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Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 15 2015 22:39 GMT
#625
I really dont like the kush wagon. Kush always looks bad day 1. Really dont want to lynch him today...
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 15 2015 22:43 GMT
#628
On December 16 2015 07:03 GlowingBear wrote:
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On December 16 2015 06:59 Shapelog wrote:
Alright everyone we were going to lynch showed up except Kush.
TT
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I am not confinde in him yet. I unvoted so i could hear his agurment against Rik. Not sure about him, i been having a scummy/null feeling about him. His posts when he came back i admit feels rushed, But might be because he felt pressure from lynch? idk, but he starting to look like he did in Haunted mason

Damred
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RL stuff, Want Bomb

GB
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Again RL stuff. However, weaker case vs Damred because he had sunday to post and his posts seems lackluster. Might just be him on D1 who knows


I say if Kush doesn't come we lynch him

You're Mafia



I agree... But dont think we can lynch him.
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 15 2015 22:51 GMT
#642
Kush is a terrible lynch. I agree with GB's reads so I dont really want to lynch him. At this point it is TT for me.

##unvote

##Vote: Ticktock
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 15 2015 22:52 GMT
#645
LS Kush is a terrible lynch.
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 15 2015 22:54 GMT
#650
On December 16 2015 07:52 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 16 2015 07:52 Sukrit wrote:
LS Kush is a terrible lynch.

Why is it a bad lynch?



Because this is how he looks as town.
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 15 2015 22:56 GMT
#659
On December 16 2015 07:56 Damdred wrote:
Why aren't we lynching vivax he's probably scum bah I didn't realize he was I. Game



Would lynch him over kush.
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 16 2015 04:48 GMT
#709
On December 16 2015 04:18 Koshi wrote:
Onegu.

Let's be honest here.

I read you filter.

It is filled with randomness and koshi accusation.

I see 1 read on TT, and I see some Shape pressure. The Shape thing is not bad, I don't think he is mafia, but the pressure is not horrible.




Anyway. I promise to not go off on you in this game anymore. And I will my VERY BEST to help you solve this game.




The best help I can give you is to stop focusing on me. I am not mafia. You can still push me as much as you want, but I will not reply to it too much, I will just explain myself, but if you want your filter to look good endgame, you really should stop.



Last game I tried to tilt you. And I deserve some of what I got here because of it. This game I am not trolling, I am not trying to make you upset. And I will continue to not troll this game.

I am not ready to drop my scummy read on you. But I am not really interested in lynching you tomorrow either. I prolly should have voted kush I would have rather lost him than GB but meh. Vivax was maybe the best lynch option and was put up way to late.

In the past I have enjoyed playing with you koshi and hope to still enjoy playing with you in the future but comeon.

I am not giving up my shape read. Onegu gut read!
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 17 2015 04:08 GMT
#832
I will have free time in a bit and read everything. Ritoky is a really random kill imo.
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 18 2015 10:29 GMT
#1059
Making a huge post to give stream of thoughts on game as I read it.
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 18 2015 10:47 GMT
#1060
I think Shape is a Rsoultin smurf and I have officially stopped reading her posts.
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 18 2015 11:05 GMT
#1062
On December 18 2015 05:51 Tubesock wrote:
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On December 16 2015 07:51 Sukrit wrote:
Kush is a terrible lynch. I agree with GB's reads so I dont really want to lynch him. At this point it is TT for me.

##unvote

##Vote: Ticktock


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On December 16 2015 13:48 Sukrit wrote:
On December 16 2015 04:18 Koshi wrote:
Onegu.

Let's be honest here.

I read you filter.

It is filled with randomness and koshi accusation.

I see 1 read on TT, and I see some Shape pressure. The Shape thing is not bad, I don't think he is mafia, but the pressure is not horrible.




Anyway. I promise to not go off on you in this game anymore. And I will my VERY BEST to help you solve this game.




The best help I can give you is to stop focusing on me. I am not mafia. You can still push me as much as you want, but I will not reply to it too much, I will just explain myself, but if you want your filter to look good endgame, you really should stop.



Last game I tried to tilt you. And I deserve some of what I got here because of it. This game I am not trolling, I am not trying to make you upset. And I will continue to not troll this game.

I am not ready to drop my scummy read on you. But I am not really interested in lynching you tomorrow either. I prolly should have voted kush I would have rather lost him than GB but meh. Vivax was maybe the best lynch option and was put up way to late.

In the past I have enjoyed playing with you koshi and hope to still enjoy playing with you in the future but comeon.

I am not giving up my shape read. Onegu gut read!


Can you talk about the underline. Why did you oppose the Kush lynch during it, never say anything about not wanting to lynch GB and then say you would have rather lost Kush? Seems like you were there throughout it.

Also, has the gut read changed on Shape?



Will post here. Not my big post.

Kush is never a good day one lynch. Basically you will never figure him out and it is 26% or what ever the percentage is for rolling scum this game what 3/13. I thought GB was town as all of his reads completely matched mine. I had a town read on GB. And if I had to choose between GB still being in the game or kush I would take GB as he is more likely to figure the game out and actually get the scum lynched where kush no offense has the same problem I do. We cant get people lynched even when we figure the game out.

And yes I still really dont like shape. I think he has plenty of free time and typeing walls of text isnt hard for him/her. He is rsoultin I am sure.

Rsoultin=Scum

Shape=Scum
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 18 2015 11:06 GMT
#1063
On December 18 2015 19:53 kushm4sta wrote:
Really not impressed with that exam schedule post. I'm sure it's true but the pressure want even on him. Scummy because he wants to take advantage of an irl excuse to its fullest. He could have just said I have exams.

