Newbie Student Mafia XVIII

On December 15 2015 20:35 Half the Sky wrote:


Please. He needs the noose after what he did to me in Dark Tournament

<3

On December 22 2015 23:28 Fidei86 wrote:
Alex and Scott in the same game?

Shit. Scott has shown he's very good at reading me. Alex is jealous because I steal his wife from him at night to play Dota.

I'm definitely not making it very far if I roll scum this game.

On December 22 2015 23:28 Fidei86 wrote:
I'm definitely not making it very far as either alignment this game.

On December 23 2015 08:25 GlowingBear wrote:
I couldn't be prouder of HTS. Playing Dota when her husband used to play LoL before is really nice.

That's a hard evidence that good taste can never be corrupted

On December 26 2015 13:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Hope the surgery goes well!

On December 28 2015 05:36 Half the Sky wrote:
##TeamTalisker (if mafia coach)

On December 28 2015 19:34 GiygaS wrote:

I just know that this game is going to be entertaining now

On December 29 2015 07:29 Irishbound wrote:
I can already tell my complete lack of meta or understanding of what happend in prior games you guys have played together is going to make it difficult to scumhunt and follow some conversations.

Know it's a weak thing but I'm leaning town on Noonian already, think scum would be less likely to be so brazen to make #62 and like his instant "That's anti-town to do" reaction towards Glowings statement.

I understand that we're meant to be voting in a separate thread to make it easier for the mod to tally up votes but I'd appreciate if everyone also posted here with their vote -- it'll make following the game and reading into context behind votes much easier than attempting to line up timestamps of when people voted in comparison to their thoughts/posts in here.

@Glowing - Who is this Kush you're voting?

On December 29 2015 07:04 nooniansoong wrote:


it's so anti-town to claim vt

On December 29 2015 08:52 Irishbound wrote:


I didn't like Scott bandwagoning with Nonians comment in #167, it's also a very easy way for scum to enter into the thread, quite a similar concern with Mdergs #168 although I have liked him prodding you about your town read on me. Do understand that Giygas accusation on Noonian in #172 was a joke but I find it's the type of statement that scum awkwardly make more often than town do, either way I think I'll be able to get a stronger read on the three of them as the day progresses.

On December 29 2015 09:20 Kmatt wrote:


You know it's one thing for the SC2 purists to trash DOTA but I'm not about to take that from "DOTA: Casual Cashgrab edition"

On December 29 2015 09:28 Shapelog wrote:
I fall asleep after eating and 1 and half pages gets written, was hoping for more.

Any ways, I can understand Kmatt and about how GB is putting a postive vibe out there. Personally though, its not enough for me to really be concern about it. Only GB town read on irish is weird
I like Kmatt, he hates my main race in sc2 ^.^ (though, tbf i do not use ults a lot, only like 60% of my ZvT games)

Mostly everything is NAI towards me or reads slightly AL. Irish's intro to me seemed a bit construed when i 1st read it but now seems a bit more free flowing. I can see the town points GB is talking about but i do not think that warrents him a free town read. IDK, idc for strong town reads on a person on D1 (Rikoty lol)

On December 29 2015 09:47 Irishbound wrote:
@NM - I am well aware of the definition of "Anti-Town", what I liked was the speed of Noons reaction towards Glowings comment (The difference between it being posted and his response was 1 minute) which fits more with a natural townie reaction towards the comment being "That's going to hurt us" one and while I don't doubt that it's fake-able for mafia to do that I just find that mafia are more likely to think through the post or it's consequences more there. Again it's not a strong town read but out of everything that had occurred at the time it's only town read I had.

On December 29 2015 07:11 GiygaS wrote:

Failed first post means you're 100% scum, sorry you got discovered so quick man

On December 29 2015 10:47 scott31337 wrote:


GB throwing out townreads like it's drunken Monday - hmmm...



Okay, I'm extremely doubtful a newb mafia makes the post above with the information available. Maybe GB was right You get a townlean for this Irish.



I could possibly jump on this - but it's a big bag of joke/null for now...



This Kmatt guy kind of does what I do - quote into notepad, post thoughts - I like this so far as well.

I'll work on page 11 after the American Football game (or maybe halftime)

On December 29 2015 10:41 GiygaS wrote:
The joke was forced in that I wanted to post to say "I'm here" basically, but didn't really have much to say.

