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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 30 2015 21:01 GMT
#581
Vote Count - Day 1


scott31337 (4): Irishbound, NocturneMage, mderg, GiygaS
GiygaS (2): Kmatt, scott31337, Fidei86
Fidei86 (2: Onegu, nooniansoong
Kmatt (2): TheCow, GlowingBear
nooniansoong (1): Shapelog
GlowingBear (1): Kmatt
Onegu (0): nooniansoong

At this time, scott31337 is slated to be lynched.
Day 1 ends in on Wednesday, Dec 30 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
December 30 2015 21:01 GMT
#582
On December 31 2015 05:33 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2015 03:54 Irishbound wrote:
On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town)


Fair warning but if we lynch Scott today and he flips mafia like I expect he will then I'll probably voting you for this, the sheer amount you've now defended him and made it less likely that he gets lynched is baffling given your read on him. It makes no sense as a stance whatsoever and really does ignore what the issues with him really are, sure he his lesser activity may fall under his meta, him town reading Noon for the reasoning he does doesn't though and him calling me town due to being a "newb" similarly doesn't make sense.

I'd say scott flipping town would make GB look worse. Strongly defending a townie based on nothing just screams too much information.




Well that CPR class took longer then I thought it would - but anyone have any questions for me?

My reads -

1) Kmatt - Shows some decent thoughts that I like - expresses thoughts - and the post I noted before - townlean
2) Shapelog - 6 page filter- def. not lynching today
3) TheCow - Makes a "case" on Kmatt which I don't care for - hasn't done much since, scumlean/could lynch
4) Irishbound - Wants me dead, wants Onegu dead - we're both town/mislynches (Pretty sure Onegu town) - scumlean
5) GiygaS - filter worse than mine - would lynch
6) NocturneMage - Wants me dead just not as badly - Doesn't look like his scum meta (unless he's been learning!) - townlean
7) Fidei86 - His list post is pretty decent - wouldn't lynch today - but not super solid townlean either.
8) mderg - Lots of one liners and questions - was honest about my filter when re-reading it though but still votes me - I dont feel so OMGUS'y on him like I do Irish though. There are better lynches for today.
9) GlowingBear - He's a little too calm - but I still think he's town
10) Onegu - Started barf VT claim town Onegu day 1 meta - dont lynch
11) nooniansoong - Defended me when the thread is after me, but I don't think it's a pocket.

I know most of you haven't played with Onegu much - but I'm pretty sure he's town - and he's good at figuring out the mafia after a couple of days - he may not be a big poster - but he's valuable if not sick.

I'm still happy with my Giygas vote at the moment - theCow or Irish would be fine too.


THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 30 2015 21:01 GMT
#583
Approximately 1 hour remains in the cycle.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
December 30 2015 21:02 GMT
#584
On December 31 2015 06:00 GiygaS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2015 05:56 mderg wrote:
On December 31 2015 05:53 GiygaS wrote:
On December 31 2015 05:44 mderg wrote:
On December 31 2015 04:51 GiygaS wrote:
Still have a scumread on kmatt, just not as strong as scott. Was going to vote scott after reading, but I didn't really have a read on you in any direction so I want to go over your filter as there's interest on you. GB changed because he was already dropping and his posts seem like he's concerned about this out, mostly a feeling thing tbh.

After reading your filter, you seem to be towny. So yeah, I'm going to vote scott.

##Vote scott

WHat does make Fidei seem towny, please elaborate.

The fact he reread the entire thread to make reads.

That's not something I'd base a townread on

Really? Why not? Why would a mafia reread thread to make reads?


To look useful and survive.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
December 30 2015 21:04 GMT
#585
On December 31 2015 04:58 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2015 04:41 Fidei86 wrote:
And yes, I'm keeping Onegu in there because coming into the thread, admitting you haven't read one of your scum reads and then continuing to push me HAVING PREVIOUSLY BEEN ESSENTIALLY JOKE VOTING FOR ME is in no way a townie progression.



Why not. I found a scumslip. That makes you scum. Yes at first was a joke post but now I know you are scum.


How sure are ya buddy?
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
December 30 2015 21:05 GMT
#586
On December 31 2015 05:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2015 05:17 mderg wrote:
On December 31 2015 02:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 31 2015 02:41 nooniansoong wrote:
GB you are oversimplifying how townies think.
Sometimes town are wishy washy because they don't know what something means.

wishy washy - could be town honesty about not knowing what something means or it could be scum keeping their options open.


Kush, if you see something as scummy, you say the guy is probably town because there is a 8/11 chance of the guy being town? If we think like that we won't lynch anyone.

Then after some point he says that my post stood out but it doesn't mean I'm from any alignment? Kush, again, if something stands out, it stands out for either alignment. Standing out = alignment indicative posts. Doesn't stand out = NAI.

You can add to that that he was just commenting on this and posting about starcraft in the thread. He is not committed into scumhunting. You do understand what I'm saying, right?

So your main point on Kmatt is the lack of commitment to his read on you? I fail to see how that's enough to justify a lynch D1.