Onegu no one wants your steam of consciousness. That does not help find scum.



Dont care you are getting it.
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 18 2015 11:09 GMT
#1064
On December 18 2015 19:53 kushm4sta wrote:
Really not impressed with that exam schedule post. I'm sure it's true but the pressure want even on him. Scummy because he wants to take advantage of an irl excuse to its fullest. He could have just said I have exams.

Onegu no one wants your steam of consciousness. That does not help find scum.



This is one hundred percent true. And it isnt the first time he has been defensive for zero reason whatsoever.
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 18 2015 11:19 GMT
#1065
On December 18 2015 20:09 Sukrit wrote:
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On December 18 2015 19:53 kushm4sta wrote:
Really not impressed with that exam schedule post. I'm sure it's true but the pressure want even on him. Scummy because he wants to take advantage of an irl excuse to its fullest. He could have just said I have exams.

Onegu no one wants your steam of consciousness. That does not help find scum.



This is one hundred percent true. And it isnt the first time he has been defensive for zero reason whatsoever.



nevermind it was G word dude not shape who posted the exams
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 18 2015 11:19 GMT
#1066
On December 17 2015 08:01 Koshi wrote:
Thank you for dieing ritoky. It was somewhat obvious.



Hate this post ritoky was not obvious...

On December 17 2015 08:41 Shapelog wrote:
And hey Koshius, What's your opinion on the presents? Should we state if we have one and open it to see what it is? (i don't, but I like the idea.) I feel like if we know what our options are (I.E. if we have a vig for the night?) we could be better off . Through I do not like having a mafia that might have the chance to double shoot (since I am pretty sure the gun works that way for them.) I know Gifts haven't been important/mention. in fact, I forgot about them until I just wrapped my GF's christmas present. I just wonder what we should do with them.



Still multiple posts saying nothing relevant.

On December 17 2015 08:46 kushm4sta wrote:
So that's got to look good for me right? A townie saved me.


Bleh. But it is kush...

On December 17 2015 08:50 Damdred wrote:
Don't say if you have a present or not or mafia can so things etc


Why the fuck is he talking about presents. Are there presents in this game. Or is it 3 am and I am just missing something>?

On December 17 2015 08:53 Shapelog wrote:
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On December 17 2015 08:45 GiygaS wrote:
I mean I was/am on mobile and somehow i misspelled so that damdred turned in to sanders after autocorrect


Oh haha. My Conspiracy theories are working into your phone GiygaS Khan. Soon your pictures and contact information shall be mine!.

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On December 17 2015 08:46 kushm4sta wrote:
So that's got to look good for me right? A townie saved me.


Its made me pause. Looks better for you tbh. Idk brain dead from long day of work and got to reread. I feel like miss a lot of things due to my focusing/tunneling you. I think about in the shower.

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On December 17 2015 08:50 Damdred wrote:
Don't say if you have a present or not or mafia can so things etc


Oh yeah. Derp. I'm a Overthinking dumbass lol.



Agrees it makes kush look better? Really dont like this.

On December 17 2015 09:36 Tubesock wrote:
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On December 17 2015 08:02 Shapelog wrote:
Welp, That happen.


That's funny shit.

I'm going to admit I don't really understand much of your big list post. Why do LS and Damdred have to be on the same team? Why can't they be budding the other? You seem to tie them together but you have Damdred more towny than LS. I feel the opposite. I think LS has added more thought to the game. The only thing Damdred did I think is towny is scum Rels and that's probably just because Rels cased him. Can you more explain your town read on Damdred?

The rest of your associative reads, seems they all preclude that every shitfight 2 players have here are town vs mafia. I read this post and thought you don't think town fights town. That's not true is it?



really townie post. Like this alot.

On December 17 2015 09:36 Shapelog wrote:
Ok I thought about it in the shower. You have/could gain as either side. Let me explain

Scum reasoning: Ritoky is what lead me too you. Rit was a major point in my case against you. So if the case fell apart, so would my scum read on you. I hard tunneled Ritoky which lead to me tunneling you. Why go after Kush if Ritkory thought he was inno. Like almost everything was you and him (or you and GiygaS Khan) as a scum(or mason) team. Plus killing the person who is defending you seems like only a thing i do. You don't seem like someone who takes that kinda of chance. You seem more like a calculated mafia player. But then I thought,
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On December 17 2015 08:46 kushm4sta wrote:
So that's got to look good for me right? A townie saved me.

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On December 17 2015 07:51 kushm4sta wrote:
Everyone is talking about how if I'm scum it means this or if I'm down it means this. That's really not productive. If a vigilante wants to shoot me they will shoot me but until then shut the f*** up about your stupid theories please.

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On December 16 2015 21:10 kushm4sta wrote:
It would be cool if you guys could keep me alive until like friday when I'll have time to do stuff.
I'll try to do some stuff today at lunch as well.

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On December 16 2015 20:53 kushm4sta wrote:
Wow you guys should have lynched me. what gives

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On December 17 2015 02:32 kushm4sta wrote:
Ya I was more helpful dark tournament for sure. I did also do some trolling that game though.

I apologize for my lack of content and i hope to remedy that shortly. Though probably not to the extent you want me to.

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On December 17 2015 02:26 kushm4sta wrote:
Hi tt I will read gigas. Um I said you should have lynched me? Cause then ivwoildnt have to worry about this game anymore 'll


Like all of these posts your trying to get people to pitty you. Maybe you are reserve physiology us to think your town. I mean, why so much self pity? Maybe it's because I am underestimating your mafia game play range. This much self pity in such a short time is weird. I mean, i admit i do it sometime in this game, but it's not back to back like this.

