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Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
December 18 2015 18:57 GMT
#1141
On December 19 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred can I get you to play bro? I believe in you bro!


I also too believe in you.

And yes LS i shall filter dive, might find something i do not like and he turns from scum to town. Just got to read and analyze it cohesively.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 18 2015 18:57 GMT
#1142
All today has been basically is stupid play trying to figure out teams when you haven't even flipped one of uscum.

Rels while he isn't the model of towniness looks town to me who's only spent maybe a hour or two in the game....

But meh id rather get lynched todya over rels shrug.
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 19:30 GMT
#1143
I'm around until EOD and then going to peace out probably for most of N2 to study. Going to read some filters and figure out wtf I think of the situation, after preliminary look at Rels filter I'm less sure on him. That and I'm already less sure of my TT and shape reads so I'll go over them and the Rels cases again to see what I was missing after going over filters. I feel like I'm back to like Day 1 where I had basically no scum reads.
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
December 18 2015 19:49 GMT
#1144
On December 19 2015 03:57 Damdred wrote:
All today has been basically is stupid play trying to figure out teams when you haven't even flipped one of uscum.

Rels while he isn't the model of towniness looks town to me who's only spent maybe a hour or two in the game....

But meh id rather get lynched todya over rels shrug.

Pls don't vote. Reading your bullshit is annoying.
I had a good night of sleep.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 18 2015 20:01 GMT
#1145
And when I flip town what then koshi? And hopefully rels does to
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 20:02 GMT
#1146
Rels did not OMGUS Dam. He had a case on him before dam even mentioned rels.
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
December 18 2015 20:11 GMT
#1147
Ok i gone through his filter. 1st thing i want to bring up is his Rit town read.

On December 14 2015 14:01 kushm4sta wrote:
hello dear friends. I was not expecting this game to start so quickly. The number of potential signups made me think this was a large game and that it would start nearer to christmas.

Should I ask for replacement? hmm no I think I would rather just piss everyone off with my minimal activity.

I'm going to placeholder on ritoky because i see his name up there and I recall him posting pics of miley cyrus.

On December 14 2015 23:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Did a quick control-f for my name.
No, Koshi, I will not be useless. This level of activity looks like it will be quite manageable for me to keep up with.
Yes, GB,I do deserve your vote at this point in time. I hope to put some time into this game at lunch.

All I can say now is ritoky is obviously town, which is funny because I'm currently voting him.

On December 15 2015 04:16 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 04:06 Sukrit wrote:
Can you tell me why ritoky is townie kush? I have him completely null is there something you are seeing that I am not?

his long post where he sounds paranoid

Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 03:38 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 15 2015 02:56 kushm4sta wrote:
On second thought after rereading his filter I'm not so sure I want to put gigas on my scum list yet. I will wait to see what his scumreads look like.

Gb, I'll vote for him when I get a chance. Unless he does something townie.


After re reading a 1 page filter? Wow that seems a lot to rethink huh


I don't what you mean here. What is scummy about what I said precisely?


I find his town read awkward. Like his main point for it was because Rik sounded paraiod in is post (which he didn't seem to me.) It is almost like he was trying to find a reason to town read him.
On December 17 2015 08:46 kushm4sta wrote:
So that's got to look good for me right? A townie saved me.

And then says "The person i was town reading died, that good right?". It's weird IMO. Rational Shapelog says this is a coincidence, but irrational shapelog says this is mafia indicate. And that Surkitengo and Kush planed to kill Rik from day one.

Second point, Him and GiygaS khan:

On December 17 2015 02:46 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 02:58 GiygaS wrote:
I'll reread tt filter and see, but all I have is null or town reads on everyone, except a tiny lean on Koshi from meta that I haven't even experienced.


This read on koshi makes me think he's town. It is a very specific type of read. Very nuanced. Scum don't have nuanced reads like that.

On December 17 2015 02:57 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
Current scum reads are on tt (again, I really don't like that list of townread retraction with NAI stuff) and shape (holy shit that random asslist in to weird sukrit fos). Might get some more/less post-filters, but we'll see.


