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Heading to work shortly but skimmed the thread and I'll try and get my thoughts down quickly.
I like the detail and analysis in Fideis big read post here, there are several reads I disagree with but I can follow most of his reasoning, I still think Mderg should qualify to be in his town section given what he stated and don't really like the placement/stance on Scott.
I hate not lynching someone because it doesn't give enough "information", that's one of my biggest pet peeves, you aim for scum, putting rules on what type of scum you're willing to lynch incentives lurking for scum.
Going to continue catching up.
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Strongly disagree with Fideis section on Onegu being a scum slip but I think Onegu believing it is one is probably a town tell.
Didn't like Noons reaction to Onegu at all in this post, felt like pandering to Onegu when it looks like the policy lynch won't occur - the fact his vote is still on him while stating all of this is even worse.
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Very very very very much want to lynch Scott, there's cookies for those who switch across, I really am confident he's scum here and those saying "he's too hard to tell", "he should be null" need to explain how they disagree with my reasoning. The fact that a lot of the people soft defending him fall inside my null/scum reads is good sign he's mafia too.
On December 31 2015 03:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm lynching Kmatt today and no one else.
And I'm not voting Kmatt, I can somewhat understand your point on him but I've also seen newbtown players weaken/pursue a read less as town because they're told by others that they don't agree with the read and that's what's happened here. His reasoning behind suspecting you DOES make sense.
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On December 30 2015 03:07 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 10:41 GiygaS wrote:
The joke was forced in that I wanted to post to say "I'm here" basically, but didn't really have much to say.
As for what I think about Irish, slight town lean. Only real suspicion is on GB atm for his very matter of fact town read (I agree with it to some extent but he was very confident in it so early which I thought was weird) and that weird first post. I dislike this post. Trying to fit in is exactly what Mafia struggles with in the beginning of the gam me. Plus, if you agree with me about the opening, it doesn't make sense to be suspicious of me. Answer me this: what is the Mafia motivation behind calling someone town from his opening?
Catching up now.
I find mafia has very sure town reads over townies, especially early on, since they know already who is town.
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On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town)
Fair warning but if we lynch Scott today and he flips mafia like I expect he will then I'll probably voting you for this, the sheer amount you've now defended him and made it less likely that he gets lynched is baffling given your read on him. It makes no sense as a stance whatsoever and really does ignore what the issues with him really are, sure he his lesser activity may fall under his meta, him town reading Noon for the reasoning he does doesn't though and him calling me town due to being a "newb" similarly doesn't make sense.
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On December 31 2015 03:49 Irishbound wrote:Very very very very much want to lynch Scott, there's cookies for those who switch across, I really am confident he's scum here and those saying "he's too hard to tell", "he should be null" need to explain how they disagree with my reasoning. The fact that a lot of the people soft defending him fall inside my null/scum reads is good sign he's mafia too. Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 03:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm lynching Kmatt today and no one else. And I'm not voting Kmatt, I can somewhat understand your point on him but I've also seen newbtown players weaken/pursue a read less as town because they're told by others that they don't agree with the read and that's what's happened here. His reasoning behind suspecting you DOES make sense.
Nobody disagreed with his read on Giygas. If he wants to lynch someone other than scott he lynches his main scum read 100% of the times especially if his scum read is the second wagon. It makes no sense to suddenly deciding to lynch me. 0 sense.
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On December 31 2015 03:54 Irishbound wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town) Fair warning but if we lynch Scott today and he flips mafia like I expect he will then I'll probably voting you for this, the sheer amount you've now defended him and made it less likely that he gets lynched is baffling given your read on him. It makes no sense as a stance whatsoever and really does ignore what the issues with him really are, sure he his lesser activity may fall under his meta, him town reading Noon for the reasoning he does doesn't though and him calling me town due to being a "newb" similarly doesn't make sense.
I would never hard align myself with scott this way if I was Mafia with him. Literally never. But do as you please, as long as you read my scum reads and lynxh them after I flip
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On December 31 2015 03:54 GlowingBear wrote:Nobody disagreed with his read on Giygas. If he wants to lynch someone other than scott he lynches his main scum read 100% of the times especially if his scum read is the second wagon. It makes no sense to suddenly deciding to lynch me. 0 sense.
You've got it the wrong way round. The read that people were disagreeing with him about was on you, not Giyga. You can notice the progression behind his reads in the below posts, him not wanting to lynch someone that'll give us minimal information would also apply to Giyga (It's a bad way to vote, that's something I'll agree with you on but it's not an unfathomable one from a newer player as town).