You also tried to move attention onto GiygaS Khan. But this might be genuine.

Town reasoning/why you could be town: Why would you shot Ritkoy if you were mafia. Out of fear of getting lynched instead of him? With the way me and TT was going after him, You could of easilly passed him up in favor of a another shot and Mislynch him today. In fact, once he mislynch you could start Mislynch either me or TT. Makes no sense to waste that opportunity. 6/10 townies dead with three mafia potentiality alive leaves mafia in a great, game winning spot.

But I am not going to go after you right now. Mostly this post gave me hope,
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On December 17 2015 02:32 kushm4sta wrote:
Ya I was more helpful dark tournament for sure. I did also do some trolling that game though.

I apologize for my lack of content and i hope to remedy that shortly. Though probably not to the extent you want me to.

This could maybe explain the self pity. But i srsy doubt it.

Instead for the time being, I going to look at Koshius's scum teams and fully read more of those people and see what i think. I know your one of them, and glancing back this saving is why he place you thereish. I might mention you when i talk about it, but for the most part i going to talk more about Rels/Suknegu/Damred. Idk when i will, might try to dumpster dive into their filters tonight and sleep on it. Or i might get done early and post it around tonight.



These make me really not want to read his posts... Going after all of these connection reads is really weird... Like he focuses on teams not finding one scum at a time. Guess could be newbie mistake. But if you add everything up would still lynch him as newbie mistake doesnt hold too much water.


On December 17 2015 10:02 kushm4sta wrote:
hi shape. Anyone who thinks about the game in the shower is definitely town haha.
It's not self-pity it's just blatant honesty.



So I have been thinking about this game in the shower...


On December 17 2015 12:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Also another reason why you should think I'm Town is because Damdred got a high rate of reading me correctly when he's town.



If LS or Damdred ever flip scum lynch the other for this post 100%


On December 17 2015 18:01 Rels wrote:
Wow this is a big post on me.

You have a lot of narratives and wrong things in your post Shape. Narratives don't make someone scum, and with them you see things wrong. Like for example this post:
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On December 15 2015 18:54 Rels wrote:
On December 15 2015 18:44 Koshi wrote:
On December 15 2015 18:31 Rels wrote:
On December 15 2015 18:23 Koshi wrote:
It's not a lie. It's him thinking you are mafia and seeing things a bit biased and exaggerate a little bit. Also add the content LS gave that was answering to your questions because GaygiS Khan would use those posts as well to type that sentence. All that combined it it not a lie just representing his case a-on you a tiny bit better than it should be.


You should have read what I said about Onegu last game to get him lynched. Same shit. 15 times as worse btw.


Possible townie behavior from Gaygis Khan, but certain not a 100% mafia alignment "lie". Try again.

1 - that's definitely a lie. He didn't say "I feel LS isn't scum and is attacked for nothing, he said "In these 9 hours, LS is pretty on top of things, his content isn't isolated to this list that was requested, and they're pretty relevant to the game. ", which prove he didn't check his accusation; when it's the phase he's apparently "going through filters" and shit.

2 - he's relying on others to make this accusation. In his post he mentionned you:
On December 15 2015 15:35 GiygaS wrote:
Like in addition to the things Koshi already said about him, his question seemed to go towards this weird meta-lynch on LS.

And despite accusing me, he didn't vote before TS did:
On December 15 2015 15:45 Tubesock wrote:
I didn't notice the time change. I think LightningStrike kinda falls into the Chezinu Rule (weird posters get attacked by mafia since they are so easy to lynch). I really didn't like how he came in scummed LS and bailed. Koshi has good points on him too. Plus, maybe he will spew townbows.

##Vote: Rels

On December 15 2015 16:08 GiygaS wrote:
##Vote Rels

Pretty comfortable with this now after looking at filters. Heading to bed now

3 - he said he was going through filters; he had only "null or town reads" before; and after doing it he has only 1 easy scumread and gtfo of the thread.

1) If he said that LS was town and therefore you scum that would actually be scummy. Preflip association etc. But what he said was just something a townie could perceive. I am not saying LS is "on top of things" but LS is playing the game. I can see GaygiS Khan thinking that it is totally unwarranted that you made some shitty meta case representing LS his just finished town game was super fucking amazing and in this game it is utter shit.

Because Rels, THAT WAS THE FUCKING LIE, You representing LS his previous game as something fucking rainbow brilliancy, and then using that game to say this game was shit and therefore he is mafia.

THAT WAS 100 TIMES worse than what Gaygis Khan did.


Or show me rels. Show me how LS his D1 on haunted mafia was SO MUCH BETTER than here. You know, the game in which he had 6 votes midday 1 and the next guy had 2 or something.
I skimmed his filter yesterday. Nothing better than here. Not at all.

And then LS capslock some stuff and he is clear town? And you are Quoting Damdred to push this brilliant LS town read some more?


I am very skeptical.

