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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 18 2015 22:44 GMT
#1238
On December 19 2015 06:45 GiygaS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 06:41 Tictock wrote:
On December 19 2015 06:28 GiygaS wrote:
Weird timeline thing with rels:
- He makes meta case on LS
- I make a post about it
- He reads through the thread (the infamous caps post), then makes post saying LS is town
- OMGUS' on me

Ugh, I've been so fucking wishywashy with this, but I'm going to vote Rels

##Vote Rels


I'd like to check this, which posts are you referring to?


#269
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 08:05 Rels wrote:
I stayed up for posting this. I thought the deadline was 1 hour earlier.

Here is LS filter from the game I just played, in which he was town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/498635-dark-tournament-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike

Here is his filter from this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=LightningStrike

It's a schocking difference. LS as town in dark tournament mafia posted reads, questionned stuff and overall looked to solve the game. In this game, he had NO game-related post until I asked him for a list of reads.

I think this guy is scum.
##Vote LightningStrike


#357
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 15:35 GiygaS wrote:
Still looking over everyone, but I'm sort of stuck on rels. Like I just don't understand his play coming from an experienced player (at least I presume he is based on posts). Like in addition to the things Koshi already said about him, his question seemed to go towards this weird meta-lynch on LS. Like look at this post:

On December 15 2015 08:05 Rels wrote:
I stayed up for posting this. I thought the deadline was 1 hour earlier.

Here is LS filter from the game I just played, in which he was town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/498635-dark-tournament-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike

Here is his filter from this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=LightningStrike

It's a schocking difference. LS as town in dark tournament mafia posted reads, questionned stuff and overall looked to solve the game. In this game, he had NO game-related post until I asked him for a list of reads.

I think this guy is scum.
##Vote LightningStrike


There's 9 hours between this post and LS replying to his list. In these 9 hours, LS is pretty on top of things, his content isn't isolated to this list that was requested, and they're pretty relevant to the game. I don't think LS is particularly townie, but this is a pretty bullshit case on him.

It just feels like rels posted a weird question and then wanted to attach meaning to it so he put up this weird argument that doesn't even make sense. He even ignored that already noted scummy post from LS (the one where he's talking about conserving posts for the filter), the dude he's talking about.


#369
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 18:03 Rels wrote:
On December 15 2015 09:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 15 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:
Ls why should I not vote you ^^. Will be home to read and bomb soon

JESUS CHRIST I TOWN THIS GAME TOO THATS WHY. .....LIKE YOU JUST PLAYED WITH ME WHEN I HAD A TERRIBLE DAY 1. Anyways just got done with my last final and will read what I missed after that post.

Fuck he's probably town
##Unvote


373
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 18:14 Rels wrote:
On December 15 2015 15:35 GiygaS wrote:
Still looking over everyone, but I'm sort of stuck on rels. Like I just don't understand his play coming from an experienced player (at least I presume he is based on posts). Like in addition to the things Koshi already said about him, his question seemed to go towards this weird meta-lynch on LS. Like look at this post:

On December 15 2015 08:05 Rels wrote:
I stayed up for posting this. I thought the deadline was 1 hour earlier.

Here is LS filter from the game I just played, in which he was town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/498635-dark-tournament-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike

Here is his filter from this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=LightningStrike

It's a schocking difference. LS as town in dark tournament mafia posted reads, questionned stuff and overall looked to solve the game. In this game, he had NO game-related post until I asked him for a list of reads.

I think this guy is scum.
##Vote LightningStrike


There's 9 hours between this post and LS replying to his list. In these 9 hours, LS is pretty on top of things, his content isn't isolated to this list that was requested, and they're pretty relevant to the game. I don't think LS is particularly townie, but this is a pretty bullshit case on him.

It just feels like rels posted a weird question and then wanted to attach meaning to it so he put up this weird argument that doesn't even make sense. He even ignored that already noted scummy post from LS (the one where he's talking about conserving posts for the filter), the dude he's talking about.