That's not my point anymore

My point is that Giygas is his main scumread and was the second wagon to scott. He started saying that I was fishy but then said it didn't influence my alignment. He proceeded to drop his scumread on me.

Then he suddenly decides I'm a "dangerous player" (? what does this even mean) and that scott's flip won't reveal much information. Instead of convincing people to vote his main scumread (who was the opposite wagon at that time), he decided to vote me. Which doesn't make sense because:

1) He said my "fishiness" couldn't reveal anything from my alignment, so his suspicions on me were weaker than the suspicions on Giygas
2) He DROPPED his scumread on me
3) If the problem is that scott's wagon won't reveal any information, he should rather lynch his main scumread because it at least is the most probable wagon to flip instead of mine.

That definitely makes more sense. I can understand why he would call you a "more dangerous player", though. But his vote comes off as strange.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
December 30 2015 21:06 GMT
#587
On December 31 2015 06:00 GiygaS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2015 05:56 mderg wrote:
On December 31 2015 05:53 GiygaS wrote:
On December 31 2015 05:44 mderg wrote:
On December 31 2015 04:51 GiygaS wrote:
Still have a scumread on kmatt, just not as strong as scott. Was going to vote scott after reading, but I didn't really have a read on you in any direction so I want to go over your filter as there's interest on you. GB changed because he was already dropping and his posts seem like he's concerned about this out, mostly a feeling thing tbh.

After reading your filter, you seem to be towny. So yeah, I'm going to vote scott.

##Vote scott

WHat does make Fidei seem towny, please elaborate.

The fact he reread the entire thread to make reads.

That's not something I'd base a townread on

Really? Why not? Why would a mafia reread thread to make reads?

I always reread the thread at some points during the game. Doesn't matter what my alignment is.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
December 30 2015 21:08 GMT
#588
On December 31 2015 06:04 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2015 04:58 Onegu wrote:
On December 31 2015 04:41 Fidei86 wrote:
And yes, I'm keeping Onegu in there because coming into the thread, admitting you haven't read one of your scum reads and then continuing to push me HAVING PREVIOUSLY BEEN ESSENTIALLY JOKE VOTING FOR ME is in no way a townie progression.



Why not. I found a scumslip. That makes you scum. Yes at first was a joke post but now I know you are scum.


How sure are ya buddy?


I re-read your filter and the slip you are referring to - hmmmmm I mean it's a possibility (but I mean I kind of used the same words too, I'm pretty sure you'd be a ML too-but I know I'm town.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 30 2015 21:09 GMT
#589
Have my laptop, here we go. Reading simultaneously from page 22.

Scott, I have questions for you. First your scumread on GigyaS.

(1) His third post admitting his joke was forced and admitting he didn't know what to say. (post 214/218) Why does that come from scum?
(2) He has posted and made reads since. You are saying his filter is (still presumably) worse than yours (worse as in less content? how?)

How is what he's done from your perspective scummy?

Admittedly I agree with mderg etc, moving Noon up at the time you did is a weak/poor defence, but I need to see what Noon's posted since. I'm not experienced enough (5th game on TL, 4 of which were newbies, and no other forum experience for those who don't know me) to know what a pocket is or what categorically qualifies as a pocket.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 30 2015 21:12 GMT
#590
I'm skimming through the scumslip argument on Fidei since enough of you are making a big deal on that. That is debatable 50/50 because given his apparent experience with Onegu you can see the context where that's coming from. If Fidei is mafia tbh, it's not (necessarily) for the scumslip, going to look closely at his list post and a few other things.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 30 2015 21:15 GMT
#591
Holy, I almost forgot TheCow was even in the game. Mind you I've been afk a bit myself. Last I recall he seemed towny for the way he tried to re-perspective KMatt. I thought his responses were satisfactory when we were all querying him last night.

Scott looking at your latest list post, why was the case poor? Is it because you are townreading KMatt or because you thought TheCow was legitimately making the case based on scummy and/or questionable points?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 30 2015 21:15 GMT
#592
Scott, vote Kmatt with me.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 30 2015 21:21 GMT
#593
ROFL I decided to give Diablo III another shot since a lot of people said it got better after some revamp

Conclusion: I can't understand how someone can respect a game when a class' main attack is THROWING JARS WITH SPIDERS ON PEOPLE
Or SUMMONING BELLS FROM THE HEAVENS AND SMASHING THEM ROFL
I'm adorable.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 30 2015 21:21 GMT
#594
On December 31 2015 06:01 scott31337 wrote:
4) Irishbound - Wants me dead, wants Onegu dead - we're both town/mislynches (Pretty sure Onegu town) - scumlean
5) GiygaS - filter worse than mine - would lynch
6) NocturneMage - Wants me dead just not as badly - Doesn't look like his scum meta (unless he's been learning!) - townlean
7) Fidei86 - His list post is pretty decent - wouldn't lynch today - but not super solid townlean either.
8) mderg - Lots of one liners and questions - was honest about my filter when re-reading it though but still votes me - I dont feel so OMGUS'y on him like I do Irish though. There are better lynches for today.
9) GlowingBear - He's a little too calm - but I still think he's town
10) Onegu - Started barf VT claim town Onegu day 1 meta - dont lynch
11) nooniansoong - Defended me when the thread is after me, but I don't think it's a pocket.


