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On December 17 2015 18:14 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2015 18:13 Rels wrote:On December 17 2015 18:10 DarthPunk wrote:On December 17 2015 18:06 Rels wrote:On December 17 2015 17:52 DarthPunk wrote:On December 17 2015 17:42 Rels wrote:On December 17 2015 17:41 DarthPunk wrote:On December 17 2015 17:31 Rels wrote:
rayn when you're around, poke me You don't want to talk to me? Sure bro, what do you want to talk about ? I really like the way you play for starters you have done an excellent job this game. I really thought you were town for the way you fanatically pushed RSO. It's kinda of shocking that you are mafia actually. How long have you been playing mafia for? Bastard. There is no praise in that post since I'm not scum. This is a hidden slap to my face p: 8 month BTW. I still have no idea how to detect town and scum mindset apparently. Your posts all seem town motivated to me, apart the martyring ones that rayn loved so much. The matyring was legit. And so was the praise. This is my last game and I really would have been fine being lynched. And I really do think you have played really well. You remind me of myself for real. Let's imagine you're scum. You are the most objectively scummy person in the game. But you win because you make a bullshit emotionnal post. Would you be happy with your win ? not at all.
I'm not even happy winning by getting carried by rayn so I would hate to win that way.
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On December 17 2015 18:11 DarthPunk wrote:
obviously you are not going to admit to it all being real. But really, in post game lets chat about mafia.
I suppose there is a small chance rayn is scum. He played a fantastic game if that is the case. Especially, him reacting so fast to things happening in thread is extremely hard; I know, I've tried to play like that as scum and slipped. Like, I'm talking to making a big post cementing his reads, and getting rid of it the second I point something illogical in GM's story; or him reacting to Artasoul making AtE, then you making AtE, then me not making AtE 'cause I don't do them as town.
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What in Artasoul's post against me made you think "maybe these guys are town" ?
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On December 17 2015 18:18 Rels wrote:
What in Artasoul's post against me made you think "maybe these guys are town" ?
I guess it was the matyring that really made me shift my viewpoint and the not caring if dying attitude because at that point only scum really cared if they died or not. Like scum needed to survive and here was the hydra really seeming to not give a fuck if they died.
That shifted again when it appeared that they actually did care but were acting like they did not which is scummy objectively IMO.
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On December 17 2015 18:23 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2015 18:18 Rels wrote:
What in Artasoul's post against me made you think "maybe these guys are town" ? I guess it was the matyring that really made me shift my viewpoint and the not caring if dying attitude because at that point only scum really cared if they died or not. Like scum needed to survive and here was the hydra really seeming to not give a fuck if they died. That shifted again when it appeared that they actually did care but were acting like they did not which is scummy objectively IMO.
So you never scumread them before right ?
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On December 17 2015 18:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2015 18:23 DarthPunk wrote:On December 17 2015 18:18 Rels wrote:
What in Artasoul's post against me made you think "maybe these guys are town" ? I guess it was the matyring that really made me shift my viewpoint and the not caring if dying attitude because at that point only scum really cared if they died or not. Like scum needed to survive and here was the hydra really seeming to not give a fuck if they died. That shifted again when it appeared that they actually did care but were acting like they did not which is scummy objectively IMO. So you never scumread them before right ?
No I don't understand what you are saying? I think I have scumread basically everyone except rayn many times.
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On December 14 2015 15:41 DarthPunk wrote:
[b]The Hydra[\b]
I legit think RSO is just bad at the game. Not sure if they are scum even though they are doing dumb stuff and clearly give zero fucks about the outcome of the lynch, that interaction within the hydra is tough to fake.
What dumb stuff are you talking about, and why are they bad at the game here ?
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On December 17 2015 18:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 15:41 DarthPunk wrote:
[b]The Hydra[\b]
I legit think RSO is just bad at the game. Not sure if they are scum even though they are doing dumb stuff and clearly give zero fucks about the outcome of the lynch, that interaction within the hydra is tough to fake. What dumb stuff are you talking about, and why are they bad at the game here ?
They were trolling, didn't really fucking try calling me scum for bad meta reasons or no reason at all.
Rephrasing the same argument after rayn said it was invalid etc.