On December 30 2015 09:25 Kmatt wrote:Well you're right that I haven't gone hard on anyone yet. While I still believe there's not enough evidence to properly decide now, reading through the filters will probably give me enough to make my choice come tomorrow.
For now I'm probably gonna vote GB or Giygas.
On December 30 2015 09:43 Kmatt wrote:
I don't think much has changed. To be honest, I did have a scumlean on GB, but I don't want to assert that since I wasn't confident enough in my own "evidence". Looking back over it I think I'm comfortable dropping my scumlean on GB. With that said:
##vote GiygaS
On December 30 2015 23:30 Kmatt wrote:
Pretty much the same sentiment as above for me. I leave for work in 30 mins and don't get out until 5pm Burger-time (vote o'clock).
However I am going to assert that GB is the more dangerous target. Sure, Scott was acting "scummy" by not really participating, but he hasn't really derailed the thread or caused trouble (yet). GB on the other hand is an active poster who has been calling quite a few scumreads (myself included) with virtually no justification, as well as some very empty townreads. The fishy interactions with Noon are enough to seal the deal for me.
More importantly, if we were to lynch Scott, we would learn almost nothing. Even if he came up scum, his posts have been so hollow that we wouldn't have a solid lead to go from there. Unless GB can clean up his act in time, there's a lot more to be gained out of him.
##unvote GiygaS
##vote GlowingBear
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On December 31 2015 03:56 GlowingBear wrote:I would never hard align myself with scott this way if I was Mafia with him. Literally never. But do as you please, as long as you read my scum reads and lynxh them after I flip
Then if you're town stop being nonsensical, you've got absolutely no reason to town read Scott whatsoever, you acknowledge as much, you've got town reads on lots of other players thereby by process of elimination alone he's a decent chance of being mafia for you so you taking the stance "I've promised myself not to lynch him" doesn't add up. Again you're disregarding his actions as "null" for a meta reason that doesn't flow, what about his meta makes his really weak and incorrect reasoning for town reading Noon and myself null? What about his meta means that where he does focus doesn't look like scumhunting but rather quoting random sections?
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Vote Count - Day 1
scott31337 (3): Irishbound, NocturneMage, mderg
GiygaS (2): Kmatt, scott31337, Fidei86
Fidei86 (2: Onegu, nooniansoong
Kmatt (2): TheCow, GlowingBear
nooniansoong (1): Shapelog
GlowingBear (1): Kmatt
Onegu (0): nooniansoong
Not Voting (1): GiygaS
At this time, scott31337 is slated to be lynched.
Day 1 ends in on Wednesday, Dec 30 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.
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On December 31 2015 04:01 Irishbound wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 03:54 GlowingBear wrote:Nobody disagreed with his read on Giygas. If he wants to lynch someone other than scott he lynches his main scum read 100% of the times especially if his scum read is the second wagon. It makes no sense to suddenly deciding to lynch me. 0 sense. You've got it the wrong way round. The read that people were disagreeing with him about was on you, not Giyga. You can notice the progression behind his reads in the below posts, him not wanting to lynch someone that'll give us minimal information would also apply to Giyga (It's a bad way to vote, that's something I'll agree with you on but it's not an unfathomable one from a newer player as town). Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 09:25 Kmatt wrote:Well you're right that I haven't gone hard on anyone yet. While I still believe there's not enough evidence to properly decide now, reading through the filters will probably give me enough to make my choice come tomorrow.
For now I'm probably gonna vote GB or Giygas. Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 09:43 Kmatt wrote:
I don't think much has changed. To be honest, I did have a scumlean on GB, but I don't want to assert that since I wasn't confident enough in my own "evidence". Looking back over it I think I'm comfortable dropping my scumlean on GB. With that said:
##vote GiygaS Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 23:30 Kmatt wrote:
Pretty much the same sentiment as above for me. I leave for work in 30 mins and don't get out until 5pm Burger-time (vote o'clock).
However I am going to assert that GB is the more dangerous target. Sure, Scott was acting "scummy" by not really participating, but he hasn't really derailed the thread or caused trouble (yet). GB on the other hand is an active poster who has been calling quite a few scumreads (myself included) with virtually no justification, as well as some very empty townreads. The fishy interactions with Noon are enough to seal the deal for me.
More importantly, if we were to lynch Scott, we would learn almost nothing. Even if he came up scum, his posts have been so hollow that we wouldn't have a solid lead to go from there. Unless GB can clean up his act in time, there's a lot more to be gained out of him.