LOL you motherfucker you didn't even read the filters I linked. Here are the first page of LS in dark tournament:
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On December 01 2015 12:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I had just got home and read and Tfrel tried to snipe me when I was gone even though in the pregame I EVEN TOLD EVERYONE I WAS GOING TO BE GONE TILL NOW -_-
Here the quote for proof:
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On December 01 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:
oh another pre game excuse: I wont be here until like 4 hours after game start due to college class into going out to eat with my parents :o

Anyways Tfrel seems like a scumlean for now for trying to snipe me and tried to case Damdred when Damdred caught tfrel on the fact that I told everyone I wasn't going to be here till now.
Palmar seems town for now he actually being serious although I don't think Shining is really scum yet but he fooled me till later in my last game when he was scum.
I also liking Damdred this game for his responses and actually trying to hunt scum.
I need more time on MD because his play style is so weird my experience playing with him and hosting/cohosting games involving him.
DYH seems townlean he actually tried to comment on stuff that is relevant to the game.
@kush: If you are here what you think of Shining vs Palmar?
@Palmar: Okay if Shining is town then who is mafia and why?
Also some Christmas pictures for Palmar because I know he's a huge sucker for Christmas:
[image loading]

On December 01 2015 12:20 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways Boxer don't claim unless you getting lynched please it's a dumb idea to claim blue unless you getting lynched.

On December 01 2015 12:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Shining since you had cooled off what you got out of your fight with Palmar?

On December 01 2015 12:52 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 01 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote:
It's not the first time you've played with me, nor the first time I've reacted that way. Why is it interesting to you? Do you find it indicative in any way? What do you think of what I said about fidei, or what palmar said about me, or revel about damdred?

I was just trying to see if your thoughts had changed since you cooled off. Anyways I think Palmar is town he did this very similarly how he did when I first played with him in Metal Mini when I was town vs his town. Damdred is town like I said earlier I liked his responses since it's a Damdred thought. James is null atm because he went straight to bed afterwards.
Also Hi Damdred how are you?

On December 01 2015 12:53 LightningStrike wrote:
rolf you kinda ninja'd me there Shining. Fair enough.

On December 01 2015 12:53 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 01 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On December 01 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote:
It's not the first time you've played with me, nor the first time I've reacted that way. Why is it interesting to you? Do you find it indicative in any way? What do you think of what I said about fidei, or what palmar said about me, or revel about damdred?

I find it interesting that you acted that way because A. I'm genuinely concerned for your mental state in Mafia as I know it's a high stress game. B. I do feel that you overreacted a bit with your sudden outburst and I disliked the way you try to use your meta to defend yourself.

So. I just want to know your thoughts. What was the basis behind your Fidei read?

I think that post was towards me not you lol.....

On December 01 2015 12:54 LightningStrike wrote:
He prob asleep atm MD so except him to be around tomorrow morning lol.

On December 01 2015 12:55 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 01 2015 12:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On December 01 2015 12:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 01 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On December 01 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote:
It's not the first time you've played with me, nor the first time I've reacted that way. Why is it interesting to you? Do you find it indicative in any way? What do you think of what I said about fidei, or what palmar said about me, or revel about damdred?

I find it interesting that you acted that way because A. I'm genuinely concerned for your mental state in Mafia as I know it's a high stress game. B. I do feel that you overreacted a bit with your sudden outburst and I disliked the way you try to use your meta to defend yourself.

So. I just want to know your thoughts. What was the basis behind your Fidei read?

I think that post was towards me not you lol.....

it was for Shining xd i'm just ninja'ing him so much

I was referring to original post you quoted lol.

On December 01 2015 13:14 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 01 2015 13:01 The Shining wrote:
On December 01 2015 12:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 01 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On December 01 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote:
It's not the first time you've played with me, nor the first time I've reacted that way. Why is it interesting to you? Do you find it indicative in any way? What do you think of what I said about fidei, or what palmar said about me, or revel about damdred?

I find it interesting that you acted that way because A. I'm genuinely concerned for your mental state in Mafia as I know it's a high stress game. B. I do feel that you overreacted a bit with your sudden outburst and I disliked the way you try to use your meta to defend yourself.

So. I just want to know your thoughts. What was the basis behind your Fidei read?

I think that post was towards me not you lol.....


Yes it was towards md but your answer so quick and natural earns you a town point

Well ops I thought it was towards me because I had asked you a question like a few posts before lol.

On December 01 2015 13:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Well going to bed now as my mom is taking me to school tomorrow morning but I will be on my laptop waiting for class and bring my charger incase battery runs low but when I wake up tomorrow morning I will try and catch up!

On December 01 2015 20:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi I just woke up and I am feeling tired still because I obviously only got like 7 hours of sleep so if I sound tired based on my posts that's why but some people had some comments/questions towards me:
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On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike:
On December 01 2015 12:18 LightningStrike wrote:
DYH seems townlean he actually tried to comment on stuff that is relevant to the game.
Specifically, what comments did he make that were relevant to the game, and why do they make him town?

Damdred: (and PLEASE, no one else answer this, don't be stupid...):
I'm sorry, I know you don't want to talk about this, but it's driving me insane.
Hypothetical scenario 1: Trfel makes a post an hour into a mafia game casting suspicions on Joe for not having posted.
Hypothetical scenario 2: Trfel makes a post an hour into a mafia game casting suspicions on Bob for not having posted. Bob said before the game that he would not be present for the first few hours of the game.

What difference do you see between these two scenarios?



Palmar seems like obvious town. There's one thing I hope to check eventually, though.

I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time.

I still think that Damdred is mafia, but I remembered that the past several times I've played with Damdred (both town) I've always thought he was mafia I'm guessing that I have some preconceived notions for what I expect Damdred to do, and whenever he doesn't behave exactly as I would expect him to, I think he's mafia. And it seems to be very hard for me to separate this from mafia motivations...

Did anyone else find Damdred's townread of The Shining a bit off? Palmar commented on why the third point is invalid, which I completely agree with.