Here is the content LS produced between my question and my accution in those 9 hours, excluding the posts that answer to me:
On December 15 2015 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry I been conserving my posts a little bit more as I had 1 page of posts already so I trying to limit myself a little bit now. But Koshi pretty much town for me atm. Also Damdred if you are here can you give me your thoughts on TT or other The smurf guy please?

On December 15 2015 07:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 15 2015 07:52 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2015 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry I been conserving my posts a little bit more as I had 1 page of posts already so I trying to limit myself a little bit now. But Koshi pretty much town for me atm. Also Damdred if you are here can you give me your thoughts on TT or other The smurf guy please?


this is a very bad post. clearly reading the thread, clearly hyper aware of the post limit, has a motive for not posting frequently; yet in his hello senpai post he elects to give no content of his own and simply defers all content to damdred. i noticed you, even if no one else did.

I gave a read in that post plus asking Damdred about you?

On December 15 2015 07:58 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 15 2015 07:56 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2015 07:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 15 2015 07:52 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2015 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry I been conserving my posts a little bit more as I had 1 page of posts already so I trying to limit myself a little bit now. But Koshi pretty much town for me atm. Also Damdred if you are here can you give me your thoughts on TT or other The smurf guy please?


this is a very bad post. clearly reading the thread, clearly hyper aware of the post limit, has a motive for not posting frequently; yet in his hello senpai post he elects to give no content of his own and simply defers all content to damdred. i noticed you, even if no one else did.

I gave a read in that post plus asking Damdred about you?


you gave a 0 content town read on the guy spamming the thread who is probably never getting lynched on day 1 and whom the person who's opinion you're deferring to said he is never lynching day 1. it is the easiest read to just make offhand.

I had him null leaning town and was giving a update on my read on him.......................

On December 15 2015 08:03 LightningStrike wrote:
FYI I just finished a game+ Show Spoiler +
I won as VT
and can now focus more on this game now! Anyways I do think ritoky is town atm with his questioning towards.

You dirty liar.
##Vote GiygaS


Oh ok, I had seen this.

I thought you meant you had seen LS's Caps post and thought he was town, then Rels attacked you for it but had the same read. Which would be pretty scummy, but thats not what happened here.

Rels was pushing you here kus you said there was no posts from LS between his meta case and meta-unvote. Then showed that there was and called you a liar.

Like sure maybe thats scum!Rels throwing OMGUS onto you, but I can easily see town!Rels doing the exact same thing.

In both cases (LS and Gigas) Rels eventually backed down and gave them townreads. Assuming you two are both town this would mean scum!Rels is giving up 2 potential mislynches in you two.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 18 2015 22:45 GMT
#1240
On December 19 2015 07:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Is this a tinfoil hat party? If so I brought mine here:
[image loading]


Lmao.

I need both the things that guy has.

Maybe 3 things if you count the priceless expression on his face.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 18 2015 22:47 GMT
#1244
On December 19 2015 07:43 Shapelog wrote:
Vobby still is a no show btw....
@damred, personally i think the info from Rels flip is better for all the reasoning you just said and them some.
@everyone Going to restrict my posting for EOD. (11 page filter lol. 11-6 or 7 = 5/4 pages of filter today) Unless i see something big that i have to point out. Saying this so you guys do not think i am being inactive.


##Donate 10 posts to Shape

For the WIFOM ^.^
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 18 2015 22:49 GMT
#1247
On December 19 2015 07:45 Damdred wrote:
But yeah a Rels lynch even if I disagree (I have nothing better) is more information for the game.



What have you done with the Towndred I know?

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 18 2015 22:52 GMT
#1248
10 min to go.

Time for potential shenannies.

I'm actually slightly feeling Damdred over Vivax right now, but idk.