As for what I think about Irish, slight town lean. Only real suspicion is on GB atm for his very matter of fact town read (I agree with it to some extent but he was very confident in it so early which I thought was weird) and that weird first post.

On December 29 2015 23:37 Onegu wrote:



##Vote: Fword Dude

How about this?

On December 29 2015 20:06 Fidei86 wrote:
Hi all. Not many people in this player list I know at all. I know NocturneMage (Alex) pretty well - been in two games with him. Also Scott, GB and Onegu, though I think I've only seen town Scott and Onegu. Everyone else is basically brand new to me.

Alex/NM's opening on me is the most NAI post I've ever seen - he and I always joke about lynching each other pre-game. I don't see how GB could have got anything from that post. GB have you played with NM before? The rest of GB's contributions are pretty ehhh as well. The only thing that sticks out to me is that the last time GB did a claim first post was Newbie XIV, where he was scum and claimed "not not doctor" or some such bullshit. Has anyone else noticed anything similar?

The thing that irks me about Alex/NM's play is always his tone. I usually think when people type too formally it's a Mafia tell, because they're the ones concerned about things being out of place. But with him, that's just how he is. Maybe it's a doctor thing? Content wise, I liked his post at #202. I don't think it makes Irish scum at all, but this is how Scott plays. His activity is always up and down, and he basically has a "see say" way of playing town. He also has played a lot with GB afaik. If anything, I'd give Scott a slight TR. Null on Alex/NM though.

Onegu has a horrible record of AFKing though D1 and then getting replaced. Ugh. I'm not going to hold my breath on that.

I'm not sure what to make of ShapeLog. For an experienced player, the fact that like 80% of his posts are totally off topic would be a major warning sign. But since he doesn't have all that many posts, it could be that he's just feeling comfortable in the thread. As someone who is literally terrified of posting whenever I roll mafia, this is pretty towny to me WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IT IS FUCKING ANNOYING AND SHITS UP THE THREAD WHICH IS VERY ANTI-TOWN. Ahem. Don't spam posts please people.

On December 30 2015 01:15 Shapelog wrote:


Onegu does whatever Onegu does. He expects everyone to follow him IMO like he is town jesus. Onegu could honestly mean to vote Fidei based off of no explanation or lack of explanation. When he was smurfing he was quite aggressive last game.

But if i was to take off the meta glasses of mislynchs, I see either a horrible pressure vote or a troll vote IMO. I mean im guessing the "how about this" was to draw out a reaction of sorts.

No the [S] was because i was being too trolololoing. Idc if he has problems with my playstyle (or hopefully my old play style). His opinion is his opinion

And no i wasn't Afk, i went to grab my grits and it takes me a bit of time to type due to me misspelling every word and having to go back and retype it.

On December 29 2015 20:17 Fidei86 wrote:

I don't understand your read on Gigya versus your read on ShapeLog. I read Gigya's thread and I agree with what you say - it's basically soft town reads on a couple of people based on activity with the rest OOC filler. But then, look at ShapeLog's filter. It's mostly the same, except three times longer.

On December 30 2015 09:43 Kmatt wrote:


I don't think much has changed. To be honest, I did have a scumlean on GB, but I don't want to assert that since I wasn't confident enough in my own "evidence". Looking back over it I think I'm comfortable dropping my scumlean on GB. With that said:

##vote GiygaS

On December 30 2015 09:49 Kmatt wrote:


While that seems like an effective tactic, I really can't like using it as town since that fits "make posts that stir up trouble without actually contributing to the thread" to a T. Not five minutes after I toss my scumread...

If you really do have an argument against me, let's get it out into the open. I don't think there's anything to lose by hiding information from all three of us in here right now.

On December 30 2015 11:04 NocturneMage wrote:
At least Cow's layout is more clear and has more specific points that can be crosschecked.

On December 30 2015 11:35 GlowingBear wrote:


Your basis is basically inactivity and low involvement in the thread, and he is like this as town tooX so you don't actually have a basis

On December 30 2015 11:40 Shapelog wrote:
Hasn't people said that scott played a versus amounts of play styles? (active, semi active, afk) all as town?
I mean if his play style is that changing then i be more incline to think the afk is NAI then AI. idk i like to see him post more as with GiygaS Khan.

On December 30 2015 11:44 Shapelog wrote:


GB might of made a post about this yet, but GB has been very defective this game. Apperainty it is to generate content and have people talk about it. But yet it is funny to me that afterwards, when he posts, it generates more content then the tatic did.
And a quick skim up the thread shows that he is deflecting a Kmatt read.

