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Rels

France13467 Posts

December 16 2015 22:00 GMT

#821

Of course

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 16 2015 22:01 GMT

#822

I am never going to trust anyone over myself anymore.

Rels

France13467 Posts

December 16 2015 22:02 GMT

#823

Man I will be the reason town loses. At least it's not to stupid behaviour

Rels

France13467 Posts

December 16 2015 22:08 GMT

#824

Fuck this is what cemented me to the arsoul scum read. I have no idea how to hunt experienced scum.

On December 16 2015 22:18 Rels wrote:

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On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
Honestly, Rels, we started getting worried that DP was the last scum and not you and Lex wanted to put more work in than I really felt inclined to, which started this whole thing.

You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum.

If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip.

The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here.

What we want here is very simple.

We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment.

We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game.

So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things.

Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy

I don't think this post is likely to come from town.

First the potential scum motivation here is obvious: appeal to emotion so they look townie. So let's look at potential town motivation.

I have two problems when I try to imagine this coming from townies.

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A general impression: Artasoul rescinds their "Rels is 100% scum" mentality to go to "Mm maybe Rels is town we need to look at DP". The thing is it's been a few hours since they anounced DP might actually be the last scum, since that post:

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and all they did since is say "mm maybe DP is the last scum and we were wrong", without nothing to show for it. A townie would have looked for why DP might be scum before saying such a thing. It's even truer since they are hydras, so they can talk about stuff like this together; I don't understand the townie motivation of posting "DP might actually the last scum" without having looked for it; then continue to not look for it; but do big emotionnal posts about why they are doing it.
The only motivation for doing this (explaining themselves while doing nothing) is appearing good. And the only motivation for a townie to appear good is if they feel guilty about playing bad and tunneling me. It is a possibility, but I don't think it is likely at all.

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On one detail: they say "But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP)"
Well, the little post I made above is nothing compared to that one I made yesterday:

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On December 15 2015 17:56 Rels wrote:

On December 15 2015 07:09 RtaniSoul wrote:
Okay, we've decided to re-evaluate everything and we've come to some shocking revelations.

After rereading over all the posts, we've decided Rayn is the most likely scum. He was inconsistent in his reads on Greymist. At first, he didn't want to lynch him, then suddenly he does. It just doesn't make any sense.

Secondly, we also think Damdred is mafia. LoneMeow is a bastard host and it was actually Rels who flipped vanilla town. Marv was also town.

DarthPunk we aren't sure on. We thought he might be town because he buddied people early but then he started making posts that made sense so now we're not sure.

GreYMisT.. Well, we thought he was town for everything but then he misconstrued something he once said in an argument about an argument in an argument so we guess he's mafia anyway.

Unfortunately this means the game is already lost because there's too many mafia

You're bad. You're two players, and you two are the worst players in this game.

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Your reads are bad. In your first post you had a perfectly fine opinion on DP:

On December 12 2015 15:03 RtaniSoul wrote:

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Game?

I've been mislynched once on this site, in large part because I failed to convince geript that DP was a skeezy scumbucket with a geript in his pocket. Artie remembers Imperial and remembers a more aggressive DP. I glanced through the town game before that just in case replacing in might have had an effect on DP's play, but no dice. Aggressive there right out the starting gate.

These are only a few games, but given they support the perception we already have...

Where you getting this from, rayn?

-waves at DP- Because pointing out that you're buddying people is definitely not worth mentioning or anything ^^ We up for a round two?

rayn posts why you should reconsider it:

On December 12 2015 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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This is the last game i remember playing with DarthPunk when we were both town. This is his filter in the game.

Basically i know DP is usually aggressive and i can see where you are coming from. Obviously it's nor out of the realm of possibilities he is mafia here, but i disagree in him not being "aggressive enough" makes him mafia. He treats different people differently, and i know for a fact he buddies to strong players (if you read the filter the "proof" is there).

Basically this game is filled with people who in my opinion do not respond well -- or at all -- to pressure, at least unfounded pressure (i mean situations where the game has went on for hours and there is not really anything scummy in thread -- disagree?). At the time you called him out, what in your opinion should he have done as town? Should he have questioned something? Should he have pressured something more? In my opinion, when i read the thread at that point, i didn't see anything wrong -- which is i, myself decided to comment on the only read i could be even semi-sure of.

