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On January 07 2016 09:51 Trfel wrote:I still say that this is another example of why you can't use stupid meta reads. NocturneMage played one game as scum and apparently it was really bad. He played his second game as scum and it was at least decent (I didn't read it  ). Point made XD
Yeah. I think I might have to join the meta hater club at least when it comes to ppl that don't have much games played.
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On January 07 2016 07:17 disformation wrote:disformafia's ranty rant QTDisclaimer: I love you all, despite the rant QT suggesting otherwise at some points. Warning: May contain some mild swear words. + Show Spoiler +
I've loved this.
Rant QTs needs to be a thing
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On January 07 2016 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 07:17 disformation wrote:disformafia's ranty rant QTDisclaimer: I love you all, despite the rant QT suggesting otherwise at some points. Warning: May contain some mild swear words. + Show Spoiler + I've loved this. Rant QTs needs to be a thing
Glad I was able to entertain. 
I will probably make a QT for myself for all the games I am very invested in, cause I need some place to vent/rant for those and I won't always have a scum or coach QT to do so. Not sure if all of those will be as entertaining as this one though. xD
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.... Fidei was really obvious but GB was soo defending him I thought they were a team for sure.
oh well GG
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On January 07 2016 09:11 Half the Sky wrote:
DYH, I'll echo what they said...but splendid coaching and I think I might be a bit more scared of your own scum play.
/bow, it was lots of fun and I invested more time than I probably should have for just coaching. As for my own scumplay, I think it will be a good example of how it is easier to teach than to do next time I roll it.
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On January 07 2016 11:26 scott31337 wrote:
.... Fidei was really obvious but GB was soo defending him I thought they were a team for sure.
oh well GG
Basically every game I'm town
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On January 07 2016 08:23 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 08:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Called out James early but later got to Alex but couldn't connect Kmatt to them. WP scum. Honestly I feel like the biggest reason town lost was lack of activity and mafia was able to move the thread/hide in the thread very easily. You called me first thing in obs qt...how?
I meant to say that I found you out later but it was mainly HTS putting the connection with you and James.
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That obs QT.
So convinced I was scum yet so in denial of it. Unfortunately I won't be able to pull my newb card anymore but definitely looking forward to next game.
Also props to DYH, solid advice.
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gg. I ended up following this although i didn't even think i had the time.
NM played really well. I think other scum were perfectly catchable, although i felt D1 was really slow (except for Irishbound). I was heavily thinking Scott was town for some reason but i don't remember why so i won't talk about it more.
well played mafia.
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I would like to know the following though:
scott31337 (6): Irishbound, NocturneMage, mderg, GiygaS, GlowingBear, Fidei86
Fidei86 (3): Onegu, nooniansoong, scott31337
nooniansoong (1): Shapelog
GlowingBear (1): Kmatt
This is the final votecount from D1.
Onegu and kush (mainly, and also the townies on scott), why did you decide that Fidei is not mafia on D2?
There was never any serious push on anyone except for Glowingbear/Onegu on D2, what suddenly changed?
Like you guys had at least a semi-serious counterwagon for the D1 lynch and imo Fidei didn't really do anything particularly townie during the night.
(when someone has 2 scumreads in a game where there is 3 mafia, it is extremely unlike they have, at the same time five null reads -- unless they are scum)
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On January 07 2016 08:33 disformation wrote:
Yeah, bit sad that geript wasn't able to do the whole game. Would have been very interested to see whether/how he would have figured out the reads.
Yah sorry. I had 3 really shitty days of work in a row (I'm a nurse) as this game started; then things got a bit worse. They're looking a bit better but it kinda defeats the purpose.
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Don't worry geript, now you come out of it thinking I'm somewhat decent at this game instead of utter garbage ^.^
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On January 07 2016 14:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:I would like to know the following though: Show nested quote +scott31337 (6): Irishbound, NocturneMage, mderg, GiygaS, GlowingBear, Fidei86
Fidei86 (3): Onegu, nooniansoong, scott31337
nooniansoong (1): Shapelog
GlowingBear (1): Kmatt This is the final votecount from D1. Onegu and kush (mainly, and also the townies on scott), why did you decide that Fidei is not mafia on D2? There was never any serious push on anyone except for Glowingbear/Onegu on D2, what suddenly changed? Like you guys had at least a semi-serious counterwagon for the D1 lynch and imo Fidei didn't really do anything particularly townie during the night. (when someone has 2 scumreads in a game where there is 3 mafia, it is extremely unlike they have, at the same time five null reads -- unless they are scum)
His defense made me realize I didn't have a good case on him. But I did end up scumreading him just because his last case was full of misrepresentation.
Kmart I made a bad assumption that first game player couldn't make that megacase. I guess I wasn't accounting for the coach effect?
Nm yeah.. I stopped looking at his posts critically because of two reasons. I assumed that only town had his type of analytical content. Although now that I think back it was more like high caliber nitpicking. Also his last scumgame sucked and His play this game was an astonomical jump, which made him being scum less likely in my mind.