His scumreads look believable and so does his case on rels. Not saying they are right or wrong but they look like townie reads

So he is town reading GiygaS Khan.
On December 18 2015 19:53 kushm4sta wrote:
Really not impressed with that exam schedule post. I'm sure it's true but the pressure want even on him. Scummy because he wants to take advantage of an irl excuse to its fullest. He could have just said I have exams.

Onegu no one wants your steam of consciousness. That does not help find scum.

Then calling his RL reasoning scum sus. He goes against all his defense for GiygaS Khan and calls him scummy. I feel this is a townie post. I can't really explain why, But run the case where they are a team. Why even post this? For town cred and bring sus. on a team mate. Heck lets look through this in the eyes of a kush as mafia and GiygaS as town, why go against one the people your town reading and bring sus. onto your self? To try to get a mislynch when everyone is set on either Rels or Vobby? Thats why i think this is a townie post, because it makes in a mafia shoes IMO.

Point 3: me
Scum->town->Town with chance of mafia
What do i mean?
On December 19 2015 01:20 kushm4sta wrote:
Here's some tinfoily stuff.


Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 09:36 Shapelog wrote:
Plus killing the person who is defending you seems like only a thing i do.

ritoky defended shape.

Show nested quote +
Do not think my actively is actually any alignment indicating for me. Would of been the same activeness roughly if I rolled mafia. Except maybe a bit thought out and better fleshed posts since i had a team to relay things. But then i prob. post dumb, dull, crap time to time because they weren't on lol.


what if shape is giving himself away here just as a little wink to himself

Again, why would mafia go after someone else at this point. Plus i am a sucker for tinfoil


So in conclusion, Kush is prob. town but as scummy posts.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
December 18 2015 20:12 GMT
#1148
On December 19 2015 05:01 Damdred wrote:
And when I flip town what then koshi? And hopefully rels does to

Then I am still better than you.
I had a good night of sleep.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
December 18 2015 20:20 GMT
#1149
Just woke up.

Apparently drunk me forgot to use the voting thread to Unvote. Fixed.

Catching up now.
I can take that responsibility.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 18 2015 20:20 GMT
#1150
On December 19 2015 05:02 GiygaS wrote:
Rels did not OMGUS Dam. He had a case on him before dam even mentioned rels.


Tgis is true

and loshi you are just a little bitch so its ok I forgive you.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
December 18 2015 20:33 GMT
#1151
On December 19 2015 05:20 Damdred wrote:


and loshi you are just a little bitch so its ok I forgive you.



+1
Try TL Mafia!!!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
December 18 2015 20:38 GMT
#1152
Fuck I forgot no trolling ignore my previous post.

Koshi I have played serious games you were in some of them, then some asshole pissed me off in the game I put the most effort in my mafia life. So I decided it was more important to enjoy myself.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
December 18 2015 20:44 GMT
#1153
On December 18 2015 20:05 Sukrit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 05:51 Tubesock wrote:
On December 16 2015 07:51 Sukrit wrote:
Kush is a terrible lynch. I agree with GB's reads so I dont really want to lynch him. At this point it is TT for me.

##unvote

##Vote: Ticktock


On December 16 2015 13:48 Sukrit wrote:
On December 16 2015 04:18 Koshi wrote:
Onegu.

Let's be honest here.

I read you filter.

It is filled with randomness and koshi accusation.

I see 1 read on TT, and I see some Shape pressure. The Shape thing is not bad, I don't think he is mafia, but the pressure is not horrible.




Anyway. I promise to not go off on you in this game anymore. And I will my VERY BEST to help you solve this game.




The best help I can give you is to stop focusing on me. I am not mafia. You can still push me as much as you want, but I will not reply to it too much, I will just explain myself, but if you want your filter to look good endgame, you really should stop.