Actually tbh I'm comfortable over here on the Koshi wagon. Plenty of room, and there is cookies!
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 18 2015 22:54 GMT
#1252
On December 19 2015 07:52 Damdred wrote:
Well a small part of me Tt wants to be right d1 when I wasn't totally rolled into,the ground from work. And the logical part of me knows that after some sleep I can try to put the pieces together tomorrow either way.

But I'm just tired and aggravated from the holiday season which is horrible,in all food industries


What does this mean. You want to lynch Vivax?

Or does this mean you want to lynch Kush kus he was your target D1 before the shenannies...
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 18 2015 22:56 GMT
#1253
On December 19 2015 07:53 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 07:52 Tictock wrote:
10 min to go.

Time for potential shenannies.

I'm actually slightly feeling Damdred over Vivax right now, but idk.

Actually tbh I'm comfortable over here on the Koshi wagon. Plenty of room, and there is cookies!

I hope you are mafia.


You don't wanna shenannie Damdred here?

Fine, but if you are wrong about Rels I'm coming after you pretty hard Koshi.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 18 2015 22:57 GMT
#1258
Everybody left but me Koshi and Damdred, and they are my top lynch options atm. Lame.

I still prefer Koshi over Damdred.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 18 2015 22:58 GMT
#1262
On December 19 2015 07:56 Koshi wrote:
tt you are dropping so fucking fast to mafia category. Pretty sick.

Holy fuck you make an entire case on the person you are going to shoot????

How fucking hardtry is that?


OMGUS is a mafia trait right?

Kus thats what you've been arguing about Rels, but now your doing it to me...
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 18 2015 23:10 GMT
#1277
Well...

I know I said I was coming after Koshi hard, but tbh Damdred looks really bad off of that.

Like it's shit play as mafia too, but it's really shit as town that he voted onto Rels when he said he thought it was a bad lynch.

I'm gunna take a break and reread that EoD later tonight. It's actually more likely someone who just jumped on Rels for no real reason is mafia than Koshi being mafia and leading a mislynch all day for such bad reasons. I'll see what I think when I reread.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 18 2015 23:12 GMT
#1280
On December 19 2015 08:07 Koshi wrote:
yeah knew it in the end. too many people were making completely retarded cases on me based on this and the fact I didn't lynch Damdred.


gg. Tomorrow you can ml me. I will vote Damdred and then afk out the game. might be last ml. But I don't make any more posts in this game. The town will have to know I am town. If they don't. It's ok.


If you are Town here Koshi you won't do this.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 18 2015 23:14 GMT
#1282
On December 19 2015 08:11 Koshi wrote:
Damdred/TT/Vivax

gg wp


Yea kus I'm fucking mafia here bussing all my teammates.

You are the fucking king of Nonsense Koshi.

And why the hell are you only talking in terms of Teams when we haven't lynched mafia yet?

Gah, it's like you want me to tunnel you.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 18 2015 23:32 GMT
#1289
Damdred, why you no post towny things before EoD?

Humm your PoE list isn't bad.

Bleh idk you are making it really hard to read you this game.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 18 2015 23:49 GMT
#1292
I thought about this randomly and decided it would be fun.

##Donte 5 posts to Koshi

Fight me bro.

No more handouts from me.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 19 2015 20:09 GMT
#1323
On December 19 2015 05:49 GiygaS wrote:
Some things that irk me about Koshi:
- General confidence early game about townreads

- He goes from sure on me being scum (for a very bizarre reason but still very sure) to very confident I'm town because I backed off of two things, said I don't have any scumreads and gave him links to my previous game. He later states that he got a townread on me because it doesn't seem I'm on a team for the above reasons but ehhh.