So town was forced to make bad cases on each other, which made town look more scummy. Gbs reasoning for scumreading Mderg and gigyas was a lack of strong scumreads, but they didn't have scum reads because scum was playing really well.
When a game seems hard like this one did, I think you need to recalibrate and almost reverse what to expect from town and scum. Town will look bad because they can't figure stuff out, and scum will look good because hard games are an indication that scum is playing well.
As for that last part, that's not true. Gb had 2 scum reads. Mderg had 0..
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On January 07 2016 21:28 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 14:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:I would like to know the following though: scott31337 (6): Irishbound, NocturneMage, mderg, GiygaS, GlowingBear, Fidei86
Fidei86 (3): Onegu, nooniansoong, scott31337
nooniansoong (1): Shapelog
GlowingBear (1): Kmatt This is the final votecount from D1. Onegu and kush (mainly, and also the townies on scott), why did you decide that Fidei is not mafia on D2? There was never any serious push on anyone except for Glowingbear/Onegu on D2, what suddenly changed? Like you guys had at least a semi-serious counterwagon for the D1 lynch and imo Fidei didn't really do anything particularly townie during the night. (when someone has 2 scumreads in a game where there is 3 mafia, it is extremely unlike they have, at the same time five null reads -- unless they are scum) His defense made me realize I didn't have a good case on him. But I did end up scumreading him just because his last case was full of misrepresentation. Kmart I made a bad assumption that first game player couldn't make that megacase. I guess I wasn't accounting for the coach effect? Nm yeah.. I stopped looking at his posts critically because of two reasons. I assumed that only town had his type of analytical content. Although now that I think back it was more like high caliber nitpicking. Also his last scumgame sucked and His play this game was an astonomical jump, which made him being scum less likely in my mind. So town was forced to make bad cases on each other, which made town look more scummy. Gbs reasoning for scumreading Mderg and gigyas was a lack of strong scumreads, but they didn't have scum reads because scum was playing really well. When a game seems hard like this one did, I think you need to recalibrate and almost reverse what to expect from town and scum. Town will look bad because they can't figure stuff out, and scum will look good because hard games are an indication that scum is playing well. As for that last part, that's not true. Gb had 2 scum reads. Mderg had 0..
The last part i meant the post Fidei made at the end of D1. There were two things that stood out:
1) He had 2 scumreads + Onegu as policy lynch. In a game where there is 3 mafia, that's it (or the conclusions should likely be that), but instead of making the conclusions he had 5 other players he NULLREAD!!! That should have rang some alarm bells in my opinion.
2) Another thing that stood out was his read on mderg (if i remember correctly). In his post he stated reasons for mderg being town (his scumreading GB and you) -- but the conclusion was "mderg is null because he is only pushing his top 2 scumreads"..... ???? Like, that is something where Fidei in my opinion makes two different conclusions based on same thing (town points for having two scumreads -- scum points for pushing them).
+ Show Spoiler +Mderg - I like his pressuring on Noon/Kush as well regarding D1. Someone said in the thread earlier that they lynch scum 60% of games D1. I don't think it's that high for me, but mderg is right that a successful d1 lynch for town reaaaaally fucks scum. He has a couple of short posts that give interesting insight (eg #376), but generally he seems pretty focussed on pushing his kush / GB association without looking wider than that. basically what i am talking about here is this; The green part is a "towntell" -- it's obvious from Fidei's wording. The non-colored part is 100% null, noone can consider that alignment indicative. So it only means Fidei HAS to think the red part is scummy (that cancels the townread he otherwise should have). And it makes no sense given that it is EXACTLY the same thing he gives townpoints to mderg.
I wouldn't fault anyone for not scumreading NM, tbh he looked one of the most townie players in the game, at least for me. Kmatt was like... umm.. i don't remember much he posted, but i think he could have been caught aswell.
I was just wondering why people let go of the scumread on Fidei (namely the people who wanted to lynch him on D1). Hell Onegu's whole filter is yelling "Fidei scumslipped" and while i think it's kind of a ridiculous to assume he in fact did (regardless of it is true or not -- you are never gonna convince anyone with that kinda case), it's even more ridiculous that he completely stopped pushing Fidei after D1 -- i would have probably lynched Onegu myself after that.