I really starting to have probs. with this again. Hes deflecting to much IMO.

On December 30 2015 11:18 Irishbound wrote:
I'll summarise the issues I have with Noon:

a) In the pregame he stated that he was looking forward to playing with Onegu here, it's not impossible that it was him being sarcastic but it does make his attempt to policy lynch Onegu based on nearly nothing inside this thread look very scum motivated. b) I find the timing of his push on Onegu (When there was attention on Scott) as well as his shotty reasoning behind town reading Scott in this post to mean that he makes a lot of sense as scum with Scott. c) Strongly dislike the fact that he's not attempted to scumhunt at all throughout this day phase and is attempting to state he won't do so until D2, that makes sense coming from scum thinking he's able to coast a day phase without any risk himself.

Alright I'll continue catching up an then I'll post my reads line.

On December 30 2015 12:00 NocturneMage wrote:


I can see where you are coming from especially since Scott's reasoning to townread KMatt on taht explanation was poor, plus saying what he said there "I could jump on this" it doesn't line up with ending up at a null read, not to mention I had already posted other material that Scott could have looked at. but to be fair that is a separate issue that he may have neglected to look at as either alignment.

Policy lynching is something I have seen coming out of both alignments to be fair, I know it was the case in Dark Tournament, townies wanting to lynch other townies but I think those townies had been playing all game.

On December 30 2015 11:55 Irishbound wrote:
@NM - I've just finished going through Fideis ISO and have literally no read on him at all, you've got some meta experience with him from what his posts suggest, what's your read on him at the moment (With some reasoning please)?

On December 30 2015 12:18 NocturneMage wrote:


So basically what I know of Fidei's meta is that as town he tries to solve the game, will whine about spam and is generally a low volume poster since he's a laywer who works ridiculous hours. There are two reads that I have not been able to follow easily (I'm seeing a double standard between Shapelog and GigyaS reads but I do want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding those reads). I don't agree entirely with his initial scott read, partially because I'm sceptical of meta and he used a game (NSM 14 where scott was high activity) where he took a town trait and compared it to here. But looking into the substance - or lack of substance in scott - moving to null would make sense.

There is not enough solving of the game from him and I cannot contest what he's saying on Onegu as a policy lynch, but he has not returned.

I tentatively have a null to scumlean on him largely because I couldn't follow the GigyaS/Shapelog reads but I was going to engage him when he returned to the thread and would hopefully comment on the key issues that have arisen since.

On December 31 2015 06:01 scott31337 wrote:
4) Irishbound - Wants me dead, wants Onegu dead - we're both town/mislynches (Pretty sure Onegu town) - scumlean
5) GiygaS - filter worse than mine - would lynch
6) NocturneMage - Wants me dead just not as badly - Doesn't look like his scum meta (unless he's been learning!) - townlean
7) Fidei86 - His list post is pretty decent - wouldn't lynch today - but not super solid townlean either.
8) mderg - Lots of one liners and questions - was honest about my filter when re-reading it though but still votes me - I dont feel so OMGUS'y on him like I do Irish though. There are better lynches for today.
9) GlowingBear - He's a little too calm - but I still think he's town
10) Onegu - Started barf VT claim town Onegu day 1 meta - dont lynch
11) nooniansoong - Defended me when the thread is after me, but I don't think it's a pocket.

On December 31 2015 06:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Scott, vote Kmatt with me.

On December 31 2015 06:25 Onegu wrote:



I have done it as mafia multiple times. I have done it as blue multiple times. I have done it as VT multiple times.

On December 31 2015 06:01 scott31337 wrote:
1) Kmatt - Shows some decent thoughts that I like - expresses thoughts - and the post I noted before - townlean

On December 31 2015 06:51 scott31337 wrote:
People om Fidei look better than on Kmatt after looking it over.

Is that better?

On December 31 2015 07:08 GlowingBear wrote:


So you don't think he is scummy?

On December 31 2015 07:31 GlowingBear wrote:
NM I've asked that because in early day1 you said Irish was a scumlean but he completely disappeared from your radar since that time

On December 29 2015 10:08 NocturneMage wrote:


Alright, I see what you mean by the timestamps, I can accept this explanation, fair enough.