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On December 17 2015 18:43 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2015 18:37 Rels wrote:On December 14 2015 15:41 DarthPunk wrote:
The Hydra[\b]
I legit think RSO is just bad at the game. Not sure if they are scum even though they are doing dumb stuff and clearly give zero fucks about the outcome of the lynch, that interaction within the hydra is tough to fake. What dumb stuff are you talking about, and why are they bad at the game here ? They were trolling, didn't really fucking try calling me scum for bad meta reasons or no reason at all. Rephrasing the same argument after rayn said it was invalid etc.
OK. Then what did they do to look bad here:
[B]On December 15 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
OK im around for like 15 minutes before I have to go to bed.
Some things.
I'm not the medic.
Rels looks really townie to me.
I think RSO looks bad.
I think the medic should probably claim if a save doesn't effect the number of mis-lynches we get because a confirmed townie is really strong in a small game.
Free to chat for a little if anyone is around while I read through some stuff.
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They were getting trashed by you in your arguments and within your interaction and seemed to get stuck on the same loops of logic without being able to see out of it.
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anyway I am in the middle of something so im gonna finish this before I re-read any of the game.
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On December 17 2015 18:47 DarthPunk wrote:
They were getting trashed by you in your arguments and within your interaction and seemed to get stuck on the same loops of logic without being able to see out of it.
Can you quote one argument where I attack them pretty please ?
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On December 17 2015 18:48 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2015 18:47 DarthPunk wrote:
They were getting trashed by you in your arguments and within your interaction and seemed to get stuck on the same loops of logic without being able to see out of it. Can you quote one argument where I attack them pretty please ?
can you stop twisting my words. You were arguing and you trashed them, you were winning the arguments. I didn't say that you attacked them. I can;t remember if you did or you didn;t, but you clearly are very aware as you keep on trying to trap me into saying something incorrect.
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On December 17 2015 18:51 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2015 18:48 Rels wrote:On December 17 2015 18:47 DarthPunk wrote:
They were getting trashed by you in your arguments and within your interaction and seemed to get stuck on the same loops of logic without being able to see out of it. Can you quote one argument where I attack them pretty please ? can you stop twisting my words. You were arguing and you trashed them, you were winning the arguments. I didn't say that you attacked them. I can;t remember if you did or you didn;t, but you clearly are very aware as you keep on trying to trap me into saying something incorrect.
Reading your filter, you were so vague all game that I have no idea what you really meant in most of your posts when I get rid of my preconception of what you would answer.
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On December 17 2015 18:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2015 18:51 DarthPunk wrote:On December 17 2015 18:48 Rels wrote:On December 17 2015 18:47 DarthPunk wrote:
They were getting trashed by you in your arguments and within your interaction and seemed to get stuck on the same loops of logic without being able to see out of it. Can you quote one argument where I attack them pretty please ? can you stop twisting my words. You were arguing and you trashed them, you were winning the arguments. I didn't say that you attacked them. I can;t remember if you did or you didn;t, but you clearly are very aware as you keep on trying to trap me into saying something incorrect. Reading your filter, you were so vague all game that I have no idea what you really meant in most of your posts when I get rid of my preconception of what you would answer.
Probably because it all made sense in context and you removed the context.
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here is a series of posts by the hydra shorty before I said they looked bad.
At this point of the game givben the context in which rayn is essentially universally town read having the medic claim and then solving by PoE is without question the correct play.
However the hydra proceeds to troll and fuck up the productivity of the thread that a fucking universal town read is trying to establish.
It was fucking anti town and dumb and I wanted to lynch the hydra so fucking badly for it. Especially cause at the time you were doing much the same as you are now, continuing to post and probe and TRY through adversity. Which I value ALOT when making assessments of players. ESPECIALLY when they are newish and I have no preconceived Ideas as to their play style or expectations of their ability level.
Furthermore. Artanis and RSO are supposed to be good townies when they try and I KNOW artanis tries less as scum so it all fit the expectations of what their scumplay would look like in this situation.
On December 15 2015 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
RtaniSoul you're actually the medic?
On December 15 2015 07:12 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
RtaniSoul you're actually the medic? No, we're the vigilante.
On December 15 2015 07:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
We're also a death miller detective.
On December 15 2015 07:13 RtaniSoul wrote:
And possibly schizophrenic.