He wasn't really afraid to post his thoughts on the stuff when he was around and I know it's limited content but still when he was around he did try to be involved a little bit. I might be a huge sucker for people.
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On December 01 2015 18:42 Fidei86 wrote:
Morning folks.

So I have two competing thoughts about Shining. The first is that I entirely agree with Palmar about why Shining's play makes no sense. I'd also add that it's even more strange that his 'read' on me seemed almost entirely OMGUS, but then as soon as HTS made a point against me in her thread entry, he adopted it and parroted it as the new reason he didn't like me. The second is that he and Palmar seem very invested in this fight - much more so than seems warranted by the early stage of the game. They have been back and forth, what, five or six times now? Almost to the exclusion of everyone else. The 'better' play as town is plainly to apologise for bad thread entry (which Shining did, admittedly, do) and then to turn attention elsewhere (which neither Palmar or Shining have done). The only thing I have to say in Shining's defence is that his rebuttal's read very heartfelt. That can be something that is hard to replicate as mafia, and it's giving me pause here. I would say Shining is a very slight scum read for me, but I wouldn't vote for him as yet.

Also - morning Rels. Re my read on you - I've watched you play enough games as mafia now to think I have a reasonable handle on your meta. Yes, you are totally capable of breaking your meta, but your "I give no fucks" tone and posting content is town Rels to me.

Lightning Strike's entrance seems way over the top to me, especially for him. Usually he comes in and posts some relatively anodyne 1-liners, whereas here he came in with a big long paragraph attacking someone (Trfel I think) for calling him out earlier. In my experience, town LS is much more relaxed and jokey, until he starts getting attacked seriously (which I don't think had happened by that point). Then again, LS is primo lynch-bait D1, so I'll try and avoid getting too tunnelled for now.

My one heretical thought at the moment is that Dani might be mafia. I know, I know. It's more of a hunch than a real read, but I'm just not feeling it from her posts so far. Town Dani that I've known usually goes in one direction, then another, and she has an almost relentless quality. Too many of her posts last night were backtracking on things she had already said, and it's not clear she reached anything much of a landing point. It could be because it's early and because she's tired though.

Moosy is posting the same kind of rubbish that he posted in our first Newbie game together. In that game he was new and was inadvertently trying some sort of Chezinu--style baits. Which, in fairness, worked. Then when he was mafia and I was town, he was super super serious all game. Obviously if he doesn't contribute further then at some point we will have to lynch him for being useless / lynch all lurkers, but for now I give him a slight town read.

I had posted paragraphs as town before when I wasn't there at the start of the day for a entry post(see slytherin) but about attacking Trfel: it seemed like he wants to try and find a reason to scum read me even though I had said in the pregame that I wouldn't be around till like 4 hours after start of the game. Just a little bit frustrated from that and I glad Damdred called him out on it too.

On December 02 2015 01:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got to college campus and took care of stuff and about Palmar: It's meta read that I have on him because he did similar stuff to me in Metal Mini which you observed and I do find Shining town for now although he did show huge emotions as scum last game but I giving him a benefit of a doubt. Mainly Shining's content seems better ths game than his last game when he was scum vs me.

On December 02 2015 01:15 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 02 2015 00:29 Onegu wrote:
Onegu VT claim.

Be back later

Hi can you comment on anything please?

On December 02 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 02 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:
On December 02 2015 01:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got to college campus and took care of stuff and about Palmar: It's meta read that I have on him because he did similar stuff to me in Metal Mini which you observed and I do find Shining town for now although he did show huge emotions as scum last game but I giving him a benefit of a doubt. Mainly Shining's content seems better ths game than his last game when he was scum vs me.

Any idea on what could be scum ?

I told you earlier that I think Tfrel is scum mainly his stuff about me.....


Number of game-related posts: 8/14

Here are all the posts of LS this game until I asked him for a list post:
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On December 14 2015 08:01 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey guys! Let's lynch some scum and here how we should do it:
Step 1: Find the scum through interactions
Step 2: Lynch the scum
Step 3: ?????
Step 4: Profit.
Any questions or comments?

On December 14 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:
Hi I'm a Miller ls, how do I play this?

Miller's aren't aware......... Are you mafia?

On December 14 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 08:06 Koshi wrote:
##Vote Lightningstrike

brilliant. I actually said the same thing 2 games ago.

Really? I only been back recently and not really obsed the games so(shrugs)

On December 14 2015 08:15 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW the step thing is part of a meme if you guys don't know

On December 14 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Sukrit is a smurf obviously lol....

On December 14 2015 08:29 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 08:20 Damdred wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:
Hi I'm a Miller ls, how do I play this?

Miller's aren't aware......... Are you mafia?


My master plan ruined thanks to you ls. You caught me.

Good. Now can you tell me who else is mafia with you?

On December 14 2015 08:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred is pulling a Palmar on me I had to have a little fun with Damdred there

On December 14 2015 08:40 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:29 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:20 Damdred wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:
Hi I'm a Miller ls, how do I play this?

Miller's aren't aware......... Are you mafia?


My master plan ruined thanks to you ls. You caught me.

Good. Now can you tell me who else is mafia with you?


You obviously!

Though shape is a good chance at town

Damn you sold me out We have to have Shape take all the town cred as possible :o

On December 14 2015 08:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Kosh is so anti fun

On December 14 2015 10:37 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 10:30 Damdred wrote:
Let me tell you why you are totally wrong in how you are approaching koshi.

1) you say that koshi is going to be super lazy and you are content voting him because that's his scum meta.

In actuality you are right about his meta but dead wrong in your interpretation of what koshi said. If you read koshis post he clearly states he's going to focus on building cases and finding mafia. A clearly different thing especially since generally cases take a decent bit of effort which scum koshi lacks.