- He's getting on Damdred for his EoD1 move, but hasn't brought up TT at all in that respect. He also simultaneously thinks kush is town, which is said so many times doesn't matter. Let's go over his reasons why Damdred did what he did from a mafia perspective (thoughts in bold):
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 10:30 Koshi wrote:
1) pretend to care about the lynch This could equally be town or mafia.
2) put suspicion on saved person. This is possible, but he would have to think that this puts a ton of suspicion on himself as well.
3) save teammate But you think kush is town. His move wouldn't have even saved kush unless TT hammered
4) wifom in every shape or form So it's a null read
5) yolo plays to look town So it's a null read

5 different reasons why mafia could do it. There are kore and some can be split up further.


I am sleeping 0229

Everybody who townreads damdred is a bad player.

So his move is either a null read or he's going for a very high-risk low-reward play at EoD.

- Calls GB town because he seems like a carefree town. Then swaps after drunk posts from GB that don't mean anything (these were only the only posts between tr->sr from GB).

- Reason he moved from TT to GB: because TT was posting (not backing off his scum tell), and GB was a liability. This seems like a bs reason abandon his TT lynch. During this swap, he moved GB to scum read, but he voted GB not because he had a scumread, but because GB was a liability.

- Had TT as a town read the next day because "There is no fucking way mafia!TT decided to be so active before the lynch and then made that ritoky is mafia case right before they shot ritoky." Later on the page he admits this is a wifom null read, and has very good reasons to scumread TT. So then why did he list him as town?

- points sukrit/onegu already brought up

Going to read through tt and then ls next. When I was reading through kush he seemed to bring up some good points. I don't like the Rels case at all right now, seems mostly based on Shape tinfoil team theories and general misinformation.


This is actually a really good post from Gigas, I hadn't even thought about the point he's making (In bold) about Damdred's vote D1 implicating him.

My vote D1 got GB lynched over Kush, Damdred's vote opened that up for possibility. If Kush is mafia here both of us did things to save him right at EoD. From Koshi's perspective there should be no real difference in what we did as the results were the same.

I must resort to tinfoil how this might make sense:
+ Show Spoiler [tinfoil] +
Rit started attacking Damdred for his shenannies right away after EoD, and Rit is know to have a "Soul read" on Damdred that is peculiarly accurate.

So Rit being killed N1strongly implicates Damdred here, however it also implicates me as well since I was Rit's main scum read.

Now town!Koshi might look at Rit being killed and go "Well clearly Damdred benifits greatly from that shot, so he must be scum" but he should also be thinking the same thing about me, at least to some extent. Humm maybe this is Koshi's "Great reason to still scumread TT" that is mentioned in the same post Gig makes.

Still this worries me as I feel like the Rit kill was made just to push WIFOM on Damdred and I. So pushing this logic (which is tempting, but is still just WIFOM) does seem to benefit scum behavior more than town.


Still the thing that bugs me most about Koshi's play last phase wasn't his read on Damdred, it was how Koshi kept calling Damdred 85% guarenteed scum, or w/e, but it was how he basically only pushed Rels. (+ Show Spoiler [Damdred Vote] +
Yea sure Koshi voted Damdred at first, but he swapped to Rels at the drop of a hat.

On December 17 2015 18:31 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote Rels


Die in a fire. Damdred is mafia with you. But you are way likelier to be mafia. I should read this Damdred pressure on you btw. I missed it. I also missed you calling him mafia like the little omgusucker that you are.




Shape. Please stop mistyping GaygiS Khan his name. He will be mad.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
)

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 19 2015 20:26 GMT
#1325
On December 19 2015 05:01 Damdred wrote:
And when I flip town what then koshi? And hopefully rels does to


I still don't understand why Damdred has just given up this game.

He was pretty sure Rels was Town but still voted Rels?

Like I'm trying to look at how EoD went and why people voted the way they did.

Koshi's reads made it clear he should be voting Damdred, but he pushes Rels.

Damdred is pretty sure Rels is town, says he wants people to lynch him, votes Rels.

There were 5 people on the Rels wagon, if these 2 are town, we are fucked this game.

Ok actually it was 7 people on Rels, but there is a strong chance 2/3 mafia were on the Rels wagon here and these 2 are the first people I've looked at and they already look like they have to be the mafia here...