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On December 17 2015 18:55 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2015 18:53 Rels wrote:On December 17 2015 18:51 DarthPunk wrote:On December 17 2015 18:48 Rels wrote:On December 17 2015 18:47 DarthPunk wrote:
They were getting trashed by you in your arguments and within your interaction and seemed to get stuck on the same loops of logic without being able to see out of it. Can you quote one argument where I attack them pretty please ? can you stop twisting my words. You were arguing and you trashed them, you were winning the arguments. I didn't say that you attacked them. I can;t remember if you did or you didn;t, but you clearly are very aware as you keep on trying to trap me into saying something incorrect. Reading your filter, you were so vague all game that I have no idea what you really meant in most of your posts when I get rid of my preconception of what you would answer. Probably because it all made sense in context and you removed the context.
No it doesn't. There is something weird in your read of artasoul. You explain your townread by them "not giving a fuck and martyring"; well when you made your vote, they had already gone into their "not giving a fuck and martyring" phase for quite some time. This post you replied to is actually a good example:
On December 16 2015 06:22 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 06:18 RtaniSoul wrote:If you want to win the game today instead of in 72 hours you should probably lynch Rels instead  I don't think rels is more likely to be scum than you are. I actually quite strongly believe the opposite.
But even before, your vote is there:
On December 16 2015 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:
I think the hydra is a better lynch than Rels.
Rayn I would love to play one of these games where the mafia team tries a bit harder. It kinda sucks that the game is solved already.
Anyway
##vote: RtaniSoul
And here are the recent posts of artasoul at that point:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2015 07:09 RtaniSoul wrote:Okay, we've decided to re-evaluate everything and we've come to some shocking revelations. After rereading over all the posts, we've decided Rayn is the most likely scum. He was inconsistent in his reads on Greymist. At first, he didn't want to lynch him, then suddenly he does. It just doesn't make any sense. Secondly, we also think Damdred is mafia. LoneMeow is a bastard host and it was actually Rels who flipped vanilla town. Marv was also town. DarthPunk we aren't sure on. We thought he might be town because he buddied people early but then he started making posts that made sense so now we're not sure. GreYMisT.. Well, we thought he was town for everything but then he misconstrued something he once said in an argument about an argument in an argument so we guess he's mafia anyway. Unfortunately this means the game is already lost because there's too many mafia  On December 15 2015 07:10 RtaniSoul wrote:
##Vote Clarity On December 15 2015 07:12 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
RtaniSoul you're actually the medic? No, we're the vigilante. On December 15 2015 07:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
We're also a death miller detective. On December 15 2015 07:13 RtaniSoul wrote:
And possibly schizophrenic. On December 15 2015 07:15 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 07:14 GreYMisT wrote:On December 15 2015 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
RtaniSoul you're actually the medic? And you're blue hunting? lol On December 15 2015 07:18 RtaniSoul wrote:raaaaaaaaaaayn we're gonna win Unless you lynch us. Then we might not win. Lighten up On December 15 2015 07:22 RtaniSoul wrote:![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/E2crgpE.png) #teamgirlydrinks On December 15 2015 07:25 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 07:24 GreYMisT wrote:On December 15 2015 07:22 RtaniSoul wrote:#teamgirlydrinks yes you are playing together. Can we get back to talking about the game Well, the game feels figured out to us. We're still pretty sure on Rels, and if it isn't Rels it's you so, bottoms up! On December 15 2015 07:26 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 15 2015 07:22 RtaniSoul wrote:#teamgirlydrinks I wanna have a skype conversation with you if you are drunk. :p for once it's not me who's drunk haha ^^ We're fine with that we're on Lex' skype. On December 15 2015 07:26 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 07:26 GreYMisT wrote:
I take it you dont feel good about rayns "plan" then? His plan is obviously good for town. That's why we lol'd. On December 15 2015 23:38 RtaniSoul wrote:
Quite simply, the doctor should claim so there's no chance of a scum fake claim in lylo/mylo (with a couple possible exceptions that should be obvious).