Last game I tried to tilt you. And I deserve some of what I got here because of it. This game I am not trolling, I am not trying to make you upset. And I will continue to not troll this game.

I am not ready to drop my scummy read on you. But I am not really interested in lynching you tomorrow either. I prolly should have voted kush I would have rather lost him than GB but meh. Vivax was maybe the best lynch option and was put up way to late.

In the past I have enjoyed playing with you koshi and hope to still enjoy playing with you in the future but comeon.

I am not giving up my shape read. Onegu gut read!


Can you talk about the underline. Why did you oppose the Kush lynch during it, never say anything about not wanting to lynch GB and then say you would have rather lost Kush? Seems like you were there throughout it.

Also, has the gut read changed on Shape?



Will post here. Not my big post.

Kush is never a good day one lynch. Basically you will never figure him out and it is 26% or what ever the percentage is for rolling scum this game what 3/13. I thought GB was town as all of his reads completely matched mine. I had a town read on GB. And if I had to choose between GB still being in the game or kush I would take GB as he is more likely to figure the game out and actually get the scum lynched where kush no offense has the same problem I do. We cant get people lynched even when we figure the game out.

And yes I still really dont like shape. I think he has plenty of free time and typeing walls of text isnt hard for him/her. He is rsoultin I am sure.

Rsoultin=Scum

Shape=Scum


I really don't think this is true. This seems like a really bad assumption to make.

Onegu I'm really not following your thinking here at all.

You say Shape is Rsoul, thus is mafia and
I think shape is a rsoultin smurf and I have stopped reading her posts...


Like you have no proof, aren't trying to show why this is true, but are immediately using this smurf idea to tunnel and ignore Shape.

You are doing kinda the same thing with Koshi.

Koshi proven wrong and still doesnt back off... Could get on the koshi is mafia train. Wait I have been on it for a while.


I kinda get this, and it's true Koshi isn't making a lot of sense, but can you explain your thinking a bit better?

Like what differentiates town!Koshi from scum!Koshi? Koshi's play looks a lot like his Town game from Mansion, but tbh I've never looked at his scum games.

I agree with some of your stream of thoughts post, but it's looking to me like you are forcing yourself to stay tunneled on Shape and Koshi with these half-assed reasons that you don't try to backup.

I know you and Koshi will probably tunnel each other regardless of alignment (+ Show Spoiler [tinfoil] +
In fact, I could actually see Koshi and Onegu shit fight each other as scum just to shit up the thread and keep in line with expectations.
but you really need to do more than:
Then plz lynch me. I dont have the clout to lynch you. If people didnt know I was onegu still then maybe I could have gotten you lynched. You are scum and you are going to mislynch me and that is fine would prefer if it was today.

Your read on me has going I am 100% scum to I am town and to help you figure the game out back to I am mafia. Your read progression makes zero sense and you have no reason to scum read me other than the fact that I have figured you out.


Like Koshi did the same shit as town last game, why wouldn't he do it now? You could probably flip the bolded around too because you seem to always push Koshi.

Idk, last game I felt like Onegu was pushing Koshi's buttons just kus he could. This is feeling more like Onegu is just pushing Koshi kus he feels like he should and is inventing reasons to tunnel Shape.

I still need to finish my catchup, but I'm thinking Onegu is a solid lynch based off these shit reasons to tunnel people.

Funny thing though, I kinda agree about Koshi he's not making much sense today pushing a team of Rels/Damdred/Kush and wanting to lynch Rels who is the least likely member of that team.
I can take that responsibility.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
December 18 2015 20:44 GMT
#1154
On December 19 2015 05:20 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 05:02 GiygaS wrote:
Rels did not OMGUS Dam. He had a case on him before dam even mentioned rels.


Tgis is true

and loshi you are just a little bitch so its ok I forgive you.


This kind of post is not acceptable. You have been warned.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
December 18 2015 20:47 GMT
#1155
On December 18 2015 21:39 GiygaS wrote:
Can you give more reasoning for wanting to lunch koshi beyond his changed thoughts? His thought process change is completely believable imo based on you two's history/his full on tilt mode yesterday.