2) you say my post is terrible because you read koshi on his d1. Though you correct yourself by saying I said 24 hours.

In actuality I a aid we shouldn't bother koshi so that we can see what he comes up with. Since you know he said he would focus on cases and finding scum instead of spamming the thread.

....like I said give koshi space and some time see what he comes up with.

I agree with this for now.

On December 14 2015 11:20 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 11:13 Sukrit wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:12 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 14 2015 09:51 Sukrit wrote:
On December 14 2015 09:48 Damdred wrote:
It's honestly be the most helpful to everyone if you basically ignored koshi for the first 24 and see what kind of smart things he says and then make a decision going into,the lynch. If you keep badgering him about low posting you will just have a horrendous amount of non information.

Tt I think ls is town should I get my head checked?




Man I am finding everything terrible. Koshi is best read by his day one. Like this post is also terrible.


Koshi, Damdred scum team.


You

I like you, FF


I am so much cooler than that shit eater.

You sound like JAT or HF that is pissed lol.

On December 14 2015 11:30 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 11:25 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:23 Shapelog wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:11 Sukrit wrote:
On December 14 2015 10:50 Shapelog wrote:
On December 14 2015 10:30 Damdred wrote:
Let me tell you why you are totally wrong in how you are approaching koshi.

1) you say that koshi is going to be super lazy and you are content voting him because that's his scum meta.

In actuality you are right about his meta but dead wrong in your interpretation of what koshi said. If you read koshis post he clearly states he's going to focus on building cases and finding mafia. A clearly different thing especially since generally cases take a decent bit of effort which scum koshi lacks.

2) you say my post is terrible because you read koshi on his d1. Though you correct yourself by saying I said 24 hours.

In actuality I a aid we shouldn't bother koshi so that we can see what he comes up with. Since you know he said he would focus on cases and finding scum instead of spamming the thread.

....like I said give koshi space and some time see what he comes up with.


Alright lets let the beast sleep at least for today. However, if nothing comes out of it I kinda have to lean scum onto him. I honestly have nothing on him other his meta and that is just off of what I saw/gather from other people and Haunted Mason.

I kinda getting a scummy feel from Sukrit. Although it is early, I was just going through his filter. 4/5 of his game posts is him/her accusing people without any info. I mean these aren't even really leans as it is just "Hey this doesn't fit that guys meta, lynch the witch!" kinda post. All I see is him/she trying to make it look like they are reading people so they can earn town cred and such.


This post is complete shit. I dont expect this from town koshi. Koshi is lazy as scum. This excuse this early is really bad.



Man I am finding everything terrible. Koshi is best read by his day one. Like this post is also terrible.


Koshi, Damdred scum team.


I mean his/her posts follow zero logic what so ever. Their only reasoning is "this post is shit" but don't explain why other then meta? Seems Scummy too me.



What is wrong with meta I may or may not have played multiple games with koshi. Prove that my meta read is wrong then you can talk. And then I will prove that you are wrong.


I wonder if you have a brother who for a nickel with buy me a drink.

I wasn't saying it was wrong, nor was I saying you were right. I just was saying that if you could provide more information other then meta then I can believe you more. You were just saying "This is shit based off meta" which while is ok. Doesn't convince me that he couldn't go against his meta for a game. And the timing I will admit is a bit weird, it really NAI. Who knows maybe he's tired. Honestly, he hasn't posted much and it's still early in the game. I would be concern if he said "I finding detail reads on my scum leads" and a hour before deadline didn't post any reads. Time will tell with Koshi.

I would laugh if Koshi flips Mafia. Maybe then our scums team would combine too LS/Damdred/Koshi possibly at the point?


Sorry, why are you thinking about teams right now?

Ya it's a little to early to talk about teams when no one flipped imo.

On December 14 2015 11:53 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 11:42 Sukrit wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477216-horn-of-africa-mini-mafia?user=Koshi

HolyShit. Look at this filter on page one. Anything look familiar?

Were you in that game in any type of form? That game was kinda funny.
10/10 would tell people to shoot JAT again

On December 14 2015 11:56 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 11:53 Sukrit wrote:
Maybe^

Do you know who the town puppy was?

On December 14 2015 12:00 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 11:57 Shapelog wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:44 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:41 Shapelog wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:36 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:31 Shapelog wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:25 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:23 Shapelog wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:11 Sukrit wrote:
On December 14 2015 10:50 Shapelog wrote:
[quote]

Alright lets let the beast sleep at least for today. However, if nothing comes out of it I kinda have to lean scum onto him. I honestly have nothing on him other his meta and that is just off of what I saw/gather from other people and Haunted Mason.

I kinda getting a scummy feel from Sukrit. Although it is early, I was just going through his filter. 4/5 of his game posts is him/her accusing people without any info. I mean these aren't even really leans as it is just "Hey this doesn't fit that guys meta, lynch the witch!" kinda post. All I see is him/she trying to make it look like they are reading people so they can earn town cred and such.

[quote]

[quote]

I mean his/her posts follow zero logic what so ever. Their only reasoning is "this post is shit" but don't explain why other then meta? Seems Scummy too me.



What is wrong with meta I may or may not have played multiple games with koshi. Prove that my meta read is wrong then you can talk. And then I will prove that you are wrong.


I wonder if you have a brother who for a nickel with buy me a drink.