Can you differentiate what makes Irish scum for wanting you dead? I think both of us had similar grounds for your lynch. (You are townreading me.)

Was there a specific quote/case that jumped out as scummy?

I don't generally trust meta reads....can someone verify if Onegu does the VT claim thing as mafia?

Onegu was pure policy when I last afked. In skimming just now, aside from Fidei, he seemed to have a scumlean on GB, which looked reasonable to me given the non-engagement issues I had with him when I afked.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 30 2015 21:23 GMT
#595
On December 31 2015 06:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Scott, vote Kmatt with me.


Was there something new you had an issue with or was this the same stuff from last night? If it was the same stuff from last night, is it completely unfathomable from newbie town to do what he did? This is one key thing to me, that makes Cow more town than you - he's trying to frame the situation from one that is believeable from his perspective.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
December 30 2015 21:25 GMT
#596
On December 31 2015 06:21 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2015 06:01 scott31337 wrote:
4) Irishbound - Wants me dead, wants Onegu dead - we're both town/mislynches (Pretty sure Onegu town) - scumlean
5) GiygaS - filter worse than mine - would lynch
6) NocturneMage - Wants me dead just not as badly - Doesn't look like his scum meta (unless he's been learning!) - townlean
7) Fidei86 - His list post is pretty decent - wouldn't lynch today - but not super solid townlean either.
8) mderg - Lots of one liners and questions - was honest about my filter when re-reading it though but still votes me - I dont feel so OMGUS'y on him like I do Irish though. There are better lynches for today.
9) GlowingBear - He's a little too calm - but I still think he's town
10) Onegu - Started barf VT claim town Onegu day 1 meta - dont lynch
11) nooniansoong - Defended me when the thread is after me, but I don't think it's a pocket.


Can you differentiate what makes Irish scum for wanting you dead? I think both of us had similar grounds for your lynch. (You are townreading me.)

Was there a specific quote/case that jumped out as scummy?

I don't generally trust meta reads....can someone verify if Onegu does the VT claim thing as mafia?

Onegu was pure policy when I last afked. In skimming just now, aside from Fidei, he seemed to have a scumlean on GB, which looked reasonable to me given the non-engagement issues I had with him when I afked.



I have done it as mafia multiple times. I have done it as blue multiple times. I have done it as VT multiple times.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
December 30 2015 21:25 GMT
#597
I do it every game regardless of alignment.
Try TL Mafia!!!
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 30 2015 21:26 GMT
#598
On December 31 2015 06:21 GlowingBear wrote:
ROFL I decided to give Diablo III another shot since a lot of people said it got better after some revamp

Conclusion: I can't understand how someone can respect a game when a class' main attack is THROWING JARS WITH SPIDERS ON PEOPLE
Or SUMMONING BELLS FROM THE HEAVENS AND SMASHING THEM ROFL


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:D
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
December 30 2015 21:28 GMT
#599
On December 31 2015 06:25 Onegu wrote:
I do it every game regardless of alignment.

If you do something every game, it loses its meaning
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 30 2015 21:29 GMT
#600
On December 31 2015 06:25 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2015 06:21 NocturneMage wrote:
On December 31 2015 06:01 scott31337 wrote:
4) Irishbound - Wants me dead, wants Onegu dead - we're both town/mislynches (Pretty sure Onegu town) - scumlean
5) GiygaS - filter worse than mine - would lynch
6) NocturneMage - Wants me dead just not as badly - Doesn't look like his scum meta (unless he's been learning!) - townlean
7) Fidei86 - His list post is pretty decent - wouldn't lynch today - but not super solid townlean either.
8) mderg - Lots of one liners and questions - was honest about my filter when re-reading it though but still votes me - I dont feel so OMGUS'y on him like I do Irish though. There are better lynches for today.
9) GlowingBear - He's a little too calm - but I still think he's town
10) Onegu - Started barf VT claim town Onegu day 1 meta - dont lynch
11) nooniansoong - Defended me when the thread is after me, but I don't think it's a pocket.


Can you differentiate what makes Irish scum for wanting you dead? I think both of us had similar grounds for your lynch. (You are townreading me.)

Was there a specific quote/case that jumped out as scummy?

I don't generally trust meta reads....can someone verify if Onegu does the VT claim thing as mafia?

Onegu was pure policy when I last afked. In skimming just now, aside from Fidei, he seemed to have a scumlean on GB, which looked reasonable to me given the non-engagement issues I had with him when I afked.



I have done it as mafia multiple times. I have done it as blue multiple times. I have done it as VT multiple times.


If your explanation is true, then that's quite the rubbish meta explanation from Scott - that is, he's townreading you for a very bad reason.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
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