We could try hard here, but what's the point? Lynch Rels, and if he for some weird reason flips town, lynch GM. DP is right; if GM is scum it's not for that. To us the game is basically solved? So no, we really don't care anymore, especially when we were getting scumreads for being too clean. Newsflash: we're townie because we're town, not some stupid bullshit mindfuck only scum players are townie narrative. (Yes, I'm looking at you, rayn.) On December 15 2015 23:55 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But since both of hydra/Rels are okay with the game being solved i guess i am aswell.
And i will not accept any "OH NO THE GAME IS NOT ACTUALLY OVER" in case the first one we flip flips town. We're fine with both us/Rels getting lynched if GM is in fact the doc. ##Vote Rels On December 15 2015 23:57 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 23:53 Rels wrote:On December 15 2015 23:38 RtaniSoul wrote:
So no, we really don't care anymore, especially when we were getting scumreads for being too clean. Most of your reads are based on terrible reasons. Doesn't matter if we're right scum We're quite happy with our reads this game, thank you On December 16 2015 00:25 RtaniSoul wrote:So we won unless DP is somehow scum nice. Gg rels On December 16 2015 00:27 RtaniSoul wrote:Tina is very happy about being right. When she heard marv started posting and I said this might make him town she instantly said "but who else could rels be scum with?" On December 16 2015 00:33 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 16 2015 00:27 RtaniSoul wrote:Tina is very happy about being right. When she heard marv started posting and I said this might make him town she instantly said "but who else could rels be scum with?" But i thought you thought DP was possibly mafia aswell? Possible but very unlikely. we can't get him lynched over us anyway so we're okay with losing if he's scum. On December 16 2015 00:39 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 00:34 Rels wrote:On December 16 2015 00:31 Rels wrote:On December 16 2015 00:27 RtaniSoul wrote:Tina is very happy about being right. When she heard marv started posting and I said this might make him town she instantly said "but who else could rels be scum with?" Wait. What time are you talking about exactly ? LOL yes that cannot be interpreted another way. It's a time AFTER marv started posting but BEFORE his alignement was known. Arsoultin didn't post a single post during that period. So they were observing but didn't post in the crisis that was EOD1. We checked in to check once when marv was posting and then everyone was switching to rels and we were fine with that. After that we got the deadline wrong by an hour so we missed that part. On December 16 2015 00:40 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 00:38 Rels wrote:
Concede please (= I'm super happy you're not bad townies. I was super mad this morning about your badness but I couldn't consider you town over GM making up a reason for his own post. You tried so hard and got so far but in the end you're still getting lynched today or tomorrow On December 16 2015 00:44 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 00:42 Rels wrote:On December 16 2015 00:40 RtaniSoul wrote:On December 16 2015 00:38 Rels wrote:
Concede please (= I'm super happy you're not bad townies. I was super mad this morning about your badness but I couldn't consider you town over GM making up a reason for his own post. You tried so hard and got so far but in the end you're still getting lynched today or tomorrow Man if I lose this game because you saw that marv posted but didn't bother writing stuff, I have no problem (= actually if you're town I want us to concede. Now way scum should lose here. Please do inform us how actively lurking and having our vote on scum is scummier than just being afk On December 16 2015 00:47 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No there is a really big inconsistancy in what the hydra says in contrast to how they had acted before / at the time marv started posting (regardless of if they are telling the truth about reading marv's posts there or not). Don't really care as long as you lynch rels tomorrow but lay it down anyway On December 16 2015 04:17 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote:So here's where we're at right now. We kind of think Damdred and Rayn are easy townreads right now. Damdred for being lighthearted and happy to interact. Rayn for not tunneling and actually attempting to interact with his reads. Kind of leaning town on GreY. Just don't think he'd go after Damdy and Rayn when everyone and their mom is townreading them. Especially if Marv is mafia, he'd actually have to line up mislynches and no one wants to lynch either of them right now. We don't think the post about Rayn being vocal was alignment indicative, and a bunch of things in his big post stuck out as townish. One thing we didn't like though was the marv post and trying to get him modkilled instead, but that would be an easy scum tactic that doesn't make much sense in combination with trying to push damdred/rayn. We think he's just wrong mostly. Marv is clearly scum at this point. ##Vote MarvellosityWhich leaves DP and Rels for the last scum. Some of what Rels has posted looks okay and some of it doesn't. There's a few instances where it seems like he's throwing suspicions on people without trying to figure them out like he did The way he approached DP and our slot in a way that seems more focused on burying rather than solving. An exception to that would be this post: On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
while reading, 2 stood out to me as interesting:
The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement. How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions. On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however. On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda. On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion. He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ? On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling. You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ? Where it feels like he's actually trying to work with GM. Then there was the weird marv vote that also got pinged out by Rayn and Damdred. In the case of Marv being mafia, it gives Rels an excuse to be on him early whilst actually being able to switch to DP as soon as Marv posts. On December 12 2015 23:27 Rels wrote:
##Vote marv
Do stuff or die.
