him about some broken logic that you didn't really explain later (that I could see)
When Koshi said GB would never be scum you asked him "why not". Which usually indicates you think he could be
Quite a bit later you said he was probably not mafia and talked about some "good townie interactions"
And finally you thought my point on GB is clever and original.
Like you have no firm stance on GB, which I don't really mind, but clearly you seem to have a strong enough stance to make the call that it is worse than a coinflip lynch (in your own words, slam).
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There are almost no clues in your filter that I can see as to why GB isn't a legitimate lynch except your sentence about "good townie interactions" of which you show no examples.
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And that point comes at a time when GB is basically doing nothing in the thread (ie: after his drop off).
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GB
- Townie push on Ness
- Townie push on HF
On December 29 2015 04:03 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 03:55 Holyflare wrote:On December 29 2015 03:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 29 2015 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
And yes I still think my piece on Kush is good and it didn't get traction so I decided to back off a bit and observe some more to either confirm or deny my theory. I was hesitant to vote TickTock at that time because my ego is quite large and if Kush was TMI-ing on TT then it would be a redundant vote. People didn't like it so my ego wavered and Rayn posted his case and I agreed with it and remembered the TT catch up and so my mind decided to push my ego out of the way for a bit and sheep a good case.
Now that you have been destroyed, good day to you. You didn't destroy me, you've just twisted every single argument I've wrote so you can throw it against me. Fits your job pretty well Please, please, please break down my arguments and my reasoning and thought process and explain how I've twisted this. You laid out points on why I am mafia and I've explained them FULLY with all the reasoning and logic behind it and outlined my entire thought process. You can ignore the case on you I'm solely talking about your case on me. If you think kush TMIng on TT would be a redundant vote you could've simply vote TT and keep pushing kush. If your ego is so big you should've vote kush and try to get people to lynch him. You never did any, you just saw kush's lynch not getting traction and started throwing suspicions on me and Ness, then you saw the possibility of forming a wagon on me and started it. IF you're voting me solely for ego, why weren't you voting kush before? Your story just not compute. You either have that big ass ego and go against kush full throttle and me full throttle, or you think TT might be mafia with kush and me and just vote TT because the vote is redundant. In other words, if your ego is so big you should have similar behaviours against me and kush, yet they were different accordingly to the possibility of a wagon getting traction or not.
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On January 04 2016 23:31 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 23:25 nooniansoong wrote:
The way I feel about it is alakaslam is kind of a coinflip but a better lynch than GB. In fact your entire filter seems very, very flip floppy on GB. (yes, I'm super fast at going through filters) You first ask him about some broken logic that you didn't really explain later (that I could see) When Koshi said GB would never be scum you asked him "why not". Which usually indicates you think he could be Quite a bit later you said he was probably not mafia and talked about some "good townie interactions" And finally you thought my point on GB is clever and original. Like you have no firm stance on GB, which I don't really mind, but clearly you seem to have a strong enough stance to make the call that it is worse than a coinflip lynch (in your own words, slam).
It's true I've been on the fence about GB in the beginning of the game, and my read has slowly been turning town.
When I saw that you made a good point against GB, what I mean by that is I think it makes you town, not that it makes GB scum. I don't recall the point but I think I thought it was bad but townie
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You called the point clever
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Alright. I stopped at page 120 this morning, now trying to power-read through some individual filters (mainly those who were NKed) with another break here at work.
Backtracked to Artanis/Koshi filters, hitting Vivax and rayn's filter next.
Since Alakaslam is the other wagon, I remember Holyflare going hard on Slam so I'll read Holyflare's filter next.
IMO Slam is unreadable to me, I have no idea how to read him, he's all over the place.
Artanis' arguments from what I'm reading come down to Palmar's misrepresentation of meta and his town game falling below expectations, that he has the capability to solve the game early on and fails to do that.
Also that a bit of Palmar's posting is for the sake of posting (check if that is currently happening here???) just to look town and not really solve the game.
Though (for those that know me) I don't trust meta, I can trust what Artanis says here as he's a green flip. And Artanis should obviously know his own meta and know best when someone is misunderstanding/misinterpreting. I can believe this.
Artanis' other scumreads at points in time were Vivax, Tictock, wavering on ritoky, Holyflare, OWS, voted rayn at one point and ended with the strong scumread on Palmar. All those I mentioned are dead except OWS, ritoky and Palmar. Interesting.
Koshi went hard 100% scumreads on Slam, Palmar, and Onegu. From games I've observed Koshi knows his stuff.
rayn last reads: Noon/BF/Palmar/Onegu/Ness/Tictock, possibly Shining.
Of those, only Noon, Palmar, Onegu, Shining are alive, and I know I'm town replacing in for Ness. rayn doesn't have 100% reads and isn't right all the time but this is a common thread between these three players' reads on Palmar.
I know from playing with both, both have been around awhile, so I am going to make the assumption both are quite familiar with each other's games.
rayn's reasoning for scumreading Palmar fundamentally are in posts 2143, 2145 and 2146.
The switch to Rels being scummy. We know the day 1 wagon now was between two townies, Tictock and Rels.
On December 29 2015 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no way Palmar does neither of:
(1) stay on TicTock when having claimed to sheep me
(2) vote Vivax after unclaim
..as town.
There is just no way and it makes Palmar 100% mafia.
If I'm reading this right, this is indicative that Palmar did not care about the day 1 lynch, and this is mafia indicative.