Noted that you had the exact same reaction to that post as I did.

Maybe I've been wrong about Gigas. Between continuing to post after making excuses that he wont have time, and showing that he's thinking through things without rushing to conclusions, I'm gunna move him to a null/townlean.

Would still like more developed Reads from ya Gig.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
December 18 2015 20:48 GMT
#1156
On December 18 2015 21:57 Sukrit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 21:39 GiygaS wrote:
Can you give more reasoning for wanting to lunch koshi beyond his changed thoughts? His thought process change is completely believable imo based on you two's history/his full on tilt mode yesterday.



How is his thought process believable. He goes from holy shit onegu is scum because of that case kill with fire. To Onegu is town I will do my very best to help figure the game out with him. Back to onegu is scum for the same reason. No reasons changed.


Which Koshi did all of last game as Town... so?
I can take that responsibility.
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 20:49 GMT
#1157
Some things that irk me about Koshi:
- General confidence early game about townreads

- He goes from sure on me being scum (for a very bizarre reason but still very sure) to very confident I'm town because I backed off of two things, said I don't have any scumreads and gave him links to my previous game. He later states that he got a townread on me because it doesn't seem I'm on a team for the above reasons but ehhh.

- He's getting on Damdred for his EoD1 move, but hasn't brought up TT at all in that respect. He also simultaneously thinks kush is town, which is said so many times doesn't matter. Let's go over his reasons why Damdred did what he did from a mafia perspective (thoughts in bold):
On December 18 2015 10:30 Koshi wrote:
1) pretend to care about the lynch This could equally be town or mafia.
2) put suspicion on saved person. This is possible, but he would have to think that this puts a ton of suspicion on himself as well.
3) save teammate But you think kush is town. His move wouldn't have even saved kush unless TT hammered
4) wifom in every shape or form So it's a null read
5) yolo plays to look town So it's a null read

5 different reasons why mafia could do it. There are kore and some can be split up further.


I am sleeping 0229

Everybody who townreads damdred is a bad player.

So his move is either a null read or he's going for a very high-risk low-reward play at EoD.

- Calls GB town because he seems like a carefree town. Then swaps after drunk posts from GB that don't mean anything (these were only the only posts between tr->sr from GB).

- Reason he moved from TT to GB: because TT was posting (not backing off his scum tell), and GB was a liability. This seems like a bs reason abandon his TT lynch. During this swap, he moved GB to scum read, but he voted GB not because he had a scumread, but because GB was a liability.

- Had TT as a town read the next day because "There is no fucking way mafia!TT decided to be so active before the lynch and then made that ritoky is mafia case right before they shot ritoky." Later on the page he admits this is a wifom null read, and has very good reasons to scumread TT. So then why did he list him as town?

- points sukrit/onegu already brought up

Going to read through tt and then ls next. When I was reading through kush he seemed to bring up some good points. I don't like the Rels case at all right now, seems mostly based on Shape tinfoil team theories and general misinformation.
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
December 18 2015 20:56 GMT
#1158
On December 18 2015 22:13 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 18:01 Tictock wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:09 Koshi wrote:
I ll keep my filter low this game. Just going to focus on cases and finding mafia.
Not making excuses but my game might be trash.
We will see. But I will not be buddied.

disclaimer: don't expect too much though. Will probably still be pretty low content stuff.


Koshi now with an 8 page filter... Lol

On December 16 2015 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Vivax is impossble and fucking no information in there if he flips town. What the fuck are you doing Damdred. You fucker.


Koshi why do you keep siding with Vivax based on nothing? I know you did this last game as town, but there he at least went bonkers when I pushed him. What has he done to deserve you defending him like you have this game?

Also you've ebeen pretty sure Rels and Damred are mafia together today, but I think I showed why thats not possible in my big wall back there.

What do you think about them now?

Vivax could be mafia. But he also could be town.