Otherwise here is my mind atm:
rayn
Damdred
grey
Arta/rsoul
marv
DP
About the reiterationOur concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread.
For DP, it feels like he's buddying a bunch of players and the GM scumread seems too easy and shallow. He also spent a lot more time on his townreads than his scumreads. There just doesn't seem to be much drive to find scum in him. It's also telling that we can't really say much about his filter besides a bunch of reasons for people to be town. TownDamdred Raynpelikoneet Leaning TownGreYMisT Leaning ScumRels DarthPunk MafiaMarvellosity Okay, first off we admit that we have been playing this game very lackadaisically. We've been taking full advantage of being a hydra where we can work things out together. We also haven't been paying this game as much attention as it probably deserves. That said, the above post was our reads before marv. Clearly if marv is town, as Lex thought, our two scumreads become Rels and DP. There were 5 votes on Rels when Lex checked the thread, 1 on DP and 1 on marv, so he didn't feel the need to post or change his vote while I was out. He was waiting for me to get back and we both didn't realize deadline was at 4 (our time) instead of 5. As for my comment on Rels...he'd gone after so many people in the thread that it just seemed really unlikely he was scum with DP or GM, and we had strong townreads on Damdred and rayn. So for both of us a Rels lynch was likely to hit scum, though I wasn't assuming marv was town like Lex was. Thus we didn't care perhaps as much as we should have. There are reasons for that but we're not going to go into it. Quite simply you have to ask yourselves why marv tries to get out of his lynch and why we don't take advantage of the Rels lynch. You could make the argument that we just assumed it would go through, and we're horrible scum players who both didn't follow thread and didn't keep track of the deadline when marv, who everyone knows doesn't like to play scum, is trying to get a mislynch. And if you think that's likely, go ahead and lynch us. Then lynch Rels. On December 16 2015 05:07 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 04:58 Rels wrote:On December 16 2015 04:17 RtaniSoul wrote:And if you think that's likely, go ahead and lynch us. Then lynch Rels. OK let's do that. Are you willing to give up when we flip town?
Like, the "trashing game" had finished from their part, they had been martyring and not giving a fuck for more than about 24 hours, but you still held up to your scumread on them, even though they are doing something that will later make you townread them.
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On December 17 2015 19:08 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2015 18:55 DarthPunk wrote:On December 17 2015 18:53 Rels wrote:On December 17 2015 18:51 DarthPunk wrote:On December 17 2015 18:48 Rels wrote:On December 17 2015 18:47 DarthPunk wrote:
They were getting trashed by you in your arguments and within your interaction and seemed to get stuck on the same loops of logic without being able to see out of it. Can you quote one argument where I attack them pretty please ? can you stop twisting my words. You were arguing and you trashed them, you were winning the arguments. I didn't say that you attacked them. I can;t remember if you did or you didn;t, but you clearly are very aware as you keep on trying to trap me into saying something incorrect. Reading your filter, you were so vague all game that I have no idea what you really meant in most of your posts when I get rid of my preconception of what you would answer. Probably because it all made sense in context and you removed the context. No it doesn't. There is something weird in your read of artasoul. You explain your townread by them "not giving a fuck and martyring"; well when you made your vote, they had already gone into their "not giving a fuck and martyring" phase for quite some time. This post you replied to is actually a good example: Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 06:22 DarthPunk wrote:On December 16 2015 06:18 RtaniSoul wrote:If you want to win the game today instead of in 72 hours you should probably lynch Rels instead I don't think rels is more likely to be scum than you are. I actually quite strongly believe the opposite. But even before, your vote is there: Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 06:08 DarthPunk wrote:
I think the hydra is a better lynch than Rels.