Looking at the votes, ignoring where Half the Sky had to re-do the vote count, Palmar bounced between the two town wagons, rayn and Palmar were never on the same wagon, so (1) makes sense here.
(2) I don't get, hosts didn't make a mistake as filtering Palmar's votes don't show where he voted Vivax in the voting thread. If he did in the main thread (???) then alright.
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I'm on a real time crunch and I realise end of cycle is today, so I'm going to focus on the Palmar/Slam wagons with the little time I have. If there's any reason I should be focusing elsewhere, let me know.
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On January 04 2016 23:42 NocturneMage wrote:
I'm on a real time crunch and I realise end of cycle is today, so I'm going to focus on the Palmar/Slam wagons with the little time I have. If there's any reason I should be focusing elsewhere, let me know.
Glowingbear, you can drop me as a candidate too.
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ObviousOne, I am curious to hear from you on Palmar's play day 1 since you made some comments about a lot of the NKs being people that suspected Palmar, etc.
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On January 04 2016 23:39 Palmar wrote:
You called the point clever
by clever I mean showing intelligence. Not that it's correct.
I don't even remember the point though lol.
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I have been the biggest town reader of gb this game. But even im ok with him getting lynched here. Infact I think I prefer it
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EBWOP to 3750 actually wait, you replaced in after day 1.....meh, fuck. Well if you can, great.
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On January 04 2016 23:46 sicklucker wrote:
I have been the biggest town reader of gb this game. But even im ok with him getting lynched here. Infact I think I prefer it
Whyyyy
GB can come in end game and town himself much like palmar has (somewhat).
Besides that Gb looks town from his earlier content.
Alakaslam never looked town. Many of the NKs have strongly wanted to kill alaka (koshi, HF off the top of my head). Alakaslam also has fucked off like GB except he's not the type of player that can come back and look super town.
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I never voted vivax.
First off, the game started on a weekend, literally everyone on TL mafia knows I don't play on weekends except the bare minimum.
What happened is this:
1) I have little time to play and no really good case, so I sheep rayn onto tictock
2) Vivax is unccd JK (he wasn't, but he claimed that and no one counterclaimed him)
3) When I come back to the thread rayn has moved to Vivax
4) I assume 2 things:
a) rayn moved off tictock because he had a reason to think he wasn't mafia
b) rayn went to vivax out of spite (vivax was being a real dumbass on day 1)
5) so I announced I'm willing to switch to another last minute vote, and mention kush and gb (if I recall correctly)
6) koshi starts a wagon on rels
7) I open rels' filter, see that it is less than a page, and decide it's worth the shot
8) rels dies
9) rayn goes nuts because he can be a real dumbass at times
It's very simple and very true.
Also note how kush and gb are both alive 
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On January 04 2016 23:45 nooniansoong wrote:by clever I mean showing intelligence. Not that it's correct. I don't even remember the point though lol.
my point is the one I've been harping on about, the "hey he asked a question that he should know the answer to if he was reading"
ie: he posted just to post.
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On January 04 2016 23:49 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 23:46 sicklucker wrote:
I have been the biggest town reader of gb this game. But even im ok with him getting lynched here. Infact I think I prefer it Whyyyy GB can come in end game and town himself much like palmar has (somewhat). Besides that Gb looks town from his earlier content. Alakaslam never looked town. Many of the NKs have strongly wanted to kill alaka (koshi, HF off the top of my head). Alakaslam also has fucked off like GB except he's not the type of player that can come back and look super town.
This is why I'm trying to get to Holyflare's filter if I can, I know he was scumreading GB and Slam and I have heard from others Holyflare is one of the best town players on TL even though I've never played with him.
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On January 04 2016 23:46 NocturneMage wrote:
EBWOP to 3750 actually wait, you replaced in after day 1.....meh, fuck. Well if you can, great.
what specifically about it? stylistically its classic palmar. starting late was normal for palmar too. something specific if youre curious would be great as im typing with 1 hand right now while icing my wrist to see if it makes my finger numbnes abate
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On January 04 2016 23:50 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 23:45 nooniansoong wrote:On January 04 2016 23:39 Palmar wrote:
You called the point clever by clever I mean showing intelligence. Not that it's correct. I don't even remember the point though lol. my point is the one I've been harping on about, the "hey he asked a question that he should know the answer to if he was reading" ie: he posted just to post.
not reading doesn't make you scum. It seems like he skimmed something then starting pursuing it without fully reading and understanding it. Maybe he didn't realize there was more to understand? Anyway I don't think it's a scumtell, rather it's just something that happens when you aren't following a game very closely.
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On January 04 2016 23:52 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2016 23:49 nooniansoong wrote:On January 04 2016 23:46 sicklucker wrote:
I have been the biggest town reader of gb this game. But even im ok with him getting lynched here. Infact I think I prefer it Whyyyy GB can come in end game and town himself much like palmar has (somewhat). Besides that Gb looks town from his earlier content. Alakaslam never looked town. Many of the NKs have strongly wanted to kill alaka (koshi, HF off the top of my head). Alakaslam also has fucked off like GB except he's not the type of player that can come back and look super town. This is why I'm trying to get to Holyflare's filter if I can, I know he was scumreading GB and Slam and I have heard from others Holyflare is one of the best town players on TL even though I've never played with him.
yeah hf is at least an average player, he may even be a good town player if we exclude some of the people who are actually good.
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