On January 01 2016 13:56 nooniansoong wrote:
happy new years all. good to have you back shape.

On January 01 2016 13:49 Shapelog wrote:


idk i read his filter when i catch up if i feel like it tonight.

And just saw scott got lynched.......And no one else voted for kush. Eh shapelog Vs Kush rule must happen.

On January 01 2016 14:19 NocturneMage wrote:
Also Onegu, is your case against GB boiling down to:

(1) the quick town read on Irish
(2) his scumreading/pushing you

Or was there more than that? That was all I could garner from your filter.

Did you have any comments to make regarding his engagement with his scumreads?

On December 31 2015 23:32 GlowingBear wrote:


I don't believe in scumslips, I've quoted that because I find hard to believe Onegu would see a slip from fidei but wouldn't from Shapelog.

To add to that, he said "then shape is Mafia too" but just forgot about that and now he is only scum reading me and Fidei

On January 01 2016 14:36 NocturneMage wrote:


I didn't actually play in Nutcracker, but seeing that Onegu didn't play in Nutcracker do you think it's possible or believeable the Shapelog scumslip would have just gone over his head?

On December 30 2015 23:27 Fidei86 wrote:
Noon/Kush - This whole filter makes me want to facepalm. He TRs Scott for saying he could "possibly jump" on someone else's read. WTF? I just don't understand this read at all - mafia are the ones who are going to hedge and give weak reads, not town. He then goes into a day-long "woe is me, D1 is so hard" stupor, which is (a) totally destructive to town, and (b) effective at hiding his thoughts on the game. Having said that, he then seems to basically mindlessly sheep GB onto his read onto Kmatt. I also don't follow his point about NM and KMatt whiteknighting, since a bunch of other people also came into the thread to say that timestamp analysis wasn't helpful. He then also prods a bunch of people into giving reads, despite the fact that he himself has given almost no content.

On January 03 2016 00:42 Fidei86 wrote:

I don't think being aggressive in reads is necessarily newb town, especially when that townie has previously been kinda meek. Ehhhh.

I really want to hear from Shining and Alex (NM) before I update all my reads. I'll quickly read GB's filter a bit to see if I can get a handle on it. That said, the fact that Onegu is so happy to jump onto GB for literally the flimsiest reasons I've ever seen make me more sure that Onegu is scum, which makes it unlikely GB is with him. But, associative reads, I get it.

On January 03 2016 00:55 Fidei86 wrote:
Only two points on GB:
1. His early reads were mostly town reads and were short, but that fits in with him being in another game. Kmatt puts a lot of emphasis on that in his case, but it's NAI if anything. In my mind it's more towny than anything as he would find it harder to walk back if he needed for a ML.
2. My experience of playing GB is that he struggles to maintain calm when he plays as scum. In the game we played together, he was much more acerbic and less flexible with his reads. He's different here - note #736 where he re-evaluates on Kmatt.

GB is an experienced player who probably could change up his meta, but I think he's probably town. He's not the lynch today for sure.

On January 03 2016 02:54 NocturneMage wrote:


What do you think about GB's voting GigyaS and then Onegu after I explained my issues with him? And especially voting GigyaS after going hard on Onegu from the perspective that Onegu couldn't possibly believe what he is saying night 1?

Another point against GB is that in spite of him being confident that mderg is scum (not so much the last post, that was after the fact but I'm referring to post 735), still why GigyaS over either of those two? How does this make sense from a town perspective?

On January 03 2016 01:37 GlowingBear wrote:


(1) I've just explained that it wasn't a reaction test, it was just to have people discussing. This means that how people react doesn't matter. So I don't necessarily was expecting a response from Shapelog and I don't necessarily need to infer anything from his responses. Also, have in mind that although I've posted a vote without reasoning, it doesn't mean I didn't have a read on Kmatt. I did.

(2) I didn't click on the post lol so I don't know what you're talking about, I will check it after I post this.

(3) Fair enough. I had in mind that if I wasn't going to be killed night1 it was because I was wrong (my reads differ from basically everyone in the thread, I supposed that if I was right I would die, therefore, my reads are wrong and I should re-check Irish's scum reads). But you are right.

(4) Lurking isn't the reason I am scum reading him, so coming in and out of the thread doesn't matter. What matters is HOW he is doing it, and he is being very selective on what to talk about and not really pursuing any person to further investigate people's alignment, which makes me think he is scum.

(5) You're right, again. I should be voting Onegu.