Also bringing up Imperial is in my opinion a bit of a misjudgement (or what the fuck is the word). He replaced into a game on N3...... Of course there is going to be some reads he has rofl. If he hadn't any reads on a thread that is @ N3, he could just quit mafia. Comparing that game to this one (at 6 hours into the game with only 3 people properly even posting) is quite a stretch.

Then BEFORE RECONSIDERING IT, YOU POST THE FUCKING SAME READ TWO MORE TIMES, THEN YOU SAY "OK RAYN WAS RIGHT WE WERE WRONG". WHY DID YOU REPOST THE SAME READ WITHOUT CHECKING WHAT RAYN SAID ??????? ITS USELESS, IT CLUTTERS THE THREAD, IT DOESNT HAVE A PURPOSE

On December 13 2015 01:10 RtaniSoul wrote:
P.S. Thanks rayn! I'll take a look at your link...later? Maybe when I'm waiting at the airport to pick up Lex. Also, just to be clear, my point was the buddying and not the aggression...I am well aware that DP can be aggressive as either alignment, and we are both aware that Imperial is different, which is why I looked up the other town game (Avogadro, to be precise). So let me rephrase. Buddying without pushing anything early game is what caught our attention.

On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote:
About the reiteration
Our concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread.

Here you say DP's townread in not at all based on rayn:

On December 14 2015 21:00 RtaniSoul wrote:
Lexy really thinks DP is town based on his later posting, and I'm gonna trust him over me. We realize that there wasn't much thread sentiment to move to DP and it could have been considered a safe buss attempt, but Occam's razor suggests marv doesn't put his vote on his scummate to get out of a nearly inevitable lynch. We also don't see marv risking lynching his scumbuddy because he's not likely to play afterward.

Then here it's partly based on rayn's read:

On December 14 2015 23:39 RtaniSoul wrote:
In the end, we trusted rayn that buddying and lack of aggression alone doesn't make DP scum and couldn't be assed to do a meta dive.

Which bring me to a parenthesis:
YOU ANSWER PARTIALLY TO QUESTIONS

On December 15 2015 00:39 RtaniSoul wrote:

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You're right. If we'd townread GM for attacking Damdred specifically for that reason, rather than because pushing damdred and rayn is a high-risk, low-reward play with scum marv afk...that would be weird.

"We townread DP because WIFOM WIFOM". That's bad but OK.

On December 15 2015 00:46 RtaniSoul wrote:

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If those were our only reasons, then yes, they would be weak.

Also, rayn's reasons for townreading GM are excellent lol ><

OH I DIDNT MENTION IT IN THE LAST ANSWER BUT WE HAVE OTHER REASONS TOO HURR DURR
END OF PARENTHESIS BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO BAD READS:

On December 15 2015 01:06 RtaniSoul wrote:
So our view on Rels' recent posting is that it feels like the tone is more townie in that he's working with us and asking questions which is more indicative of his Townplay, but the things he's trying to nail people on are things that have either already been explained or aren't that strong and it feels a bit like "hey, can I nail them on this?" "nope? damn, let me try this instead". That's kind of the impression he's leaving on us right now.

MY GOD HOW DARE RELS ASK US QUESTIONS TO SEE IF WE RE SCUM, THEN DONT FIND SOMETHING SCUMMY IN OUR ANSWERS AND GO DO SOMETHING ELSE
E EZ SCUM

On December 14 2015 23:11 RtaniSoul wrote:
To be honest, Rels, you just haven't written anything that has made us go "ah! that looks like a town Rels!" You seem to be gunning after whatever you can get. I described it as throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks.

BECAUSE THAT IS TOTALLY NOT HOW I SCUM HUNT USUALLY
HOW DARE RELS THROW SEVERAL SPAGHETTIS AND SEE THE ONE THAT STICKS ON SCUM
You scumread me for POE, which is OK, AND for asking "pointless questions trying to nail suspicions on someone" which is outrageous. THAT S TRUE, HOW DARE RELS BE SUSPICIOUS OF US WHEN WE HAD SUCH A PERFECT EOD ??? WE JUST WERE AFK DURING DEADLINE AND 13 HOURS AFTER IT BECAUSE I WAS SHOPPING THE WHOLE CITY. Oh Arta ??? uh .... he was sick

What is EVEN WORSE is that you also scumread me by POE because of this SUPERBE GM townread:

On December 14 2015 23:11 RtaniSoul wrote:
we still feel that GM's approach to the game has been fairly townie in terms of tone and strategy. Damdred and Rayn as his main scumreads earlier, for example, is just not a winning play for scum when they're never getting lynched here.

