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nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
December 30 2015 22:01 GMT
#634
i so called it.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
December 31 2015 01:50 GMT
#649
On December 31 2015 10:40 Irishbound wrote:
Oh fuck sake, not what I wanted to see on my lunch break.

Going to try and use the next 48 hours to reread and reasses.


what does that do to your 60% statistic?
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
December 31 2015 11:55 GMT
#651
I find it strange that shape was involved in an almost d1 mislynch of me in nutcracker, but he had no qualms about voting me here
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
December 31 2015 14:09 GMT
#655
On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Onegu
(Meta: he is too invested in the game) (Evidence: calls fidei out for a dumb reason as a scumslip, saying Fidei is mafia for saying Onegu is a mislynch. This is bad, but the greatest problem isn't that this is a bad reason to jump on someone. It's because one of Shapelog's first post was this [spoiler]
On December 29 2015 07:06 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 07:05 scott31337 wrote:
On December 29 2015 07:04 nooniansoong wrote:
On December 29 2015 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I wanted to be blue so much


it's so anti-town to claim vt


I agree with the stone man here. Haven't you learned yet Bear?

He might need another mislynch......
[/spoiler] but he never suspects Shapelog for TMI - Too Much Insight)



Meta is only one part of his case. Onegu, I don't think you can be suspicious of him for not knowing you as well as you know yourself.

As for the rest of the case, I agree with GB. Shape's scumslip seems scummier than fidei's. Onegu, did you not read that, did you miss it, or do you disagree?
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
December 31 2015 14:11 GMT
#656
Just to clarify the context:
GB was mislynched d1 in Nutcracker.
Shape was joke threatening him with "another mislynch."
Why does he assume it will be a mislynch this time?
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
December 31 2015 14:17 GMT
#657
@GB if you think the scumslip is a legitimate why do you have a weak townread on shape?
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
December 31 2015 14:45 GMT
#660
GB where did he say "then shape is mafia too"
he said he doesn't read shape. Do you think he's lying? I can understand him not reading shape.

ONEGU is shape mafia too due to the scumslip?
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
December 31 2015 14:55 GMT
#661
ok gb i found it. he says "then shape scumslipped too" but he doesn't say if he thinks shape is mafia or not.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
December 31 2015 15:11 GMT
#664
On December 31 2015 23:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2015 23:55 nooniansoong wrote:
ok gb i found it. he says "then shape scumslipped too" but he doesn't say if he thinks shape is mafia or not.


Kush ROFL if someone says "HE SCUM SLIPPED TOOL they are calling the guy Mafia.

LMAO are you high right now?


I haven't smoked weed for several months now. My job drug tests so I had to quit. Weed is magical but it is also very addictive for me. In some ways I'm glad I stopped, but I still miss it. Now I just drink a lot instead.

Shape is known to spam, so he could have chosen to ignore shape before reading his first posts.
Although I think a more townie approach would be to read shape until a townread could be formed, and only then start ignoring him.

I am interested in how Onegu clarifies his feelings towards Shape, given the scumslip.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
December 31 2015 15:52 GMT
#668
On January 01 2016 00:46 Onegu wrote:
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On December 31 2015 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 31 2015 23:45 nooniansoong wrote:
GB where did he say "then shape is mafia too"
he said he doesn't read shape. Do you think he's lying? I can understand him not reading shape.

ONEGU is shape mafia too due to the scumslip?


Yes I beliebe he is lying. it's one of the first posts in the game. He can decide to not read him after some time but I doubt he didn't read the very first posts of everyone if he really started to read the thread.

Anyway, after I quoted it, Onegu just called the guy Mafia but quickly forgets about him



Havent forgot him.


He is prolly scum but the way fword dude has his list and then puts it in makes it much more of a scum slip. Did I ever tell you about the time I caught rayn in a scum slip.


Onegu why does having a scumslip in a list make it more of a scumslip?
Fidei was talking about a situation in which you were hypothetically town. Not necessarily this game but just playing with you in general.
Shape was talking about this game.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 01 2016 01:44 GMT
#674
is it new years eve in Brazil lol... give the hosts a break
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 01 2016 04:56 GMT
#682
happy new years all. good to have you back shape.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 01 2016 06:07 GMT
#696
Kinda drunk. not gonna be a very good post but here goes.
scum is in irish gigyas mderg onegu.
I've given varying degrees of townreads to everyone else.

