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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote: Kmatt I had him as mafia, then I reevaluated and thought he might be town (after talking to kush), then he voted me using a very poor reasoning to do so. He is null but very close to scum GB can you explain why you initially though kmatt was mafia. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On January 04 2016 04:09 NocturneMage wrote: Page 1 of mderg's filter could come from either alignment. Mostly one-liners, indicates someone conversational, again either alignment. The scumread on you from him makes sense - if he's not familiar with your play (????) then it makes sense for him to call you hypocritical for calling a lynch when you don't play until d2. From a scum motivation however, post 323 can be seen - you cannot expect someone to solve the game day 1. From a town motivation though you can also say that you aren't working towards finding a proper scum lynch. The way I see it for my own standards is that if you cannot find a good lynch or compromise on a lynch early enough in the cycle THEN you go for the policy lynch. To add to this, checking timestamps it appears you called for the policy lynch fairly early in the cycle. On the flipside, mderg has made some reads/leans day 1. Nothing unusual either way, most players day 1 and early on aren't going to be substantial, just because it's day 1. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On January 04 2016 04:19 Shapelog wrote: Is there anything else i have to do for him? No, kita should handle the rest. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5185 Posts
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
If I had to think about it deeper he does ask GigyaS some questions, but I'm not sure if they go anywhere now that I think about it... ....page 3... | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
Post I'm referring to: + Show Spoiler + On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote: Cool I've finished catching up. town Fidei NocturneMage Irishbound (the way these three are engaging the thread looks like townies trying to solve the game. They see posts, they react, they go after information to further investigate people's alignment) Kush (I've played games with kush before and as mafia he really doesn't care, and he seems to care here. He is here, he is commenting stuff. It's a read mostly based on meta, tho) Shapelog (my weakest townread. I think his excitement to play is genuine, but the way he is engaging the thread is a little more passive than I expect from a townie. His opinions aren't firm. So I think he is townie but I have an eye open regarding him) Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town) TheCow is null because I have no idea what his posts are actually after, but I think the formatting is SO SO CUUUUTE Kmatt I had him as mafia, then I reevaluated and thought he might be town (after talking to kush), then he voted me using a very poor reasoning to do so. He is null but very close to scum mafia mderg (no original thoughts. the guy is just following the thread and rarely putting any original thoughts on the thread. Throw suspicions without going after it, like he did talking about me and kush avoiding each otherm and simply isn't caring for actually uncovering people's alignment) Onegu (Meta: he is too invested in the game) (Evidence: calls fidei out for a dumb reason as a scumslip, saying Fidei is mafia for saying Onegu is a mislynch. This is bad, but the greatest problem isn't that this is a bad reason to jump on someone. It's because one of Shapelog's first post was this [spoiler][/spoiler] but he never suspects Shapelog for TMI - Too Much Insight) | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On January 04 2016 01:50 Kmatt wrote: I would probably start looking into Noon more before placing that vote. The Onegu train seems to be going strong but I haven't been sold on him, while I have been picking up on that connection between GB and Noon. Admittedly with my hunt for GB I haven't been scrutinizing other players more and I ought to go do some more reading on the rest of the thread. On that note, where is Shape? His sudden disappearance following the first night kill is rather suspicious. I can understand being out for New Year's, but it's been two full days now. I think I'm gonna have to join you on that scumread you have for him. Fair enough, seems like a few people hadn't been either. I understand the latter point, but what makes you hesitant on Onegu specifically? | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On January 04 2016 04:27 GiygaS wrote: Going over it again I really don't like how kmatt ignored GB's probably most substantial post despite going over pretty much every other one when most of his case relies on painting GB as someone who's just shitposting and questioning people. Post I'm referring to: + Show Spoiler + On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote: Cool I've finished catching up. town Fidei NocturneMage Irishbound (the way these three are engaging the thread looks like townies trying to solve the game. They see posts, they react, they go after information to further investigate people's alignment) Kush (I've played games with kush before and as mafia he really doesn't care, and he seems to care here. He is here, he is commenting stuff. It's a read mostly based on meta, tho) Shapelog (my weakest townread. I think his excitement to play is genuine, but the way he is engaging the thread is a little more passive than I expect from a townie. His opinions aren't firm. So I think he is townie but I have an eye open regarding him) Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town) TheCow is null because I have no idea what his posts are actually after, but I think the formatting is SO SO CUUUUTE Kmatt I had him as mafia, then I reevaluated and thought he might be town (after talking to kush), then he voted me using a very poor reasoning to do so. He is null but very close to scum mafia mderg (no original thoughts. the guy is just following the thread and rarely putting any original thoughts on the thread. Throw suspicions without going after it, like he did talking about me and kush avoiding each otherm and simply isn't caring for actually uncovering people's alignment) Onegu (Meta: he is too invested in the game) (Evidence: calls fidei out for a dumb reason as a scumslip, saying Fidei is mafia for saying Onegu is a mislynch. This is bad, but the greatest problem isn't that this is a bad reason to jump on someone. It's because one of Shapelog's first post was this [spoiler][/spoiler] but he never suspects Shapelog for TMI - Too Much Insight) Trying to see it from his point of view - a total newbie, the focus of the case, and the fact he's stated numerous examples to support his case. I have some ideas from that perspective as to why he may have ignored this - but I think it's town's best interest to see what he has to say as to his focus. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On January 04 2016 04:13 disformation wrote: I have notified the main host of this game kitaman27. You've just confirmed shape as town :/ | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
I've went against every single point you've wrote. You decided I'm Mafia because I didn't come back earlier. Is that all? | ||
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Kmatt
United States1019 Posts
On January 04 2016 04:27 GiygaS wrote: Going over it again I really don't like how kmatt ignored GB's probably most substantial post despite going over pretty much every other one when most of his case relies on painting GB as someone who's just shitposting and questioning people. Post I'm referring to: + Show Spoiler + On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote: Cool I've finished catching up. town Fidei NocturneMage Irishbound (the way these three are engaging the thread looks like townies trying to solve the game. They see posts, they react, they go after information to further investigate people's alignment) Kush (I've played games with kush before and as mafia he really doesn't care, and he seems to care here. He is here, he is commenting stuff. It's a read mostly based on meta, tho) Shapelog (my weakest townread. I think his excitement to play is genuine, but the way he is engaging the thread is a little more passive than I expect from a townie. His opinions aren't firm. So I think he is townie but I have an eye open regarding him) Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town) TheCow is null because I have no idea what his posts are actually after, but I think the formatting is SO SO CUUUUTE Kmatt I had him as mafia, then I reevaluated and thought he might be town (after talking to kush), then he voted me using a very poor reasoning to do so. He is null but very close to scum mafia mderg (no original thoughts. the guy is just following the thread and rarely putting any original thoughts on the thread. Throw suspicions without going after it, like he did talking about me and kush avoiding each otherm and simply isn't caring for actually uncovering people's alignment) Onegu (Meta: he is too invested in the game) (Evidence: calls fidei out for a dumb reason as a scumslip, saying Fidei is mafia for saying Onegu is a mislynch. This is bad, but the greatest problem isn't that this is a bad reason to jump on someone. It's because one of Shapelog's first post was this [spoiler][/spoiler] but he never suspects Shapelog for TMI - Too Much Insight) I was trying to wrap up that post so I only included the two entries on myself and Scott that had do with the point I was making. Nothing in that post did anything to convince me he was town anyway. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On January 04 2016 04:53 GlowingBear wrote: You've just confirmed shape as town :/ How in the world does notifying main host confirm shape as town. | ||
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Kmatt
United States1019 Posts
On January 04 2016 05:02 GiygaS wrote: How in the world does notifying main host confirm shape as town. My guess would be that they would have contacted him through the mafia private chat had it been available for him. Then again, we didn't see the public post for TheCow, so even if this somehow confirms ShapeLog, that would simultaneously condemn The Shining. The most likely case is that Ms. Shapelog was only instructed to post in the thread. It would have also made sense to let us know about him going for the operation publicly as an explanation for his lack of activity. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On January 04 2016 05:02 Kmatt wrote: I was trying to wrap up that post so I only included the two entries on myself and Scott that had do with the point I was making. Nothing in that post did anything to convince me he was town anyway. I would agree with this if you also included his mderg "read". I can see you ignoring it though as it wasn't particularly substantial. I think I'm going to vote GB, the case seems to hold up. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On January 04 2016 05:08 Kmatt wrote: My guess would be that they would have contacted him through the mafia private chat had it been available for him. Then again, we didn't see the public post for TheCow, so even if this somehow confirms ShapeLog, that would simultaneously condemn The Shining. The most likely case is that Ms. Shapelog was only instructed to post in the thread. It would have also made sense to let us know about him going for the operation publicly as an explanation for his lack of activity. The blue post was clearly made to alert Ms. Shape to him being made aware, does nothing to show that either player is or isn't scum. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
##vote GB | ||
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Kmatt
United States1019 Posts
On January 04 2016 05:10 GiygaS wrote: The blue post was clearly made to alert Ms. Shape to him being made aware, does nothing to show that either player is or isn't scum. That's what I meant, he probably didn't feel the need to inform her of mafia chat (if he was in it), and since she was in the thread it makes sense to post directly at her. | ||
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