We townread this experienced player because TONE and HE WOULDNT WEAR PANTS IN HIS HEAD IF HE WAS SCUM RIGHT ????

Now can you two can link me ONE time in any town game a moment where someone else ask you to explain your reasonning, and you MAKE UP A NEW ONE BEFORE REALIZING IT WASNT IT ?

And here is how they reacted to "me playing dirty":

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There is a difference on their reactions to the same type of post, that they should react to the same; the only different thing is the context, as after the first post they had decided I was scum, and after the second one they had decided I might be town. Someone having different reactions based on what they have decided is likely to be scum.

GreYMisT

United States6736 Posts

December 16 2015 22:21 GMT

#825

I really dont like playing with hydras

DarthPunk

Australia10857 Posts

December 17 2015 08:03 GMT

#826

Sorry I was afk at EoD I overslept because I stayed up so late and had a shitstorm at work so I only just got home.

Anyway I am very surprised that rels is scum and I think he played it really well.

DarthPunk

Australia10857 Posts

December 17 2015 08:04 GMT

#827

At this point there is no way Rayn is scum over rels and if Rayn IS scum he deserves the win.

DarthPunk

Australia10857 Posts

December 17 2015 08:11 GMT

#828

I also have the next three days off so i should be round quite a bit more than usual.

Rels

France13467 Posts

December 17 2015 08:30 GMT

#829

mm since we have a nice intermission before shit going down, I will take a moment to calm down. I was super mad the whole day yesterday and it's time to relax.

Here is a great song by a great band:

Rels

France13467 Posts

December 17 2015 08:31 GMT

#830

rayn when you're around, poke me

DarthPunk

Australia10857 Posts

December 17 2015 08:41 GMT

#831

On December 17 2015 17:31 Rels wrote:
rayn when you're around, poke me

You don't want to talk to me?

Rels

France13467 Posts

December 17 2015 08:42 GMT

#832

On December 17 2015 17:41 DarthPunk wrote:

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You don't want to talk to me?

Sure bro, what do you want to talk about ?

DarthPunk

Australia10857 Posts

December 17 2015 08:52 GMT

#833

On December 17 2015 17:42 Rels wrote:

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Sure bro, what do you want to talk about ?

I really like the way you play for starters you have done an excellent job this game. I really thought you were town for the way you fanatically pushed RSO. It's kinda of shocking that you are mafia actually.

How long have you been playing mafia for?

Rels

France13467 Posts

December 17 2015 09:06 GMT

#834

On December 17 2015 17:52 DarthPunk wrote:

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Bastard. There is no praise in that post since I'm not scum. This is a hidden slap to my face p:
8 month BTW. I still have no idea how to detect town and scum mindset apparently. Your posts all seem town motivated to me, apart the martyring ones that rayn loved so much.

Rels

France13467 Posts

December 17 2015 09:09 GMT

#835

On December 17 2015 17:04 DarthPunk wrote:
At this point there is no way Rayn is scum over rels and if Rayn IS scum he deserves the win.

This is a way of thinking I've been fighting BTW. Only lazy townies and scum think like that. I thought that yesterday when we lynched artasoul: "at least I'm not losing to them being scum", but I wanna win.

DarthPunk

Australia10857 Posts

December 17 2015 09:10 GMT

#836

On December 17 2015 18:06 Rels wrote:

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The matyring was legit. And so was the praise.

This is my last game and I really would have been fine being lynched. And I really do think you have played really well. You remind me of myself for real.

DarthPunk

Australia10857 Posts

December 17 2015 09:11 GMT

#837

obviously you are not going to admit to it all being real. But really, in post game lets chat about mafia.

Rels

France13467 Posts

December 17 2015 09:13 GMT

#838

On December 17 2015 18:10 DarthPunk wrote:

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Let's imagine you're scum. You are the most objectively scummy person in the game. But you win because you make a bullshit emotionnal post. Would you be happy with your win ?

DarthPunk

Australia10857 Posts

December 17 2015 09:14 GMT

#839

On December 17 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:

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At some point you just have to trust in your biggest town read though or the scumhunting becomes too difficult IMO`

DarthPunk

Australia10857 Posts

December 17 2015 09:14 GMT

#840

On December 17 2015 18:13 Rels wrote:

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Let's imagine you're scum. You are the most objectively scummy person in the game. But you win because you make a bullshit emotionnal post. Would you be happy with your win ?

not at all.

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