I'm a little unsure that scum!Koshi would drive a mislynch like this all day because he know this will make him look bad. Then again his reasoning is even more all over the place than I'm used too.

I started to run the tinfoil of Koshi and Damdred as a team, but that is actually never a thing. It only makes sense if they are playing a super bad/desperate scum game and I don't think they would. At most there is 1 mafia between them.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 19 2015 20:28 GMT
#1326
Btw I might not finish this kus I need to help a friend today.

My list post from EoD is mostly accurate.

If I get killed use that and whatever else I get down before I have to go as a sorta last will.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 19 2015 20:40 GMT
#1327
On December 19 2015 06:11 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 06:07 Tictock wrote:
On December 18 2015 23:38 Tubesock wrote:
On December 18 2015 23:29 Koshi wrote:
Yeah. For me there is a very good possibility that Kush/Rels/Damdred are mafia together and that Damded did a yolo play to save Kush.

There is something unholy about them.


I think TT ruined their play. If TT stayed on GiygaS then Kush dies.

Rels looks great for pushing him earlier.
Damdred looks good because the only correct answer is town does shenanies at the end.


This doesn't make a lot of sense, why would they bus a teammate like this? Why would Rels bus both teammates.

The team is not fucking Rels/Damdred/Kush!

Like maybe the stuff I said about how Damdred saw I was planning to vote GB and saw me suggest Vivax so tried to shennanie Vivax to save Kush. That's risky though kus if I had voted Vivax with Damdred then Kush gets lynched anyways.


Comptely agree because i been saying Damred and Rels team has been impossible/highly unlikely since EoD. Thought Koshius was going to learn.

I think our Lynch options today are: Rels Kouhius and Oengu. prob. in that order, but i might being bias on Rels. Idk i still think Kubrels is best lynch. Koshius lynch also reveals a lot of info as well if he flips scum. But if he is town, we kinda have a iffy situation where we can not afford to screw up.

On December 19 2015 06:15 Shapelog wrote:
idk acutrally about Koshius come to think about it. One part of me wants to lynch him because of shits, giggles, and because he is being irrational to the point of ripping my hair out. The other side says Rels flip info outweighs Koshius flip info. Could be wrong about the info flip.

Has Kubrels really posted anything yet? other than at koshius for voting him over damdred or something. Last thing i remember from him.


I'm not sure I like Shape's attitude about EoD at all.

He's agreeing with me that Damdred/Rels are never a thing.

He thinks Rels's flip is the best flip for information, but
But if he is town, we kinda have a iffy situation where we can not afford to screw up.


Which is kinda true about anyone flipping town, we don't get any real information until we flip mafia. I'm not sure what he means by this "situation where we cannot afford to screw up" I think we lynch Vivax who has basically claimed scum imo tomorrow, then we have 2 more lynches to find the rest.

Idk if I have time to look over Shapes filter to see exactly why he was scumreading Rels, but I kinda feel like it was due to Koshi and Tube's cases.

Posts like the ones I've quoted here just feel like he's fence sitting, but I know he's made other decent ones. Not convinced this is scummy, but worth noting.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 19 2015 21:01 GMT
#1328
So Shape posted this, which I think is rather good.

On December 19 2015 05:11 Shapelog wrote:
Ok i gone through his filter. 1st thing i want to bring up is his Rit town read.

Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 14:01 kushm4sta wrote:
hello dear friends. I was not expecting this game to start so quickly. The number of potential signups made me think this was a large game and that it would start nearer to christmas.

Should I ask for replacement? hmm no I think I would rather just piss everyone off with my minimal activity.

I'm going to placeholder on ritoky because i see his name up there and I recall him posting pics of miley cyrus.

Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 23:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Did a quick control-f for my name.
No, Koshi, I will not be useless. This level of activity looks like it will be quite manageable for me to keep up with.
Yes, GB,I do deserve your vote at this point in time. I hope to put some time into this game at lunch.