##unvote GiygaS
##vote GlowingBear
That's exactly what I'm saying. If he was a newer player not confident with his read on me, it wouldn't make sense to suddenly say I'm a more dangerous player.
Irish, he even said he dropped his scum read on me. It doesn't make any sense to say to NOT vote scott to vote ME (I wasnt a wagon) when his main scum read was the second wagon!!!
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On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:Cool I've finished catching up. townFidei NocturneMage Irishbound (the way these three are engaging the thread looks like townies trying to solve the game. They see posts, they react, they go after information to further investigate people's alignment)Kush (I've played games with kush before and as mafia he really doesn't care, and he seems to care here. He is here, he is commenting stuff. It's a read mostly based on meta, tho)Shapelog (my weakest townread. I think his excitement to play is genuine, but the way he is engaging the thread is a little more passive than I expect from a townie. His opinions aren't firm. So I think he is townie but I have an eye open regarding him)Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town) TheCow is null because I have no idea what his posts are actually after, but I think the formatting is SO SO CUUUUTE Kmatt I had him as mafia, then I reevaluated and thought he might be town (after talking to kush), then he voted me using a very poor reasoning to do so. He is null but very close to scum mafiamderg (no original thoughts. the guy is just following the thread and rarely putting any original thoughts on the thread. Throw suspicions without going after it, like he did talking about me and kush avoiding each otherm and simply isn't caring for actually uncovering people's alignment)Onegu (Meta: he is too invested in the game) (Evidence: calls fidei out for a dumb reason as a scumslip, saying Fidei is mafia for saying Onegu is a mislynch. This is bad, but the greatest problem isn't that this is a bad reason to jump on someone. It's because one of Shapelog's first post was this [spoiler]On December 29 2015 07:06 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:05 scott31337 wrote:On December 29 2015 07:04 nooniansoong wrote:On December 29 2015 07:02 GlowingBear wrote: I wanted to be blue so much it's so anti-town to claim vt I agree with the stone man here. Haven't you learned yet Bear? He might need another mislynch......  [/spoiler] but he never suspects Shapelog for TMI - Too Much Insight)
Looks like shape scumslipped also.
FTR I dont read shapes posts they give me headaches. So I just skip them.
GB really might be scum here also.
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On December 31 2015 04:05 Irishbound wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 03:56 GlowingBear wrote:I would never hard align myself with scott this way if I was Mafia with him. Literally never. But do as you please, as long as you read my scum reads and lynxh them after I flip Then if you're town stop being nonsensical, you've got absolutely no reason to town read Scott whatsoever, you acknowledge as much, you've got town reads on lots of other players thereby by process of elimination alone he's a decent chance of being mafia for you so you taking the stance "I've promised myself not to lynch him" doesn't add up. Again you're disregarding his actions as "null" for a meta reason that doesn't flow, what about his meta makes his really weak and incorrect reasoning for town reading Noon and myself null? What about his meta means that where he does focus doesn't look like scumhunting but rather quoting random sections?
I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that.
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On December 31 2015 04:08 GlowingBear wrote:Irish, he even said he dropped his scum read on me. It doesn't make any sense to say to NOT vote scott to vote ME (I wasnt a wagon) when his main scum read was the second wagon!!!
He believes that we shouldn't be lynching players with little content as it doesn't provide us with much information to work with regardless of their flip, do I agree that's a good way to play? No, absolutely not. Do I think that's impossible heck even unlikely to come from newer town? No.
If he believes that low content lynches are bad then him ruling both Scott and Giyga makes sense which only leaves you as the scum read he's had throughout the game that's been active so I really don't see this big scum tell you're making out his vote on you to be.
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Also meta doesnt work on me GB you have played with me long enough to know this. I purposely change how I play both alignments periodically so I cant be meta read. And the fact that you are trying to meta read me is complete garbage.
