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mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 03 2016 18:46 GMT
#841
On January 04 2016 03:43 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 03:37 mderg wrote:
On January 04 2016 03:09 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 04 2016 02:17 mderg wrote:
kush, simple question: what makes you think I'm scum?


Why would I tell you? You aren't today's lynch. Telling you why you're scum at this point would be like giving you tips.

This makes me think you don't actually have a good reason to scumread me.


Let's just say my reason for scumreading you isn't going to be some big thing that makes people say "ah ha" and convinces them.

So it's a bad reason? Or nonexistent?
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 03 2016 18:46 GMT
#842
GB still not back? Guess it's time to set priorities...

##unvote
##vote GlowingBear
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 03 2016 18:46 GMT
#843
On January 04 2016 03:30 Fidei86 wrote:
I'm a bit concerned that nobody has really defended Onegu at all, but at this point if he's scum his scummates are probably trying to distance themselves from him. Also, GB is not the lynch today. I don't really like any of the points made against him.

##vote: Onegu


Can you read post 764 and get back to me?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 03 2016 18:49 GMT
#844
On January 04 2016 01:59 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 01:10 NocturneMage wrote:
On January 03 2016 22:48 nooniansoong wrote:
Shape mderg onegu is my scumteam. So we basically agree nm.


No, not quite. It's possible I could be wrong somewhere, but my mind is right now Shape, Onegu, GB, with the latter two atm double bussing. Both need town cred, so the scum motivation makes sense, and so does the town motivation, but independent of associative reads, I have reasoning to scumread them both.

I thought mderg's last posts against GlowingBear were towny as it pointed out a discrepancy in prioritising his vote against what his sentiment was.

I know why you are reading mderg as scum fundamentally but what am I missing here? Meta? Should I hit the database then?


Mdergs point against gb was so obvious he doesn't get townpoints for that. Put your self in scums place. Would you think to jump on that post from gb? Of course.


Two questions:

(1) What makes mderg's actions exclusively mafia? When I skimmed GB's filter, you can see where GlowingBear expresses sentiment against mderg (confident we are hitting mafia) and an argument against Onegu where Onegu is exclusively mafia ("he cannot possibly believe what he is saying") so how can you eliminate either alignment looking at this and coming to the same conclusion? Am I making sense?

(2) The flip side to this question - why do you think GlowingBear is town?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 03 2016 18:49 GMT
#845
On January 04 2016 03:30 Fidei86 wrote:
I'm a bit concerned that nobody has really defended Onegu at all, but at this point if he's scum his scummates are probably trying to distance themselves from him. Also, GB is not the lynch today. I don't really like any of the points made against him.

##vote: Onegu


There's no reason to defend him.
Take my scumteam...
Shape is MIA.
Mderg said he's probably town.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 03 2016 18:51 GMT
#846
Or Noon, are you saying reading the filter is so obvious to come to that conclusion that he shouldn't get the townpoints? If true, then so.... But then that still poses the question - how do you arrive at any other conclusion?

Like if there's some metaread on mderg you have, that's great, but not having played with this person I don't really understand other than your surface level argument "he's looking town, but not acting in the best interests of town", that I get, but I'm trying to separate that argument from what you just said.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 03 2016 18:53 GMT
#847
On January 04 2016 03:49 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 01:59 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 04 2016 01:10 NocturneMage wrote:
On January 03 2016 22:48 nooniansoong wrote:
Shape mderg onegu is my scumteam. So we basically agree nm.


No, not quite. It's possible I could be wrong somewhere, but my mind is right now Shape, Onegu, GB, with the latter two atm double bussing. Both need town cred, so the scum motivation makes sense, and so does the town motivation, but independent of associative reads, I have reasoning to scumread them both.

I thought mderg's last posts against GlowingBear were towny as it pointed out a discrepancy in prioritising his vote against what his sentiment was.

I know why you are reading mderg as scum fundamentally but what am I missing here? Meta? Should I hit the database then?


Mdergs point against gb was so obvious he doesn't get townpoints for that. Put your self in scums place. Would you think to jump on that post from gb? Of course.


Two questions:

(1) What makes mderg's actions exclusively mafia? When I skimmed GB's filter, you can see where GlowingBear expresses sentiment against mderg (confident we are hitting mafia) and an argument against Onegu where Onegu is exclusively mafia ("he cannot possibly believe what he is saying") so how can you eliminate either alignment looking at this and coming to the same conclusion? Am I making sense?