All I can say now is ritoky is obviously town, which is funny because I'm currently voting him.

Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 04:16 kushm4sta wrote:
On December 15 2015 04:06 Sukrit wrote:
Can you tell me why ritoky is townie kush? I have him completely null is there something you are seeing that I am not?

his long post where he sounds paranoid

On December 15 2015 03:38 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 15 2015 02:56 kushm4sta wrote:
On second thought after rereading his filter I'm not so sure I want to put gigas on my scum list yet. I will wait to see what his scumreads look like.

Gb, I'll vote for him when I get a chance. Unless he does something townie.


After re reading a 1 page filter? Wow that seems a lot to rethink huh


I don't what you mean here. What is scummy about what I said precisely?


I find his town read awkward. Like his main point for it was because Rik sounded paraiod in is post (which he didn't seem to me.) It is almost like he was trying to find a reason to town read him.
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On December 17 2015 08:46 kushm4sta wrote:
So that's got to look good for me right? A townie saved me.

And then says "The person i was town reading died, that good right?". It's weird IMO. Rational Shapelog says this is a coincidence, but irrational shapelog says this is mafia indicate. And that Surkitengo and Kush planed to kill Rik from day one.

Second point, Him and GiygaS khan:

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On December 17 2015 02:46 kushm4sta wrote:
On December 15 2015 02:58 GiygaS wrote:
I'll reread tt filter and see, but all I have is null or town reads on everyone, except a tiny lean on Koshi from meta that I haven't even experienced.


This read on koshi makes me think he's town. It is a very specific type of read. Very nuanced. Scum don't have nuanced reads like that.

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On December 17 2015 02:57 kushm4sta wrote:
Current scum reads are on tt (again, I really don't like that list of townread retraction with NAI stuff) and shape (holy shit that random asslist in to weird sukrit fos). Might get some more/less post-filters, but we'll see.


His scumreads look believable and so does his case on rels. Not saying they are right or wrong but they look like townie reads

So he is town reading GiygaS Khan.
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On December 18 2015 19:53 kushm4sta wrote:
Really not impressed with that exam schedule post. I'm sure it's true but the pressure want even on him. Scummy because he wants to take advantage of an irl excuse to its fullest. He could have just said I have exams.

Onegu no one wants your steam of consciousness. That does not help find scum.

Then calling his RL reasoning scum sus. He goes against all his defense for GiygaS Khan and calls him scummy. I feel this is a townie post. I can't really explain why, But run the case where they are a team. Why even post this? For town cred and bring sus. on a team mate. Heck lets look through this in the eyes of a kush as mafia and GiygaS as town, why go against one the people your town reading and bring sus. onto your self? To try to get a mislynch when everyone is set on either Rels or Vobby? Thats why i think this is a townie post, because it makes in a mafia shoes IMO.

Point 3: me
Scum->town->Town with chance of mafia
What do i mean?
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On December 19 2015 01:20 kushm4sta wrote:
Here's some tinfoily stuff.


On December 17 2015 09:36 Shapelog wrote:
Plus killing the person who is defending you seems like only a thing i do.

ritoky defended shape.

Do not think my actively is actually any alignment indicating for me. Would of been the same activeness roughly if I rolled mafia. Except maybe a bit thought out and better fleshed posts since i had a team to relay things. But then i prob. post dumb, dull, crap time to time because they weren't on lol.


what if shape is giving himself away here just as a little wink to himself

Again, why would mafia go after someone else at this point. Plus i am a sucker for tinfoil


So in conclusion, Kush is prob. town but as scummy posts.


His conclusion is rahter mixed, prob town but with scummy posts?