Rayn I would love to play one of these games where the mafia team tries a bit harder. It kinda sucks that the game is solved already.
Anyway
##vote: RtaniSoul And here are the recent posts of artasoul at that point: + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2015 07:09 RtaniSoul wrote:Okay, we've decided to re-evaluate everything and we've come to some shocking revelations. After rereading over all the posts, we've decided Rayn is the most likely scum. He was inconsistent in his reads on Greymist. At first, he didn't want to lynch him, then suddenly he does. It just doesn't make any sense. Secondly, we also think Damdred is mafia. LoneMeow is a bastard host and it was actually Rels who flipped vanilla town. Marv was also town. DarthPunk we aren't sure on. We thought he might be town because he buddied people early but then he started making posts that made sense so now we're not sure. GreYMisT.. Well, we thought he was town for everything but then he misconstrued something he once said in an argument about an argument in an argument so we guess he's mafia anyway. Unfortunately this means the game is already lost because there's too many mafia On December 15 2015 07:10 RtaniSoul wrote:
##Vote Clarity On December 15 2015 07:12 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
RtaniSoul you're actually the medic? No, we're the vigilante. On December 15 2015 07:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
We're also a death miller detective. On December 15 2015 07:13 RtaniSoul wrote:
And possibly schizophrenic. On December 15 2015 07:15 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 07:14 GreYMisT wrote:On December 15 2015 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
RtaniSoul you're actually the medic? And you're blue hunting? lol On December 15 2015 07:18 RtaniSoul wrote:raaaaaaaaaaayn we're gonna win Unless you lynch us. Then we might not win. Lighten up On December 15 2015 07:22 RtaniSoul wrote:#teamgirlydrinks On December 15 2015 07:25 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 07:24 GreYMisT wrote:On December 15 2015 07:22 RtaniSoul wrote:#teamgirlydrinks yes you are playing together. Can we get back to talking about the game Well, the game feels figured out to us. We're still pretty sure on Rels, and if it isn't Rels it's you so, bottoms up! On December 15 2015 07:26 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 15 2015 07:22 RtaniSoul wrote:#teamgirlydrinks I wanna have a skype conversation with you if you are drunk. :p for once it's not me who's drunk haha ^^ We're fine with that we're on Lex' skype. On December 15 2015 07:26 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 07:26 GreYMisT wrote:
I take it you dont feel good about rayns "plan" then? His plan is obviously good for town. That's why we lol'd. On December 15 2015 23:38 RtaniSoul wrote:
Quite simply, the doctor should claim so there's no chance of a scum fake claim in lylo/mylo (with a couple possible exceptions that should be obvious).
We could try hard here, but what's the point? Lynch Rels, and if he for some weird reason flips town, lynch GM. DP is right; if GM is scum it's not for that. To us the game is basically solved? So no, we really don't care anymore, especially when we were getting scumreads for being too clean. Newsflash: we're townie because we're town, not some stupid bullshit mindfuck only scum players are townie narrative. (Yes, I'm looking at you, rayn.) On December 15 2015 23:55 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But since both of hydra/Rels are okay with the game being solved i guess i am aswell.