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On January 07 2016 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 21:28 nooniansoong wrote:On January 07 2016 14:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:I would like to know the following though: scott31337 (6): Irishbound, NocturneMage, mderg, GiygaS, GlowingBear, Fidei86
Fidei86 (3): Onegu, nooniansoong, scott31337
nooniansoong (1): Shapelog
GlowingBear (1): Kmatt This is the final votecount from D1. Onegu and kush (mainly, and also the townies on scott), why did you decide that Fidei is not mafia on D2? There was never any serious push on anyone except for Glowingbear/Onegu on D2, what suddenly changed? Like you guys had at least a semi-serious counterwagon for the D1 lynch and imo Fidei didn't really do anything particularly townie during the night. (when someone has 2 scumreads in a game where there is 3 mafia, it is extremely unlike they have, at the same time five null reads -- unless they are scum) His defense made me realize I didn't have a good case on him. But I did end up scumreading him just because his last case was full of misrepresentation. Kmart I made a bad assumption that first game player couldn't make that megacase. I guess I wasn't accounting for the coach effect? Nm yeah.. I stopped looking at his posts critically because of two reasons. I assumed that only town had his type of analytical content. Although now that I think back it was more like high caliber nitpicking. Also his last scumgame sucked and His play this game was an astonomical jump, which made him being scum less likely in my mind. So town was forced to make bad cases on each other, which made town look more scummy. Gbs reasoning for scumreading Mderg and gigyas was a lack of strong scumreads, but they didn't have scum reads because scum was playing really well. When a game seems hard like this one did, I think you need to recalibrate and almost reverse what to expect from town and scum. Town will look bad because they can't figure stuff out, and scum will look good because hard games are an indication that scum is playing well. As for that last part, that's not true. Gb had 2 scum reads. Mderg had 0.. The last part i meant the post Fidei made at the end of D1. There were two things that stood out: 1) He had 2 scumreads + Onegu as policy lynch. In a game where there is 3 mafia, that's it (or the conclusions should likely be that), but instead of making the conclusions he had 5 other players he NULLREAD!!! That should have rang some alarm bells in my opinion. 2) Another thing that stood out was his read on mderg (if i remember correctly). In his post he stated reasons for mderg being town (his scumreading GB and you) -- but the conclusion was "mderg is null because he is only pushing his top 2 scumreads"..... ???? Like, that is something where Fidei in my opinion makes two different conclusions based on same thing (town points for having two scumreads -- scum points for pushing them). + Show Spoiler +Mderg - I like his pressuring on Noon/Kush as well regarding D1. Someone said in the thread earlier that they lynch scum 60% of games D1. I don't think it's that high for me, but mderg is right that a successful d1 lynch for town reaaaaally fucks scum. He has a couple of short posts that give interesting insight (eg #376), but generally he seems pretty focussed on pushing his kush / GB association without looking wider than that. basically what i am talking about here is this; The green part is a "towntell" -- it's obvious from Fidei's wording. The non-colored part is 100% null, noone can consider that alignment indicative. So it only means Fidei HAS to think the red part is scummy (that cancels the townread he otherwise should have). And it makes no sense given that it is EXACTLY the same thing he gives townpoints to mderg. I wouldn't fault anyone for not scumreading NM, tbh he looked one of the most townie players in the game, at least for me. Kmatt was like... umm.. i don't remember much he posted, but i think he could have been caught aswell. I was just wondering why people let go of the scumread on Fidei (namely the people who wanted to lynch him on D1). Hell Onegu's whole filter is yelling "Fidei scumslipped" and while i think it's kind of a ridiculous to assume he in fact did (regardless of it is true or not -- you are never gonna convince anyone with that kinda case), it's even more ridiculous that he completely stopped pushing Fidei after D1 -- i would have probably lynched Onegu myself after that.
Oh, Fidei was the one with 5 null reads at the end of D1? I remembered someone did this, but couldn't remember who. I agree that he should have been pushed/voted incredibly hard for this.
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On January 07 2016 16:52 GiygaS wrote:
Don't worry geript, now you come out of it thinking I'm somewhat decent at this game instead of utter garbage ^.^
@GiygaS:
Don't be too hard on yourself. You had the right ideas in some cases and where like the only one really realizing that there was something really bad going on. But as I said, next game I want to see you having a bit more impact on the game and doing a bit more work, especially when you realize that something is off.
I wish you had tried to use your coaching QT a bit more though, but I can also understand if you where trying to learn the game on your own.
@geript
Yeah, no problem RL happens to the best of us and RL is good at having a bad timing. 
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kitaman27
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We could use a host for the next newbie game if anyone is interested. Otherwise, I'll put another one up in 2-3 weeks.
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On January 07 2016 23:51 kitaman27 wrote:
We could use a host for the next newbie game if anyone is interested. Otherwise, I'll put another one up in 2-3 weeks.
Urge to host 3 games at the same time rising.
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On January 07 2016 23:44 disformation wrote:@GiygaS: Don't be too hard on yourself. You had the right ideas in some cases and where like the only one really realizing that there was something really bad going on. But as I said, next game I want to see you having a bit more impact on the game and doing a bit more work, especially when you realize that something is off. I wish you had tried to use your coaching QT a bit more though, but I can also understand if you where trying to learn the game on your own.
Yeah you tried and it wasn't that bad tbh. If not anything else at least you didn't get mislynched and well... none of the townies had really good reads based on the outcome of the game so...
Also idk... have you played mafia elsewhere in the meantime? I remember you in some TL Mafia [insert number here] game ~2-3yrs ago.
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On January 07 2016 23:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 23:51 kitaman27 wrote:
We could use a host for the next newbie game if anyone is interested. Otherwise, I'll put another one up in 2-3 weeks. Urge to host 3 games at the same time rising.
I can co-host if someone puts the game up in like.. now.
I am not sure after three weeks if i have time for a couple of more weeks.
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