On January 03 2016 22:46 nooniansoong wrote:
Thanks for stepping in to explain it to the newbie, Mr mafia 😄

On January 03 2016 22:48 nooniansoong wrote:
Shape mderg onegu is my scumteam. So we basically agree nm.

On January 03 2016 23:37 Onegu wrote:
@NM if you scum read both me and GB why are you voting me over BlowingGear?

On January 04 2016 03:30 Fidei86 wrote:
I'm a bit concerned that nobody has really defended Onegu at all, but at this point if he's scum his scummates are probably trying to distance themselves from him. Also, GB is not the lynch today. I don't really like any of the points made against him.

##vote: Onegu

On January 04 2016 01:59 nooniansoong wrote:


Mdergs point against gb was so obvious he doesn't get townpoints for that. Put your self in scums place. Would you think to jump on that post from gb? Of course.

On January 04 2016 04:09 Shapelog wrote:
Hi
This is shapelogs girlfriend.

My Bf is in the ER again and has to get another surgery. He asked me to ask for a /replace or whatever that is.

Where do i do this at?

On January 04 2016 04:10 GiygaS wrote:
I honestly cannot figure out who I want to lynch today. I was so sure on kmatt until that megapost. Going to go over GB and Onegu's filters and the cases on them one more time, as it seems like the lynch will be one of those two.

On January 04 2016 04:09 NocturneMage wrote:
Page 1 of mderg's filter could come from either alignment. Mostly one-liners, indicates someone conversational, again either alignment. The scumread on you from him makes sense - if he's not familiar with your play (????) then it makes sense for him to call you hypocritical for calling a lynch when you don't play until d2.

From a scum motivation however, post 323 can be seen - you cannot expect someone to solve the game day 1. From a town motivation though you can also say that you aren't working towards finding a proper scum lynch.

The way I see it for my own standards is that if you cannot find a good lynch or compromise on a lynch early enough in the cycle THEN you go for the policy lynch.

On January 04 2016 01:50 Kmatt wrote:


I would probably start looking into Noon more before placing that vote. The Onegu train seems to be going strong but I haven't been sold on him, while I have been picking up on that connection between GB and Noon. Admittedly with my hunt for GB I haven't been scrutinizing other players more and I ought to go do some more reading on the rest of the thread.

On that note, where is Shape? His sudden disappearance following the first night kill is rather suspicious. I can understand being out for New Year's, but it's been two full days now. I think I'm gonna have to join you on that scumread you have for him.

On January 04 2016 04:27 GiygaS wrote:
Going over it again I really don't like how kmatt ignored GB's probably most substantial post despite going over pretty much every other one when most of his case relies on painting GB as someone who's just shitposting and questioning people.

Post I'm referring to:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 04 2016 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Why am I Mafia, NM?

I've went against every single point you've wrote. You decided I'm Mafia because I didn't come back earlier. Is that all?

On January 04 2016 05:22 nooniansoong wrote:
i disagree that disinformation confirmed anything. His girlfriend didn't see the PM when she started writing in the thread. the host had to respond in the thread because she wrote in teh thread.

On January 04 2016 05:46 GiygaS wrote:
He answered mine, it was because I missed a filter page

On January 04 2016 07:12 GiygaS wrote:

I just wasn't sure on GB and then your point about where mafia was voting convinced me.fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck

On January 04 2016 05:09 GiygaS wrote:
I would agree with this if you also included his mderg "read". I can see you ignoring it though as it wasn't particularly substantial. I think I'm going to vote GB, the case seems to hold up.

On January 04 2016 07:22 The Shining wrote:


So you think Shape is town, too? Don't you think it's also likely scum being unable to play would also ask for a replacement to not risk being modkilled and screwing over their scumteam? That feels NAI, at best, to me. I'm not sure it warrants a read either way. And I've def seen scum replace out before. Hm.

On January 04 2016 07:48 The Shining wrote:
Irish flipped town and I have a pretty solid TR on NM, who are the first 2 votes on Scott. Irish also pushed this lynch pretty hard. I believe the lynch was a case of town adamantly pushing the town ML and scum having to do zero work on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only one scum on the Scott wagon and the rest were off-wagon. Like kush/noon. If i choose to believe GB is town, that leaves me with mderg/Fidei/Giygas as one of the scum on the Scott wagon.