And i will not accept any "OH NO THE GAME IS NOT ACTUALLY OVER" in case the first one we flip flips town. We're fine with both us/Rels getting lynched if GM is in fact the doc. ##Vote Rels On December 15 2015 23:57 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 23:53 Rels wrote:On December 15 2015 23:38 RtaniSoul wrote:
So no, we really don't care anymore, especially when we were getting scumreads for being too clean. Most of your reads are based on terrible reasons. Doesn't matter if we're right scum We're quite happy with our reads this game, thank you On December 16 2015 00:25 RtaniSoul wrote:So we won unless DP is somehow scum nice. Gg rels On December 16 2015 00:27 RtaniSoul wrote:Tina is very happy about being right. When she heard marv started posting and I said this might make him town she instantly said "but who else could rels be scum with?" On December 16 2015 00:33 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 16 2015 00:27 RtaniSoul wrote:Tina is very happy about being right. When she heard marv started posting and I said this might make him town she instantly said "but who else could rels be scum with?" But i thought you thought DP was possibly mafia aswell? Possible but very unlikely. we can't get him lynched over us anyway so we're okay with losing if he's scum. On December 16 2015 00:39 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 00:34 Rels wrote:On December 16 2015 00:31 Rels wrote:On December 16 2015 00:27 RtaniSoul wrote:Tina is very happy about being right. When she heard marv started posting and I said this might make him town she instantly said "but who else could rels be scum with?" Wait. What time are you talking about exactly ? LOL yes that cannot be interpreted another way. It's a time AFTER marv started posting but BEFORE his alignement was known. Arsoultin didn't post a single post during that period. So they were observing but didn't post in the crisis that was EOD1. We checked in to check once when marv was posting and then everyone was switching to rels and we were fine with that. After that we got the deadline wrong by an hour so we missed that part. On December 16 2015 00:40 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 00:38 Rels wrote:
Concede please (= I'm super happy you're not bad townies. I was super mad this morning about your badness but I couldn't consider you town over GM making up a reason for his own post. You tried so hard and got so far but in the end you're still getting lynched today or tomorrow On December 16 2015 00:44 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 00:42 Rels wrote:On December 16 2015 00:40 RtaniSoul wrote:On December 16 2015 00:38 Rels wrote:
Concede please (= I'm super happy you're not bad townies. I was super mad this morning about your badness but I couldn't consider you town over GM making up a reason for his own post. You tried so hard and got so far but in the end you're still getting lynched today or tomorrow Man if I lose this game because you saw that marv posted but didn't bother writing stuff, I have no problem (= actually if you're town I want us to concede. Now way scum should lose here. Please do inform us how actively lurking and having our vote on scum is scummier than just being afk On December 16 2015 00:47 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No there is a really big inconsistancy in what the hydra says in contrast to how they had acted before / at the time marv started posting (regardless of if they are telling the truth about reading marv's posts there or not). Don't really care as long as you lynch rels tomorrow but lay it down anyway On December 16 2015 04:17 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote:So here's where we're at right now. We kind of think Damdred and Rayn are easy townreads right now. Damdred for being lighthearted and happy to interact. Rayn for not tunneling and actually attempting to interact with his reads. Kind of leaning town on GreY. Just don't think he'd go after Damdy and Rayn when everyone and their mom is townreading them. Especially if Marv is mafia, he'd actually have to line up mislynches and no one wants to lynch either of them right now. We don't think the post about Rayn being vocal was alignment indicative, and a bunch of things in his big post stuck out as townish. One thing we didn't like though was the marv post and trying to get him modkilled instead, but that would be an easy scum tactic that doesn't make much sense in combination with trying to push damdred/rayn. We think he's just wrong mostly. Marv is clearly scum at this point. ##Vote MarvellosityWhich leaves DP and Rels for the last scum. Some of what Rels has posted looks okay and some of it doesn't. There's a few instances where it seems like he's throwing suspicions on people without trying to figure them out like he did The way he approached DP and our slot in a way that seems more focused on burying rather than solving. An exception to that would be this post: On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
while reading, 2 stood out to me as interesting:
The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement. How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions. On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however. On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda. On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion. He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ? On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling. You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ? Where it feels like he's actually trying to work with GM. Then there was the weird marv vote that also got pinged out by Rayn and Damdred. In the case of Marv being mafia, it gives Rels an excuse to be on him early whilst actually being able to switch to DP as soon as Marv posts. On December 12 2015 23:27 Rels wrote:
##Vote marv
Do stuff or die.
Otherwise here is my mind atm:
rayn
Damdred
grey
Arta/rsoul
marv
DP
About the reiterationOur concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread.