I wasn't saying it was wrong, nor was I saying you were right. I just was saying that if you could provide more information other then meta then I can believe you more. You were just saying "This is shit based off meta" which while is ok. Doesn't convince me that he couldn't go against his meta for a game. And the timing I will admit is a bit weird, it really NAI. Who knows maybe he's tired. Honestly, he hasn't posted much and it's still early in the game. I would be concern if he said "I finding detail reads on my scum leads" and a hour before deadline didn't post any reads. Time will tell with Koshi.

I would laugh if Koshi flips Mafia. Maybe then our scums team would combine too LS/Damdred/Koshi possibly at the point?


Sorry, why are you thinking about teams right now?


I suggest early that LS/damred/??? could be a team (even though it was far fetch even for me, see #76). That why I would laugh if me and him predicted mafia D1 and just thought it was too far fetch XD. While it's a possibility, I doubt it.

Also thank you for your earlier post btw.


Oh so you're joking about it, then?


Half that and Half I think i throw it out there for later so i won't forget. I tend to overthink things so even if i overthink, i post it and i look back at it and decide if it was garage or worth something.

If i was going accuse this person and this person are mafia, then i would make sure I had more info than a hunch to go off of.


Fair enough.

Let's talk about them, separately

Can you please explain everything you think against them?


Eh most of it is void now but in the moment I thought their conversation was a bit off,

Individually:
Damred: thought was weird to claim miler for obivs reasons.
LS: his reaction to Damred kinda felt planned in my head. Sounded and was timed almost like it was planned

So I thought "hey if i was mafia i could make it sound like a townie v townie and we can get off to a good start." Which now that i retype it and had time to think about it. Doesn't make that much sense until the follow up comments. But honestly seems really overthought.

They said they pulled a palmar on me..... still have no clue what that is

Hi bats. Palmar in XXX said someone wasn't in his naughty list and I asked him if he claimed scum and he said Whoops lol.

On December 14 2015 12:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Ops for a second there when I quoting I thought you were bats Shape lol. Anyways Sukrit what you mean Mafia Claim^?

On December 14 2015 12:24 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 12:19 Sukrit wrote:
I am Palmar and claiming mafia...

Damn bro to easy man. + Show Spoiler +
I know you joking

Do you like Christmas?

On December 14 2015 12:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay you're not Palmar lol.(Had to look what Kwanza is because I never heard of it before)

On December 14 2015 12:27 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 12:25 Shapelog wrote:
On December 14 2015 12:19 Sukrit wrote:
I am Palmar and claiming mafia...


Hey he's MIA... can't i capture it and get a reward? Turn him in for deserting the Royal Forums Army?

No need to man. I will just get Marv to get him lol.

On December 14 2015 12:28 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 12:27 Shapelog wrote:
You never heard of Kwanza? like really?

I am sadden by this.

I never heard of it honestly lol. Prob because my friends and family never did Kwanza at least as far as I know.

On December 14 2015 12:35 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 12:32 Sukrit wrote:
On December 14 2015 12:31 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 14 2015 12:24 Sukrit wrote:
Kwanza


Seven days of holidays???

I think I have a new religion!



But Hanukkah has 8 crazy nights!

But his liver might not handle it :o
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I honestly don't know how much he drinks lol.

On December 14 2015 22:48 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 22:44 Koshi wrote:
Decent amount of posts about Koshi. Was I mafia in Horn of Africa? I don't think so. I can't read filters here.
Anyway.
Voting Kush cuz he won't be off any use it seems.

##unvote
##vote: Kushmasta

You were mafia there and shot by Breshke the hero Vig



Number of game-related posts: 2/22

You thought I was scumreading LS here, when I said I was townreading soon after, so that was a weird change of read. Well that is false; when I made this post I was already townreading LS, and I was replying to this Koshi post:
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On December 15 2015 18:44 Koshi wrote:
Or show me rels. Show me how LS his D1 on haunted mafia was SO MUCH BETTER than here. You know, the game in which he had 6 votes midday 1 and the next guy had 2 or something.

I know, I know how the fuck could you have guessed that ? Maybe the fact that I directly replied to it is a SMALL CLUE ABOUT IT.
Another example, this:
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On December 15 2015 18:59 Rels wrote:
On December 15 2015 18:52 Koshi wrote:
1) Say Gaygis Khan is mafia for quoting and using other people their suspicion to push a read.
2) Quote Damdred and question why ritoky is not taking Damdred his tone read as it came from God himself.
3) ???
4) Hypocrisy everywhere

Damdred has a god read on LS from my experience. Do you think they're scum together ? Or do you think Damdred doesn't have a god read ? Please say it 'cause I don't understand you there.

The only thing I'm saying here is that LS is town. That's all. If Damdred is scum, he wouldn't say his partner is town lik ethat; if Damdred is town, he has a god read on LS.

Your post is mostly stuff like that, stuff getting either misread or misunderstood because you stack everything into a narrative that could make anyone scum. The only things there is against me is that I'm kinda indifferent and I'm not doing much. These are acceptable points.



Dont really mind this but we get a very differnt thing on the damdred LS thing.


On December 17 2015 18:31 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote Rels


Die in a fire. Damdred is mafia with you. But you are way likelier to be mafia. I should read this Damdred pressure on you btw. I missed it. I also missed you calling him mafia like the little omgusucker that you are.




Shape. Please stop mistyping GaygiS Khan his name. He will be mad.
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Reasons?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I think shape is a rsoultin smurf and I have stopped reading her posts...