Kush can you explain to me how you went from voting Fidei WITH Onegu D1 to voting Onegu WITH Fidei D2?

I also really hate outlier votes and have caught scum that way, because scum wouldn't want to all be on the wagon if its a mislynch, like Scotts wagon. So I'm immediately suspicious of Kmatt and Shapelog. But I found a few townie brownies in your filter and Shape is apparently being replaced or modkilled so I won't get too much into that until next day phase, assuming I live.

I'll probably go read Fidei and mderg and giygas tonight.

On January 04 2016 08:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait who's the one who started the conversation about whether replacing is alignment indicative? that's scummy as fuck mod actions and replacements are not alignment indicative it's practically setup talk

On January 04 2016 08:14 NocturneMage wrote:
EBWOP, wait you're saying kush was off wagon? If I remember right from end of cycle, he was on a wagon of three against Fidei and tried to get people to vote Fidei.

On January 05 2016 01:05 nooniansoong wrote:
NM it's not that it's a lowball argument. I looked at it and thought the same thing: "wow what a bad reason to scumread/vote someone"
But it's so obvious that mafia can think of it easily.

On January 05 2016 01:07 nooniansoong wrote:
clarification: I thought GB's reasoning was bad. Mderg's reasoning for scumreading that post wasn't bad but it's too easy to get townpoints for.

On January 05 2016 01:24 mderg wrote:

That's not wrong BUT is there anything I get scumpoints for?
Seriously, both you and GB have been scumreading me for like 5 rl days without giving any proper explanation for it but for some reason want the others to prove that I'm town. That's so fucking stupid I can't even believe it.

On January 05 2016 01:12 nooniansoong wrote:
Could be scum:
1) Kmatt
2) Shapelog replaced by FecalFeast
3) TheCow replaced by The Shining
5) GiygaS
7) Fidei86
8) mderg

Scumteam?:
FF
Fidei
mderg

~~~
Gigyas did something that seemed town to me. I'd have to find it again though.
~~~

this is getting lame and I think I'm starting to look for evidence that fits my conclusion rather than using the evidence t ocome to my conclusion but it really feels like fidei is trying really hard to show where his reads are coming from, moreso than he's trying to show his reads, if that makes sense.

On January 05 2016 17:15 Fecalfeast wrote:

lol this is the kinda silly stuff I like do you really think this?

On January 06 2016 01:06 NocturneMage wrote:
KMatt is newb town, not lynching him today.

If you are looking at mderg, then take a look at how he responded to me, his key argument against Noon is that Noon is framing his arguments to be exclusively mafia. My only concern based on mderg's response to me is that when he says he's sure he's on mafia, he will push them pretty hard, but I've not seen that so far. This is by his own standards.

Noon is making the same argument as you on mderg though, and the way this game has been going there's a decent shot one of them is mafia, and I think particularly as Noon's claimed scum meta is similar to mderg's scum meta here, I will probably need to resolve those two using the database as well as how this cycle goes.

On January 06 2016 07:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
wait wtf he had like 0 minutes to dwitch when giygas voted....

yeah gb might be town

On January 06 2016 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
The main reason i had him as scum was he stayed on onegu while his scumread gigyas voted onegu too. The timing means gb had little time to move if any at all so my reason for scumming hin is invalid

On January 06 2016 09:58 nooniansoong wrote:
so guess it's fidei, oo, gb.
well played fidei this scumgame was actually a lot better than your last one.
But that case against mderg is so scummy lol.

On January 06 2016 21:10 Fidei86 wrote:

I just don't understand this pov. GB said that he thought there was something to be gained by looking at Irish's scum reads. GB then accurately recited Irish's scum reads. Mderg then basically said that GB had done so in a misleading way. But mderg didn't follow up that point by saying "oh yeah you actually can tell something from the other reads Irish had". It isn't like he was trying to make a nuanced argument based on that point, he just shit on GB fullstop. And even if he had, it doesn't matter anyway because GB wasn't purporting to talk about all of Irish's reads in the first place. To me, that is mderg trying to scum GB for bad reasons, at best. And that is following on from his GB read which honestly has made no sense to me the entire game.

On December 31 2015 04:11 Onegu wrote:
Also meta doesnt work on me GB you have played with me long enough to know this. I purposely change how I play both alignments periodically so I cant be meta read. And the fact that you are trying to meta read me is complete garbage.

On January 03 2016 00:50 Onegu wrote:
GB not deciding to defend himself just saying it is a town case from kmatt is really telling.