(2) The flip side to this question - why do you think GlowingBear is town?


My scumhunting method is this: I try to townread a player, and if I can't, I assume they're scum. It makes it hard to be convincing but I think it's the most reliable way to find scum.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 03 2016 18:57 GMT
#848
Next thing I'll do is take a look at GB's filter and try to convince people he's town (if I still believe that myself)
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 03 2016 18:58 GMT
#849
Your arguments so far against mderg is basically saying that he's towny on the surface. Let me read his filter again in entirety.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 03 2016 18:58 GMT
#850
And your read on mderg is NOT a meta read, correct? If it is, then I will also check his games from the database.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 03 2016 19:02 GMT
#851
On January 04 2016 03:58 NocturneMage wrote:
And your read on mderg is NOT a meta read, correct? If it is, then I will also check his games from the database.


It's not a metaread. I did check out two of his scum games from the database. And I found a similar depth to his scumreads on those games.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2016 19:02 GMT
#852
Vote Count - Day 2


GlowingBear (4): Kmatt, Onegu, mderg, NocturneMage
Onegu (3): GlowingBear, nooniansoong, NocturneMage, Fidei86
GiygaS (0) GlowingBear

Not Voting (3): Shapelog, The Shining, GiygaS

At this time, GlowingBear is slated to be lynched.
Day 1 ends in on Sunday, Jan 03 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.

NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 03 2016 19:09 GMT
#853
Page 1 of mderg's filter could come from either alignment. Mostly one-liners, indicates someone conversational, again either alignment. The scumread on you from him makes sense - if he's not familiar with your play (????) then it makes sense for him to call you hypocritical for calling a lynch when you don't play until d2.

From a scum motivation however, post 323 can be seen - you cannot expect someone to solve the game day 1. From a town motivation though you can also say that you aren't working towards finding a proper scum lynch.

The way I see it for my own standards is that if you cannot find a good lynch or compromise on a lynch early enough in the cycle THEN you go for the policy lynch.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
January 03 2016 19:09 GMT
#854
Hi
This is shapelogs girlfriend.

My Bf is in the ER again and has to get another surgery. He asked me to ask for a /replace or whatever that is.

Where do i do this at?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 03 2016 19:10 GMT
#855
I honestly cannot figure out who I want to lynch today. I was so sure on kmatt until that megapost. Going to go over GB and Onegu's filters and the cases on them one more time, as it seems like the lynch will be one of those two.
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
January 03 2016 19:10 GMT
#856
On January 04 2016 04:09 Shapelog wrote:
Hi
This is shapelogs girlfriend.

My Bf is in the ER again and has to get another surgery. He asked me to ask for a /replace or whatever that is.

Where do i do this at?

D: get well soon shape
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 03 2016 19:12 GMT
#857
On January 04 2016 04:09 Shapelog wrote:
Hi
This is shapelogs girlfriend.

My Bf is in the ER again and has to get another surgery. He asked me to ask for a /replace or whatever that is.

Where do i do this at?


Damn, I'm really sorry to hear about this. Give him our regards so he recovers quick. You need to PM Kita.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2016 19:13 GMT
#858
On January 04 2016 04:09 Shapelog wrote:
Hi
This is shapelogs girlfriend.

My Bf is in the ER again and has to get another surgery. He asked me to ask for a /replace or whatever that is.

Where do i do this at?


I have notified the main host of this game kitaman27.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 03 2016 19:15 GMT
#859
On January 04 2016 04:10 GiygaS wrote:
I honestly cannot figure out who I want to lynch today. I was so sure on kmatt until that megapost. Going to go over GB and Onegu's filters and the cases on them one more time, as it seems like the lynch will be one of those two.


Even more confounding is both players have voted the other but have completely AFKed.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
January 03 2016 19:15 GMT
#860
On January 04 2016 04:12 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 04:09 Shapelog wrote:
Hi
This is shapelogs girlfriend.

My Bf is in the ER again and has to get another surgery. He asked me to ask for a /replace or whatever that is.

Where do i do this at?


Damn, I'm really sorry to hear about this. Give him our regards so he recovers quick. You need to PM Kita.


Just found his PM he sent earlier.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
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