Irish seems like a dude who would make a very townie looking scum. I find the reasoning behind his scumreads/townreads to be unbelievable. I know a statement like that is worthless without backing it up with specifics but that's not happening right now. If he dies, which he very well might if he's town, then that would be work wasted if I post reasons now.

gigyas. all honesty i can't read this guy for shit. He seems scummy to be even when he's town. Dunno but his play seems like it has no creative thought behind it or anything to indicate towniness. No offense gigas I didn't mean that as an insult.

mderg. Always taking the side of you'd think the townie would take: Hard against policy lynches for example. Seems like an upright citizen townie, but his towniness is very surface level.

onegu- really wasn't satisfied with his respond to GB's recent questioning of him. Nothing townie in his filter. Looks like he found something he could call a scumslip then relied on that for a reasoning behind his vote. With no thought to "is it really a scumslip?" "did shape scumslip as well?" etc.


These reads are all pretty shit. I'll verify them and stress them out during d2.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 01 2016 06:14 GMT
#697
On January 01 2016 14:59 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2015 06:56 nooniansoong wrote:
On December 31 2015 03:25 nooniansoong wrote:
lemme summarize reasoning for voting fidei real quick.
Several posts that are long and have nothign to do with scumhunting. Talking about past games, talking about the virtues of policy lynches, etc.
In his big reads post, his scumreads are summaries of me and gigas' play put into a scummy light. He latches on to some of my trolly posts and doesn't stop to think "why would scum make such overtly scummy posts"?

On December 30 2015 23:27 Fidei86 wrote:Scum

Gigya - He has a filter almost totally devoid of reads. His one TR is Irish (#214) but at the same time in his post at #192 he actually says that as Irish is experienced, the post could have been faked. ???. He also suspects GB for his "matter of fact town read", even though he agrees with it? The only thing keeping this from moving into policy is that he has a couple of posts where he talks about non-game stuff (#225, #228). If you have time to do that, you have time to play as well. This is how newbie mafia play, imo.

Noon/Kush - This whole filter makes me want to facepalm. He TRs Scott for saying he could "possibly jump" on someone else's read. WTF? I just don't understand this read at all - mafia are the ones who are going to hedge and give weak reads, not town. He then goes into a day-long "woe is me, D1 is so hard" stupor, which is (a) totally destructive to town, and (b) effective at hiding his thoughts on the game. Having said that, he then seems to basically mindlessly sheep GB onto his read onto Kmatt. I also don't follow his point about NM and KMatt whiteknighting, since a bunch of other people also came into the thread to say that timestamp analysis wasn't helpful. He then also prods a bunch of people into giving reads, despite the fact that he himself has given almost no content.
##Vote -- Gigya




Looking at this case - the Onegu bashing/policy lynches is something Fidei has done as both alignments and in pre and post-games. So to me that is NAI.

Regarding the reads on GigyaS, "a filter that is almost entirely devoid of reads".....for someone that has been relatively inactive that could go either way. The bolded that I have for GigyaS read looks reasonable enough to scum for unless you are arguing that he's taking those posts out of context in which case I will go back and mark those pages to read around the filters.

The Noon read is actually slightly more concerning to me because the "possibly jump" part I think you even disclaimed that it was a shitty read/criteria (paraphrasing) and it would seem to me that mafia would try and hide that.

"Woe is me/Day 1".....I remember you getting off a great scumread in Dark Tournament on the player both DoYouHas and myself eventually got lynched (Half the Sky) and considering Fidei was also in that game - I replaced in, so I know -, do you think it's completely unreasonable for him to scumread you when you were clearly more productive in that game, contrasting to here where you go for the straight policy lynch?

Sheeping GB onto KMatt? Wait.....didn't you argue against that? Or at least accuse GB of misinterpreting?