And yes I will be tunneled on to fword dude and GB until they are dead, I am dead or it is lylo then I will reevaluate in lylo. Tunnel for now.

On January 06 2016 22:28 Fidei86 wrote:

Phone posting so can't consolidate, but this is his second post. Will post third in one sec.

On January 06 2016 23:20 GlowingBear wrote:


Why the Bolded is a Mafia indicative assertion? Explain to me how that assertion can't come from a town and why that assertion is a consequence of a scum mindset.

On January 06 2016 23:23 GlowingBear wrote:


ROFL now you're just full of shit. So now that Onegu is town his "meta" on me is accurate? Give me a break m

On January 06 2016 23:14 GlowingBear wrote:


What did I do that was wrong?

Why do townies get shot, NM?

On January 06 2016 23:35 GlowingBear wrote:


Ok, so?

On January 06 2016 23:29 GlowingBear wrote:


NO

IT DOESN'T MAKE IT WEAKER

BECAUSE REASSESSING DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN DROPPING

And as soon as people told me I was WIFOM I've reevaluated and dropped it.

Now I'm conscious about Giygas and I think he looks scummy for all the reasons I've brouhht AND IF YOU THINK I'M PUSHING GIYGAS BECAUSE OF THE NIGHTKILL YOU ARE NOT READING MY FUCKING POSTS

On January 06 2016 12:39 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't admit that. I admit that Irish was killed because he was looking townie. Which doesn't mean Mafia didn't think he was also a danger to the team while scum reading Giygas.

But the reason I scum read Giygas is that it is already day3 and I know nothing about his reads. He is not engaged, he is not investigating. He is here, comes by and do nothing. There is something in particular: he decided to vote me last day. After asking me questions that I answered and made him say "oh yes you're right you already said that". What I mean is that, from our interaction, you can see that he had a suspicion on something about me and when proved wrong, he backtracked. Therefore, it basically means he dropped his suspicions on me. Why voting me, then? It came out of the blue.

Then Gyigas voted Onegu. Again, what under Giygas POV makes him switch to Onegu's wagon? Basically, me and Onegu are never partners for the way we've pushed each other. So if Giygas actually was scum reading me, how come he switches to Onegu?

On January 07 2016 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, lynch me today
When I flip town lynch my scum reads

They are Giygas/mderg/?

Also remember what I said on NM before

I'm getting ready to work and I'll be AFK during the entire day.

I hope you guys do the right thing. If you don't, do NOT ignore my reads.

On January 07 2016 01:01 NocturneMage wrote:
phoneposting -



I don't understand

(1) why is mderg mafia? Your reason for scumming him boils down to his style. I read his town games (disclaimer - could not get to his scum games yet) and his style in this game is similar to his town games. so I don't like your argument and any of the arguments against him on passivity. Of further note, mderg has gotten mislynched a bunch of times looking at his record.

(2) your points against gigyas are somewhat legitimate regarding not understanding his reads, mindset but I also agree with Noon that how he's formulating scumteams looks towny. what I had wanted to ask you was the way you attacked his approach to the thread, he gave a lot of RL excuses but those excuses were nai.

where I have more trouble is that gigyas had posted since yet you made that same conclusion.

On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:
mafia
mderg
(no original thoughts. the guy is just following the thread and rarely putting any original thoughts on the thread. Throw suspicions without going after it, like he did talking about me and kush avoiding each otherm and simply isn't caring for actually uncovering people's alignment)

On January 07 2016 06:46 mderg wrote:
GB not realizing it's MYLO definitely makes one doubt. Of course he could be saying that on purpose but still...

On January 07 2016 06:54 GiygaS wrote:

6 hours ago I think.

On January 07 2016 07:08 nooniansoong wrote:
I had the sneaking suspicion that NM was too agreeable but godamn he did so much analysis..
kmatt how is that your first game.. you liar

On January 07 2016 07:19 DoYouHas wrote:
NM, I really loved watching your play and mentality grow during this game. You went from uncomfortable and panicked, questioning everything to awesome and panicked, leading your team. Glad I was a catalyst for that (though a little afraid of you now TBH).

On January 07 2016 08:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Called out James early but later got to Alex but couldn't connect Kmatt to them. WP scum. Honestly I feel like the biggest reason town lost was lack of activity and mafia was able to move the thread/hide in the thread very easily.