Looking at Kush's vote D2.
On December 19 2015 01:21 kushm4sta wrote:
gonna placeholder vivax bbl at lynch

On December 19 2015 02:39 kushm4sta wrote:
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On December 19 2015 02:36 Koshi wrote:
On December 17 2015 10:33 Tubesock wrote:
On December 17 2015 10:12 Shapelog wrote:
On December 17 2015 09:58 Tubesock wrote:
On December 17 2015 09:45 Shapelog wrote:
On December 17 2015 09:36 Tubesock wrote:
On December 17 2015 08:02 Shapelog wrote:
Welp, That happen.


That's funny shit.

I'm going to admit I don't really understand much of your big list post. Why do LS and Damdred have to be on the same team? Why can't they be budding the other? You seem to tie them together but you have Damdred more towny than LS. I feel the opposite. I think LS has added more thought to the game. The only thing Damdred did I think is towny is scum Rels and that's probably just because Rels cased him. Can you more explain your town read on Damdred?

The rest of your associative reads, seems they all preclude that every shitfight 2 players have here are town vs mafia. I read this post and thought you don't think town fights town. That's not true is it?


I'm starting to rethink my position on damdred. Earlier on in the EoD, i posted it didn't make much sense if he was mafia and the wagons were both town to do it. Why draw the attention onto himself? But i'm starting to see what Koshius and other people are saying about him. I will look at him in Dark tournament and compare his town game from that to here.

And no town does fight town time to time (Should know from TT and Vobby wagons from Haunted mansion). Thanks for bringing this up. I ponder about it with kush. Like it can see it from both sides of the flip. Idk, i just posted that I won't be tunneling the mafia vs town stuff on him for the time being,

You been quiet btw. Go any ideas about anything? list, scums teams, anything?


My last list post I posted before going to bed 10 hours ago is essentially unchanged. Rels is now lower. Ritoky I should put in green but to be funny I'd keep him lower than Koshi because he didn't use Caps Lock or even held his shift key like a real baller.

So uh apparently you missed my last couple of posts.


Yeah i did miss it. Just looked into your filter and found #719 (your list). I remember seeing the case about you made against Rels now. I didn't really paid attention once it got to the town/mafia meta Rels part, since i'm not the one who should make/back up a meta case. And decided to come back to it later and keep pushing/tunneling. Will add Rels filter from dark tournament also to my read list tonight. I read the post now, But i going to reread what he said during the time he called you scum.


My town/mafiaRels isn't really all that about meta. I mean it IS but it's not like necessarily Rels specific. Hard to explain. I've seen Rels in like 3 games. He was try hard and forceful in all, both as mafia and town. I respect his play, I think he's a strong player. It's not a meta read where it's like "Well, X person uses 15 smiley faces per paragraph, and this game she's doing 5" It's more like mafia Rels doesn't HAVE to go after it all the time. But town Rels basically does.

In any case, disregard the meta bit. Do you think he's solving the game or attacking easy targets or only people who look at him? We can argue the semantics if Damdred is an easy target or not later. I'm even willing to concede Damdred is no easy target. My point still stands.

Do you like this read Kush? Is it legit?


I don't know about rels.
There Tube is using shit meta. I don't think it's a Scummy read tho

On December 19 2015 02:44 kushm4sta wrote:
Rels Damdred ls Gigas vivax are all on my maybe list

On December 19 2015 02:54 kushm4sta wrote:
Yah I'm going over rels filter again now. I think I could lynch him.


Is pretty poor reasoning. And that's a pretty long maybe list for all the townreading he was doing earlier on...

Kush might well be Mafia here.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
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December 19 2015 21:04 GMT
#1329
I'm out of time, but last thoughts (trying to get em all out there)

Tube put some effort into that lynch, he's kinda like Koshi but with less weird stuff going on.

LS and Gigas were rather unispired voted. Gig only had Rels as a scumread (from D1 even), LS just hopped on.

Both poor votes if town, but I kinda feel like it's NAI for these 2 players.

I think that's everyone on the Rels wagon.

Koshi, Damdred, and Kush are the ones who look the worst to me on it.

Sorry I gotta run.
I can take that responsibility.
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