You realize I was mislynched d1 in dark tournament.. so I couldn't have been that productive lol.
I didn't sheep GB onto Kmatt. Actually I townread him eventually. Right then I did I quick read of his filter and understood how someone could think it would be scummy. I was interested in if GB had any not obvious idea of why Kmatt was scummy. That would give me a townread on GB. If someone has a scumread based on reasoning I find interesting or didn't think of, I townread them for that usually.
GB's scumread was actually not really different from the reasonings I was expecting. Although I later townread GB for other reasons. Specifically his scumslip point against Onegu (and other stuff maybe? dont remember).

I hope you can read this post lol. Gnight now.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 01 2016 14:52 GMT
#698
On December 31 2015 04:18 GiygaS wrote:
Just want to say I'm still reading. There's a lot. As of post 443 I'd lynch scott (for basically everyone else's posts on him plus his weird last post, he still hasn't shown up even though he had very good irl reasons to be available), kmatt (his lynch target on me seems like parrotting other players, among other things), and gb in that order


How was kmatt parroting?
He voted for gb who has no other votes...

How is paroting lynch target Scummy? It's called consolidation. In this post you say you would lynch Scott for everyone else's posts. Isn't that parroting lynch targets?
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 01 2016 18:12 GMT
#708
On January 02 2016 02:33 GiygaS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2016 23:52 nooniansoong wrote:
On December 31 2015 04:18 GiygaS wrote:
Just want to say I'm still reading. There's a lot. As of post 443 I'd lynch scott (for basically everyone else's posts on him plus his weird last post, he still hasn't shown up even though he had very good irl reasons to be available), kmatt (his lynch target on me seems like parrotting other players, among other things), and gb in that order


How was kmatt parroting?
He voted for gb who has no other votes...

How is paroting lynch target Scummy? It's called consolidation. In this post you say you would lynch Scott for everyone else's posts. Isn't that parroting lynch targets?

Also you directly contradict yourself in this post. You can't call it consolidation if he's the first one to vote for that person.

I was saying parroting happens all the time under the guise of consolidation. I wanted to know what you thought was scummy in particular about kmatts parroting.

You and fidei make some good points against kmatt.
1 he presented other peoples reads to make his vote seem townier
2 his reads/votes were all over the place
3 voting gb because he's dangerous Without clarifying what that meant

I'll look at kmatt again later. And you two have gained townpoints in my eyes.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 01 2016 18:26 GMT
#712
I mean yeah the thinking behind that is not sound but a lot of those thoughts are common from newbs
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 01 2016 22:12 GMT
#717
I was hoping that would happen
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 01 2016 22:18 GMT
#718
On January 02 2016 03:27 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2016 15:07 nooniansoong wrote:
Kinda drunk. not gonna be a very good post but here goes.
scum is in irish gigyas mderg onegu.
I've given varying degrees of townreads to everyone else.

Irish seems like a dude who would make a very townie looking scum. I find the reasoning behind his scumreads/townreads to be unbelievable. I know a statement like that is worthless without backing it up with specifics but that's not happening right now. If he dies, which he very well might if he's town, then that would be work wasted if I post reasons now.

gigyas. all honesty i can't read this guy for shit. He seems scummy to be even when he's town. Dunno but his play seems like it has no creative thought behind it or anything to indicate towniness. No offense gigas I didn't mean that as an insult.

mderg. Always taking the side of you'd think the townie would take: Hard against policy lynches for example. Seems like an upright citizen townie, but his towniness is very surface level.

onegu- really wasn't satisfied with his respond to GB's recent questioning of him. Nothing townie in his filter. Looks like he found something he could call a scumslip then relied on that for a reasoning behind his vote. With no thought to "is it really a scumslip?" "did shape scumslip as well?" etc.


These reads are all pretty shit. I'll verify them and stress them out during d2.

Now that you're probably not drunk anymore can you get into more detail on these reads?


well I gotta put some work in before I can clarify,
1 I have a pretty confident townread on Irish at this point lol.
2 Gigyas is leaning town because his thoughts about kmatt make sense to me.
3 Mderg, still have to filter, but just from PoE I'm hoping I find his filter scummy.
4 onegu. nothing there to make me lean townie. Very little actual content.

Anyway looks like someone I towned is actually scum sigh. Not sure who yet.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 02 2016 14:30 GMT
#726
Do not clap for a wall of text lol.
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