For DP, it feels like he's buddying a bunch of players and the GM scumread seems too easy and shallow. He also spent a lot more time on his townreads than his scumreads. There just doesn't seem to be much drive to find scum in him. It's also telling that we can't really say much about his filter besides a bunch of reasons for people to be town. TownDamdred Raynpelikoneet Leaning TownGreYMisT Leaning ScumRels DarthPunk MafiaMarvellosity Okay, first off we admit that we have been playing this game very lackadaisically. We've been taking full advantage of being a hydra where we can work things out together. We also haven't been paying this game as much attention as it probably deserves. That said, the above post was our reads before marv. Clearly if marv is town, as Lex thought, our two scumreads become Rels and DP. There were 5 votes on Rels when Lex checked the thread, 1 on DP and 1 on marv, so he didn't feel the need to post or change his vote while I was out. He was waiting for me to get back and we both didn't realize deadline was at 4 (our time) instead of 5. As for my comment on Rels...he'd gone after so many people in the thread that it just seemed really unlikely he was scum with DP or GM, and we had strong townreads on Damdred and rayn. So for both of us a Rels lynch was likely to hit scum, though I wasn't assuming marv was town like Lex was. Thus we didn't care perhaps as much as we should have. There are reasons for that but we're not going to go into it. Quite simply you have to ask yourselves why marv tries to get out of his lynch and why we don't take advantage of the Rels lynch. You could make the argument that we just assumed it would go through, and we're horrible scum players who both didn't follow thread and didn't keep track of the deadline when marv, who everyone knows doesn't like to play scum, is trying to get a mislynch. And if you think that's likely, go ahead and lynch us. Then lynch Rels. On December 16 2015 05:07 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 04:58 Rels wrote:On December 16 2015 04:17 RtaniSoul wrote:And if you think that's likely, go ahead and lynch us. Then lynch Rels. OK let's do that. Are you willing to give up when we flip town? Like, the "trashing game" had finished from their part, they had been martyring and not giving a fuck for more than about 24 hours, but you still held up to your scumread on them, even though they are doing something that will later make you townread them.
There came a point where the martyring and not giving a fuck overcame the inter hydra interactions that I thought were townie.
I think I basically said the above at some point
Anyway im afk for a while. Keep posting though my skills are rusty and this is fun.
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On December 17 2015 19:02 DarthPunk wrote:here is a series of posts by the hydra shorty before I said they looked bad. At this point of the game givben the context in which rayn is essentially universally town read having the medic claim and then solving by PoE is without question the correct play. However the hydra proceeds to troll and fuck up the productivity of the thread that a fucking universal town read is trying to establish. It was fucking anti town and dumb and I wanted to lynch the hydra so fucking badly for it. Especially cause at the time you were doing much the same as you are now, continuing to post and probe and TRY through adversity. Which I value ALOT when making assessments of players. ESPECIALLY when they are newish and I have no preconceived Ideas as to their play style or expectations of their ability level. Furthermore. Artanis and RSO are supposed to be good townies when they try and I KNOW artanis tries less as scum so it all fit the expectations of what their scumplay would look like in this situation. Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
RtaniSoul you're actually the medic? Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 07:12 RtaniSoul wrote:On December 15 2015 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
RtaniSoul you're actually the medic? No, we're the vigilante. Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 07:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
We're also a death miller detective.
When you voted them and said they were more likely to be scum than me, they had claimed they were not the doc
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On December 17 2015 19:12 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2015 19:02 DarthPunk wrote:here is a series of posts by the hydra shorty before I said they looked bad. At this point of the game givben the context in which rayn is essentially universally town read having the medic claim and then solving by PoE is without question the correct play. However the hydra proceeds to troll and fuck up the productivity of the thread that a fucking universal town read is trying to establish. It was fucking anti town and dumb and I wanted to lynch the hydra so fucking badly for it. Especially cause at the time you were doing much the same as you are now, continuing to post and probe and TRY through adversity. Which I value ALOT when making assessments of players. ESPECIALLY when they are newish and I have no preconceived Ideas as to their play style or expectations of their ability level. Furthermore. Artanis and RSO are supposed to be good townies when they try and I KNOW artanis tries less as scum so it all fit the expectations of what their scumplay would look like in this situation. On December 15 2015 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
RtaniSoul you're actually the medic? On December 15 2015 07:12 RtaniSoul wrote:On December 15 2015 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
RtaniSoul you're actually the medic? No, we're the vigilante. On December 15 2015 07:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
We're also a death miller detective. On December 15 2015 07:13 RtaniSoul wrote:
And possibly schizophrenic. When you voted them and said they were more likely to be scum than me, they had claimed they were not the doc
Them claiming doc or not is not the point. The point is they were trolling and shitting up productive thread pushes by confirmed town.Scum was never ever gonna claim medic so I don't know why you telling me they didn't claim doc is relevant at all.
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