Remember how in last game I actually found that GB could not be mafia because of the fefe fiter? And that Chrom was most likely mafia from the fefe filter?
Retarded as I am, I didn't follow that information, BUT, that kind of information is HUGE. Also, I think there is a very good chance Damdred flips mafia, Vivax is like 60% due to PoE.

Damdred is 60% due to PoE and I got brilliant reasons.


So then why are you LYNCHING RELS!?!?!

I can see a possible team of Damdred/Kush +1 from the way EoD went. Even though I wasn't voting between the wagons yet I had said I would likely vote GB, so there is a slim chance that scum!Damdred saw that as a chance to save his teammate!Kush and tried to shenannies to put GB in the lead after my vote. It's a little far fetched, but I could see it happening. There is a few other things that actually support this, such as Rit's NK, and the change in behavior from both Damdred and Kush (kush getting more active, Damdred sinking more into the shadows).

Rels makes no sense though. Your saing Rels decided to bus both his teammates D1, I don't buy it. Rels has a history of finding alternative lynches and protecting his teammates. I guess maybe he could purposefully make that change to his meta but it seems like such poor mafia play... I don't buy it, not from Rels.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
December 18 2015 20:59 GMT
#1159
On December 18 2015 22:33 Koshi wrote:
I hope you are town Onegu. I would enjoy actually seeing you play a game as town. Then you can realize how hard actually playing is. I do not believe rsoultin is so insanely crazy to play as Shape is doing. Totally different stuff.




Damdred is mafia. +85%

Rels is maybe mafia. But he actually also has pushed the people I think most likely are mafia. Maybe Rels is their powerrole, but I am not going to go into WIFOM lane and I prefer not to lynch Rels atm. Even though the cases on him are believable.

Vivax could very well be mafia. But he is not worth lynching in this stage of the game for me. Maybe somebody can shoot him?

Kush is looking less and less mafia. But I think he still can be. I cannot shake the feeling he was saved EoD1. I do not think he is mafia with Rels though.

Onegu..................................................... I don't know. I just can't read him it seems. You people decide on him. I would lynch him.

TT. The reason why TT is mafia: He hasn't solved the game in his mind yet. Or isn't pushing for the solution of the game. I know he does that as town. Just like I do it, I want people to follow my solution. TT normally does the same. But dnu if I want to lynch.

Tubesock. I don't think he is mafia. But he is like... the most possible after all these others?


others are town



Why I don't want to lynch Rels yet:
- Rels is being scumread by TT (and Tubesock) and voted Kush, while Kush was saved by TT and Damdred.

Somewhere it could be that Rels/TT/Kush are mafia... and then TT saved Kush while Damdred was being pants on head. But because TT is more townie than Damdred, and because EoD1 I think it is way more likely Damdred is mafia. Also general posting of TT >>>> Damdred.


all in all... I know I haven't solved the game 100% certain yet. And all my uncertainties kinda push a Rels lynch.... So... I kinda push against that now.




Another good reason why Onegu is mafia, he already said a couple times this:
If we lynch this guy and he flips this alignment then Koshi is this alignment.

You need to fill in names and alignments but I remember him saying:
if we lynch TT and TT is scum, koshi is town.
if we lynch Rels and Rels is town, we lynch Koshi.

And these sentences make me VERY WARY of Onegu................


WTF. Again Koshi is saying he is very sure Damdred is mafia, and here even says he's uncertain about Rels.

But he's still voting Rels!?!
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
December 18 2015 21:02 GMT
#1160
On December 18 2015 23:29 Koshi wrote:
Yeah. For me there is a very good possibility that Kush/Rels/Damdred are mafia together and that Damded did a yolo play to save Kush.

There is something unholy about them.


Thats it, this makes no sense. I've brought up plenty of evidence as to why this team can't be possible and Koshi keeps pushing it anyways.

He's super certain about Damdred, and is voting Rels.

This is a new level of nonsense from Koshi, I don't buy it.

##Vote: Koshi
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