On December 18 2015 01:42 Koshi wrote:
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On December 18 2015 00:59 Rels wrote:
So Shape nobody really pushed Damdred before I made this post on him ? I have an extremely hard time reading your posts. I had this problem with TT s posts too.
On December 18 2015 00:55 Koshi wrote:
I didn't tunnel Rels the entire game... He has been unimpressive the entire game (xcept 5 mins) and therfore has been on my radar for the entire game.

Shut the fuck up you have been doing exactly that + lied about me OMGUSing Damdred.

You seriously still don't get it?


X says rels is mafia.
rels says x is mafia.

Y says rels is mafia
rels says Y is mafia

Z says rels is mafia
rels says Y is mafia

Koshi said Damdred and Rels could be mafia.
Shape says that Damdred said Rels is mafia adn therefore it is unlikely they are mafia together.
Koshi says that he missed Damdred saying Rels is mafia. Because Koshi can't read filters at work, Koshi also expressed some genuine surprise that he on top of the acussation of Damdred to Rels, Koshi also must have must have missed Rels saying Damdred is mafia, because cases X,Y and Z.


Now it appears that Shape was wrong about Damdred saying Rels is mafia. Which means that Koshi his genuine surprise about the lack of Rels calling Damdred being mafia in this thread was unwarranted.


The first time I wrote the about post I used more letters. But I looked stuff up and added some names.



No fucking clue what koshi is trying to say here. Like I get the omgus making rels scummy part but the rest I have no fucking clue.

On December 18 2015 01:43 Koshi wrote:
God damn.

I meant:


Rels confirmed worst townie in the history of mafia or mafia.



Rels flips town lynch koshi 90% Rels flips mafia koshi ok.

On December 18 2015 01:53 Koshi wrote:
oh yeah. now I remember all that happened.

Still.

Both are mafia.



Koshi proven wrong and still doesnt back off... Could get on the koshi is mafia train. Wait I have been on it for a while.

On December 18 2015 02:39 kushm4sta wrote:
Ok i see where you are coming from koshi. You think he used the caps as an excuse to back away from a shitty case he made. Maybe.



Kush town not lynching 100% ever

On December 18 2015 03:22 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Damdred was wrong on me last game in Dark Tournament but he trusting his tone read still even though he was wrong me there but generally speaking Damdred can read me well.



Says damdred can always read him correct, now says this isnt true. Why volunteer this info?

On December 18 2015 03:21 LightningStrike wrote:
I been here but was extremely tired and starting to get sick with a flu or something :\ Anyways Rels vs Shape seems like Shape comes out top a little bit better. Koshi thinks that both Rels and Damdred could be a team which I highly doubt it honestly because it would be a weird bus.



Bleh wish LS would just make a read. Tired of him not having hard scum reads.

On December 18 2015 06:55 kushm4sta wrote:
lol koshi haven't you played enough mafia yet to realize you are always wrong?



Lol he can be right as long as I am not the target of him.

On December 18 2015 09:20 kushm4sta wrote:
Why are you so sure koshi....
This is omgus but is koshi possible mafia? I really don't want to read his filter,



Yes

On December 18 2015 09:22 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 18 2015 09:20 kushm4sta wrote:
Why are you so sure koshi....
This is omgus but is koshi possible mafia? I really don't want to read his filter,

Koshi is never mafia unless the hosts gave him the wrong pm lol.


No


On December 18 2015 10:03 Koshi wrote:
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On December 18 2015 09:59 Damdred wrote:
The only way I'm scum is if it is with kush and it is the right play to determine his alignment (in koshis world) rather than mine to see if I was saving a partner.

Any other action on your part is idiotic to a degree and people who follow you must be slower than usual this game.

NO. STOP. THAT.

THE CASE ON YOU IS THAT YOU DIDN'T PICK BETWEEN GB OR KUSH.

NOT

THAT

YOU

SAVED

KUSH



Damdred is mafia
Rels is mafia.

I agree Kush is most likey not mafia but I just don't understand why he is this bad.

Onegu is last.


Like I said in N1.


1 can be replaced with TT or Vivax. Depends on time.

Then plz lynch me. I dont have the clout to lynch you. If people didnt know I was onegu still then maybe I could have gotten you lynched. You are scum and you are going to mislynch me and that is fine would prefer if it was today.

Your read on me has going I am 100% scum to I am town and to help you figure the game out back to I am mafia. Your read progression makes zero sense and you have no reason to scum read me other than the fact that I have figured you out.


Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 18 2015 11:21 GMT
#1067
So Koshi is scum. I want to lynch him.

His read on me was scum kill me with fire. To I am Town and I should help him figure out the game, back to I am scum for zero reasons to change his reads.
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 18 2015 11:21 GMT
#1068
##Vote Koshi
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 18 2015 11:22 GMT
#1069
Not trolling^

I am 100% serious. I find scum. Learn this. You should know I find them by now. Lynch koshi he is scum./
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 18 2015 12:57 GMT
#1073
On December 18 2015 21:39 GiygaS wrote:
Can you give more reasoning for wanting to lunch koshi beyond his changed thoughts? His thought process change is completely believable imo based on you two's history/his full on tilt mode yesterday.



How is his thought process believable. He goes from holy shit onegu is scum because of that case kill with fire. To Onegu is town I will do my very best to help figure the game out with him. Back to onegu is scum for the same reason. No reasons changed.
Sukrit
Profile Joined May 2015
136 Posts
December 18 2015 13:11 GMT
#1076
On December 18 2015 22:08 GiygaS wrote:
Tilt is a wonderful/awful thing. Besides that though, is there anything else that points him to being scummy.



Yes and I cant put them into words. And you dont know me so you dont know I figure things out even though I cant write cases. My gut says he is scum. My gut isnt wrong.
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