Newbie Student Mafia XVIII - Page 8

On January 03 2016 00:38 GlowingBear wrote:
There's a reason Irish is dead and I'm not. The reason is that he was probably right at least for one of his scum reads.

His scum reads were kush/Giygas/Scott. Scott is dead, I think kush is more likely to be town. So I'm voting Giygas because I simply have no reason to town read him.

That gigantic post from Kmatt probably makes him town. If I had a wrong scum read, it is him. I keep my scumread on mderg and Onegu, tho.

To be fair, I'm pretty confident we hit a Mafia on mderg. But considering the night kill we should probably kill Giygas first.

On January 06 2016 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:


1) because he was universally town read. His approach to the game was also very experienced. He is a better player than most of veterans in these forums already.

2) Of course? Why else would scum kill him? Do you think scum was blue hunting since the beginning?

On January 06 2016 07:18 Fidei86 wrote:
This wagon on GB gives me the super heebie-jeebies. There are too many people jumping onto it too easily and with too little explanation. I think we should be lynching mderg instead, for the following reasons:

His first read on GB makes no sense

At #237 he notes that people are quick to jump on GB, for reasons that he agrees with "his opening was fishy", but he doesn't like it because it "feels too easy". So the opening is scummy, but people pointing that out is fishy? Huh?

His second read on GB is based on a falsity

Day 2 he votes GB initially (#741) for absolutely shit reasons - GB quoted Irish's reads accurately, and tried to do some NK WIFOM. Mderg then said that GB had NOT given Irish's reads correctly (which GB had) and voted for him. When called out on it, he tried to say that GB had cherry picked votes, which he HADN'T. This is just a read based on a factual innaccuracy, but instead of admitting the mistake, he doubles down.

He parrots other people's reasons for voting

His Scott vote at #455 was for reasons that had already been set out by others (set out helpfully by Irish at #441). On top of that, he also says that he's going to "park his vote" there, which is pretty scummy as it indicates a lack of conviction and looks to be leaving himself room to change later. He doesn't actually change his vote, despite not really saying anything about scott through the rest of the day.

When he finally explained his GB read after the #741 issue, he basically just summarised what people had said previously about GB. Then at #815 he calls out Kmatt's case, but says that he agrees with some of it and that GB is scum anyway.

His posts are responsive and reactive.

Most of his posts throughout his filter are responses to other posts. It's a classic scum technique of appearing active, while actually not contributing anything. See, for example, #599, #587, although really most of his filter fits the pattern.

His only long posts have come recently, and they seem to have mostly been an explanation of his own play in past games ... big help.

LYNCH mderg. Please.

##vote: mderg

On January 06 2016 17:16 GiygaS wrote:
Like I'm right that fdei's post could easily be from a town if GB is town right? Chainsaw is only a scumtell if the person they are defending is scum. But then who's scum? I have solid town reads on noon, kmatt and nm. Which means I'm wrong about one of those people or the scum team is 3 of GB, fdei, ff and mderg. Makes a lot more sense for the first 3 to be a scum team than the last one to be on a team with GB and fdei after fdei's post.

On January 03 2016 00:55 mderg wrote:

I don't like this post at all. You're simply using his reads to vote without giving it any real thought. You're also ignoring pretty much all of his other reads this game. That's not town play.

##vote GB

You're simply using his reads to vote without giving it any real thought

You're also ignoring pretty much all of his other reads this game

On January 06 2016 23:12 GlowingBear wrote:


Reassessing scum reads doesn't mean he would drop them, necessarily. Why are you pushing this information so hard?

On January 06 2016 12:39 GlowingBear wrote:


I don't admit that. I admit that Irish was killed because he was looking townie. Which doesn't mean Mafia didn't think he was also a danger to the team while scum reading Giygas.

But the reason I scum read Giygas is that it is already day3 and I know nothing about his reads. He is not engaged, he is not investigating. He is here, comes by and do nothing. There is something in particular: he decided to vote me last day. After asking me questions that I answered and made him say "oh yes you're right you already said that". What I mean is that, from our interaction, you can see that he had a suspicion on something about me and when proved wrong, he backtracked. Therefore, it basically means he dropped his suspicions on me. Why voting me, then? It came out of the blue.

Then Gyigas voted Onegu. Again, what under Giygas POV makes him switch to Onegu's wagon? Basically, me and Onegu are never partners for the way we've pushed each other. So if Giygas actually was scum reading me, how come he switches to Onegu?

On January 06 2016 15:16 GiygaS wrote:
I'm back. I'm honestly really frustrated because I can't figure out what the fuck is going on. I read for hours last night and nothing came out of it cause when I thought somebody was scum I would convince myself on second look that they were very possibly town. GB vote this morning was just because I woke up late for work and honestly thought day ended today for some reason. I just want to slam my fucking head in to this fucking keyboard until I can figure out how the fuck to play this game. Now I'm thinking that it's possible that GB is town, in which case fdei making a chainsaw defense means absolutely nothing.

On January 06 2016 15:18 GiygaS wrote:
I voted you GB and then switched because I knew that you were unlikely to be mafia together, but I couldn't figure out which of you was mafia out of the two, since I had it in my head that since there were only two people being voted for in such a close margin that it was likely there was a mafia in the two.

On January 06 2016 17:16 GiygaS wrote:
Like I'm right that fdei's post could easily be from a town if GB is town right? Chainsaw is only a scumtell if the person they are defending is scum. But then who's scum? I have solid town reads on noon, kmatt and nm. Which means I'm wrong about one of those people or the scum team is 3 of GB, fdei, ff and mderg. Makes a lot more sense for the first 3 to be a scum team than the last one to be on a team with GB and fdei after fdei's post.