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On December 31 2015 04:09 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:Cool I've finished catching up. townFidei NocturneMage Irishbound (the way these three are engaging the thread looks like townies trying to solve the game. They see posts, they react, they go after information to further investigate people's alignment)Kush (I've played games with kush before and as mafia he really doesn't care, and he seems to care here. He is here, he is commenting stuff. It's a read mostly based on meta, tho)Shapelog (my weakest townread. I think his excitement to play is genuine, but the way he is engaging the thread is a little more passive than I expect from a townie. His opinions aren't firm. So I think he is townie but I have an eye open regarding him)Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town) TheCow is null because I have no idea what his posts are actually after, but I think the formatting is SO SO CUUUUTE Kmatt I had him as mafia, then I reevaluated and thought he might be town (after talking to kush), then he voted me using a very poor reasoning to do so. He is null but very close to scum mafiamderg (no original thoughts. the guy is just following the thread and rarely putting any original thoughts on the thread. Throw suspicions without going after it, like he did talking about me and kush avoiding each otherm and simply isn't caring for actually uncovering people's alignment)Onegu (Meta: he is too invested in the game) (Evidence: calls fidei out for a dumb reason as a scumslip, saying Fidei is mafia for saying Onegu is a mislynch. This is bad, but the greatest problem isn't that this is a bad reason to jump on someone. It's because one of Shapelog's first post was this [spoiler]On December 29 2015 07:06 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:05 scott31337 wrote:On December 29 2015 07:04 nooniansoong wrote:On December 29 2015 07:02 GlowingBear wrote: I wanted to be blue so much it's so anti-town to claim vt I agree with the stone man here. Haven't you learned yet Bear? He might need another mislynch...... [/spoiler] but he never suspects Shapelog for TMI - Too Much Insight) Looks like shape scumslipped also. FTR I dont read shapes posts they give me headaches. So I just skip them. GB really might be scum here also.
Do you know why that can't be true, Onegu? It's because that post from Shape is one of the first posts of the game, if you truly started reading the game you would see it.
Don't tell me you wouldn't read a one liner but would read that big ass post from Fidei
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The 2 people with the votes on them are completely null and should not have votes on them unless you want policy lynches. They are so bad and the fact that votes are gathering on them is almost enough for me to Town Read them.
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On December 31 2015 04:13 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 04:09 Onegu wrote:On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:Cool I've finished catching up. townFidei NocturneMage Irishbound (the way these three are engaging the thread looks like townies trying to solve the game. They see posts, they react, they go after information to further investigate people's alignment)Kush (I've played games with kush before and as mafia he really doesn't care, and he seems to care here. He is here, he is commenting stuff. It's a read mostly based on meta, tho)Shapelog (my weakest townread. I think his excitement to play is genuine, but the way he is engaging the thread is a little more passive than I expect from a townie. His opinions aren't firm. So I think he is townie but I have an eye open regarding him)Scott is null. I've made a promise to keep him alive for more than one day because he usually plays like this. Actually, those incongruences you've guys found in Scott's post could come from town Scott based on his previous games (I think Battle of the Drams is the one I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure the name of the game I remember him playing like this as town) TheCow is null because I have no idea what his posts are actually after, but I think the formatting is SO SO CUUUUTE Kmatt I had him as mafia, then I reevaluated and thought he might be town (after talking to kush), then he voted me using a very poor reasoning to do so. He is null but very close to scum mafiamderg (no original thoughts. the guy is just following the thread and rarely putting any original thoughts on the thread. Throw suspicions without going after it, like he did talking about me and kush avoiding each otherm and simply isn't caring for actually uncovering people's alignment)Onegu (Meta: he is too invested in the game) (Evidence: calls fidei out for a dumb reason as a scumslip, saying Fidei is mafia for saying Onegu is a mislynch. This is bad, but the greatest problem isn't that this is a bad reason to jump on someone. It's because one of Shapelog's first post was this [spoiler]On December 29 2015 07:06 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:05 scott31337 wrote:On December 29 2015 07:04 nooniansoong wrote:On December 29 2015 07:02 GlowingBear wrote: I wanted to be blue so much it's so anti-town to claim vt I agree with the stone man here. Haven't you learned yet Bear? He might need another mislynch...... [/spoiler] but he never suspects Shapelog for TMI - Too Much Insight) Looks like shape scumslipped also. FTR I dont read shapes posts they give me headaches. So I just skip them. GB really might be scum here also. Do you know why that can't be true, Onegu? It's because that post from Shape is one of the first posts of the game, if you truly started reading the game you would see it. Don't tell me you wouldn't read a one liner but would read that big ass post from Fidei
This is exactly what I am telling you
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Will be leaving in about 15 minutes so if anyone wanted to discuss anything with me now is your best chance.
And again cookies for those who join me on Scott.
On December 31 2015 04:10 GlowingBear wrote:I've wrote it before. I've played with scott before and he is capable of doing that as town. I'm not lynching him over people I'm fairly confident are scum, simple as that.
/Headdesk.
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From last game I decided I wouldnt read shapes posts
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